Immaterialism 4

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Aaron wrote:If there is a universal system that enables creation then it follows that there is a creator.

What would be the point of a system that allows creation without actually having any creations?

Where there is a creation there is a creator.

There is no super brainy creator, just a system that enables the vast complexity of creation.

Those who deem their is a creator are ducking the responsibility of been co creators, and also ducking the responsibility of trying to puzzle out this complexity.

I find it is super simple.

If there were a creator and I met he/she/it I would sure have a few questions about what is going on right now on this planet presently.

can't You hear the millions of animals been slaughtered right now, the oceans been emptied of fish, the oil been exploded , children been blown to pieces by war crazy skum.

And lots of this done in Jesus name.


Consciousness permeates universe and enable the vast complexity of creation to compress into 3D , no thing exists except as geometric compressions of consciousness


Most of the living entities that occupy this planet simply exist within this systems methods, all except humans, it is ignorance of the system that is why this is occurring, and I for one intend to expose the system, and enable humans to operate at one with it, an implosion based technology against the present explosion.


hobbit

Viktor Schauburger.

One of My most admired human beings

http://www.feandft.com/implosion-technology/.

Nature operates via implosion, it implodes consciousness into becoming matter/mass.
Transmutations of this become the planet, which is alive, and been raped by ignorance led humans.

It is not knowingly been done, it is via ignorance.

hobbit

hobbit wrote:

Aaron wrote:If there is a universal system that enables creation then it follows that there is a creator.

What would be the point of a system that allows creation without actually having any creations?

Where there is a creation there is a creator.

There is no super brainy creator, just a system that enables the vast complexity of creation.

Those who deem their is a creator are ducking the responsibility of been co creators, and also ducking the responsibility of trying to puzzle out this complexity.

I find it is super simple.

If there were a creator and I met he/she/it I would sure have a few questions about what is going on right now on this planet presently.

can't You hear the millions of animals been slaughtered right now, the oceans been emptied of fish, the oil been exploded , children been blown to pieces by war crazy skum.

And lots of this done in Jesus name.


Consciousness permeates universe and enable the vast complexity of creation to compress into 3D , no thing exists except as geometric compressions of consciousness


Most of the living entities that occupy this planet simply exist within this systems methods, all except humans, it is ignorance of the system that is why this is occurring, and I for one intend to expose the system, and enable humans to operate at one with it, an implosion based technology against the present explosion.


hobbit

Right on my hairy footed friend!

Tech though is just a tool, we have always had our handy crafts.

The problem is idolatry, and its really an opportunity, not a problem.

We don't have any problems.

When the images are disconnected from their symbolic meanings, you get these dark ages.

We are smack dab in the middle of most of the world asleep practicing various modes of idolatry.

Layers and layers of systemic idolatry.

So what you mention hobbit is about reconnecting us to those meanings.

This is why Dan should be embracing us, we are seeing the same thing in different ways.

But he is a muppet and you know how dualistic muppets are.

There are such things as mystics and muppets and mystic muppets and muppet mystics, but they are just different modes of the same appearing.

Why we can't all agree on the basics is because of some ego games.

Hobbit and smelly,

No, problem.....

God is here, finally, ask away........ better late than never.......

I’m here to show folks how to play the God game.  

We’re all going to play this game, because we’re all co-Creators.

Let’s get at it.........

Despite all the protestation...... both muppets and mystics may play.... the more the merrier.



(cont.......)

The concept of cocreators is easy to confuse.

The illusions are very convincing.

If there were more than one creator then there would be more than one creation....

Could there be more than one best possible world?

There can be only one best possible.

See, Aaron is already off and running..... playing the God game......

Let’s watch.......

All that the rest of us have to do is to allow for the possibility of mind over matter.

Why matter appears so recalcitrant to our attempts to reshape it is because we have already spent an eternity shaping it...... that’s been our job, all along, as co-Creators.


(cont.......)

I am confused until I am not.



There is no subject object.

The play is the play.

Words and concepts are an abstration to what is.

You are doing great, Aaron....... just don’t grip the wheel too tightly, like smelly keeps saying.

Yes, it’s all about Lila ...... wiki.......

Brahman is full of all perfections. And to say that Brahman has some purpose in creating the world will mean that it wants to attain through the process of creation something which it has not. And that is impossible. Hence, there can be no purpose of Brahman in creating the world. The world is a mere spontaneous creation of Brahman. It is a Lila, or sport, of Brahman. It is created out of Bliss, by Bliss and for Bliss. Lila indicates a spontaneous sportive activity of Brahman as distinguished from a self-conscious volitional effort. The concept of Lila signifies freedom as distinguished from necessity.

(cont.......)

It's a small world after all.

What I see is what I get.

Alone with the alone.

Riding the train all the way home.

dan wrote:Hobbit and smelly,

No, problem.....

God is here, finally, ask away........ better late than never.......

I’m here to show folks how to play the God game.  

We’re all going to play this game, because we’re all co-Creators.

Let’s get at it.........

Despite all the protestation...... both muppets and mystics may play.... the more the merrier.  



(cont.......)

You know nothing 'God Dan' I have not nor would I need to ask anyone but my self

I think you and I and hobbit agree here if we aren't being asses.

I been playing God since I came to OMF.

My version is mine, Dan's is his.

I have no questions.

But thanks for the offer.

If you see my avatar, it is something like that.

I like that wiki snippet you shared Dan.

You're not as dumb as you look.


Smellys avatar is the cutest baphomet I have ever seen.

Understanding that every alleged atom is actually a microcosm.......

You can’t understand an atom without understanding the world, and vice versa.....

Every atom, every memory has infinite dimensions and entanglement.


Uh, oh, smelly is claiming priority over chicken little........

Well, your lawyer will have to talk to my lawyer.....

My lawyer is Kashmir.  She takes no prisoners.  

Yes, very cute....... has smelly been potty trained? Will we miss old potty mouth.  

But it looks like his avatar is smoking a joint.  Maybe that’s been smelly’s problem....... not smoking enough...... just relax, smelly, it’ll be ok.  

So what do we have to keep us busy, besides counting the flowers on the wall of Creation?  I’m thinking....... I’m thinking.......

Think of all the times we have averred that, if we were in charge, we would have done thus and so........

These are usually idle speculations........ until suddenly they get serious.  

The main caveat, in all these speculations, is the optimum day for D-day...... for Revelation, etc.... etc......

I’m guessing that it’s right about now.  donny seems to agree, but we’re not so sure about mike.  

Think of all the wrongs we have to right.  This should take until the cows come home.  

And speaking of cows, was does Hobbit think we should do with all the cows.   Is it ok if we still eat one or two, once in awhile, as a ritual sacrifice?  We’ll have to take that under advisement.  The cow in question will have to volunteer, of course. It can be in the contract.

Me.......?  Hey, I love ice cream.  I love contented cows.  It’s so...... bucolic.   What say you, Hobbit...... remember, now, this is the best possible world that we are envisioning.  

And I’m thinking that maybe we can do away with Heaven..... altogether.  It will become otiose.  

Who wants to spend eternity in a choir of angels.  I think that the angels should unionize.  I bet they aren’t even paid minimum.  



(cont.......)

Dan telling Smelly to relax...

Hahaha

Very funny coming from Mr. missions...



Just playing, enjoy your missions!

I don't care who has missions really...

Aaron,

Who..... me..... do I look like a missionary?

We’re just playing the game of co-Creation.  

But just to show off, if that is still permissible.......

This game was invented by John Rawls...... justice from behind the veil....... from the original position....... maybe from the point of the Source...... as if the Source had a point of view.  

This is why we need to consider the personhood of the Source, I do believe, Hobbit.  

Ok, cows may have points of view, too....... and this is why we have folks like Temple Grandin. Is that good with you, Hobbit?


(cont.......)

I am just a weather guy commenting on the weather.

Winter storm here at the lake today.

Just bow down to me Dan and we can settle all this confusion of yours

Bahahaha

Dan wrote:Understanding that every alleged atom is actually a microcosm.......

Agree there, duh

You believe this muppet God Dan telling me to relax?!

Bahahahahahahaha

I am the most relaxed mofo in these here parts Dan

Try to stop judging, no more judging orn name calling, just go with the flow as it comes even if you don't like or agree with it Dan

You will find more friends too.

It does all work out in the wash.

You might actually learn something Dan.

Aaron,

Ok, there’s a question........

What should we do about the weather, besides talk about it?  

What should we do about climate change, for instance?  

The Princess doesn’t believe in climate change...... and I tell her that I don’t believe in climate.  


smelly,

Very sorry, buddy, but I’ve got seniority here.......

Witnesses......?


(cont......)

But Dan, you actually don't have priority and your trouble stems from trying to assert such.

If you are really going with the flow, you can't cheat, it doesn't matter who shows up or what they say.

I'd listen to all, there are patterns.

I only post spontaneous news from the monad, so if you argue with it, you are just arguing with your self.

Perhaps I should have some 1:1 Zen sessions with you, never too late to chill the fuck out partner

...

Someone PMed me on OMF to help deliver me from my Demons.

I said I was happy with them, thanks, let me know if you want to meet yours I offered

We are dealing with muppets who are as children in this world of symbols.

Very literal, no imagination outside of what they read or are told.

It takes practice.

The smelly goat is here to help any learn to travel the underwold, but you won’t come back the same.

dan wrote:Aaron,

Ok, there’s a question........

What should we do about the weather, besides talk about it?  

What should we do about climate change, for instance?  

The Princess doesn’t believe in climate change...... and I tell her that I don’t believe in climate.

What to do about the weather?

Start by paying attention to it and go from there...

After I have the hard part figured out, the rest is a breeze.

smelly wrote:
Someone PMed me on OMF to help deliver me from my Demons.

I said I was happy with them, thanks, let me know if you want to meet yours I offered

Bwahahaha

Sometimes the worst demons are the ones who think they need to help others who dont need any help.

Seniority is dumb

You are allowed to think you have seniority....that's just good entertainment to watch...

I just realized that smelly has three more kudos than I, and I’ve been on a lot longer.  

I guess I’ll have to do something about that.  I don’t think that’s fair.

But I bet that my Princess could beat up your Princess. It’s not always what you know........



Aaron,

What’s the hard part about the weather?



(cont.......)

Is that a trick question?

Feels like it is.

Hindsight is 20/20

Hindsight is easy peasy

I have more kudos because I’m much...

Smarter
Funnier
Mystical
Prettier
Happier

And more senior than you Dan

Bahahaha

My princess doesn’t fight and I’m going to reach out to your princess.

We are going to talk about you Dan behind your back.

I wonder what she will say