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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:16 am by Cyrellys

The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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    Post by Cyrellys Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:08 pm

    Hospitality and commemorative feasts are an ancient tradition for all the Peoples whose origins were  in the British Isles and North Western Europe.  They are an act of community and camaraderie.  They affirm our ties to friends and family; affirm our successes and achievements, great or small.  

    They are a sacred event in that no hand of war is lifted, and all guests are honored.  A great Peace is recognized and upheld during such events.  It is akin to it being taboo to attack a funeral or wedding party.  There are some things you simply do not do.

    By and large the vast majority of colonists held no animosity against the land's native inhabitants and friends and intermarriages attest to that aplenty.  There have always been a handful of bad actors on both sides of the 'seeming' demarcation lines who've sought to ruin the landscape for all present.  That will probably always be the case so long as there are criminals among the human race.  We all manage criminality as best as can be done...but we must all be mindful that criminal acts whether it comes in the form of theft, dishonesty or biowarfare stems from the criminally inclined in the first place...it is the nature of an evil or opportunistic amoral individual to act in self-interest rather than in the civil interest of their people.  

    It is our responsibility to not confuse bad actors with the rest of the population...creating a sour tune.  

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    Post by SurfBum Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:05 pm

    Why does the past matter now?

    What can we learn from it that will bring us more peace and unity today?

    How can we let go more and more of the mirages so we can enjoy more of what is real?

    How can we find more trust and love in ourselves and others?

    We cannot choose our ultimate fate but we can rise to meet it.
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    Post by dan Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:51 am

    And, if I’ve got to be the Antichrist, I guess it’s best to be the retrospective/stealth Antichrist.  Or, IOW, Lord have mercy on my soul.

    We were just double regicides.  Now, we’re triple regicides..... nothing new under the Son.

    We met God in Jesus.  We killed God through Jesus.  Now, we get to kill the God killer.  Hallelujah.  Amen.  Mission accomplished?

    It’s called substitutionary atonement.  

    When Atlas shrugged, you can be sure that chicken little was around somewhere.  

    If you push objectivism to its extreme, you have subjectivism.  Holding up the sky is also bearing the weight of the world. The burden of sapience.  The Rapture is our shrug.  

    This is our world, and we’ll shrug if want to.  God can’t, so we can.  

    So we must. So we will.

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    Post by Cyrellys Fri Nov 23, 2018 9:46 am

    Aaron wrote:Why does the past matter now?

    What can we learn from it that will bring us more peace and unity today?

    How can we let go more and more of the mirages so we can enjoy more of what is real?

    How can we find more trust and love in ourselves and others?

    We cannot choose our ultimate fate but we can rise to meet it.

    @Aaron

    It matters because your ability to recognize the pathways that will bring more peace and unity; to recognize your responsibilities in relation to that peace and unity; to recognize the mirages vs tangible evils that will affect the outcome if left unchecked, all depends on your knowledge of the past, and the identity of the soul group to which you belong.  These are the foundation to your life choices in any given situation.  

    No you cannot choose your ultimate fate, but it is the history and your knowledge of it that gives you the conscious choice of when and how you choose to rise to meet it.

    This is why the deep water ship that was built as the vehicle for the new Guardians is a moralistic society and a Constitutional Republic to enable the greatest substantive restraint possible upon illicit conscription of power...so that you have the greatest possible choice.

    The Pursuit of Excellence is the Pursuit of Happiness a key aspect to the Pursuit of All-Being, and that is defined by each individual within a historical and ideological context.

    That context provides for your ability to recognize who is who and what is what in the landscape...you cannot be a active creator, part of the collective achievement, or recipient, of the peace and unity without it.

    A stump is a stump...but a living participating tree takes CO2 and makes Oxygen which all life flourishes upon.

    @Dan, take your small world concept and be the Tree of Life not the AntiChrist.  Choose.  The door is held open for you, is not OMF your proof?

    We are lifting the ship from its watery grave, scrubbing it clean and setting it aright on its original path once more.  What is the power of perception?  What is the moving force of epiphany, hope, and expectation refreshed?  The Word is alive in each Guardian.


    The whisper that roars has been sent out to the Sleepers in the name of Source.  #GreatAwakening





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    Post by Big Bunny Love Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:33 am

    The way is not to rise, it is to descend.

    Down down down...

    The snow bunnies who cling to the light or dark are broken, the best possible broken.

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    Post by SurfBum Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:52 am

    It is counter intuitive.

    To rise you must descend.

    Our ultimate destiny is death, so to rise to death is to descend back to the earth from whence we came.

    Ashes to ashes dust to dust.

    That is the way to peace and rest.

    The river will take us there if we let go.

    Sit back and enjoy the ride and try not to try too hard.

    Wink

    Always in this moment now you are both alive and dead, a Shrodingers cat.

    We find balance between the two in non-action and relaxed focus on the Now Now Now...

    In simple balance there is a perfect union of contrary things.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:06 am

    “As a Greek poet, Parmenides journeyed to the place where all opposites meet.

    The point where day and night both come out from, the mythical place where earth and heaven have their source. And that’s why he describes the gates he comes to us having their threshold in Tartarus but ‘reaching up into the heavens’. They’re where the upper and the lower meet, at exactly the same point where earlier poets had described Atlas standing with his feet in the lower world but holding up the heavens with his head and hands.

    This is the place that gives access to the depths and also to the world above. You can go up and you can go down. It’s a point on the axis of the universe: the axis that joins what’s above and what’s below. But first you have to descend to this point before you’re able to ascend, die before you can be reborn. To reach there, where every Destiination is available and everything merges with its opposite, you have to go down into the darkness—into the world of death where night and day both come from.”
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    Post by Cyrellys Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:04 pm

    Aaron wrote:It is counter intuitive.

    To rise you must descend.

    Our ultimate destiny is death, so to rise to death is to descend back to the earth from whence we came.

    Ashes to ashes dust to dust.

    That is the way to peace and rest.

    The river will take us there if we let go.

    Sit back and enjoy the ride and try not to try too hard.

    Wink

    Always in this moment now you are both alive and dead, a Shrodingers cat.

    We find balance between the two in non-action and relaxed focus on the Now Now Now...

    In simple balance there is a perfect union of contrary things.



    You've accepted the way of satanism it seems?  Do nothing?  Focus on the Now?  Stuck in a rut in the doldrums?

    The world has become filled with worse than 'contrary things' due to a pacification of the Guardians.  It is why in 1975 a member of the First Navy pled with a 5 year old Aes Dana to "help them remember who they are."

    Punting Schrodingers Cat - I dare you to see this in VLC Media Player

    Yes this is occurring on your watch pacifist...it's only the start.  Worse awaits if the Guardians do not embrace their original identity and act accordingly.


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    Post by hobbit Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:32 pm

    Cyrellys,


    Thank You for posting that video link of Field mcConnell.

    It is refreshing to hear the truth, it has a resonance that rings pure.

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    Post by SurfBum Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:39 pm

    He alone is great and happy who fills his own station of independence, and has neither to command nor to obey.

    Give me liberty or give me death.

    Don't tread on me Aes Dana.
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    Post by Cyrellys Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:01 pm

    Aaron wrote:He alone is great and happy who fills his own station of independence, and has neither to command nor to obey.

    Give me liberty or give me death.

    Don't tread on me Aes Dana.

    ah ha!  Schrodingers Cat hasn't eaten your soul after all, heir!
    Good to see you still alive enough to kick back.  
    Now get up off the damnable doldrums.

    Edit to add:  Now go to the Schrodinger Cat 'link to video'.  Download it to view.  Know the score of what we're up against.  It is unmercifully short.

    When you're done with that...help Dan.  I mean actually help him work it out rather than be enslaved to the same inhuman predatory ideology the globalism is spewing.  Not passivism as activism.  That's horse crap and somewhere in you, you know its a cop out.


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    Post by Cyrellys Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:05 pm

    hobbit wrote:Cyrellys,


    Thank You for posting that video link of Field mcConnell.

    It is refreshing to hear the truth, it has a resonance that rings pure.

    hobbit

    You are welcome Hobit.  Field McConnell is a fine example of the courage and fighting spirit the colonial Aes Dana seen in the Colonists which resulted in the designation of the heirs.  Eire and Caledonia still has that a plenty too.


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    Post by SurfBum Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:20 pm

    Nature does not hurry yet everything is acomolished. -Lau Tzu

    The purest form of activism appears to most as passivism.

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    Post by Cyrellys Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:28 pm

    Cyrellys wrote:
    Aaron wrote:He alone is great and happy who fills his own station of independence, and has neither to command nor to obey.

    Give me liberty or give me death.

    Don't tread on me Aes Dana.

    ah ha!  Schrodingers Cat hasn't eaten your soul after all, heir!
    Good to see you still alive enough to kick back.  
    Now get up off the damnable doldrums.

    Edit to add:  Now go to the Schrodinger Cat 'link to video'.  Download it to view.  Know the score of what we're up against.  It is unmercifully short.

    When you're done with that...help Dan.  I mean actually help him work it out rather than be enslaved to the same inhuman predatory ideology the globalism is spewing.  Not passivism as activism.  That's horse crap and somewhere in you, you know its a cop out.


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    Post by cwallatruth Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:20 pm

    "Overachiever
    Go over and believe her
    She speaks only truth"


    "Express the Monad
    In the heart of the struggle
    Pumping harmony"
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    Post by dan Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:28 am

    Thank you, Cy,

    We seem to have settled back down, having welcomed AC into our midst, and continuing with the best possible Disclosure........ chicken little being the best possible discloser...... being the best possible Antichrist.  

    Admittedly, my girlfriend’s grandad tried to claim priority, but he did not know enough physics to pull it off.  

    I see that smelly is still down on rationality.  I’m not sure how he gets off on irrationality.  Irrationality is like spilt milk...... all you can do is wipe it up, before someone slips in it.  

    The BPW has the best amount of irrationality, which is zero, if I’m not mistaken.  

    The only thing that is irrational is the apeiron, which can be manifested only in love.  The Creator’s love for Creation is unbounded.  

    Does this mean that Creation is unbounded?  

    It is unbounded, but only in a qualitative sense.  Only disappointed love can drive you to destroy yourself, which is one manifestation of that infinity.  

    Once you’ve seen Paris, you’ll go back to the farm, only over your own dead body.  

    This explains the scientific refutation of Paris..... it’s just a mirage.... don’t eat your heart out.  Thus does Creation go on about its business.  

    Until the Antichrist.  The Antichrist calls out Creation, for what it is.  

    Creation has no choice, but to be rational, up to the point of infinite Agape.  Creation is a fool for love.  That discarded brick is our cornerstone...... the foolishness of the cross.  

    If you don’t believe in the infinity of simplicity, study the Mandelbrot.  That is the mathematical model of the Monad.  We are all the little brots..... soulmates, one and all.  

    The BPW is a gleam in the eye of the cosmic Mother....... of cosmic potency...... from the git go..... don’t leave home without it..... you might as well forget your sapience.  

    John Wheeler understood it all..... he was just too nice for Vegas.  Someone was going to have to get their hands dirty.  


    12:40........

    Spiritual evolution....... the holy comforter of new agers.  

    smelly will set you straight on that one, won’t you, smelly?  

    You may enter the kingdom only by being born again.  To be born again, you have to be willing to lie, cheat and steal..... steal candy from a baby.    


    So what’s next.......?

    Is the Lake our sucker hole......?

    It may be, but I’m a sucker for love.  

    Is there any love at the Lake?  Not a whole lot...... but there seems to be plenty of entanglement.  

    Portals are about entanglement....... just ask John.  

    The world is full of entanglement, but where are the portals?

    The simple answer....... the world is a portal.

    Each one of is a window on the world. Each one of us shines our coherent lamp on the void of pure potency. Now we see through that glass darkly. Then the sky will fall.

    Are you ready for it, AC? Believing is seeing.......



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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:25 am

    dan wrote: 

    Admittedly, my girlfriend’s grandad tried to claim priority, but he did not know enough physics to pull it off.  

    Your girlfriend's granddad? Is he - like -100?

    I've seen Paris. Like in Strasbourg now! Or do you mean the judgement thereof? ooolala!

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    Post by dan Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:28 am

    PF,

    He would be more like a hundred and forty, bless his soul.  

    He was born a little bit too early.  

    So what chance do I have against the billions of scientists and other modernists out there, who believe in the big world?  They’ve got all the facts, very nicely corralled.  They don’t need my bull.  

    In the end, though, I don’t think it’ll be much of a contest.  They will simply roll over and play dead.  

    Science has been too successful.  All of science is based on the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics.  The more you think about it, the more unreasonable it becomes.  

    Physicists know this instinctively....... the more we understand the world, the more it looks like a great thought than a great machine.



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:39 am

    Dan, I am sorry you are blind to the subtle in yourself and around you, not all of us are lame and blind.

    It must be very difficult alone for you, been there. I can assure all here, Dan has not stood before his gods and been sifted, that’s obvious, he has the smell of Death and ignorance on him.

    You stand no chance against them in your current state Dan. Hang it up and play your own game or a harp Dan Wink

    And again, you over simplify and misquote, I said reason and mysticism combine and neither can be ignored.

    But after all this time Dan, I don’t have any expectations you will unify the opposites.

    That’s your bag man, the smelly goat isn’t as stupid as you are and certainly has his eyes open to the signs and goes with the flowz.

    As I am the flow here, get some.


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    Post by dan Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:47 am

    smelly,

    Show me one mystic who is a materialist, or even a dualist.  

    Are you going to tell us that you no longer believe the world is an illusion?

    There are only two kinds of mystics......

    1) those who think the world is the worst possible illusion

    2) those who think it’s the best.

    Which are you?
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:52 am

    We are dualism and monism and nihilism.

    There are no sides.

    It is a synthesis.

    The world is illusory, not an illusion.

    It’s uo to us to descend into the unconscious to win our prize.

    But you don’t know how to do that old man, do you Wink

    No, you can’t show anyone, because you haven’t done it.

    This work is too subtle for you Dan.

    You listen to nothing and just swing blindly.

    The muppets can ignore the subtle and you can hide it from them.

    But you will never stop this.

    Your words are empty for me.

    Maybe you should listen, but you won’t.

    So this is where we stand.

    You on one side of the abyss and me on the other.

    That’s the best possible world if I ever saw one.

    Bahahaha


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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:56 am

    smelly wrote:There are no sides.

    It is a synthesis.

    The world is illusory, not an illusion.

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    Bahahaha

    Do any of you people stop drinking?
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:58 am

    I smoke and see Daimons in the mist. I whisper with what is no longer invisible. I incubate Darkness. Because the light comes from the darkness. I don’t drink really, Dan is the embiber, of much ignorance, bahahaha.

    The Gods speak through silence and look sad to our eyes.

    And sometimes you see pink elephants.

    It’s ironic because philosophy is grounded in the mystic.

    Dan doesn’t embrace Parmenides even, a true mystic poet and seer.

    Ah well, it’s always been like this in the modern era.

    Plato hid the treasure well, but I have seen through his lies.

    Who is digging for it?

    Which muppets are smart enough to shut up and dig?!

    It’s prickles and goo. I will never be free of the prickles and Dan you will only sink deeper into the goo.

    That’s the best possible world, prikly goo.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:18 am

    I’ll end with this. Dan misquotes and lies and I know very ignorant about who and what he is and what is happening.

    Judge for yourself ultimately.

    Don’t listen to the tricksters.

    Laugh at them.

    They are all laughing at all of us.

    ...

    “For thousands of years now, the beginning of western philosophy has systematically been split off and dissociated from the kind of practices we’ve come to think of as ‘magical’. The process has been a long an determined one; it almost succeeded. But those ancient connections are calling out again to be acknowledged–and it’s good to have some sense of the real issues involved.

    Talking about how philosophy and magic once were two halves of a whole might sound an interesting historical topic. But basically it’s not a matter of history at all. And neither does it mean we just need to be more aware of how irrationality has come to be separated off in our lives from rationality; nor does it even mean we should be making a greater effort to bring everything that seems unreasonable into some harmony with reason. If we think it’s enough to do any of that we’re still missing the main point, because all these distinctions between rational and irrational are only valid from the limited standpoint of what we call reason.

    When rationality is really combined with irrationality, then we begin to go beyond them both. something else is created, something quite extraordinary that’s timeless–and yet entirely new. Then we start seeing the illogicality of everything that normally is considered so reasonable. And we come face to face with an implacable fascinatingly coherent logic.

    This is the logic that Parmeneides tried to introduce to the West: a logic that questions everything, that was meant to turn people’s lives and values upside down. But we managed to take the easy way our, the reasonable way.

    We turned his teaching upside down instead.

    It’s quite an achievement. We’ve actually succeeded in creating the illusion that we’re wiser than people used to be.”

    It’s moron muppets all around, a world peopled by blind ignorant muppets lying to each other for pride and greed.

    My beautiful blue marble polluted by ignorance and stupidity.

    What is One to do
    No one here has a clue
    I guess it’s all just prickly goo


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