Immaterialism 4

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Keep it simple

Keep it limitless

Keep it Now

Keep it imaginal

Keep on Keeping on

Less than 5 years...

Rodents scurry
They sense the shadow of vengeance that looms above...
Galvinized javelins & firenados rain down from the mighty wings of justice...
Their time has come...
For those who seek poetic universal retribution... wonderful tides have finally returned.
Some babble & rant, some watch, some flee, but all are mystified!
The righteous have arrived.

What is righteousness?

I wonder what Abraxis thinks about the righteous...

Rightous Smiteghtous

If not righteous, maybe effective at least.

"Dan,

After trying to read Your post 237, I had to go and lie down for an hour in a darkened room.
Not a clue what You are babbling about.

Hobbit"


HOBBIT / Thats classic! I think the only one with the pay grade to understand Dans reply to you is smelly. and I bet he's scratching his head too.

#237........ I thought that was one of my better posts. Maybe you could be more specific.

smelly is wont to internalize the Eschaton. I interpersonalize the Eschaton. There is a difference.

Now, with interpersonal portals, we’re able to temporaralize the Eschaton...... we extend the Rapture for the duration of the Millennium, if you like.

painterdoug wrote:"Dan,

After trying to read Your post 237, I had to go and lie down for an hour in a darkened room.
Not a clue what You are babbling about.

Hobbit"


HOBBIT   / Thats classic!    I think the only one with the pay grade to understand  Dans reply to you is smelly.  and I bet he's scratching his head too.  

That’s a dense post.

I get his drift I think.

So we are in this Immateiral thread typing with material hands.

This is all about sleight of hand and metaphor.

Lots of confusion about the structure of the unknowable.

Dan is accusing you hobbit of being focused on the wrong source of the appearances. He thinks you are caught up in the phonomena.

I don’t necesarily read you that way. I think you are aware of the subtle like most aren’t.

I group what Dan would call animism with the subtle and the subtle is a reflection of something we can’t describe directly.

This gulf is what the confusion is about.

Immanetizing the eschaton. I have denied the historical prophetic tradition as corrupted. I have opted for direct mystical connection to the phonomena as well as a material one.

I deny Dan’s claim you and I are trying to immanteize the eschaton.

He and his ilk are!

We are sensing the actual flow while he debates philosophical and eschatological points.

We are as usual speaking past one another.

I have attempted to show Dan that you can sync down to source and get a sense for the flow and that’s what we should all be doing.

Our whole world is lost. It’s a dead world. We have killed God. Some see that as a boon and others a sign of the end times.

Here is what I say to all prophets...

Don’t know, straight on, STFU and walk straight on.

I won’t say eschatology is a waste of time, but there are much better ways of direct knowing.

The end result of a true path to me is loss of understanding.

Anyway, hopefully I make a little sense.

The world will not be saved per se, it is being dissolved before our eyes.

But we can spiritually see underneath events.

“Eschatology is the study of end times. The eschaton is basically the final stage of human history where the lion lies with the lamb and Justin Bieber is spoken of no more. It occurs after Armageddon when the Kingdom of God gets established here on Earth. But according to philosopher Eric Voegelin, who the term comes from, only God can establish this Kingdom. Popularized by conservatives like William F. Buckley, “immanentizing the eschaton” is Voegelin’s pejorative phrase for utopians who try to take the place of God in bringing about this final stage. Buckley’s critique is that these do-gooders usually use the force of government to ram down their vision of the ideal society without respecting the natural order and traditions that cause societies to evolve on their own.”

You and I are not Utopians are we hobbit?!

You and I hobbit are channeling the natural order.

I would say I am representative of where the natural order is taking us.

I can only speak for myself.

So Dan is totally wrong here.

Prophecy is immediately resolved in the ever happening now.

This is the gist of the Green Man book Dan and I have been reading. It’s not simple, but Dan I’m sure hates this.

We all can meet in the middle.

I like the middle way.

It’s simple.

There is no problem in the world, only in our view of it. We have made it unclear, but it is very clear locally.

Nietzsche and Christ aren’t actually mutually exclusive.

Dogma and literalism are the wrong way.

But Dan seems like the dogmatic one to me hobbit, don’t you agree? It’s ok and good actually to disagree on points. He is not an open sage that says go with the flow, well sometimes he says that, but he is trying to push and that’s not going to work.

Dan is not being authentic.

But I through my play tantrums and push people to make a point, but they are too literal minded to get the jab.

I use OMF to experiment with these ideas and see how people might respond.

I experiment in my personal life with people too.

Most can’t go any deeper than the material or some dogmatic nonsense, but that’s what this age was meant to do.

I’m a syncretic mystic and suspect hobbit is too.

We are often maligned and misunderstood by the herd, this is the way it happens. We are the scapegoats, my favorite roll.

I would say to Dan, he isn’t seeing clearly without the mystic lense.

I channel the wildness of the deep wood and the trickster.

That’s where I see god.

I like Dan just the way he is.

I wouldn't change a thing about Dan.

Muppets want people to change.

It’s good to each clarify their understanding or lack there of.

I don’t like Dan as he is or the world, but I accept them and take responsibility for my own life and I patiently channel what I see.

What they see or accept doesn’t effect my realization one way or the other, as nothing they say could change any thought I have.

I don’t imagine my words are helpful at all to anyone, but maybe they notice what I point to, then that was their destiny, if they don’t, shrug, it doesn’t mean I ever stop being as I feel to be.

Here is my understanding of it all...don’t know, straight on.

This is Dan's immaterial thread.....

You say Dan is of the world?

Ha!

That is irrelevant.

No one owns anything.

And we are responding to Dan’s criticism.

He can do as he likes, but we aren’t buying what he is selling.

Responding to criticism with criticism.

Bwahaha

Not at all, your view is occluded.

We are defining terms.

I fart on your terms, concepts and ideas

Take care of the newborn and hush up now

I’m hunting muppets.

Ha!

I'm hunting muppet hunters.



Hunting itself is a muppet activity.

Only Muppets hunt.

Sometimes I am a muppet...

Shrug

I will continue, forgive the fool.

No profane muppet will be able to realize the illusory world fully.

Only a Master of the World will know.

Master the 5 elements and you will see.

Until then, your weakness is whole.

The Gods will come to you and let you know.

The mind must be cultivated first.

The body is like a hollow reed and the music of the gods will fill you.

We are so devolved and hobbled and stupid.

We are super human because the world is illusory and we know it.

What we see, no muppet can know.

Imagination and divination are the keys to this unknown source of the world.

One must be great in meditation and focus.

No meditation, no focus.

You need nothing, breathe that in, breathe it out, that is all.

Share from compassion, not need and you will know.

YOUTHFUL FOLLY

Even the foolish can attain wisdom
by modestly following the Sage

Aliyah might not be the cosmic trigger....... but someone is or will be.  

The ability to open doors accessible to others is the trick.  

This is the only way to bring down the Eschaton.  

Then the rapture will be temporalized.  

Earth will become the vestibule of the Monad...... and all of us...... vestal virgins.  

I’m not convinced that smelly has this power.  The aquarium team does.  Everyone is invited.  

hobbit, smelly and Aaron....... each catches the scent, in their own way.  They grasp the immanence of the power, but they don’t grasp it’s imminence.  The former blinds them to the latter.  

This is the narrow gate....... of history.  

The aquarium is the highway crew.  We make straight the way...... so straight that you could drive a truck through it.  This is the Mahayana, if you will.  We had almost given up hope.  



(cont.......)

The Aquarium is wrong and irrelevant.

I’m not trying to convince you Dan, nor do I claim anything accept that nothing outside you is needed to realize who and what you are and I can prove that and have to my self and I’m the only one who could do that for me.

I laugh at how obvious this is and how obtuse you still are to it.

That’s your fate.

There are no more cosmic triggers.

You are your own trigger when you find the courage to pull it.

DARKENING OF THE LIGHT

Make your mind like the
clear blue sky at dawn,
unmarked by any message
from man or heaven. Continually
stoking the fire of emptiness with
the breath, you instantly incinerate
whatever appears.

It’s just a step to the left...then you have friggin laser beam eyes.

This is what the silence has stoked me to say, as always, you can’t hear it.

Compassion has me coming back, but who cares what you know Dan, really, it’s irrelevant to any other soul.

I dance and revel in the irrelevance of the Aquarium or any other group of moron muppets.

You can only keep repeating your same parochial mantra, smelly.  

There is a bigger world out there.  You are blinded to it.  You have lost all faith in the world.  

Your exploding head has rendered you oblivious to any larger frame.

Your egocentricity, smelly, is blinding you to the landscape of salvation.  It’s hard to imagine how you can be so dense.  

You fancy yourself to be the prima ballerina.  

You may be that, smelly, but the show goes on........ with or without your fancy footwork.  

You cannot imagine that there is a choreography....... it has been written in the stars. Wake up and see the starlight. The glow in the east is not another illusion. It portends the dawn....... the dawn of the Monad.


(cont........)

Salvation is for muppets, dancing is of the Gods.

You have a lot to unlearn Dan.

I am the least of the dancers above it all, ‘tis true, but least is just enough.

If you knew anything, you would know repetition is a mantra to open the portal.

But you don’t.

I make my world with a lot of help from my benefactor, have you met, no, can’t say you have really

Again, you are showing your great ignorance about life and how to live it.

It’s so funny!

Have funz, but you won’t have anywhere near as much fun as I am smelly whispers in my ear.

Don’t let the Sun catch you still playing Solitaire..........

...... counting flowers on the wall........

Don’t let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy........

You are a total dualist.

I’m sorry you can’t read between the lines.

I can

Obviously I have the beat and you all don’t.

Maybe Valle.

I will finish explaining the Green Man book to you on my other thread and then I really will leave you alone, I have real life to live.

I’ll keep it remedial for you.

Dan torments muppets, God torments Dan with a smelly goat 1000x wiser than he will ever be.

Bahahahahaha