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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:09 pm

    First topic message reminder :

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    Post by SurfBum Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:37 am

    I plead the 5th.

    The Princess didn't exactly say it quite like that...also I may have misquoted her. I barely remember what she said. It's in the distant past and I have a bad memory anyway.

    I don't know how close to Dan's BPWH Mormonism is...

    I will leave that up to Dan to decide.

    Is it important what religion is close to Dan's BPWH?

    Who is it important to and why?
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    Post by Guest Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:10 pm

    Maybe my adult Catechism Class from today could help...

    PM me for the file


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:48 pm

    Dan, I am getting closer to this Mystery through direct contact and participation.

    I am following Yeats’s path within basically.

    And then I find Henry Corbin, omg this guy and Hillman.

    Tom has done 20 years of survey work and become a mystic himself.

    You could spend a life studying the mystical writings of just one man.

    I’m studying 5, who had their own focuses.

    I have a fuzzy picture now of my higher self and how it has driven me like a horse.

    I need 2 or 3 more lifetimes to get a true sense of the map Wink

    Their minds and writings are so dense and experiences part of a bigger picture, but they all became artists like I did, using their active imaginations was their secret. I feel a kinship with them.

    I don’t know much or any Hebrew, Greek, Persian, or Arabic like these giants of soul did.

    But I don’t have to.

    I meet them inside where we all meet and speak the same language of symbol and myth and imagination.

    Imagination is what Zeus bet the farm on to fulfill and then transcend the Law.

    Both of divine origin, filtered down to us.

    I read a little and then incubate and mediate and connect things and find new threads.

    I’m obviously being helped along.

    What does that mean?

    What is that force showing me how sick and disconnected the world is from its source?

    All of this mystery and synchronicity is meant to drive us inside and to inquire.

    I am banging on the doors!!!

    Day by day I inch closer and closer.

    I am exploring this through the myth of the Daimon.

    It is...communicating with me.

    It’s mystical stuff dude.

    The blog format seems to be my preferred way to document this.

    Do you know why I know the Princess doesn’t understand things very well?

    Before Jesus was Dionysus.

    The Green Man and the imaginal are who Zeus bequeathed the future kingdom to.

    Pan.

    If you haven’t done the work, you shall not pass into the Underworld.

    So many pretenders.

    I wish I could show them, but they have to realize it.
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    Post by cwallatruth Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:56 pm

    "Like a tired old poem, whose job is complete
    Where meaning burrowed veins, to the heart, to the deep;
    Can more nuggets be found on each prospector’s new trip
    Where Johnny Newcome looks hard, at the cackler’s sharp whip;
    Waste away young man, who looks for answers in treasures
    I have spent them. They’re gone, with nothing to measure;
    So I keep coming back, inspired to bore
    Making more out of nothing, and something from more;
    I trace circles upon circles, looking for center
    Befriending my angels and likewise my dissenters;
    With the team at the helm, we are fighting for first
    To give truth its just throne, and claim untruth the worst;
    But how can I damn my best friend to hell
    So much has been given, and so much left to tell;
    I will listen to both, and let them each live a life
    While I search for gold nuggets in their undying strife"
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:57 pm

    You know, never was I this motivated in my life.

    This has captured my imagination.

    Every free moment I am in study or meditation on these topics.

    I don’t know this version of me yet.

    It is becoming.

    The Work does this to you.

    Changes you as your awareness expands.

    And then it guides you like no book or word could.

    I think all mystic philosophers would say the same.

    I certainly didn’t set out to be anything other than real and wanting to live my true will and know my true self.
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    Post by cwallatruth Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:03 pm

    Bought some tarot cards today. Wink
    mostly influence from here
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    Post by SurfBum Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:26 pm

    What are you inching closer and closer to smelly?

    I know nothing about Dionysus, don't need to.
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    Post by cwallatruth Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:32 pm

    Ha. That "inching closer" line is what inspired to me to post that poem
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:46 pm

    Aaron wrote:What are you inching closer and closer to smelly?

    I know nothing about Dionysus, don't need to.

    You know what you need to know.

    You are hungry or you aren’t.

    If you inquire in consciousness, you will find Dionysus.

    And you should know the history and past and myth to you are illiterate.

    But your true self will guide you if you let it.

    Most don’t.

    Most wont die and submit.


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    Post by cwallatruth Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:49 pm

    What does it mean to "should"?

    Like "should" eat or "should" sleep?
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    Post by SurfBum Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:52 pm

    I have no problems.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:53 pm

    I don’t argue with muppets Aaron.

    These things are self evident if you do the work.

    Do it or don’t.

    I don’t care really Wink
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    Post by cwallatruth Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:18 pm

    smelly wrote:
    Do it or don’t.

    But it's do not doing, right? Aagh so confused!
    Well, my only saving grace is that at least I can recognize I am confused.

    Is that the first step or the last?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:52 pm

    Practicing doing not doing is the work.

    Doing not doing does not mean do nothing, it means do anything completely here and now.

    Practicing spontaneous action and using active imagination to create spontaneously, opens up long atrophied pathways.

    Seeing all as a sign and seeing the dual sides of all things takes practice.

    All of that is not talking about it, but doing not doing.

    These new pathways bring a focus for a human being.

    That process unveils your true will.

    And then things free flow.

    Personally, I drop petals as I go from the flowers I find.

    Hopefully those riddles and realizations spark the curiosity in others to look into themselves.

    Balancing the opposites and practicing awareness might lead one into the lowest or highest seemingly positions, but their will is clear and they are free to act as needed in any given situation.

    Each has within them a guiding principle they can connect to by doing the work or they can ignore at their peril.

    All of this is grounded in the here and now.

    We are pulled by the world and pushed by this guiding principle at the same time.


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    Post by cwallatruth Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:08 pm

    I'm finally starting to get it. Hallelujah
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    Post by SurfBum Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:22 pm

    smelly wrote:I don’t argue with muppets Aaron.

    These things are self evident if you do the work.

    Do it or don’t.

    I don’t care really Wink

    There is nothing to argue.

    We study the myths until we learn what we need to and then we don't.

    I have done the work necessary.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:45 pm

    I have my experience with the myths and my own imagination and will. We all have our own experience with them.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:55 pm

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    Post by SurfBum Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:06 pm

    smelly wrote:I have my experience with the myths and my own imagination and will. We all have our own experience with them.

    Yes, exactly.
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    Post by SurfBum Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:27 pm

    cwallatruth wrote:
    smelly wrote:
    Do it or don’t.

    But it's do not doing, right?  Aagh so confused!
    Well, my only saving grace is that at least I can recognize I am confused.

    Is that the first step or the last?

    Confusion is not the last step.

    Is there such thing as a last step?

    After confusion is replaced with clarity you still keep stepping but not towards a destination.

    You stop stepping to get somewhere and start dancing where you are now.

    Smelly, I watched some of that video about myths you posted.

    Good video.

    Myths are a wonderful aesthetic accent to the journey.

    Peterson talks about our modern day myths and how popular the Marvel superhero movies are these days.

    Myths are a part of us deeply.

    We study them intensely in the beginning of our journey as we seek to understand ourselves more deeply.

    Later on we enjoy them more as an accent to our awareness, but the seeking is replaced by a relaxed watching of the show.

    The myths will never leave us because we are the myths of ourselves.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:35 am

    As long as you are breathing, you are stepping.

    It isn’t the knowledge you have, it’s the reconciliation of the opposites done in silence you do or not.

    Life is myth and imaginal or literal for folks.

    Myths aren’t about ascetics, they are encoded logos.

    You won’t get past the gate without wrestling with the riddles of myth.

    Myths are meant to trigger self inquiry and curiosity.

    Myths are not pretty nice to haves, they are keys.

    Myths are connected to truth, comics are fantasy and mostly idolatry as they have lost their connection to meaning.

    They energize your imagination.

    Imagination is the key.
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    Post by SurfBum Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:22 am

    smelly wrote:
    Myths aren’t about ascetics, they are encoded logos.

    You won’t get past the gate without wrestling with the riddles of myth.

    Myths are meant to trigger self inquiry and curiosity.

    Myths are not pretty nice to haves, they are keys.


    I may have made it sound like myths are just nice to haves, but yes, they are key.

    After you open the gate and walk through they become a nice ascetic accent.
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    Post by SurfBum Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:28 am

    I read up on the twice born Dionysus and the Dionysian Mysteries. Father was a God mother was a mortal. He was killed and nothing but his heart remained. With his beating heart Zeus helped to resurrect him.

    Many parallels with the Jesus myth.

    Dionysus was known as, The Liberator. Only two deities had this title in ancient Greece= Eros and Dionysus. Apollo was never called by this name, nor were any of the other Olympian gods and goddesses.

    I also got a great sense of Wu Wei from studying Dionysus myth.

    "Falling in love with Life, and putting all your eggs in the basket of Life, not hoping in anything beyond Life, is where the Dionysic begins. You reject any spirit, or spirituality, denuded of Life. You reject ‘pure’ spirit, or spirituality, that can only operate beyond Life. Dionysus tells us, trust Life, stay with Life. Our future, his oracle tells us — Dionysus shared the Delphic Oracle with Apollo — is with Life."
    -taken from:

    http://www.passionofheart.co.uk/room-of-no-exit/the-messianic/dionysus/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysian_Mysteries
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    Post by dan Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:40 am

    Ok, speaking of modern myths, it would considerably simplify things if rad is ebe, as pointed out yesterday..... 2,3&1.  

    Will it make any other difference?  Only to historians, perhaps.  

    Foot, of course, will never admit to this.  Princess might...... already has, in effect.

    Word has it that my very brief sojourn to the lake mostly just caused consternation....... both the coming and the going.  That may not be fair to either side.  It’s not clear how it will work out.  This may just lean us toward a continued WoM/MoAPS.  No follow up to tic-tac?  Maybe not necessary.  

    I’m reasonably convinced that the ldsers are on top of the situation.  Their cosmology is very close to the BPW..... it would only take a couple of tweaks, and they would be on the money.  

    Are we going to be spared of the tribulation?  Can the sparing be accomplished without Disclosure?  That’s the only real question, before us.  

    Mind you...... it has already been fated, if not feted.  But still, will smelly be upset by the posing of the question?  He will merely scoff.  

    Tom C...... would he be the same?  I’d better read further.  One could ask the same of Jason or John Dee.  What was that about, pray tell?  Was John the pivot of the empire...... speaking of persons?  The metaphysics of the pivot was not unlike that with the j-man.  



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    Post by Guest Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:50 am

    Dan,

    How is Mormon Cosmology in line with the BPW, or especially, the SWH? They believe in an infinite regress of gods, and the eternity of matter and intelligence. That seems to be the BWH, and it is the opposite of the determinism inherent in the BPW.

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