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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:16 am by Cyrellys

The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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    Post by Big Bunny Love Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:44 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    “Nature’s first green is gold,
    Her hardest hue to hold.
    Her early leaf’s a flower;
    But only so an hour.
    Then leaf subsides to leaf.
    So Eden sank to grief,
    So dawn goes down to day.
    Nothing gold can stay.”

    —Robert Frost - “Nothing Gold Can Stay”


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    Post by cwallatruth Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:25 am

    That sounds like a Dan-Smelly exchange somewhere in Immaterial 1-3

    Matthew 11

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    Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has risen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet even the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subject to violence, and the violent lay claim to it. 13 For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.

    15
    He who has ears, let him hear.


    16
    To what can I compare this generation? They are like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling out to others:

    17
    ‘We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not mourn.’
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:09 pm

    Trying to relate the feeling of the alone, is like trying to explain colors to a blind person.

    One conversation with your self could fill every book ever written.

    All anyone can do is freely experience their life aware.

    Nothing else is happening.

    I have nothing to speak to anyone about or explain.

    I need nor want nothing from anyone.

    So the things happening feel a certain way.

    That feeling is yours.

    Whether others feel anything or not is irrelevant to you.

    It is compassion behind the words.

    You can’t help it.

    True understanding is just freely living your life.

    Our pure original nature is beyond intellectual understanding, which can cause intellect fits.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:28 pm

    https://monos-pros-monon.slack.com/archives/CEWLTRGR4/p1545945948006100

    Everything is in flowing change, so nothing can be grasped.

    Truly, dancing on the head of a pin in Big Mind is pure understanding.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:18 pm

    There is no experience compared to meeting your soul and the characters who inhabit it.

    They would listen to those with vision.

    I have no vision
    I have no message
    I have no purpose but to be here now
    I have nothing to say but what I say
    I am free

    I am alone with the alone
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:08 pm

    Delusion leads to confusion which leads to wisdom.

    Get some.

    Catch up.

    Stop playing all your silly reindeer games.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:10 pm

    Too good.

    What an authentic soul.

    Joyful and full of life and he had written The Red Book!

    What an actor.



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:09 pm

    From my Greek studies...

    “It is thrilling, for example, to read the fragments of the world’s earliest philosophers as they decide that one entity, whatever it is, lies at the root of the physical world; as they grapple with explaining how that one entity changes into the different phenomena of the world we see about us (wood and water; rock and blood, thought and spirit); As Parmenides decides that, logically, change is impossible (If something is, it is; if something isn’t, it isn’t; you cannot change an is into an isn’t; therefore change is impossible) - and draws the stunning conclusion that the world we see about us with all its changes (like, for example, movement) must therefore be an illusion; and how his successors began to grope their way towards an atomic theory of matter - that the basic substance of the world is below the level of perception and does indeed remain unchanged itself, but by combining and recombining in different ways creates everything we see about us. No one in the west, as far as we know, had ever even begun to think like this. In area after area of human intellectual, political and cultural endeavor Greeks laid down principles that have informed our thinking about the subject – for good or ill - ever since.

    For any Westerner, then, to come into even brief contact with the ancient Greek language is to open oneself to one of the richest linguistic and cultural experiences imaginable.”

    Too many synchronicities with my mystical philosopher studies to even begin to mention.

    Everywhere I look, there is more to see.

    I am onto it now down the hole.

    I beat the bushes in our ancient tongue.

    I hear the drums beating, like our collective heart, in my ears.

    Then is when we individuated.

    Now is when we are resyncing to the unchanging.

    I guess we always coming near or pulling away from it or it from us.

    The literal will reject this line of inquiry entirely as useless and superstitious, but oh no, how wrong they are.

    This is the center of awareness.

    And we are mostly still asleep and missing this now.

    But who cares about them really, they are fine and trapped in their sleep, but I hear and see it.

    You cannot raise your voice loud enough really to move even the smallest stone.

    So I speak only to my self from the darkness of the world soul, in the middle of our collective dark night, amongst the sleeping and their false idols of self.

    Seeing “A Submerged Town” — Szukalski

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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:04 pm

    Prophets attempt to redeem what cannot be redeemed.

    Only fullness can sacrifice, since it is fullness, it cannot deny its own essence.

    That which guides forces you onto the way.

    The God wants my life.

    The Daimons lay wait for the child and my self and plan to strangle us when we least expect it.

    I must give of my self.
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    Post by painterdoug Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:14 am

    Hi Smelly Saying hello and Happy New Year to you and all.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:30 pm

    Still breathing and spelunking.

    Happy Underworld spelunking in 2019.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:47 pm



    Symbol is a sign of what it originates from.

    How is one to explain how across thousands of years of recorded history and I would guess back to our first glimmer of language, we have had common visions and dreams. Disconnected humans create similar things intuitively and spontaneously.

    Any Human Being knows intuitively to listen to and watch the signs around them and in the sky.

    You learn not all must be explained or understood.

    Reason must admit its incompetence.

    Man has created and destroyed his own gods.

    We must reach the edge of our certainty and go beyond what conscious knowing can know.

    When you begin to follow the signs, strange things seem to happen near you.

    Only the half mad would follow a sign or dance to music heard on the wind Wink
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:26 pm

    Most excellent free ancient Greek course.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq5ea-jR9u2puDaLoRL-nBkpwrkURbLjT
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:01 pm

    Just a great I Ching, so relevant of course to the moment...

    17

    FOLLOWING

    Do not argue with what is;
    simply follow the progress of truth.

    “Wisdom teaches us that in order to obtain a following—the aid and agreement of others—we must first ourselves practice following. This is done by steadfastly observing what is correct and putting it into practice; in other words, we follow the Sage. This hexagram comes to remind you to make it possible for others to be loyal and helpful to you by redevoting yourself to following inner truth.

    It is essential now to quietly accept the way that things are. This does not necessarily mean that you endorse or celebrate current circumstances, just that you do not resist them. Acceptance is the most fundamental principle in the philosophy of the I Ching. To resist events is similar to resisting the turning of the earth—you only exhaust yourself in vain.

    To resolve a difficult situation, follow the good within yourself. Whatever correction is necessary is made possible in this way. The use of force or cunning will only breed resentment and misfortune. Peace blooms quickest where proper principles are given expression.

    Leading others is a delicate art, and our model in this is always the Sage. Proceed gently, with balance, staying unattached to results and free of egotistical pretensions. Lead the people by following the Sage, and a good result will always be had.

    FIRST LINE Remain responsive to the views of those you would influence. Listen attentively for truth, even from unlikely sources, and discuss without quarreling.

    THIRD LINE Sometimes following the good requires that we forego a pleasure of the ego. When some part of your self-image would separate you from truth, let it fall away.

    FOURTH LINE Following creates success. If others flatter you, maintain your innocence and modesty. Attend to what is good and allow others to come and go as they please.

    SIXTH LINE What is needed in the moment comes out of one's allegiance to the Sage. If this is constant and steadfast, then there is no lack.”

    ...

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    DEVELOPMENT (GRADUAL PROGRESS)

    Those who persevere make
    continuous progress.

    “The image of this hexagram is that of a tree growing high on a mountaintop. If this tree grows too fast, without first properly rooting itself, it becomes susceptible to being torn up and destroyed by the winds. If, however, it establishes a proper foundation and is content to grow gradually, it will enjoy a long life and a lofty view.

    Human beings are no different. While we often desire rapid progress—we want to change someone's mind today, obtain an apology now, achieve all our goals immediately—sooner or later we must come to understand that the only lasting progress is gradual progress. Chien comes to urge you to accept that fact and base your thoughts, attitudes, and actions upon it.

    When we have allowed ourselves to be pulled off balance by another or by some event, the ego tempts us to believe that we can influence the situation through forceful behavior. This is incorrect; the actions of the ego inevitably complicate our difficulties. The greatest influence possible always comes through the patient and steady refinement of one's inner self. If you will devote yourself to the path of the sage, with every step along that path you will be strengthened, and progress will come automatically. It will be gradual, but it will last.

    Be patient, modest, and accepting now. Life often demands that we wait longer than we might like for some change, and the only true comfort available during these times is the knowledge that we are steadfastly developing ourselves into superior people. In time, every honor comes to those who are persevering and correct.”

    Peace.
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    Post by painterdoug Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:52 am

    smelly my young lad

    wonderful post regarding the I Ching . such an offering prompts me to offer you this graceful comment.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:37 pm

    Then you might be making progress, bahahahaha, couldn’t resist.

    Thank you for the words.

    I was just about to post this one after wrestling with Dan.

    Maybe it’s all a setup Wink

    DECAY

    It’s simple to become a sage:
    all that’s required is to burn
    up, die, and cool into ashes.

    Rise early, then, and set fire to
    all you think and feel and
    believe. Look beyond the smoke
    of that pit into what is left:
    emptiness filled with emptiness.

    Breathe it in. Pour it out. Circulating
    the Oneness without stopping,
    endlessly renewing your determination,
    working steadily day after day and
    year upon year, you’ll find
    yourself alert, rested, illuminated.

    —Wei Wu Wei - I Ching 18
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    Post by painterdoug Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:10 pm

    sir smelly

    My problem with your comments to Dan, Myself. Foot and others  is, you seem to forget  we are playing a game.
    Would you go up to anyone sitting down to play monopoly or chess etc and call them out for playing?
    Would you deny them the game?

    Are we not allowed to take our illusory time, our 3 dimensional experience and play with it?
    Play pretend?   For that is all this really is, and most of your posts point this out.

    We are all playing a game and playing a part. Your playing as well and playing the game you like to play,  but its an illusion just as ours is.

    So were all tied for last place, or first place depending on your scoring method.  

    So some of us are playing the   "UFO, there is life outside of our awareness, and the government is covering it up",  game.  
    Its fun !  So can we continue?

    Ever see the movie "Deliverance" with Burt Reynolds?
    He says the most existential thing at the most crucial point in the film when he compound fractures his femur .

    He says to John Voigt in pain and desperation,    
    "now you get to play the game"  


    I am alert, rested and illuminated.  I must be doing something right.  






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    Post by Big Bunny Love Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:17 pm

    painterdoug wrote:sir smelly

    My problem with your comments to Dan, Myself. Foot and others  is, you seem to forget  we are playing a game.
    Would you go up to anyone sitting down to play monopoly or chess etc and call them out for playing?
    Would you deny them the game?

    Are we not allowed to take our illusory time, our 3 dimensional experience and play with it?
    Play pretend?   For that is all this really is, and most of your posts point this out.

    We are all playing a game and playing a part. Your playing as well and playing the game you like to play,  but its an illusion just as ours is.

    So were all tied for last place, or first place depending on your scoring method.  

    So some of us are playing the   "UFO, there is life outside of our awareness, and the government is covering it up",  game.  
    Its fun !  So can we continue?

    Ever see the movie "Deliverance" with Burt Reynolds?
    He says the most existential thing at the most crucial point in the film when he compound fractures his femur .

    He says to John Voigt in pain and desperation,    
    "now you get to play the game"  


    I am alert, rested and illuminated.  I must be doing something right.  






    .

    If you don’t like how someone plays the game, well, that’s your problem.

    The game is not yours and you are not the only ones playing.

    I don’t say anything about your game unless Dan throws rocks and then I do it playfully and fun with no names.

    If you all have no sense of humor, sorry for you.

    I see you have edges that you can still snag things on.

    Maybe try to see underneath things a little better.

    Your problems with others are your problems at the end of the day.

    I have only been here playing Wink

    You play with aliens and I play with muppets.

    The muppets are the real game.

    So while you are playing the fool game, I am making fun of the foolz.

    What a great game Wink

    I really could care less what anyone else is aware of or not.

    If they want to know, they can.

    It all works out, don’t worry, we can both trust it’s beyond our understanding, no?

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    Post by painterdoug Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:35 pm

    smelly

    you take offense  ,  I'm not annoyed with you for playing your game, I'm just pointing out its a game the same as anyone else.  

    but where your wrong is yours is the right game.   its all a game

    i used to think ice Hockey was a better game then curling.  well its the same game.  a game where someone wins and someone looses, but then it starts over again.  
    so is it meaningless??  yes,   but so is not playing.    football game is set to a clock. 4 quarters.  If the clock never ended, the game would be pointless.


    and yes we certainly agree on , its beyond our understanding

    small shrug


    Smelly I have duly noted when you have cracked me up with laughter. many times! I have a sense of humor. carry on

    your best friend, the old man with dirt on his back


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    Post by Big Bunny Love Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:40 pm

    I am amused.

    You nor anyone here has offended me.

    You don’t like my style, ok.

    I think you guys are all very humorous.

    You don’t have to engage me.

    Just ignore me.

    Everything I do is spontaneous and using the energy here.

    I thought of any, you could see that, but whatever.

    Doesn’t matter at all, not one bit Wink

    I have always been open and available, your distance is your ego, enjoy.

    There is no distance between us but what you create.

    Distance is illusory after all.

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    Post by Big Bunny Love Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:48 pm

    Let your laughter be your guide to who is your friend.

    Laugh with me or at me, all good.

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