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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 6 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

    Please remember to confine you dialogue to matters that are pertinent to the topic of immaterialism/disclosure.

    Thank you.
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    Post by 99 Wed May 01, 2019 9:50 am

    But, being the pronoid that I am, I can readily imagine that this show of disavowal is just another piece of the larger show that is developing in real time, right in front of us. ~ dan


    Exactly
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    Post by hobbit Wed May 01, 2019 9:55 am

    [quote="dan"]I’m currently listening to Jurgen Ziewe, in the video posted by V, above.

    He is very good, I will readily admit.

    http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Astral_Travel_and_life_after_death.html






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    Post by hobbit Wed May 01, 2019 10:00 am

    http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Our_Ultimate_Journey_Home.html


    He resonates truth.

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    Post by whoknows Wed May 01, 2019 11:00 am

    Dan wrote:
    In most monotheistic systems, the souls are all created by the one Creator. But once created, each soul remains a separate individual in perpetuity.

    However, most mystical systems within the monotheist traditions, conjecture that individual souls can become one with the Godhead, in some fashion.

    We can not separate our selves from that. It seems a no brainer.

    Dan wrote:I am a unitarian/universalist in the sense that all individual persons not only originate from the one Creator, but also return to that Creator.

    And I am a personalist in the sense of supposing that the Creator is comprised of just one or more persons..... trinitarianism is one such system...... three persons in one substance.

    Still don't get your concept of of being absorbed back in. persons souls and spirits, could it not be that, that is where the true trinitarianism lay?

    I can be only of one spirit, but my soul has always seem like a wonderful gift I don't think the virgin spirit gives so lightly, the plan may be much longer than we can conceive of at this point. What less can one expect from the unfathomable... Infinity is a very long game. I'm very excited.

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    Post by dan Wed May 01, 2019 11:20 am

    wk,

    There is one cosmic soul, with its yin and yang aspects.  

    According to John Wheeler’s one electron theory of the universe, the entire universe is made up of just one electron that has experienced 10^100 ‘reincarnations’.  

    We are 10^10 reincarnations of the Monadic Soul..... same idea.  

    We never were separated from the cosmic Soul, we are just experiencing slightly different sojourns through Creation.

    The world is our cocoon...... all spun out of one thread of silk/silver.  

    Think of this cocoon as a single diamond with 10^10 brilliant facets.... same idea.  

    Every second of your life may be viewed as a microcosm of the cosmic Drama...... it just takes a little patience and practice.  

    But, yes, we are approaching the climax of the Drama. It could come next year...... it could come tomorrow...... it will come at the best possible time for all of us.



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    Post by whoknows Wed May 01, 2019 11:32 am

    I can really grok everything else you've been sayin, but gotta say this concept lacks continuity for me. Though it seem a very popular position for many.

    I don't know that it matters a whole lot if it is true.? Wink
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    Post by dan Wed May 01, 2019 11:41 am

    wk,

    The only way to explain the shining present is with a Shining Presence....... that we are all microcosms of that shining cosmic consciousness.  

    This is not rocket science.  

    We are the multiple personalities of the cosmic Soul, having a multiple personality ‘disorder’.

    With Disclosure, which is happening here and now, we start reintegrating our individual, illusional, ad hoc personalities back into the Christ Consciousness, if you will.  

    Enjoy the show.  

    A lot of folks would prefer Buddha Consciousness, which, actually might be more accurate, in some sense, but Buddha denies the Love-Truth axis, which is just the axis of human history...... minor oversight!  

    Love and Truth are the Alpha and Omega.  Buddha was basically a zero dimensional being.

    With R,A&D, we get a bit more multi dimensional..... no?  

    And, if that’s the case, guess who we have to thank..... and your first two guesses don’t count.  



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    Post by whoknows Wed May 01, 2019 12:06 pm

    Is it really a disorder? Or, as I can't help but think, about something we as yet can't even conceive?

    Sorry, I know I'm being redundant here. It's just that I've been doing one of those, Great Courses, vids called, "Gnosticism: From Nag Hammadi to the Gospel of Judas" It's just really interesting to look back on where a lot of the thought we are having had there origins.

    So with that said it may give you an idea my feelings about continuity are coming from.

    I'm not a religonist but I am into looking at things from many different perspectives old and new.

    Just can get into the idea that this all has been just interesting head trip for what ever you want to call the unknowable / virgin spirit. I mean what was the point to all the aeons and well so much more that has been consider over time seems all rather convoluted or well maybe God was having a break/disorder. LOL how can I even conceive of that.

    Does that mean I can be as crazy as i want to be? Twisted Evil Wait, that means we all are already

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    Post by dan Wed May 01, 2019 12:12 pm

    wk,

    What it means is that you could sit down with God, right now, and work it all out, over a beer.  

    This, wk, is just the definition of personalism...... get used to.... get over it.

    It’s the only thing that will ever make a lick of sense.

    All else is obfuscation.
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    Post by whoknows Wed May 01, 2019 12:18 pm

    I feel I've been at that for, well, since I was 4 year old.

    Thing is I seem to see an evolutionary process towards the monad.

    No one has convinced me that they have completed the journey.

    I gotta go, for now. jocolor
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    Post by dan Wed May 01, 2019 12:24 pm

    I finally realize that Jurgen is just another Buddhist.  

    All the Buddhists keep saying that there is no journey....... everything was always right here, right now.  

    Samsara is just the illusion of the ignorant.

    I call bull shit on that.

    Maybe the Buddhists woke up, but they haven’t smelled the coffee, yet.

    They will...... all in due course......


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed May 01, 2019 1:45 pm

    whoknows wrote:I feel I've been at that for, well, since I was 4 year old.

    Thing is I seem to see an evolutionary process towards the monad.

    No one has convinced me that they have completed the journey.

    I gotta go, for now. jocolor

    Just a quick drop in Dan, ignore me Wink

    There is no journey to complete leaky muppet.

    And no one traveling it.

    IT's right in front of you, but you can't see it.

    Its funny.

    I'm laughing at how blind you are.

    It doesn't matter what you or I see really in the end, not one bit.

    You are one of the most closed muppets I have come across.

    Gnosticism?

    Really?!

    Maybe your ego will never let you pass the gateless gate.

    Bahahahahahahaha

    Step back and look yourself, for once.

    Why are you asking anyone anything?

    They have nothing for you.

    Dan has nothing for anyone.

    I don't either.

    There is no attainment, just stop seeking elsewhere.

    Your rationalizing mind is blocking you.

    You can't even get along with a smelly goat.

    Most of the world s in your boat.

    They think they have to row.

    OK, row for eternity and you will see you won't ever go anywhere.

    Answer me in my Living Your Best Life thread muppet or don't.

    I ignored Dan, maybe you can too, but I highly doubt you will move an inch before you die.

    He is one of the last barriers.

    Just float on by.

    You need to know nothing he babbles about.

    No offense Dan, but you are insane and wk is stupid.

    Can he admit it?!

    I don't think so.

    **MU**

    Here is a last hint leaky muppet...

    Raise the greatest doubt about everything in your life, don't confirm your biases.

    Be skeptical about everything and everyone, even your being.

    Then you might be getting it.

    The great doubt precedes the passage into nothing.

    You will even let Human go.

    Good luck!
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    Post by @awestruckt Wed May 01, 2019 2:04 pm

    "But, yes, we are approaching the climax of the Drama. It could come next year...... it could come tomorrow......"

    Or it could come in 100 years and beyond, would you disagree Dan? These are interesting times, but there are posts on the forum back to 2012 and earlier indicating the imminence of the eschaton. I'm sure folks during WWII made a compelling case for imminence yes?

    You hint at immanence, but I'd really like to here your specific rationale for why now? Global warming? Environmental destruction? The preceding are concerns for sure, but not over a 1-2 year time horizon. So why the 1-2 yrs timeframe mentioned in your recent posts?
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    Post by dan Wed May 01, 2019 2:36 pm

    @Awe,

    Spring is coming, and we have seven billion flowers about to bloom.

    smelly is telling us, almost desperately, that there will be nothing to see here..... please, look the other way, and just keep moving along, folks........

    We are living in a bubble of scientific materialism.  Just as it is very hard to predict when an economic bubble will burst, it is even more difficult to predict when the bubble of scientific materialism is going to burst.  

    There has been the hope that this could all be done in the background, on Facebook, say.......we would just wake up one day, and discover that there were no materialists left.  

    I suppose that is a possibility...... with about zero probability.  

    Who, then, is going to pop the bubble?  

    I can’t see a more likely candidate than our very own Footmann. And I can’t see a more likely venue than out at the Lake. And possibly this could be done in coordination with TTSA, and even with Kiviat, for instance.  

    If I were the PtB, I’d want to keep a step ahead.  

    They just have to decide what to do with chicken little.  I’m rather certain it has already been decided.  

    My very recent and very abrupt disavowal by R&A speaks to a final, last minute, built in hold.  

    My other informant, however, is suggesting that this is just another false summit....... but how many can there be?  

    My xian eschatological colleagues have been expecting the Second Coming to come every day, for the last two thousand years.  These great expectations have been an essential feature of Western Civilization..... and I don’t know that we’re any the worse for keeping on our toes.  

    Would I not be negligent, were I not to read the tea leaves?

    I’m suggesting that we keep our eyes open.  


    1:20.......

    If the world is personal, it will be self contained, and it will have a Metanarrative that will have a dramatic completion.

    The ‘wiring’ of the World does set the stage for a dramatic completion of scientific materialism.

    I think we can all agree on this much.


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    Post by vortimond Wed May 01, 2019 7:43 pm

    Maybe it's a question of necessity. You can't control something abnormal, it's impossible to achieve. The throne must be empty in this age of evil mind control, that's another necessity. You can't have two Gods, male and female, because you would make a choice.
    So this is what we have now.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed May 01, 2019 10:19 pm

    Let’s keep dreaming the best dream together.

    No hard feelings muppets.

    **POOF**
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    Post by dan Wed May 01, 2019 10:38 pm

    smelly,

    The best possible dream will have a natural point of completion.

    It will be personally coherent.  It will be True.  It will cohere to the coherence theory of Truth (CohTT).

    This is just by logical necessity.  

    Even V, who may be crazy in all other ways, seems to agree with this much.

    V is concerned about mind control.  But he should understand that the God of Revelation is also, necessarily, the God of Concealment.  

    The best possible technique for concealment was to create all the appearances of an objective/scientific cosmology.  

    Of course, the Anthropic Principle should be a dead giveaway that there is something very Personal about our supposedly objective world....... something very fishy, if you will.  

    But, hey, that’s just my opinion, sports fans.

    And, let’s face it, the appearance of a scientific cosmology is a fiendishly clever form of mind control, created just for us by the God of Concealment.  The Anthropic Principle, however, demonstrates that she could not completely cover her tracks.  

    Or, as part of the Metanarrative, the AP was a rather significant breadcrumb that she left for the Spirit of Truth.

    Thank you, Ma’am!!  


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    Post by vortimond Wed May 01, 2019 11:15 pm

    I'm crazy sure but that's what kept me alive you know.
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    Post by dan Wed May 01, 2019 11:29 pm

    Ok, V,

    Even a Spirit of Truth can appreciate that video.

    Thank you.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed May 01, 2019 11:41 pm

    dan wrote:smelly,

    The best possible dream will have a natural point of completion.

    It will be personally coherent.  It will be True.  It will cohere to the coherence theory of Truth (CohTT).

    This is just by logical necessity.  

    Even V, who may be crazy in all other ways, seems to agree with this much.

    V is concerned about mind control.  But he should understand that the God of Revelation is also, necessarily, the God of Concealment.  

    The best possible technique for concealment was to create all the appearances of an objective/scientific cosmology.  

    Of course, the Anthropic Principle should be a dead giveaway that there is something very Personal about our supposedly objective world....... something very fishy, if you will.  

    But, hey, that’s just my opinion, sports fans.

    And, let’s face it, the appearance of a scientific cosmology is a fiendishly clever form of mind control, created just for us by the God of Concealment.  The Anthropic Principle, however, demonstrates that she could not completely cover her tracks.  

    Or, as part of the Metanarrative, the AP was a rather significant breadcrumb that she left for the Spirit of Truth.

    Thank you, Ma’am!!  


    (cont.......)

    You have no idea really what’s going on and I won’t argue with you.

    You aren’t seeing what is before your very eyes or you would never speak this way.

    I love you Dan as you are.

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    Post by vortimond Wed May 01, 2019 11:52 pm

    You know Hamlet right. You must be totally insane to survive this and even then there is the possibility of a tragedy. It's like a curse really.
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    Post by dan Thu May 02, 2019 12:17 am

    For every chicken little, there has to be a Hercules/Atlas(shrugged).  

    The biggest obstacle to understanding the H/A phenomenon is understanding how to save the appearance of photosynthesis.  

    Photosynthesis is the biggest crack in the BPWH little cosmic egg shell.  

    However, I have pointed out, back on the old bestpossibleworld website, that sunflowers explain the Sun, in the BPW...... I just haven’t figured out how.

    I’m sure that smelly would love to help me solve the Sunflower problem. There might even be a Nobel Prize in it for you, smelly.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu May 02, 2019 12:21 am

    Let me tell you a secret no mortal understands.

    We all get to sit on the Dharma seat once.

    Then you step down.

    That was the solution.

    No moron can take it away, only drool in submission before the Dharma Seat.

    It was nuthin.

    Let me at em.

    RoooooAAAAARRRRRR
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    Post by dan Thu May 02, 2019 12:39 am

    Let’s face it smelly...... my karma is going to run over your dharma.

    And, no, smelly...... in these Endtimes, I’ve got the dharma seat, and the music is stopped until you help me solve the Sunflower problem, which is akin to the free energy problem.

    IOW, smelly, what makes the sunshine for the folks like us, who don’t believe in H Bombs?


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    Post by vortimond Thu May 02, 2019 12:57 am

    I don't believe the problem with angels and flowers has any solution you know. They are simply cute and funny.

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