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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

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The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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Post by dan Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:09 pm

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Post by SurfBum Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:37 am

I plead the 5th.

The Princess didn't exactly say it quite like that...also I may have misquoted her. I barely remember what she said. It's in the distant past and I have a bad memory anyway.

I don't know how close to Dan's BPWH Mormonism is...

I will leave that up to Dan to decide.

Is it important what religion is close to Dan's BPWH?

Who is it important to and why?
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Post by Guest Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:10 pm

Maybe my adult Catechism Class from today could help...

PM me for the file


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Post by BewilderedBird Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:48 pm

Dan, I am getting closer to this Mystery through direct contact and participation.

I am following Yeats’s path within basically.

And then I find Henry Corbin, omg this guy and Hillman.

Tom has done 20 years of survey work and become a mystic himself.

You could spend a life studying the mystical writings of just one man.

I’m studying 5, who had their own focuses.

I have a fuzzy picture now of my higher self and how it has driven me like a horse.

I need 2 or 3 more lifetimes to get a true sense of the map Wink

Their minds and writings are so dense and experiences part of a bigger picture, but they all became artists like I did, using their active imaginations was their secret. I feel a kinship with them.

I don’t know much or any Hebrew, Greek, Persian, or Arabic like these giants of soul did.

But I don’t have to.

I meet them inside where we all meet and speak the same language of symbol and myth and imagination.

Imagination is what Zeus bet the farm on to fulfill and then transcend the Law.

Both of divine origin, filtered down to us.

I read a little and then incubate and mediate and connect things and find new threads.

I’m obviously being helped along.

What does that mean?

What is that force showing me how sick and disconnected the world is from its source?

All of this mystery and synchronicity is meant to drive us inside and to inquire.

I am banging on the doors!!!

Day by day I inch closer and closer.

I am exploring this through the myth of the Daimon.

It is...communicating with me.

It’s mystical stuff dude.

The blog format seems to be my preferred way to document this.

Do you know why I know the Princess doesn’t understand things very well?

Before Jesus was Dionysus.

The Green Man and the imaginal are who Zeus bequeathed the future kingdom to.

Pan.

If you haven’t done the work, you shall not pass into the Underworld.

So many pretenders.

I wish I could show them, but they have to realize it.
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Post by cwallatruth Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:56 pm

"Like a tired old poem, whose job is complete
Where meaning burrowed veins, to the heart, to the deep;
Can more nuggets be found on each prospector’s new trip
Where Johnny Newcome looks hard, at the cackler’s sharp whip;
Waste away young man, who looks for answers in treasures
I have spent them. They’re gone, with nothing to measure;
So I keep coming back, inspired to bore
Making more out of nothing, and something from more;
I trace circles upon circles, looking for center
Befriending my angels and likewise my dissenters;
With the team at the helm, we are fighting for first
To give truth its just throne, and claim untruth the worst;
But how can I damn my best friend to hell
So much has been given, and so much left to tell;
I will listen to both, and let them each live a life
While I search for gold nuggets in their undying strife"
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Post by BewilderedBird Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:57 pm

You know, never was I this motivated in my life.

This has captured my imagination.

Every free moment I am in study or meditation on these topics.

I don’t know this version of me yet.

It is becoming.

The Work does this to you.

Changes you as your awareness expands.

And then it guides you like no book or word could.

I think all mystic philosophers would say the same.

I certainly didn’t set out to be anything other than real and wanting to live my true will and know my true self.
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Post by cwallatruth Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:03 pm

Bought some tarot cards today. Wink
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Post by SurfBum Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:26 pm

What are you inching closer and closer to smelly?

I know nothing about Dionysus, don't need to.
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Post by cwallatruth Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:32 pm

Ha. That "inching closer" line is what inspired to me to post that poem
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Post by BewilderedBird Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:46 pm

Aaron wrote:What are you inching closer and closer to smelly?

I know nothing about Dionysus, don't need to.

You know what you need to know.

You are hungry or you aren’t.

If you inquire in consciousness, you will find Dionysus.

And you should know the history and past and myth to you are illiterate.

But your true self will guide you if you let it.

Most don’t.

Most wont die and submit.


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Post by cwallatruth Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:49 pm

What does it mean to "should"?

Like "should" eat or "should" sleep?
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Post by SurfBum Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:52 pm

I have no problems.
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Post by BewilderedBird Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:53 pm

I don’t argue with muppets Aaron.

These things are self evident if you do the work.

Do it or don’t.

I don’t care really Wink
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Post by cwallatruth Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:18 pm

smelly wrote:
Do it or don’t.

But it's do not doing, right? Aagh so confused!
Well, my only saving grace is that at least I can recognize I am confused.

Is that the first step or the last?
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Post by BewilderedBird Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:52 pm

Practicing doing not doing is the work.

Doing not doing does not mean do nothing, it means do anything completely here and now.

Practicing spontaneous action and using active imagination to create spontaneously, opens up long atrophied pathways.

Seeing all as a sign and seeing the dual sides of all things takes practice.

All of that is not talking about it, but doing not doing.

These new pathways bring a focus for a human being.

That process unveils your true will.

And then things free flow.

Personally, I drop petals as I go from the flowers I find.

Hopefully those riddles and realizations spark the curiosity in others to look into themselves.

Balancing the opposites and practicing awareness might lead one into the lowest or highest seemingly positions, but their will is clear and they are free to act as needed in any given situation.

Each has within them a guiding principle they can connect to by doing the work or they can ignore at their peril.

All of this is grounded in the here and now.

We are pulled by the world and pushed by this guiding principle at the same time.


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Post by cwallatruth Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:08 pm

I'm finally starting to get it. Hallelujah
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Post by SurfBum Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:22 pm

smelly wrote:I don’t argue with muppets Aaron.

These things are self evident if you do the work.

Do it or don’t.

I don’t care really Wink

There is nothing to argue.

We study the myths until we learn what we need to and then we don't.

I have done the work necessary.


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Post by BewilderedBird Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:45 pm

I have my experience with the myths and my own imagination and will. We all have our own experience with them.
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Post by SurfBum Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:06 pm

smelly wrote:I have my experience with the myths and my own imagination and will. We all have our own experience with them.

Yes, exactly.
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Post by SurfBum Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:27 pm

cwallatruth wrote:
smelly wrote:
Do it or don’t.

But it's do not doing, right?  Aagh so confused!
Well, my only saving grace is that at least I can recognize I am confused.

Is that the first step or the last?

Confusion is not the last step.

Is there such thing as a last step?

After confusion is replaced with clarity you still keep stepping but not towards a destination.

You stop stepping to get somewhere and start dancing where you are now.

Smelly, I watched some of that video about myths you posted.

Good video.

Myths are a wonderful aesthetic accent to the journey.

Peterson talks about our modern day myths and how popular the Marvel superhero movies are these days.

Myths are a part of us deeply.

We study them intensely in the beginning of our journey as we seek to understand ourselves more deeply.

Later on we enjoy them more as an accent to our awareness, but the seeking is replaced by a relaxed watching of the show.

The myths will never leave us because we are the myths of ourselves.
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Post by BewilderedBird Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:35 am

As long as you are breathing, you are stepping.

It isn’t the knowledge you have, it’s the reconciliation of the opposites done in silence you do or not.

Life is myth and imaginal or literal for folks.

Myths aren’t about ascetics, they are encoded logos.

You won’t get past the gate without wrestling with the riddles of myth.

Myths are meant to trigger self inquiry and curiosity.

Myths are not pretty nice to haves, they are keys.

Myths are connected to truth, comics are fantasy and mostly idolatry as they have lost their connection to meaning.

They energize your imagination.

Imagination is the key.
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Post by SurfBum Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:22 am

smelly wrote:
Myths aren’t about ascetics, they are encoded logos.

You won’t get past the gate without wrestling with the riddles of myth.

Myths are meant to trigger self inquiry and curiosity.

Myths are not pretty nice to haves, they are keys.


I may have made it sound like myths are just nice to haves, but yes, they are key.

After you open the gate and walk through they become a nice ascetic accent.
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Post by SurfBum Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:28 am

I read up on the twice born Dionysus and the Dionysian Mysteries. Father was a God mother was a mortal. He was killed and nothing but his heart remained. With his beating heart Zeus helped to resurrect him.

Many parallels with the Jesus myth.

Dionysus was known as, The Liberator. Only two deities had this title in ancient Greece= Eros and Dionysus. Apollo was never called by this name, nor were any of the other Olympian gods and goddesses.

I also got a great sense of Wu Wei from studying Dionysus myth.

"Falling in love with Life, and putting all your eggs in the basket of Life, not hoping in anything beyond Life, is where the Dionysic begins. You reject any spirit, or spirituality, denuded of Life. You reject ‘pure’ spirit, or spirituality, that can only operate beyond Life. Dionysus tells us, trust Life, stay with Life. Our future, his oracle tells us — Dionysus shared the Delphic Oracle with Apollo — is with Life."
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http://www.passionofheart.co.uk/room-of-no-exit/the-messianic/dionysus/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysian_Mysteries
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Post by dan Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:40 am

Ok, speaking of modern myths, it would considerably simplify things if rad is ebe, as pointed out yesterday..... 2,3&1.  

Will it make any other difference?  Only to historians, perhaps.  

Foot, of course, will never admit to this.  Princess might...... already has, in effect.

Word has it that my very brief sojourn to the lake mostly just caused consternation....... both the coming and the going.  That may not be fair to either side.  It’s not clear how it will work out.  This may just lean us toward a continued WoM/MoAPS.  No follow up to tic-tac?  Maybe not necessary.  

I’m reasonably convinced that the ldsers are on top of the situation.  Their cosmology is very close to the BPW..... it would only take a couple of tweaks, and they would be on the money.  

Are we going to be spared of the tribulation?  Can the sparing be accomplished without Disclosure?  That’s the only real question, before us.  

Mind you...... it has already been fated, if not feted.  But still, will smelly be upset by the posing of the question?  He will merely scoff.  

Tom C...... would he be the same?  I’d better read further.  One could ask the same of Jason or John Dee.  What was that about, pray tell?  Was John the pivot of the empire...... speaking of persons?  The metaphysics of the pivot was not unlike that with the j-man.  



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Post by Guest Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:50 am

Dan,

How is Mormon Cosmology in line with the BPW, or especially, the SWH? They believe in an infinite regress of gods, and the eternity of matter and intelligence. That seems to be the BWH, and it is the opposite of the determinism inherent in the BPW.

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