Immaterialism 5

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The first way to give back is kindness and laughter and the first place to start giving back is in your own home and family.

Crazy Wisdom

What reasonable muppet would give themselves to it?

It’s not mania, but it’s manic.

It’s not insane, but pretty crazy.

It would have you strip naked and run through Times Square.

It just doesn’t care about our silly customs.

Dan is certinaly touched by it.

The Gods must be crazy.

There us nothing you can do to find it.

There is no way to grab hold of it.

There is no reasonable path to reach it.

There is no way to get there.

If you could know the way you could get there.

There is no where

There is no way

There is no how

You just have to trip and hit your head spontaneously and unplanned.

If you don't find it you found it

I’m presently looking as Sikhism, a fairly radical spinoff from Hinduism through the Bhakti movement.  It is panentheistic.  

I am looking to see if it contains a cosmology.........

It also borrows from Islam, and is explicitly syncretic.

Sikh cosmology appears a mishmash........ partly cyclical, partly linear, definitely not self contained.

In its devotional aspect, it is highly personal, but its cosmology is highly impersonal. There is only a personal eschatology

Does Babaji do any better........? There is nothing beyond a cosmology of the individual soul.

Without an Eschaton, there can be no contact with history.

The denial of history is striking.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_madness

My namesake Cold Mountain, would laugh hysterically whenever anyone asked him about Zen.

I know why he was laughing, because I laugh with him.

“...neither her face nor hue went untransformed; Her breast heaved; her wild heart grew large with passion. Taller to their eyes, sounding no longer mortal, she prophesied what was inspired from The God breathing near, uttering words not to be ignored.”

—Virgil

I have felt the Gods breathing near me and I have gone into manic fits of love beside them.

Gees, this is a big circle, it’s all blending together in this crazy picture.

I see it now, why all this craziness of mine.

I didn’t even know what was happening.

I didn’t know what any of this crazy wisdom was.

I ran into the middle of Creation and tripped out.

It drove me mad, with light and darkness.

I thought I was going crazy.

But then I was able to go into trances for long peiods and study subjects I had no knowledge of.

It all came to a babe in the woods.

The village idiot here and I accept that role now.

I think I’ve played it rather well

My smelly goat took me to places I could never have gone alone.

Goats are nice companions in the Abyss.

Divine madness, far out.

If you had to pick a way to die, not so bad to be burned at the stake for uttering the sacred words of the gods you overheard.

Creation drove me crazy but with a control, awareness always walks the fine line of insanity.

That’s the only way to see some of it.

The masters train you to walk the high wire and then you are just up on it walking and that’s crazy.

I used to hate heights.

I had so many that helped me.

I feel a great debt.

But there is no one to thank, it was always me there helping my self.

I don’t know nothin about no escatology.

I only know that I babble with divine lunacy.

I’m sure I will be of little help and only frustrate plans.

The gods connected me to Jack and Dan.

Just to have fun it seems.

But I had to take many steps with courage I didn’t think I had.

I fail all the time, but I just get back up. Being courageous must go hand in hand with being stubborn and dumb.

I hope I provided the Golden Ones with the laughs they sought.

They had me chasing them all over Creation.

But I found them here whispering beside me the whole time.

I did not know the door
but when I found the way,
unknowing where I was,
I learned enormous things,
but what I felt I cannot say,
for I remained unknowing,
rising beyond all science.

It was the perfect realm
of holiness and peace.
In deepest solitude
I found the narrow way:
a secret giving such release
that I was stunned and stammering,
rising beyond all science.

I was so far inside,
so dazed and far away
my senses were released
from feelings of my own.
My mind had found a surer way:
a knowledge of unknowing,
rising beyond all science.

And he who does arrive
collapses as in sleep,
for all he knew before
now seems a lowly thing,
and so his knowledge grows so deep
that he remains unknowing,
rising beyond all science.

The higher he ascends
the darker is the wood;
it is the shadowy cloud
that clarified the night,
and so the one who understood
remains always unknowing,
rising beyond all science.

This knowledge by unknowing
is such a soaring force
that scholars argue long
but never leave the ground.
Their knowledge always fails the source:
to understand unknowing,
rising beyond all science.

This knowledge is supreme
crossing a blazing height;
though formal reason tries
it crumbles in the dark,
but one who would control the night
by knowledge of unknowing
will rise beyond all science.

And if you wish to hear:
the highest science leads
to an ecstatic feeling
of the most holy Being;
and from his mercy comes his deed:
to let us stay unknowing,
rising beyond all science

Let us stay unknowing...

From the unknowing.

What is the Supreme Meaning?

Well...

It is the path the way and the bridge to what comes.

It is the image of God.

Each one of us is a process of the way. We are the meaning of life since the Big Bang or expansion.

“The Supreme Meaning is not a meaning and not an absurdity, it is image and force in one, magnificence and force together.”

The Supreme Meaning is real and casts a shadow. The shadow though is nonsense. It lacks force and has no continued existence through itself. But nonsense is the undying sibling of the Supreme Meaning.

It is the beginning and the end.

You can know this transpersonally in a crazy way and personally.

So what are you really about?

Exactly.

We really have little idea.

Much lies hidden in the depths.

The courageous shall bring the hidden into the light of being.

“The old Gods died of temporality, but the Supreme Meaning never dies, it turns into meaning and then into absurdity, and our of the fire and blood of their collision, it rises rejuvenated anew.”

Humans grow like plants, some in shadow and some in light.

The Supreme Meaning is great and small, as wide as the starry heaven and narrow as a vibrating string.

We want to see it’s greatness in us, but turn from the smallness of it.

The spirit of the depths conquered this arrogance in us.

And I had to swallow the small to heal the immortal in me.

I had to drink the bitterest of all draughts.

(It tasted like death.)

All under heaven does not belong to the shadow, lies.

The shadow is nonsense.

But the small and banal is not nonsense.

The everyday plain belongs to the Supreme Meaning.

I tried to hide from my simple life.

But the spirit of the depths caught up with me.

It forced me to drink the bitter drink.

It showed me who I am.

It opened my eyez.

We are all of it mixing hot and cold.

How could we know any of this, if we did not possess all of this.

I no longer resist the spirit of the depths, but now I utter it’s word.

But I needed to prove to my self it was real and I wasn’t just insane.

“But the spirit of the depths stepped up to me and said:

What you speak IS.
The greatness IS.
The intoxication IS.
The undignified, sick, paltry dailiness IS.

It runs in all the streets, lives in all the houses, and rules the day of all humanity. Even the eternal stars are commonplace. It is the great mistress and the one essence of God. One laughs about it, and laughter, too, IS.

Do you believe, man of this time, that laughter is lower than worship? Where is your measure, false measurer? The Sum of life decides in laughter and in worship, not your judgment.”

My heart echoes these authentic words from Carl Jung who plumbed his depth...

“Believe me: it is no teaching and no instruction that I give you. On what basis should I presume to teach you? I give you news of the way of this man, but not of your own way. My path is not your path, therefore I cannot teach you. The way is within us, but not in gods, nor in teachings, nor in laws. Within us is the way, the truth, and the life.

Woe betide those who live by way of examples! Life is not with them. If you live according to an example, you just live the life of that example, but who should live your life if not your self? So live yourselves.

The signposts have fallen, unblazed trails lie before us. Do not be greedy to gobble up the fruits of foreign fields. Do you not know that you yourselves are the fertile acre which bears everything that avails you?

Yet who today knows this? Who knows the way to the eternally fruitful climbs of the soul? You seek this way through mere appearances, you study books and give ear to all kinds of opinion. What good is all that?

There is only one way and that is your way.

You seek the path? I warn you away from my own. It can be the wrong way for you.

May each go his own way.

I will be no savior, no lawgiver, no master teacher unto you. You are no longer little children.

Therefore give people dignity and let each of them stand apart, so that each may find his own fellowship and love it.

Power stands against power, contempt against contempt, love against love. Give human dignity, and trust life will find the best way.

One should not turn people into sheep but sheep into people. The spirit of the depths demands this, who is beyond present and past. Speak and write for those who want to listen and read. It is presumptuous to say a person is sick. Whoever wants to be the leader of the soul leads people like sheep.

No, let them find their own human dignity and ascend or fall on their own, their way.”

And here we all are now together, a merry ship of muppets.

You are Keanu, Trust Keanu.

My OMF days are done.

It was a wild and crazy ride.

Peace and love Dudes!

Be excellent to each other.

Aaron


"keep your nose to the wind, and your eyes on the skyline"
Robert Redford, from Jeremiah Johnson

Aaron wrote:My OMF days are done.

It was a wild and crazy ride.

Peace and love Dudes!

Be excellent to each other.

Bahahahahahaha

10th time's the charm

My continuing issue with Aaron and smelly is that they, with their allegedly fully immanentized/realized personal eschatons, see no need to bother themselves with the rest of us, ‘muppets’.  

And they are perfectly justified in holding that view.  

But they go another step...... they insist that no one else should bother, either.  

They have been blinded by their personal eschatons.  

In contrast, chicken little is about evangelizing the imminent Eschaton.  I run about, remonstrating that the sky is falling.  

I claim an historical justification.  They, on the other hand, from within their personal eschatological bubbles, feel free to deny history.  

I would point out to them, that their bubbles must not feel secure, if their personal worlds are so threatened by one little blogger.  

Although they would never admit it, perhaps not even to themselves, but it may be my association with Footmann that is upsetting their bubbles.  

That association carries with it the potential for a more general disturbance.  

But here is where my understanding breaks down.  

Now, Aaron I can sort of understand.  Beyond his presence here, he lives in a very insulated culture....... very insulated from seeing the world in any other than Mormon terms.  

Mormons hold a fundamentalist eschatology...... don’t worry your little heads about the Eschaton. That is God’s business.

Despite Aaron’s presence here, he has had little or no exposure to any secular eschatology. He honestly cannot fathom my concerns about those matters.



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Not true Dan.

Like Doug said, I’ll be keeping my nose to the wind and my eyes to the skyline.

Like The Princess advised, I will be floating away but will be keeping my eyes and heart open.

And like Smelly shared with me in this video, I have an obligation to pay it forward.



I trust I will cross paths with those in need of a good dose of Now Pow!

And quite honestly Dan, from the way you be talkin’, sounds like you could use a little dose of Now Pow too.

Not true........ says Aaron.  

When Eric feigns disdain for any cataclysm, I understand it as a part of his posturing.  

With you, however......... there seemed to be more innocence.   You sound very much like every evangelical I have known........... what, me worry?!  Not my job....... not my concern..... God will protect me.

Most secular minded folks, however, keep current with socio-economic concerns...... amongst which various eschatological scenarios..... you name them, figure prominently.

Eric/smelly is considerably older than you, with much more exposure to secular thought.  

As you may have noted, I love to pigeonhole things...... as an aid to maintaining brevity of discourse.  

Just for the nonce, then, allow me to place Eric in the New Age pigeonhole........

New Agers....... go with the flow.  It is a mindset very similar to that of evangelicals...... just with fewer constraints.  

I mean, really, sports fans, how many march to the ‘golly, I might be God’ drumbeat? I’d wager that we are a rather small army....... platoon?

We could say that Eric and Aaron’s concern is actually for my mental health........ gee, Dan, why don’t you take a mental health break.

In fact, another excursion is in the works...... having to do with walls. I hope I don’t run into too many ooga magoogs.



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Afraid are you?

See through you we can.



Fear is the path to the dark side young padawan Dan.


If you want the world to be transformed by love you must have no fear.

If you want to help others you must first ask yourself why.

Only when you yourself are at peace and happy yourself will you finally be able to truly help others find peace and happiness.

Only when you yourself are at peace and have no more fears will the MoAPS make any difference.

Adieu

Golly, Aaron, what are you saying......?

If I got brave the MoAPS would come?

That’s a frightening thought, Aaron.

If I actually believed that, I’d be scared to death. As it is, hey I just go with the flow.



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dan would love you to expand on the "ooga magoos"

inquiring minds want to know

We are here so we care.

We showed up.

We share our unknowing.

We don’t deny history.

We realized history.

Here.

Now.

We claim no god or specific path.

We use what comes to us.

We follow the self that leads us.

Doesn’t sound like we arguing with anyone.

Someone can share the eschatological opinion.

We share our personal authentic experience with reality.

All can do the same.

If someone doesn’t like our experience, they don’t like themselves.

When I say we, I mean ME.

All the love in the universe is focused right here and right now.

Maybe let love flow.

Relax and have some fun.

Dance with us or not.

The Crazy Wisdom is like lightening and thunder.

Can’t you see and hear it?

Doug,

Ooga magoogs............

Well, that’s how I first heard it, from the Princess.  

It was actually yjuj majuj.......... Gog Magog.

So, we have three walls........ donny’s wall...... iron, copper and concrete. The wall of Revelation......

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

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Bwahahahaha



Smile Dudes, you’re on candid camera.

Dan likes to put out cheese.

You know by the funny way Dan talks he hasn’t unlearned himself.

His friends don’t talk about life with him, they distract each other with appearances.

They obviously don’t know who they are.

But the world is full of ignorant muppets, I meet ignorant muppets.

No surprises on a ufo board salted with villains and heros.

Aaron will do what’s best with him, I’m sure.

We know that we don’t know and that’s enough.

Dan can’t admit it...yet.

So what.

We are just here as mirrors.

What are you reflecting?

Fear or peace?

“Allowing nature to
manifest is the way
of the Way. By setting
aside our ambitions
and leaving the Way
to the Way, we perfect
the Way.”

If you aren’t smiling and laughing you are losing this game.

Hope you are all doing well and have your fears checked.

But if yuh are just an angry scared loser muppet not flowing, rejoice!

Embrace your fate loser!

You have to be always losing before you can be always winning.

And we all win after we lose our shit.

Relax and let go.

Just do it now.

I’m talking to my self of course.

Yes, and then there is the third wall.....

A recently discovered, prehistoric wall.

I suspect Doug knows more about it than I do.

But, hey, I’m still on my furlough.


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