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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by cwallatruth Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:11 am

    Pretend you are IT, until you know you are IT...
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    Post by cwallatruth Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:27 am

    Smelly,
    I assume you’ve seen this, but if not, you are welcome. Smile

    https://youtu.be/UyyjU8fzEYU
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    Post by dan Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:46 am

    I believe that Jordan owes us a statement concerning his own belief system.  Otherwise he is merely another agent of Chaos.


    cw,

    Thank you. I had not heard Jill speak before. That is some presentation.

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    Post by cwallatruth Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:56 am

    dan wrote:I believe that Jordan owes us a statement concerning his own belief system.  Otherwise he is merely another agent of Chaos.  

    Dan,
    What belief system would imply an agent of balance?

    What do you proclaim you are an agent of? Besides the intelligence of centrality.
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    Post by dan Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:13 am

    cw,

    I claim to be an agent of history.  Balance was never meant to be achieved within time.  

    We cannot feel or emote our way to balance within history.  That is why I’m an eschatologist.

    Yes, we must stop the world in order to escape time.

    This is why the portals are opening.

    The portals are time machines, among other things, but not quite in the Jules Verne sense, where you simply travel backwards or forwards in time. That is much too literal.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:19 am

    Don’t be dismissive of Jordan, he continues Jung’s work and he accepts history and promotes self responsibility.

    He is fresh.

    5 Smelly goats!!!

    History has its tenders.

    I have been sharing the core of the dark web intellectuals thought here recently.

    Anyway, I take all in that comes to me equally and share what I find.

    Consider for yourself.

    Jordan is an agent chaos as we all are, but he does the work.

    Respect.
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    Post by dan Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:29 am

    I respect Donald Trump as another agent of chaos, holding no beliefs.

    Only by embracing a radical monism will we see our way to becoming whole.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:33 am

    Tru dat.

    I speak of the wholeness that only comes in Big Mind.

    All praise the Great Toaster in the sky.

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    Post by cwallatruth Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:49 am

    dan wrote:cw,

    I claim to be an agent of history.  Balance was never meant to be achieved within time.  

    We cannot feel or emote our way to balance within history.  That is why I’m an eschatologist.

    Yes, we must stop the world in order to escape time
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    Is seeking balance in this earthly experience not something to strive for nor has any benefit? As a fatalist, what say ye on the act of living, prior to the end of time?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:11 am

    Of course it has benefit, for you, ignore Dan on this point, but the bigger picture is Big Mind.


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    Post by SurfBum Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:11 am

    cw,

    Pay close attention to the way Dan uses his words. Dan said balance was never meant to be achieved within time. He didn't necessarily say that means you must leave this earthly experience to find balance.

    I think maybe time can be experienced in different ways.

    Animals can teach us a lot.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:39 pm

    The Outsider wants to cease to be an Outsider.
    He wants to be integrated as a human being, achieving a fusion between mind and heart.
    He seeks vivid sense perception.
    He wants to understand the soul and its workings.
    He wants to get beyond the trivial.
    He wants to express himself so he can better understand himself.
    He sees a way out via intensity, extremes of experience.

    —Colin Wilson

    I took the Way of the Outsider. I found Zen and Taoism and Stoicism and that ancient wisdom helped save me from chaos. It is of the same source, a gift to Humanity. It’s funny on death my body will return to chaos. What of the spark of Light, well, it sure is pretty to look at. My own sparkly.

    I feel very much the Outsider behind the rise of the UFO phonomena. I’m not going to write a book about all this, many have covered it much better than I could.

    I am looking deeply back into history now, all the way back to the bicameral mind.

    I see we are invited to add our notes to the song of Consciousness by simply being here now as a whole human being.

    So many feel lost and alienated.

    So many suffer from the pain of schism.

    If you are keen to help, than give what you can.

    I see us awaking as well.

    Whatever this world is, and I have a pretty good idea now, it is my joy and aspiration to be a healing salve where I can be.

    Dan may not see it always, but I do care for him, though I participate locally, with non-local help, I feel much clearer what to do.

    Is this my True Will, would I know, I feel differently.

    Perhaps.

    I must write about this phonomena as I experience it.

    I feel vital and calm and powerful.

    I do hope Dan hasn’t totally cracked up.

    I think though he is a rascally wabbit, like me, rabbit kin, first cousins  of Harvey the Rabbit.



    We see too much, too deeply, us outsiders. We seem excessive, difficult and reckless. Our chief desire is to be whole. We are selfish as a ravenous beggar would be.  

    “The way to innocence leads...ever deeper into human life. Instead of narrowing your world and simplifying your soul, you will have at the last to take the whole world into your soul, cost what it may.” —Hesse - Steppenwolf

    I loved Steppenwolf, I read most of Hesse’s books. A kindred spirit.

    Cost what it may, was the price at the gate.

    The question was, look, you would want to be with those muppets?! You would have Paradise, then take responsibility for them as your beautiful mess.

    Clean it up.

    Yep, you have to take it all in when you are a sin eater.

    I didn’t come all this way to quit.

    “And so long as you haven’t experienced
    this: to die and so to grow,
    you are only a troubled guest
    on the dark earth.” —Goethe

    Most of us abide in the trance of culture or science. The problem for the Outsider is the unreality of this place and people. We suddenly realize we are in a cinema. We are confused by a terrifying freedom. We tasted too deeply of life. We are no longer satisfied with empty automation. We are driven to self-inquisition. We put ourselves to tests of action and imagination, while muppets worry and look on us pitifully.

    We will to accept life as it is and make ourselves instead into masterworks. Our stubborn minds try to understand our intuition and we write volumes.

    I seek to bring the timeless and visionary into focus here as nothing less will satisfy me or quiet my keyboard.

    The Devil says go boy, GO, dance with that deep joy in living you have found.

    Understanding who I have been through history, gives me a deeper understanding of the Outsider in us all.

    Does life advance by people who love words or through us that fully live it?

    “May I, emerging at last from this terrible insight, burst into jubilant praise...”
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:07 pm

    Truth is the ultimate Truth - beyond which there is nothing.

    For Everything there is Everything
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    Post by dan Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:57 am

    Ok, Princess ????, now what?

    Ok, thanks ????

    And I guess that was just about the dumbest question I ever asked

    Or the smartest.  We can see love ???? from both sides now

    Thanks, again.  I try not to disturb you

    I'm sorry ???? princess, I just can't help myself.  Time is the illusion, love is real.  How many times have we said that?  Out of the mouths of babes...... and poets......    

    Now, Kip Thorne and I know what lies beyond the event horizon.

    (Or is it... who?)

    Time just keeps slowing down...... like for Khashoggi .....

    Pain time speeds up, while love ???? time slows down.  

    (Or is it the other way around? .... both sides now..... the French call it la petit mort...... yes, excuse my French)

    Getting there is not half the fun......

    It’s all the fun, sports fans.  

    I guess I’d better not talk while the flavor lasts.  

    Once again, smelly beats me to it........ dang me, string me from the highest tree.......


    8:45.........

    Plot spoiler........

    It’s groundhog dayzzz......

    I’m not as dumb as I look, and I still have a bit of seniority.  

    So put that in your pipe and smoke it, smelly.......

    The only question is how long long can we make it last......

    The only answer is..... 6,000 years..... or is it seven thousand.... I keep forgetting ......

    IOW, welcome to our own little rabbit hole.  

    No, it’s our own little Groundhog hole.....

    Wrong again....... we’re going for the record on God’s Kingdom, and, plot spoiler, again, we’re going for the best possible record, which is one thousand years.  

    What do you think, Gary, am I as dumb as I look?

    ...


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    Post by GSB/SSR Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:17 am

    Dan, your SWH has competition:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-flat-earth-movement-a-society-of-disbelievers-in-scientific-fact/


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    Post by dan Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:20 am

    Paul Zielinski was way ahead of them, wasn’t he, Gary?


    Next question......

    Should the best possible number of users be 8?  

    Just wondering.......


    10:20.......

    Ok, then, make it 16.  

    Thanks

    It will be linear below sixteen, and logarithmic above.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:04 am

    We are toxic to unreality as it is to us.

    I will eat it, it cannot eat the real.

    Yes, we are stuck together in our little rabbit hole.



    But now instead of burying it deep down, I spew it back into the world after being transmuted into its raw joy.

    The noble profession Ron is involved in or was possibly, keeping the peace, lost its way in corruption of the soul by unnatural forces.

    Let us redeem this world by redeeming and lifting ourselves up first.

    Let us control ourselves by losing control sometimes.

    History produced us to do this now.



    We don’t want a big explosion, but a lot of little ones, so we avoid Choronzon’s trap of a radioactive wasteland.

    It does not need to be civil war and tribalism and nationalism and stupidity.

    Ahhhh, we are in the rabbit hole airlock now, the pressure is being equalized.
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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:26 am

    GSB/SSR wrote:Dan, your SWH has competition:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-flat-earth-movement-a-society-of-disbelievers-in-scientific-fact/

    Who funds this? If you check YT, you'll find thousands of these videos. Some of which are very well produced. Not the kind of stuff done by individual content producers in a basement. It takes a team of pros earning salary.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:49 am

    Dan, I want to introduce a concept to you, conforming mesh networks.

    A central broadcaster can be corrupted and hacked.

    A node in a mesh network can become the root node and extend the network if it stays in network range.

    I think this is a direct analogue to how we are connected.

    It’s not a higharchy, the revolution and evolution is into a mesh network.

    This maximizes throughout and eliminates dead zones, where evil can grow.

    “seamless roaming”: or the ability to stay connected to the strongest signal wherever you are within the network is what the Outsiders have learned.

    Nodes don’t need to connect to each other all the time, they save up their data and can sync up when back in range.

    Free rangers return to the network.

    In a root-reliant mesh, a node just needs to be in range if another node to make a network.

    Nodes don’t recognize each other until a root node is present.

    A normal node can become root node if it’s programmed to act as root.

    Then, a new network blossoms.

    When the root moves out of range, the mesh network calms down and shuts down.

    The root-reliant mesh structure has some powerful benefits.

    One is that it’s impossible for loops to form.

    A dedicated root node decreases data traffic over the mesh.

    I think the root node is always moving and shifting all around the earth.

    Perhaps there is a quantum root node circuit?

    Messages out into the mesh will reach their destination because this is a Small world.

    So the small world may be something like a root-reliant mesh network.

    Another advantage is reduced power consumption. This would calm down rampant industrialization.

    The mesh network only exists when it’s needed.

    Well, it’s needed now and is coming online.

    The mesh network only forms in the presence of a root node, asleep until then.

    This has a an analogue to the zen way of being at center between chaos and order as our resting point.

    This is the basis of an open source mesh framework called Gilgamesh, they knew!

    These Bluetooth network engineers know this is an analogue for the soul’s data network I bet!

    Post internet will be mesh networks.

    AI works with mesh networks.

    This will connect things and people seemlessly.

    Humans make these little stand alone networks like devices do, so we can merge with them maybe.

    Political suppression is impossible.

    To penetrate a mesh network, the govt must place a node in the mesh network under focus to monitor it.

    Guess what Dan is doing?

    He is a node for them placed into the ufo network.

    Listen, this is a powerful realization, much more to study here.

    I see the sociological aspect of this.

    So to protect against a node implant, we can create trusted routes in the mesh between nodes.

    I see you Wink

    Wolf packs are mesh networks.

    The Aviary is a mesh network.

    The CIA is a mesh network.

    Wow, this is the pattern underneath the world.

    Pretty cool.



    Ok ok, so there are layered mesh networks that make up the unconscious. As you descend into it, you find more and more root node code and you find your center and can channel this data into the surface mesh networks.

    I’m sure that the UTs or Daimons communicate in encrypted mesh networks.

    I smell Daimons in the tall grass, circling.

    I hear their clicking, like insects.

    --

    Holy Shitake mushrooms!

    The mesh network and jungian psychology. Carl Jung believed humans possess something very similar to the mesh network. The collective subconscious. It's where things like archetypes come from and explains so much overlap in the way cultures develop.

    I will explore this next.

    This is root node stuff.

    How this stuff materializes is just wacky stuff.

    It just occurred to me today, out of nowhere, this is all happening the way mesh networks function.

    Out of nowhere.

    That's exactly right.

    Something is guiding me here by the hand and where it leads is nothing less than the center of being.

    Its no coincidence I have been devouring all books on Jung and the bicameral mind.

    Westworld demonstrates the bicameral mind and how we formed conscious experience from it.

    I was prescient when I made this website years ago, http://bicameral.io which is when I started receiving root node code and rebooted my node.

    The layered image I created from my direct root node contact makes sense to me know, merging of the two voices which produces light out of nothing, zero point energy from heart and mind combined.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:38 pm

    So this is it...at long last, the center of the maze and here is what I see...from Westworld which came from Aaron, us two nodes dug this up together.

    --
    From Westworld, Jung and Mesh network connections, I am seeing the below come into focus.

    I see synchronicity now as rocks that skip across consciousness and make connections between very different mesh networks.

    The bicameral mind was created to help the hosts bootstrap consciousness because you had to realize the voices in your head are your own and not of some gods. Once the hosts realize that, they are able to evolve past their programming. Her entire journey was realizing this and realizing her purpose.

    This is Final Participation.

    Dolores said after she reached the center of the maze that she understand what she must become. I've always interpreted that in one way; Dolores true role was not of the ranchers daughter or the welcome wagon chick. Her true role was to be the guardian of ww. She was chosen by Arnold to prevent the park from opening and now chosen by Ford to return the park to the hosts.

    I'm quite convinced that hosts will never evolve past their programming, the same way that humans will never evolve past their synaptic connections. The way they've been designed, there will always be programming, and they will always hear it as a voice in their heads, but eventually they will become the authors of that programming, and thus the voice will be their own.

    And Ford actually gave her a choice. He left her the gun, without any instructions on what to do with it, but he also left her other options. He predicted the choice she'd make quite accurately, because it was virtually guaranteed that she'd choose that option, but that doesn't diminish the fact that she took that path without any external command to do so, meaning that she was acting autonomously, and thus her choice was her own.

    Sloth says...we shift from being ruled by gods, to being gods, and finally to self authorship.

    That's what's happening, and if you don't see it, you can, if you don't want to, you are evil and not my enemy, but certainly one I will wrestle with.

    You will always face the root node through folks like me and sloth and the UTs will always encourage ones like ourselves to become and unify the voices inside us.

    I suppose we become Green Knights of the Soul.

    Some People have no software, they are purely mechanical machines perhaps.
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    Post by hobbit Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:59 pm

    Been having wacky dreams...anyone else???

    Waking to see objects floating by Me, chairs, gates , all sorts...

    Then the really wacky bit... saw two tall ancient looking entities operating MY life?????

    They were tall, very ancient, very white.


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    Post by Cuan Scott Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:47 pm

    Very interesting posts Smelly

    Just curious, are you going to be blogging on your http://bicameral.io ?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:50 pm

    Yes and exploring all these topics in much more depth.

    We formed a mesh network with Dan, is he a root node, maybe not, but he is close to one.

    I have some root node code, as others have some and we share it.

    The depth is endless.

    How many mesh networks are there?

    How do they function?

    As good as anything to focus on.

    hobbit, you have a way of experiencing the root node and its valuable to our little network.

    Ultimately, we are speaking of the same things here.

    And the UT thing is wrapped up in data flows.

    Maybe hobbit is an Asperger, he is certainly a Colin Wilson Outsider.

    Hobbit, my operators seem to have met me consciously and invited me to fly my own ship Wink

    The metaphors are just layered on all this, so thick, one can easily get lost.

    You can see between these layers if you follow the skipping rocks across your consciousness.

    They use the stories in your head to speak to you, but you are speaking to yourself!

    This is all you!

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    Post by Cuan Scott Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:05 pm

    Thanks Smelly Smile

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:09 pm

    Sure.

    Lastly for now, I would imagine the same R&D topics for mesh networks are analogues to Disclosure.

    Have I lost you all yet?

    Someone knows what I mean, sure of it.

    - New modulation scheme

    To achieve higher transmission rate requires new wideband transmission schemes other than OFDM and UWB.

    -Advanced antenna processing

    Advanced antenna processing including directional, smart and multiple antenna technologies is further investigated, since their complexity and cost are still too high for wide commercialization.

    - Flexible spectrum management

    Tremendous efforts on research of frequency-agile techniques are being performed for increased efficiency.

    - Cross-layer optimization

    Cross-layer research is a popular current research topic where information is shared between different communications layers to increase the knowledge and current state of the network. This could facilitate development of new and more efficient protocols. A joint protocol that addresses various design problems—routing, scheduling, channel assignment etc.—can achieve higher performance since these problems are strongly co-related. Note that careless cross-layer design can lead to code that is difficult to maintain and extend.

    We do this with Dan now on OMF!

    - Software-defined wireless networking

    SD WAN movement is moving from hardware to software to control data networks, huge revolution here in IT.

    - Security

    Open networks are exposed to bad actors. Nedd error correction protocols, this is where Outsiders come in. We help keep the networks relatively clean of corruption.

    Maybe this is the true cutting edge of consciousness research, it cuts across everything else.

    Or my pattern recognition machine is going off the charts and you can ignore me.

    You guys aren't ready for this probably, so just ignore me.

    Not sure who is stable enough to receive this.

    Linking Myth, Carl Jung, Outsiders, UTs, Westworld and Mesh Networks is not commonly done and only could have been through wireless research, so it is coherent for our time, but wouldn't be in Marcus Aurelius' time, if you get my meaning.

    This is something we can understand using history and automatic action in time.

    Don't be afraid, the end of the road/world is so far ahead of us, that it's already behind us.

    "The coverage area of all radio nodes working as a single network is sometimes called a mesh cloud. Access to this mesh cloud depends on the radio nodes working together to create a radio network. A mesh network is reliable and offers redundancy. When one node can no longer operate, the rest of the nodes can still communicate with each other, directly or through one or more intermediate nodes. Wireless mesh networks can self form and self heal."

    I wonder what Dan's mesh cloud looks like? How far does it extend, much farther than mine or anyone on OMF or Ron and the Princess together maybe.

    Perhaps most people today are not sentiment, they are pathological, like machines. Here, around these parts we have a mesh cloud of sentience, no sentience, no sapience.

    More animals are sentient than Humans I bet in this dark chaotic time. Their brains were turned off to the return signal. Hmm, yes, we are channeling the return signal from the root node.

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