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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

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The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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Post by SurfBum Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:49 pm

Just making it up as we go along
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Post by BewilderedBird Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:55 pm

We don’t talk about the movie in mixed company, it’s rude.

We just have lost all concept of manners in poopie town.
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Post by SurfBum Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:02 pm

Yes, we best not speak about the movie in mixed company.

Best to get yourselves back to the garden cat herders!



Well, I came upon a child of God
He was walking along the road
And I asked him, Tell me, where are you going
This he told me

Said, I'm going down to Yasgur's Farm
Gonna join in a rock and roll band
Got to get back to the land and set my soul free
We are stardust, we are golden
We are billion year old carbon
And we got to get ourselves back to the garden

Well, then can I roam beside you?
I have come to lose the smog,
And I feel myself a cog in somethin' turning
And maybe it's the time of year
Yes and maybe it's the time of man
And I don't know who I am
But life is for learning

We are stardust, we are golden
We are billion year old carbon
And we got to get ourselves back to the garden
We are stardust, we are golden
We are billion year old carbon
And we got to get ourselves back to the garden

By the time we got to Woodstock
We were half a million strong
And everywhere was a song and a celebration
And I dreamed I saw the bomber death planes
Riding shotgun in the sky,
Turning into butterflies
Above our nation

We are stardust, we are golden
We are caught in the devils bargain
And we got to get ourselves back to the garden
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Post by BewilderedBird Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:36 pm

It’s going to take a lot of blowing....

“Every man has within himself the entire human condition.”

“I speak the truth, not my fill of it, but as much as I dare speak; and I dare to do so a little more as I grow old.”

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Que sais-je?
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Post by SurfBum Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:50 pm

Since I would rather make of him an able man than a learned man, I would also urge that care be taken to choose a guide with a well-made rather than a well-filled head.
—Michel de Montaigne
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Post by cwallatruth Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:04 pm

My haiku interpretation of everything Smelly and Aaron have said today:

"I might be so good
It doesn’t even matter
I know what I am"

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Post by SurfBum Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:21 pm

Okay Smelly, I feel ya across the wire.

I caught up now.

We can do this now without words.

I'll take the initiative this time without you even writing anything.

Call it magic or a fart or whatever you want.

Who else is caught up now?

Don't know...

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Post by cwallatruth Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:28 pm

"Raise up your level
And go meet your next devil
Made to be broken"
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Post by SurfBum Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:39 pm

If you want to shrink something, you must first allow it to expand.

Express yourself completely, then keep quiet.

Be like the forces of nature: when it blows there is only wind

He who clings to his work will create nothing that endures

Do you job then let go

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Post by ParanoidFactoid Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:46 pm

AP has our backs!

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Post by cwallatruth Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:51 pm

Aaron wrote:If you want to shrink something, you must first allow it to expand.

Express yourself completely, then keep quiet.

Be like the forces of nature: when it blows there is only wind

He who clings to his work will create nothing that endures

Do you job then let go


I crave clinging to something. It never lasts
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Post by SurfBum Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:58 pm

If we are strong enough to let it in, we are strong enough to let it go.

Wink

Straight on
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Post by cwallatruth Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:53 pm

"These words are all lies
Is what the devil would say
I say come and play"
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Post by 99 Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:23 pm

85,000 children have starved to death during the Saudi-led intervention in Yemen, says new report
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-46261983

Trump loves the Saudi's.

Look at this Yemen toddler's arms in the pic below.

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Post by BewilderedBird Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:26 pm

ParanoidFactoid wrote:AP has our backs!

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Bahahaha

I dislike PF less and less.

Let’s lift up AP in our prayers.

I hope he has the breakdown/breakthrough he needs, the best possible breakdown, with no bullets involved.

Peace to him.
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Post by SurfBum Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:06 am

Agreed
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Post by Foot Mann Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:10 am

Happy Thanksgiving. It is the day white people give thanks for the Holocaust of native american deaths from small pox and syphilis that cleared this land for a mostly peaceful invasion. It was one of the largest percentage human population reduction in recorded history. We celebrate by inflicting a yearly Holocaust on turkeys and pigs as stand ins for the missing native americans that gave us corn, yams, and stuffing.

Best Possible Holocaust
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Post by SurfBum Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:28 am

Happy Thanksgiving Dr. Manhattan
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Post by Cyrellys Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:51 pm

Aaron wrote:The Small World is dead...

The world is all nonsense.

The world is no different today than it was yesterday. 
It will be no different tomorrow, except for if we choose to brighten it.

The world is static.  It is we who are the transients, if we so choose.

Where would you like to go?  What would you like to be?

You are limited only by your own imagination.  All else is noise.

How many words or lines or books do you really need to figure that out?

All-Being.  It's an adventure in consciousness.  The universe is just one part of a giant exploratory playground.


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Post by Cyrellys Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:24 pm

Foot Mann wrote:Happy Thanksgiving. It is the day white people give thanks for the Holocaust of native american deaths from small pox and syphilis that cleared this land for a mostly peaceful invasion. It was one of the largest percentage human population reduction in recorded history. We celebrate by inflicting a yearly Holocaust on turkeys and pigs as stand ins for the missing native americans that gave us corn, yams, and stuffing.

Best Possible Holocaust

Good grief Footman, you seriously make such an ignorant statement?  I thought you were supposed to be an educated man?  

Immigrants to America in the age of exploration and later in the colonial era had no real knowledge of how bacterial and viral diseases worked.  They had no way of knowing a population they'd never had long-term contact with would be decimated by the same diseases that regularly decimated Europe.

The immigrants during those two time periods were subjects of either the Protestant ideology or the Roman Catholic...or they were in hiding so their Celtic Christian/Pelagianism would not be discovered by either hostile and politically influenced Church.

Disease was a frequent visitor of all peoples around the world and plagues are well recorded on both sides of the great pond.  But it is politically convenient to denounce whites these days as monsters for an ignorance they had no control over, and today for an ancestry held out of proper context laying undefended by its own.

Let's be clear...humans have always moved.  The so called Native American's are not really so native, just earlier arrivals.  Caucasians of Europe are a mix of several races over a period of about 3K-5K years and history is loath to accept a 10K verbal history of a people who "originated" in the West yet held ties to the east...better to say all stemmed from the Biblical East to West Migration out of Mesopotamia and North Africa as it's more convenient than the post-apocalyptic history of the Dannan, Gael, and Gaul.

Long after we are gone, people will continue to move around the world.  Talam/Tamia/Earth of the solar system Griann/Sol will shift and balance much as it always has for millennia to come...cyclic cataclysms and plagues will come and go.  Some will be man made due to irresponsible tinkering.  Issues of race really are a non-starter wrt whites...especially when you look at how widespread the celtic genome has shared itself.  But again ideological complaints are politically convenient for many people choose opinion over reading and research.

Yes we live in a privileged land built upon the blood, sweat, and tears of those who risked all to attempt something better.  Wisdom arrives in retrospect....The Scribes of Fermoy directed the last Ard Righ of the Aes Dana to make a pact with an English Businessman to arrange with the English Crown an opportunity to escape the political chaos of Mumhan Ireland without shedding further blood...

In the Laconia Company life was no picnic building everything largely from scratch and then when the resupply ship was denied by the widow of that businessman...the contract broken...the last of a long line of survivors were set adrift in a strange land, vaguely familiar for the Templars prior relationships with the natives.  

What is shadowing?  Shadowing is blending in, though different, you appear as part of the predominant woodwork...your differences maintained discretely.  Until a son and grandson of Mason in the favor of the Crown chose to attempt ownership of an ancient people long freed from the former contract.

To be thankful for provenance...which became part of the new nation.

To be thankful for free will aka liberty...which became part of the new nation.

To be thankful for the space to espouse truth and justice as one's highest ideals...which became part of the new nation.

And to find in that new nation an assembly from both continents and soon even beyond; an assembly of citizens who willingly accept a higher calling to Human Potential...an assembly worthy as heirs to an ancient promise to protect and lead by example in the name of that Human Potential.

We remember in this Thanksgiving Day, all that and with an eye to the future this world is seen to attain, we stand on the shield wall, in the wind, shadowed...but still present.

We be of one blood thou and I.

FiOs.

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Post by GSB/SSR Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:47 pm

Foot: My (presumed) ancestor ...

William White died late in the first winter on February 21, 1621. With the death of her husband, Susanna White, with newborn Peregrine and five-year-old Resolved, became the only surviving widow out of the many families who perished that winter. By the Spring of 1621, 52 of the 102 persons who originally had arrived on the Mayflower at Cape Cod would be dead. In May 1621, Susanna White became the first Plymouth colony bride, marrying Edward Winslow, a fellow Mayflower passenger whose wife had perished on March 24, 1621.

Winslow was delegated by his associates to deal with the Indians in the vicinity (the Wampanoag) and succeeded in winning the friendship of their chief, Massasoit. He served as a member of the governor’s council from 1624 to 1647, except in 1633–34, 1636–37, and 1644–45, when he was governor of the colony. In 1643 he was one of the commissioners of the United Colonies of New England and on several occasions was sent to England to represent the interests of the Massachusetts Bay and Plymouth colonies.

And Dan's family about that time ...

THROOP GENEALOGY CHART 1 AMOS G. THROOP'S FOREBEARS AND COUSINS ON THE THROOP SIDE

Dan Throop, b. 1670, Barnstable, MA
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Dan Throop II, b. 1714, Bristol, RI
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Rachel Terry Dan Throop III (Captain), b. 1740

https://authors.library.caltech.edu/25014/1/ThroopCollection.pdf


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Post by Foot Mann Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:31 pm

Although looking to the Future, the Foot is an avid historian on biological warfare: [https://www.history.com/news/colonists-native-americans-smallpox-blankets]

Bouquet, in turn, passed along the news about the smallpox inside Fort Pitt to his own superior, Amherst, in a June 23 letter. In Amherst’s July 7 response, he cold-bloodedly saw an opportunity in the disease outbreak. “Could it not be contrived to Send the Small Pox among those Disaffected Tribes of Indians? We must, on this occasion, Use Every Stratagem in our power to Reduce them.”

“We must, on this occasion, Use Every Stratagem in our power to Reduce them.”

On July 13, Bouquet, who at that point was traveling across Pennsylvania with British reinforcements for Fort Pitt, responded to Amherst, promising that he would try to spread the disease to the Native Americans via contaminated blankets, “taking care however not to get the disease myself.” That tactic seemed to please Amherst, who wrote back in approval on July 16, urging him to spread smallpox “as well as try Every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Execreble [sic] Race.”
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Post by Cyrellys Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:09 pm

Foot Mann wrote:Although looking to the Future, the Foot is an avid historian on biological warfare: [https://www.history.com/news/colonists-native-americans-smallpox-blankets]

Bouquet, in turn, passed along the news about the smallpox inside Fort Pitt to his own superior, Amherst, in a June 23 letter. In Amherst’s July 7 response, he cold-bloodedly saw an opportunity in the disease outbreak. “Could it not be contrived to Send the Small Pox among those Disaffected Tribes of Indians? We must, on this occasion, Use Every Stratagem in our power to Reduce them.”

“We must, on this occasion, Use Every Stratagem in our power to Reduce them.”

On July 13, Bouquet, who at that point was traveling across Pennsylvania with British reinforcements for Fort Pitt, responded to Amherst, promising that he would try to spread the disease to the Native Americans via contaminated blankets, “taking care however not to get the disease myself.” That tactic seemed to please Amherst, who wrote back in approval on July 16, urging him to spread smallpox “as well as try Every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Execreble [sic] Race.”


Bouquet & Amherst were "Crown" assets in the French Indian Wars.  Baron Jeffrey Amherst (former Governor General of the Provence of Quebec) was in charge of the Crown's 7 Years War to take the territory of New France.  This was AFTER the death of Elizabeth I whose crusade against the Illuminists in Spain resulting in the Letters of Marque for our privateers in the New World against the Spanish Alumbrados and BEFORE the American Revolution. After Elizabeth's death the Illuminists found opportunity and allies in conflicted England as the Illumined began their consolidation of financial powers over European nation-states.  It was those allies who encouraged the Mason family to re-assert ownership over the Aes Dana populated Maine/NewHampshire region which eventually resulted in the naval battle at Machias Maine where colonists took Crown Ships led by O'Brien.  It was crown agents during the French/Indian Wars who paid unscrupulous trappers and hunters to screw over local tribes in bad deals and theft, north and east of the northern colonies to incite them to retaliate in violence believing it would ingratiate the "protection of the Crown" in the Colonists.  It resulted in tremendous death in the Great Works/Strawberry Banks/Portsmouth region as the formerly friendly tribes sought recompense upon civilians.  Conversations between those natives who remained friendly, made clear who was doing what in the woodwork.  The anger simmered until the tensions in 1775 broke at Machias.

Don't see the Illumined/Alumbrados clear enough?  Watch closely the followers of Loyola.

Know your enemy.  Proxy wars between the Illumined and the Tuatha Danann in the New World: Elizabeth I death (1603) thru 1775.  Land & Sea.

Cyrellys ni Geibhendach, grandaughter of Willamette Ollamh Mor (Great Scholar) Mary ni Launger do Aes Dana; and line descendant of Ambrose Geibhendach (Gibbon) au Dubhagain Ard Righ Aes Dana do Fermoy Eireann 1620 and Proctor of Laconia Company under John Mason at Strawberry Banks/Great Works modern Portsmouth 1623 under direction of the Aes Dana Council "The Scribes of Fermoy".


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Historically speaking it is the Illuminist tradition that practices racism, human trafficking, pedophilia, occult (Babylonian/Egyptian), canibalism, and gravitates to generational positions of financial/governmental power and influence.  They groom their children to such positions.  They believe in the Illumined racial superiority which dates back to the time of Ancient Global War which occurred over misuse of technology.  It is acceptable to modify your genome WITHIN your genome.  It is not cosmically acceptable to modify your genome with non-hominid genetics.  The Illumines (family groups) ancestors were busted trying to turn themselves into super soldiers.  This is where the racism stems.  

The ancient global war was not forgotten by either side.  The Illumined/Alumbrados have been blood enemies of the Celtic Diaspora who openly opposed them and continue to do so, led by the maritime globe trotting Aes Dana (Tuatha Danann) for generations ever since.  Don't believe me?  Go look at the slavic  (hidden in remote slavic nations, like the one in Ukraine) based bioweapons labs and what research they've been doing on the celtic diasporas genome world wide.  Can you say genetically keyed diseases?

Bass-turds.... GEICO Commercial:  "We totally see you Karl!"

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Post by GSB/SSR Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:41 pm

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/why-edward-winslow-plymouth-hero-thanksgiving-180961174/

Almost everything we know about the first Thanksgiving in 1621 is based on a few lines from a letter.

"Our harvest being gotten in, our governor sent four men on fowling, that so we might after a special manner rejoice together, after we had gathered the fruits of our labors; they four in one day killed as much fowl, as with a little help beside, served the Company almost a week, at which time amongst other Recreations, we exercised our Arms, many of the Indians coming amongst us, and amongst the rest their greatest king Massasoit, with some ninety men, whom for three days we entertained and feasted, and they went out and killed five Deer, which they brought to the Plantation and bestowed on our Governor, and upon the Captain and others. And although it be not always so plentiful, as it was at this time with us, yet by the goodness of God, we are so far from want, that we often wish you partakers of our plenty."

–Edward Winslow, December, 1621

Not surprisingly, the sparse details of the harvest festival Winslow describes bears little resemblance to the turkey-and-pigskin-imbued holiday most Americans celebrate on the fourth Thursday of November.


Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/why-edward-winslow-plymouth-hero-thanksgiving-180961174/#6q16ud9P0Ko47f1K.99



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