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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 4 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

    ............
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:41 pm

    This is a nocturnal emission
    A cosmic wet dream

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:44 pm

    99 wrote:You talk like someone who is consumed with death. 

    I am become death...

    ...The destroyer of worlds

    This is how you become Arjuna and destroy the Cosmos

    Get on board

    If you haven’t felt this, yuh are a muppet in a dualistic fantasyland

    Opie should have laughed

    It’s hilarious

    Yuh have to go ninja on appearances and blow that shit up Wink

    Burn every illusion!!!

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:19 pm

    Life is a dream machine
    Have the best one you can
    There is absolutely nothing
    To worry about truly
    But watch your step
    Around appearances
    Serial killers do appear
    UFOs even appear
    Don’t Panic
    There is no truth
    There is only what
    Appears to be happening
    Nothing is really happening
    You only appear to be happening
    ME won’t accept this
    It does not compute
    No questions left here
    It is utterly completely hopeless
    Apparently
    No one has ever been murdered
    No one has ever murdered
    No one has ever been saved
    No one ever committed suicide
    It all just apparently happens
    This is Wonderland
    It won’t make sense
    If your life makes sense to you
    You are a confused muppet
    We think we can know Oneness
    No one has ever been One
    Ask yourself what being One is like
    You don’t know
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    Post by dan Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:18 pm

    All that smelly has been saying........

    Yes, Virginia, we have no free will.  All of us are going to die for love...... and, yes, happy Valentines Day!!!

    There is not much else to say, but you can bet your bottom dollar that we’re gonna say it, anyway.  Won’t we, smelly?  So why can’t you just let us go ahead and say it, smelly?  smelly is compelled to be the Puritan amongst us.  

    The World is Love’s illusion, even, or especially, when being tortured unto death.  

    Yes, I cannot prove that Joe Taco ever came to Itacarambi.  And I cannot prove that I am alive.  So what?  So everything, I guess.  

    So this is the end and the beginning of our best possible story.  Maybe this is what smelly has been trying to tell us, all along.  He just couldn’t quite spit the words out....... could you, smelly?  

    And the cat is out of the bag.  

    And we are all Jesus freaks.  So what else is new?  

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v9j_j-cUwKc


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    Post by SurfBum Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:15 am



    None of you muppets could ever understand this barking dog Tony Parsons.
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    Post by dan Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:31 am

    Aaron,  

    Yes, it does seem that Toni and Joni are pretty much on the same page.

    And we can look at it this way...... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KUwjNBjqR-c
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    Post by Cuan Scott Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:16 am

    Welcome back Dan,

    Love the 'Joni' track...

    Yes a Happy Valentine's day to all.. Very Happy



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    Post by SurfBum Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:15 am

    Yes, it appears Tony and Joni are humming the same tune.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:13 am

    Yes Dan, The Dream is over...

    What to do?

    It was looking like I had found the true path.

    But nothing is true here Wink

    It’s all just red dust.

    Yes, this could lead someone to suicide, which would mean nothing.

    I don’t think anyone really accepts what Tony P is reflecting.

    But try to resist and fight, you can’t.

    It will all just keep happening.

    You haven’t figured anything out Dan, neither have I.

    It will only appear we could make a difference.

    No one wants to know this, trust me.

    It’s not depressing, it’s just emptiness.

    Total utter emptiness.

    I’m not being too dark to say all thoughts and religions and images have only existed to perpetuate the seeker, to perpetuate thought.

    Consciousness and Awareness itself is the dream.

    We apparently have nothing to fear.

    We aren’t real.

    We can never be real.

    We will never be one.

    There is no now we can ever know.

    This is your life folks and the only one you got, Dreamtime or not.

    We can’t prove anything.

    But Dan as far as speaking, we are vibrating the nothing.

    We are just energy.

    Some have accepted our dream life is all we can know.

    And then some do what I am doing.

    Speaking into the wind.

    I will vibrate this until I die and then I will be gone.

    I will have only appatently lived and experienced this.

    I don’t even know what I’m saying or why.

    It just all seems to be disappearing, as mysteriously as it appeared.

    I will never speak of the ‘mystic’ experience.

    It’s bullshit.

    I am and every thought in my empty head is bullshit.

    Fun stuff facing down your immaterialist.

    At least I had the balls to do it and admit the horrible truth to my self.

    It won’t matter, but I really fucking did it.

    I Shift+Deleted my self, which was just a memory of images from a dream.

    I can’t say I recommend it.

    Play the game.

    Be part of the show.

    Don’t sweat anything and life may be relatively painless for you.

    Life seems cruel from this view.

    Why make these poor muppets with no free will suffer?!

    I can’t blame any one or thing.

    I’ll abide the dream even though I know I can’t ever know.

    There is so much beauty here.

    Concepts, thoughts, words, just utter monkey shit.

    Fuck all this bullshitz and YouTube and non-teachers.

    Phooey.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:38 am

    Whatever happens is only apparently happening.

    You can still have a life.

    Take your hands off things and it just works.

    Like Magick.

    Consider if this is just a mirage and you don’t exist beyond thought, what kind of possibilities that opens up.

    Be fabulously wealthy or a poor bumb.

    Just relax.

    It doesn’t mean anything ultimately.

    UFOs and minds are just a trick.

    There isn’t anything you can learn to make it real.

    You aren’t a soul on a journey.

    Yuh just happen here.

    Yuh can have fun with irrelevance.

    Every clown came to this place and they turned their frown upside down or became a serial killer.

    More useless words.

    “Be the last, be non-ambitious. Ambition means going uphill. Water goes down, it searches for the lowest ground, it wants to be a nonentity. It does not want to declare itself unique, exceptional, extraordinary. It has no ego idea.”

    The music is much more than the words.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:00 pm

    dan wrote:Aaron,  

    Yes, it does seem that Toni and Joni are pretty much on the same page.

    And we can look at it this way...... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KUwjNBjqR-c

    Good one, yes, like Toni and Joni say.

    God, this apparent fucking metanoia, the only word I can use to describe what I feel.

    Transposition or transmutation.

    I never felt like this before.

    It’s like being null.

    You can’t shake it.

    Maybe nothing feels like this, how would I know.

    “...metanoia (greek) means an inward conversion, a radical change of heart through the “turning-about” within the deepest recesses of consciousness.

    Matthew’s Gospel account explains it thus, “Most certainly I tell you, unless you turn, and become as little children, you will in no way enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.” (Matt 18:3)”

    No shit Sherlock, you don’t say, just words, but this verse struck me again very deeply.
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    Post by Cuan Scott Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:20 pm

    Interesting Smelly

    thanks for sharing.

    Perhaps, we are indeed 'on a schedule'
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    Post by dan Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:34 am

    Besides Kevin and the four of us down here, no others in public view are aware of Joe’s alleged excursion to Brazil...... excluding any alleged heads of state.

    Kevin called down here, last night.  Kevin came down on Monday to retrieve Joe, also in a non conventional manner.  The authorities were cooperative.

    The only alleged contact was between Kashmir and Doug by the pool at the motel.  

    Joe’s handler is Kevin.  Doug’s is someone else.  

    We’ll be back on Sunday.  The weather is almost chilly on the island where we’ve been for the past four nights, in a beautiful old hacienda, with sporadic electricity....... made of Brazilian wood and plaster.  

    The only others who might have a clue concerning Joe’s recent excursion might be a very few officers of the LDS church, according to Kevin.  


    4(gmt-1)...........

    On his alleged excursion, Joe allegedly picked up an artifact to be delivered to Bolsonaro. Presumably this artifact came into his possession, despite Joe’s down scale reception.



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    Post by jofo Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:54 am

    all of the seeds have been sown

    who knows what will sprout
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    Post by dan Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:31 am

    jofo,

    I doubt that all have been sown, but alleged show appears to be progressing.

    If there is PoNR, it would appear to have been passed.

    But there is no indication as to what might come next.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:47 pm

    CS there may be an apparent schedule.

    But they belong to consciousness and it’s not our show.

    Consciousness exists as the lense maybe of the eternal eye.

    All anyone says here is only apparently happening.

    Doesn’t really matter at all.

    I’m just here to see it.

    What Dan and team are doing in the show, Aaron and I and cw are doing inside.

    Which is nothing Wink

    God I love how fucking weird the cosmos is and being a lucid dreamer is in a total sham production of consciousness.

    Nothing you have ever read or know is real or true.

    Nothing.

    All are reduced to Zero.

    I don’t care who sees this or not.

    It’s not a fun thing for the ego.

    As a matter of fact, the egos here will do anything to resist what I’m saying Wink

    Even kill me.

    Because every ego is doomed.

    Bahahahahahahahaha
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    Post by jofo Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:44 pm

    nothing comes from nothing

    no-thing is doomed, as no-thing is anything

    of course i know nothing, as there is nothing that can be known, nothing to know, and no me to know it
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:57 pm

    It's an ironic statement to say appearances are doomed, they only existed in time and space, which is an appearance.

    Correct, you do know nothing and there is no one or here to know any thing.

    There is only what is and appears to be for us non-persons appearing as persons.

    We will not ever be one.

    We can't access the now ever.

    There is accepting this intellectually, which is only an acknowledgement, which kicks off the Ouroboros tapeworm to eat your apparent mind.

    I can't make a distinction of heart and mind or spiritual or material.

    Nobody knows or understands any no-thing and there is no beyond.

    Fun.

    And anything or nothing you put into that apparent monkey brain, is shit just for the show.

    Me and the boys have totally dumped it all.

    No more teachers dirty looks.

    Pure ego checked intuition only going forward.

    We are dropping all of history.

    Our programs could just be making us wander like this to play our part in the show.

    Shrug.

    Don't know, I only know what I don't know.

    Straight on.
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    Post by SurfBum Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:06 pm

    Surfs up Dudes!

    Enjoy the Ride.

    There is only what is.

    This is the point of no return, and it turns out it has always been the point of no return.

    This is it
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:47 pm

    Beware collective ego, it is smarter than us individual talking monkeys.

    You think we did all this?!

    I respect it as a force directly interacting with me and know it’s just the empty shell Maya.

    It’s behind all the UFO shit.

    So what Dan and all of them are doing is playing Thoughts game.

    Because we don’t need any help.

    We don’t need free energy.

    We need for ego thought to leave us the fuck alone.

    Maybe the ego is just training wheels until we can kick it all away.

    So you realize this and see you can only remove yourself from its influence by not playing its game.

    Thank you Bodhidharma.

    Thank you for no mind and showing me how to do this.

    I have to forget you and all the masters now, you all understand.

    I have to make my own way now.

    You have to disengage from Thought like coming off a narcotic.

    It’s easier with others supporting you.

    Nothing comes in music and words come from nothing when we invite nothing close.

    Thoughts just bust in.

    Really, fucking fuck thought. Haven’t seen a real thought for ages in this apparent monkey mind.

    I am effortlessly thoughtless.

    I wonder who wrote all those shit words of mine then?

    I spend a lot of time staring into space empty these days.

    It’s fucking wonderful.

    Time seems to slow down when I am thoughtless.

    It only speeds up when Thought tells me I have something to do.

    I don’t have anything to do.

    But somehow my life is going on its own.

    I didn’t wane when Dan left, because I am only talking to the eternal eye and I am constant as the sun.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:28 pm

    Joni is very close to nothing.



    It’s not easy to be pointless in the land of points.

    But I shall be pointless to the utter end!

    Run from any with a point or poop on them and then run away laughing joyfully.
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    Post by dan Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:21 am

    Between zero and one lies a virtual infinity.  

    smelly insists on grabbing the short end of that stick.  

    Many do.  He is welcome to it.  

    The other end is more personal.

    Nothing is impersonal.  smelly is obsessed with that abyss, nonetheless.  He suffers the Rapture of those Depths.  Many do.  This is a free country......: free to all posturers.... poseurs.  

    Just ask why there is something rather than nothing.  

    It is not possible for nothing to exist..... evidently.  

    The least something is interpersonal.  Some would call it love.

    smelly loves to hide his love away...... many do.  

    Others of us come in out of the cold.  

    I may have to come in out of the cold of my skepticism.  

    Some do.  

    Brazil is maybe my last straw.  

    Brazil is personal....... rather so.

    Along with everything else, Lais is personal.

    So, what now my love....... if skepticism is just another posture?

    Is it time to get real?

    Yes, maybe chicken little is real. chicken little must exist, by sheer logic. I may have to take it personally.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:59 am

    “The senses can’t perceive it.
    Thought fails to apprehend it.
    Approach by sacrificing all
    knowing and doing, though,
    and it envelops you.”

    You don’t exist at all Dan, you have no idea or concept for what existence means.

    No words can contain it.

    You think it is your mind that holds the answers, go ahead and look.

    I’ll wait...

    Love is a word, you don’t know or understand it.

    Why is there something rather than nothing?

    A cosmic orgasm.

    It has enveloped me and I’m still here apparently.

    Hmm, I thought for sure nothing wanted to eat me.

    No Dan, many don’t.

    Cowards all.

    Thought is nonsense.

    You are welcome to it.

    There is no personal or impersonal.

    There is nothing material or immaterial.

    There are no persons, never were.

    You think you can face me with words?

    There is nothing to face but an empty reflection.

    What a muppet.

    Always were, always will be.


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    Post by dan Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:09 am

    Yes, I may have to sacrifice my skepticism...... my Cartesian skepticism.  

    After all, skepticism is the last refuge of scoundrels.  

    The ego is smelly’s monster from the abyss...... the Cartesian Cogito.  

    He is hung up on the Cogito.

    Is Joe Taco a figment of our imagination?

    Sgt. Santos Lopes had never heard of a Joe Firmage from Salt Lake...... but supposing there were such a person, whatever happened to his vehicle?

    I don’t know....... e um misterio.

    But I’d be willing to bet that Jair knows.

    Was that my last straw? Maybe.


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