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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 4 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

    ............
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    Truth is marching on
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    Post by painterdoug Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:25 am

    sweet!
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    Post by SurfBum Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:28 am

    My Mormon friends do have a sweet choir, I'll give em that.

    Very Happy

    Still I do like Tiny Tim the best of all

    Wink



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:34 am

    Breathe in

    Breathe out

    Ahhhhhhhh

    Repeat

    Bash your head with a stick as needed.

    Eventually you will realize it.

    You know when you know you know.

    Happy bashing muppets.


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    Post by SurfBum Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:39 am

    Look for the bare necessities


    Don't worry be happy


    Very Happy
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:51 am

    Matraiya, and true for all saviors, was invented by disciples.

    If one realizes things, saviors are clearly seen to be the illusions they are.

    One can only master and save themselves.

    That’s the first lesson in the Be the Savior correspondence course.
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    Post by SurfBum Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:05 am

    You can travel back and forth between Alpha and Omega and every stop in between as you feel best suits your preference.
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    Post by dan Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:08 am

    Ok, smelly,

    Who invented Jesus?  

    Was it the disciples....... and/or was it God?  

    How could we possibly tell the difference?

    Who invented chicken little?

    Was it the CIA ...... or did chicken little invent the CIA?

    How could we possibly tell the difference?



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    Post by hobbit Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:21 am

    Romans invented jesus STORY.

    http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/blog

    The victors write history.



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    Post by SurfBum Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:25 am

    Bwahahahaha

    You guys are talking about the difference between the circumfrance of the wheel and the center of the wheel...

    Have fun with that...

    There is no real difference, the difference is imaginary.

    imaginary is a part of the real but not all of it.....or is it?
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    Post by SurfBum Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:32 am

    Both Dan and Smelly are right.

    The difference is their point of reference only.

    The point of reference can be moved when you have a black hole and a time machine.

    Some rare black holes are aimless wanderers.

    In recent news....

    https://www.space.com/43024-rare-black-hole-in-milky-way.html
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:38 pm

    I cannot provide details, its fuzzy grey.

    When you know, you know.

    There is no more doubt when there is no more fear, just laughter.

    There is no grasping for power.

    There is accepting things as they are.

    This is realization and its unique for all how they happen to it.

    But once they have, we do not have words to describe what we can clearly see.

    We can try, but they are half truths.

    When we allow the will of the transpersonal to come forth as our true will, what you need is here.

    I have transmitted this to a few, as it was transmitted to me.

    I am tied to the Babaji line if it matters, it doesn't really.

    That is the way of the Shaman Trickster.

    Please consider, but you wont understand and I can't explain.

    ...

    "Most of us are familiar with the prototypical clowns: red-nosed clowns, court jesters, and Tarot fools. But sacred clowns take clowning to a whole other level. The Ne’wekwe “mud-eaters” were the Zuni equivalent of a sacred clown. The Cherokee had sacred clowns known as Boogers who performed “Booger dances” around a community fire.

    In Tibetan Buddhism it’s referred to as Crazy Wisdom, which the Guru adopts in order to shock their students out of fixed cultural and psychological patterns. But perhaps the most popular type of sacred clown is the Lakota equivalent of Heyoka, a contrary thunder shaman who taught through backwards humor.

    Almost all types of sacred clowns combine trickster spirit with shamanic wisdom to create a kind of sacred tomfoolery that keeps the zeitgeist in check. Their methods are unconventional and typically antithetical to the status quo, but extremely effective. They indirectly re-enforce societal customs by directly enforcing their own powerful sense of humor into the social dynamic. They show by bad example how not to behave.

    The main function of a sacred clown is to deflate the ego of power by reminding those in power of their own fallibility, while also reminding those who are not in power that power has the potential to corrupt if not balanced with other forces, namely with humor. But sacred clowns don’t out-rightly derive things. They’re not comedians, per se, though they can be. They are more like tricksters, poking holes in things that people take too seriously.

    Through acts of satire and showy displays of blasphemy, sacred clowns create a cultural dissonance born from their Crazy Wisdom, from which anxiety is free to collapse on itself into laughter. Sacred seriousness becomes sacred anxiety which then becomes sacred laughter. But without the courageous satire of the sacred clown, there would only ever be the overly-serious, prescribed state of cultural conditioning.

    Lest we write our lives off to such stagnated states, we must become something that has the power to perpetually overcome itself. The sacred clown has this power. Christ was a sacred clown, mocking the orthodoxy. Buddha was a sacred clown, mocking ego attachment. Even Gandhi was a sacred clown, mocking money and power.

    Like Thomas Merton wrote, “In a world of tension and breakdown, it is necessary for there to be those who seek to integrate their inner lives not by avoiding anguish and running away from problems, but by facing them in their naked reality and in their ordinariness.” Sacred clowns are the epitome of such integration.

    Heyokas, for example, remind their people that Wakan tanka, the great mystery, is beyond good and evil; that its primordial nature doesn’t correspond to human platitudes of right and wrong. Heyokas act as mirrors, reflecting the mysterious dualities of the cosmos back onto their people. They walk the Red Road, following in the bloody footprints left behind by their Heyoka fore-brothers.

    They go forward, to that place where emptiness is full, and fullness empty. “As a representative of Thunderbird and Trickster,” writes Steve Mizrach, “the heyoka reminds his people that the primordial energy of nature is beyond good and evil. It doesn’t correspond to human categories of right and wrong.

    It doesn’t always follow our preconceptions of what is expected and proper. It doesn’t really care about our human woes and concerns. Like electricity, it can be deadly dangerous, or harnessed for great uses. If we’re too narrow or parochial in trying to understand it, it will zap us in the middle of the night.”

    Sacred clowns are adept at uniting joy with pain, acting on the higher and more inscrutable imperatives of the Great Mystery. They tend to govern transition, introduce paradox, blur boundaries, and mix the sacred with the profane. They are called upon to reestablish the bridge between the physical and spiritual worlds. They dare to ask the questions that nobody wants answers to.

    They are the uncontrollable avatars of the Trickster archetype, constant reminders of the contingency and arbitrariness of the social order, poking holes in anything taken too seriously, especially anything assuming the guise of power. They are a conduit to forces that defy comprehension, and by their absurd, backwards behavior, they are merely showing the ironic, mysterious dualities that exist within the universe itself.

    Sacred clowns understand that humans fail, and failing means that sometimes we need to change. They remind us that the goal is not to stick to the same old path, but to embrace the vicissitudes of life and to discover new paths and the courage it takes to adapt and overcome.

    Taking the universe into deep consideration, letting it be, and then letting it go, is far superior to clinging to a “belief” and becoming stuck in a particular view. Sacred clowns realize that the highest wisdom lies in this type of counter-intuitive detachment, in accepting that nothing remains the same, and then being proactive about what it means to change.

    Most importantly, they teach us that there is no such thing as an enlightened master. We’re all spiritually dumb. The closest we can ever get to being “enlightened” is simply to understand that we are naïve to it, and then to laugh about it together as a community. Sacred clowns have the ability to plant this seed of sacred humor. They are constantly in the throes of metanoia, disturbing the undisturbed, comforting the uncomfortable and freeing the unfree. They remind us, as Rumi did, that “the ego is merely a veil between humans and God.”"

    The Gods initiated me as a Thunder Shaman.

    Delusions of granduer you say, nope, the real fucking deal.
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    Post by SurfBum Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:52 pm

    clown



    "This town needs a better class of criminal...
    Tell your men they work for me now."
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    Haha!

    There are no enlightened masters.

    The sacred clown abides.
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    Post by SurfBum Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:25 pm

    All philosophies are mental fabrications. There has never been a single doctrine by which one could enter the true essence of things.
    -Nagarjuna
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    Post by SurfBum Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:14 pm

    There is nothing but an illusory dance with the Tao

    Wheeeeeee

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    Post by 99 Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:28 pm

    You guys need to snap out of the world you're living in and stock up on canned goods right now. Trump reopened the gov't for 3 wks... but, this said, it's is a good time to stock up on food. Canned goods. Seriously. Forget about your continuing efforts to draw in neo-nazis, ultra conservatives, satanists and the militia into this forum .... there are more important matters that need to be addressed right now and a big one is survival for yourself and your family.
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    Post by SurfBum Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:42 pm

    Thanks 99....

    I personally have no reason to be concerned.

    I kind of like the idea of government shutdown and I'm not so sure it will really cause as many problems as you might think.

    Do what you feel you need to do to feel comfortable.

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    Post by 99 Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:05 pm

    lol... you crack me up...
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    Post by Foot Mann Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:56 pm

    Good to see you back on the blog, 99.
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    Post by SurfBum Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:14 pm

    Do you need a broom to sweep up the pieces?
    Laughing
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:07 pm

    “The moment you start seeing life as non-serious, a playfulness, all the burden on your heart disappears. All the fear of death, of life, of love - everything disappears. One starts living with a very light weight or almost no weight. So weightless one becomes, one can fly in the open sky.

    Zen's greatest contribution is to give you an alternative to the serious man. The serious man has made the world, the serious man has made all the religions. He has created all the philosophies, all the cultures, all the moralities; everything that exists around you is a creation of the serious man. Zen has dropped out of the serious world. It has created a world of its own which is very playful, full of laughter, where even great masters behave like children.”

    —OSHO

    You serious and or angry and or scared muppets, just relax already.

    Nobody has your back always.

    Lucky muppets.

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    Post by dan Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:02 pm

    smelly,

    RSSB/Bābājī.........?  Yes, you have moved on.
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    Post by student Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:01 am

    dan wrote:
    The furlough is to end by mid week.


    Was this a prediction of the shutdown ending?
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    Post by dan Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:50 am

    My furlough has been associated with the shutdown.  

    IOW, the shutdown, became part of the end game....... having to do with three walls, qv.  

    I find that smelly’s very recent explicit flirtation with personalism may also be portentous and, even discomfiting.

    It reminds us that impersonalism is only ever a personal abstraction.  

    Speaking of which, I need to readdress the subjective aspect of mathematics, perhaps starting with the Riemann Hypothesis.  

    And also the personal aspect of the prophetic tradition....... and the non prophetic aspect of the mystical tradition.  

    Mystics struggle for the impersonal almost the way mathematicians struggle to prove the Riemann Hypothesis....... the way chicken little struggles for a proof of personalism.  

    To what degree are personalism and prophecy interdependent?  Does one imply the other?

    I would suggest that prophecy implies the small world hypothesis, which, in its turn, implies personalism.  

    Folks need to understand that the SWH entails finitude in both space and time.  

    Infinitude lies on the axis of love, which also entails our fear of God.  

    The degree to which wisdom/genius is crucial to all aspects of knowledge...... well..... thunder perfect mind...... speaking of fear......

    Is there an emptiness at the core of the cosmic Self, or is it an abyss of.......?

    Shakespeare had a close encounter with the abyssal universalism of the Logos, and the world is still shaking...... to that cadence..... resonating..... actually.  

    If you don’t understand this, then understand from whence came the troubadours....... from which resonating abyss?

    Fear the abyss.  smelly tries to whistle past the Abyss.  

    How many abysses are there?  I ask you.  

    And what’s the frequency, Kenneth?  Oh, about six thousand years..... give or take a Millennium.  


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    Post by SurfBum Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:36 am

    I spoke to Babaji last night

    He said watch the way the thunder ripples

    Shrug

    Not sure what it means

    The Green Man is connected to Babaji

    I made a green Jade necklace that I call my Green Man necklace and I have been wearing it for a few months now

    I noticed that the days I wear it I can’t stop laughing at most of the posts in here.

    You have to really lose your mind to see what the green man sees.

    Bwahahahaha!
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