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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:16 am by Cyrellys

The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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    Post by dan Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:50 am

    First topic message reminder :

    Here goes Nothing........

    The Princess is barely talking to me, and I seem to be holding her kid hostage.......

    I guess they’d better send in the SWAT team.  

    Just another typical day in the life of the family..... of any microcosmic family........
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    Links to the BPWH Glossary's 

    The first is to a partial glossary......... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t251p700-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2  

    And at the top of the glossary is the link to one of the several original mnemonic pages, grouped around April of 2016........ https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2 . 


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    Post by AtomicBrando Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:47 am

    From a story perspective, we all have a seat at the banquet table.

    Final participation is becoming a cocreator.

    That means we have to take it all on.

    This is growing up.

    Waking up.

    One has to create their life given the elements at hand.

    We are not automatons, partly, sure.

    I’ve been shown how to live.

    Will others listen?

    Doesn’t matter.

    I’m here in my life.

    I have heard the trumpet.

    I have cleaned my house.

    Best thing you can do imho is find your joy.

    It’s buried under a lot of shit, which most are still filled with.
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    Post by dan Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:34 am

    We hear about the consolations of philosophy.

    In this circumstance, we also have the consolation of history......

    We get to second guess both the past and the future.  

    For instance, I fell into the Disclosure business when I contacted the foot, in 1991.  

    Since then, I’ve had many chances to second guess Disclosure.  My speculations have uniformly failed, but each time my previous speculations have given way to greater possibilities.  

    The drama of Disclosure combining with Impeachment is just the latest iteration of this succession of possibilities.  


    I’m at pains to not allow the Monad to revert to Deism.  

    Yes, it is too easy to slide from the Monad into the Olympiad....... into a celestial old boys club.  

    The importance of interpersonalism cannot be stressed too much, except with the ultimate proviso...... the Infinite lies within the individual.  

    But, hold on, is it not love that defines the infinite?  


    6:30.......

    The individual is necessarily the repository of the infinite.  

    The Monad is the repository of cosmic coherence.

    This coherence may best be understood in terms of love/agape.  

    The cosmic coherence is grounded in persons, and the interactions thereof.  

    Cannot nature and the impersonal be included in the cosmic agape?  

    Yes, but only as it is experienced and expressed through persons.  

    Perhaps it should be stated that the Monad is not to be viewed as a person.  Christians might be viewed as taking Jesus to be the personification and incarnation of the Source.

    May the Source not be viewed as three persons?  

    The point is that persons are necessarily social.  Personhood may not be understood as an isolated phenomenon.  

    The second point is that, besides persons, everything else exists in relation to persons.  

    The infinite only exists through persons.  Every person is an essential aspect of the infinite.  

    Persons are essentially transcendental beings.  Persons are essentially transpersonal.   That is a bit of a paradox..... but it is also a paradigm.  

    We experience our transpersonal nature in love.  

    Every individual person has direct knowledge and felt perception of the totality of being....... through the Source and Telos of Being.



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    Portals abound: Meet The Thai UFO Group Convinced That Aliens Will Save Us From Armageddon - VICE

    https://www.vice.com/en_in/article/pa7qdn/meet-the-thai-ufo-group-convinced-that-aliens-will-save-us-from-armageddon





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    TECHUFO Group in Thailand Claims it has a Portal to Talk With Aliens

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    Post by Foot Mann Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:30 pm

    One hive to hide them. One portal to bind them. One Princess to rule them all.
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    Post by dan Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:48 pm

    That sounds like a personal variety of monism to me. It might even be true.

    I wonder how donald is getting on with the princess?

    I’m not the only one concerned about his state of mind.  

    He has always been a bit paranoid..... and, yes, the Democrats are out to get him.

    I’ll be happy to play off his paranoia, with my pronoia. I wonder, for instance, if he knows or suspects why he was selected to be president? Did folks forget to tell him about the chicken? That’s entirely possible...... the chicken that was supposed to be his biggest problem, going forward.

    This is a topic that we might wish to sleep on........

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    Post by AtomicBrando Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:44 pm

    Look hard enough at anything and you will eventually see everything!

    I agree with you on persons chicken.

    Great, now what Wink
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    Post by U Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:06 am

    And in Darkness a "Lugal" to Remind Them.


    In the Fishbowl, where your Shadow lies...
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    Post by dan Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:29 am

    Yes, there has been paranoia, on the part of both parties about a so-called ‘deep state’.  

    I believe we know what they are referring to....... something rather like MJ12..... something connected with the government that is untouchable...... something referred to by Dolan and Admiral Wilson.  

    I suspect that it was this concern that landed me under the bus.  

    Lately, apparently, MJ12 has morphed into an international conspiracy to take down donny.  

    Is there any truth to that rumor?  

    With Presidential paranoia, we’re only seeing the tip of this iceberg.  

    The Monad is unmoved by Presidential whim.  I have heard that, from day one.  


    9:50........

    The Monad is unmoved by human whim.......

    Is it mere whim to wish to avoid an Eschaton...... an Apocalypse?  

    What did we do to deserve this?  


    Wait, let’s back up, here, a minute........

    It’s not our fault that we were used as unwitting coCreators.  

    Did we have to be unwitting?  Did we have to be treated as children?  

    Why did we have to wait until now to be told the Truth?  

    Since when does being lied to have to be an essential component of the best possible world?  


    noon.........

    The best possible world didn’t have to include space and time, but it is a bit hard to imagine otherwise.  

    Or, look at it this way......... with what do we fill the best possible world?  

    Why not fill the BPW with mini BPWs?  

    That is basically what we have, with you and me being the microcosms.  

    And, guess what?  You and I get to recreate Creation.  In fact, that recreation gets to our major recreation!

    If one Creation is good, why not have an infinity of recreations?  

    There is just one slight problem........

    When does too much of good thing become......... too much?  

    The answer would have been never........ had we managed to have made ourselves sustainable.  

    But what is sustainable?  By most reckonings, where we are now is well beyond sustainable.  

    What is to prevent us from expanding into space....... into virtual reality.......etc?  

    Nothing in particular, but let’s get hold of ourselves.  

    Aeons of effort have gone into making ours the best possible world...... the best possible Creation.  

    Do we really want to set about reinventing that wheel?  

    We’re really asking, when do microcosms become a brand new cosmos........ a brave new cosmos?  

    Colonizing other worlds would certainly be a demarcation.  

    But, then, what are all the other worlds for, if not for colonization?  

    Ok, you asked for it....... here’s the truth.......

    All those pretty lights in the sky........ they are for decoration.  

    They are for our entertainment, enjoyment and edification.  

    But, wait, it all looks so......... natural.  

    That, my friends, is the lie.  

    Are you angry about that?  Would you like your money back?  

    Portals give the lie to our ‘natural’ world........ that’s the long and short of it.  


    1...........

    As AB asks......... now what?  

    Now Disclosure....... now the Apocalypse.  

    Have we forgotten the original meaning of apocalypse?  It means ‘simply’ an unveiling.  It’s synonymous with Revelation.  

    As I’ve been attempting to say, all along, the best possible world is a personal world....... is a small world.  

    Yes, persons are good....... the more the merrier?  

    Well, let’s just say that the making of the more was most of the fun.  

    But don’t we know that all good stories must have an ending?  

    And, wait till you see this ending......... we ain’t seen nothing, yet.  

    But, as you can see, many of us have grown very comfortable with the best possible world........ as it is and was.  

    The world to come.......... hmmm...... can we take a rain check on that?  

    But we, humans, do have a curiosity........ about ourselves, and everything else.  I suspect that our curiosity will win out.  

    We are constantly pushing against the boundaries of the known.  

    But, yes, for most of us, the unknown is just a pig in a poke.  

    It looks like we’re gonna get to poke the pig, sports fans.  



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    Post by AtomicBrando Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:42 am

    Dan wrote:Portals give the lie to our ‘natural’ world........ that’s the long and short of it.


    Part of me resists this idea as stated.

    All of nature is an appearance generating system. I would say the stars aren't any more lies than our bodies.

    They happen and appear.

    They grow from probabilities into simplicities into complexity.

    Exergy.
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    Post by dan Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:00 pm

    AB,

    Nature is an appearance generating system.........?  

    I don’t believe it is.  

    It is persons who generate appearances.  

    I don’t believe there is such a thing as nature...... or anything apart from persons.  

    The question is whether mind emerged from nature, or nature from mind?  

    If we are naturalists, we can look around and suppose that everything emerged from nature.  What else?  Why not?  

    Everything else is just superstition.  No?  


    The dividing line between mind and nature concerns teleology.  

    If teleology exists, then the Telos of nature is mind.  Then you have to decide which is in the driver’s seat....... the Alpha or the Omega.  

    Only from the perspective of mind can the Telos even exist.  

    I believe that we are being pulled forward toward the Omega/Telos/Source/Monad....... resistance is futile.  

    The mere facts, the correspondence theory of truth does not support the existence of teleology.  

    I do not subscribe to the correspondence theory.  Rather, I subscribe to Coherence.  

    Coherence is all about the Telos.  

    This is the basic distinction between mind and nature.  

    I can lead you to Coherence.  I cannot make you embrace it.  

    I embrace Coherence.  There is nothing else to embrace.  

    Existentialism merely proves this point.  


    Allow me to touch back on politics.......

    There is a paranoid style in politics.  There is a well of paranoia in each of us.  We love nothing more than to connect the dots, and doing so often happens spontaneously, especially if we are hyper alert, we spook easily.  



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    Post by AtomicBrando Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:02 pm

    Ok.

    Nature needs persons and persons need nature to appear.

    Stars need persons and persons need star.

    Stars reflect persons and within us we reflect them.

    This is Systems Thinking.

    Relatively new concept in our appearing consciousness.

    Maybe people avoid you because you claim to be god.

    You seem fairly intelligent Wink

    I know the answer.

    They are all mostly distracted by appearances and their own reflections.
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    Post by dan Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:20 pm

    AB,  

    And, let me ask, has Foot ever provoked me in this regard?  

    People avoiding the chicken.......?  Hey, show me someone who avoids me.  
    .........


    Donald and Hillary both spoke of the deep state....... donny just a bit more so.  

    Is there any one of us who has not wondered....... who is running this show, anyway?

    I’ve spent my life on that question. Every once in a while I would ask foot....... who’s in charge? Yes, I would.

    Someone has to bite the bullet...... and all I have to do is act natural.

    Do I have to tell donny what to do? Nah. #3 seems to have things in hand.

    And the way donny stumbles around, he’s bound to stumble into something interesting, one of these days. Remember that he has stumbled into a portal, actuator in hand, or, at least, so the story goes.



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    Post by AtomicBrando Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:35 pm

    We don’t need anyone to run anything.

    Fuck the arrogant assholes ‘running’ things.

    Nothing runs anything.

    That’s not how a system works.

    I have switched to systems thinking in my work and have become a luminary locally.

    A star shines here.

    Some Barfield commentary I thought interesting...

    Consider postmodern Barfield again. The appearances in Barfield’s Saving The Appearances, are ultimately united through polarity with phenomena-recapitulating the very history of that word-so that to rescue the one is to rescue the other by making luminous once more their face and thereby our relationship to them.

    Furthermore, a participating relationship between subject and object, between percipient and phenomena, is ultimately for Barfield a polar one; and there is no time in the evolution of Western consciousness when human perception has not been in fact a participating, polar agency. But there certainly have been periods when the ordinary person’s awareness of this participation has been less, or even minimal. In the middle of the 19th century, for example, such sense of participation was so minimal that out of that experience came the twin doctrines of Darwinism and positivism. Even in our own time, our experience of participation is often minimal; however, we now have the capacity to reconsider it in the light of post-Cartesian philosophy, post-Newtonian physics, as well as post-critical thinking.

    To really understand polarity at all is to understand polar-predominance, for equilibrium is by definition hardly ever the case. In Barfieldian original participation, the predominating pole was outside the human subject in the world itself. The evolution of consciousness in the West away from original participation has meant also the gradual reversal in predominance from the pole without to the pole within, toward self-consciousness. That centripetal polar-predominance probably reached its peak in the middle of the last century, and The Origin of Species along with the beginnings of positivism are in a sense its appropriate touchstones or markers. Admittedly it remains to be seen whether ecology, the new physics, a post-critical epistemology, or a truly comprehensive theorist like Barfield himself are rather early symptoms of a gradual re-reversal in polar-predominance from a somewhat imprisoning subjectivity outward toward the world and thus in the direction of something like “final participation.”

    Barfield’s is surely a perspective and a body of thought which, without its exhibiting a scintilla of trendiness, deserves a more frequent hearing in this era of postmodern deconstruction with its denial of the sacramental “transparency” of language expostulated so extensively in Barfield.


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    Post by dan Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:45 pm

    AB,

    Not to wax poetic, or anything...........

    Is the maestro in charge of the orchestra? Not really, but she often manages to save the appearance.

    Talk to #3, and tell us that she is not a maestra.

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    Post by AtomicBrando Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:50 pm

    Actually, each must release their imaginations, no ruler needed.

    That’s the way.

    People like me will rise up and there will be no one left to rule.

    We are just more of what’s here now unfolding.

    See Polyani, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Polanyi

    Knowing and Being: Essays by Michael Polanyi https://www.amazon.com/dp/0226672859/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_.b6LDbY8DX2HP

    Personal Knowledge: Towards a Post-Critical Philosophy https://www.amazon.com/dp/022623262X/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_Od6LDbCHB8HVD

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/1614276560/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_1e6LDbC7CMQAP

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/0226672956/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_dg6LDb7E9GEMM

    We know more than we can tell.

    The muppets can’t see this deeply mostly.

    Distracted I tell you.

    Can you keep up here chicken?

    This is the Dawn...
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    Post by dan Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:55 pm

    What........ me worry?

    You haven’t been thrown under the bus by a princess, very personally.  

    Who are you to talk?


    I happen to have had some close encounters with friends of Michael.

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    Post by AtomicBrando Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:40 pm

    Fair enough.

    We all have our own experiences.

    They are yours.

    I do not put anyone’s experience above or below anyone else’s Wink

    I do know this, no god or devil can compare to the awesome power of the human imagination.

    If we are frightened, we only fear our own reflections.

    We must master the reflections that we fear.

    So says the sentinel of the threshold, the Trickster, the dark man of the sacred wood, lord of the Underworld, Oberon, Pan, The Dark Angel Wink

    The Guardian is real.
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    Post by whoknows Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:25 pm

    The game is afoot and we find ourselves playing on the field of Gods.
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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Land

    Accelerationism

    Doesn’t smell very good, they want out.

    What a bunch of strange attractors, including Jorjani, Bannon and Richard Spencer and ole Nick. I was also reading John Searles tonight and about his hatred of Derrida and fights. Also saw he lost his Emeritus status for being a real asshole to young women, but damn he’s brilliant. I see connections between these strange white obsessions, messianic.

    Cancerous.

    The alt right thinks esotericism is for the feeble minded, they are realists and they are white and powerful, damn it, and white, did I mention white? And they are angry about it. The alt right is just about power and fear. The great male asshole’s last stand.

    Last stands don’t end very well. Richard Spencer is a bafoon on tape, but very clear when writing, he’s putting on a show, like all of us.

    Let’s consider our fucked United States of America. Run by the most evil organization of white people who have ever lived. No wonder so many hate capitalism, well, its only going to go faster, so it might end or we might blow ourselves off the earth.

    I’m ready for a lot of you to be let out the airlock. But then I would be corrupted deciding who should live and die. Most of the Evangelicals think Jesus is returning in a few years, so fuck Earth, who needed it anyway. Don’t get me started about those white Mormons, they are really really really WHITE, like Jesus washed WHITE WHITE.

    Are you seeing a theme here of the epic culture war raging.

    Sure, now with nuclear bombs and insane religious people, let’s add some tic tacs, and hey, why not a princess and portals and a hive too?! Today TTSA hinted on Tucker Carlson they have the ship parts!

    All candidates for the airlock. That’s so Hitler of me to say, but this is how he thought. Gas the vermin.

    Hmmm, mom would be so proud how much love we let in on earth, but hey, this is the best we could do.

    Bullshit, we can do better.

    But why would we?

    Round and round we go.

    Are missionaries any worse than suicide bombers?

    We have 40 million suicide bombers in America ready to go.

    The Jorjani connection to Trump is fascinating. I have been researching it for some reason. I have no idea why. But see, I can see Jorjani for what he is. He is transparent. He wants Humanity to thrive. He sees his people as the Way to do this. He is just another compromised religious nut at the end of the day with a big brain and horrible taste in friends. He is part of the Iranian Renaissance movement, who Trump suckered. Like he suckered Bannon. Jorjani wanted the anti-Islam whities to help and then Charlottesville happened and Jorjani resigned. I’m guessing Jorjani works for the CIA, they like esoteric nuts.

    Here I sit watching it spin around. Some story. I’m stuck in a small world connected to a lot of assholes, I guess they are the best assholes one could ask for.
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    Confused old men all.
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    AtomicBrando wrote:Confused old men all.

    Sheldrakes close, all is consciousness.

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