Immaterialism 5

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Try not to try.
The way is effortless.

Wei Wu Wei:
Do things without actually doing.

Act without acting.

Do things without thinking.

Do without trying.

Do things in accordance with the grain.

We do not cease from cutting wood, we just start cutting along the grain.

Effortless action non-action.



Can you remain unmoving until the right action arises by itself?

Aaron,

People are rational....... people think.

People have transcendent impulses.  

You suggest that these are unnatural proclivities.  

We should act more like the other creatures.  

You suggest that we are somehow perverting nature....... that we ourselves are somehow perverted.

How did this perversion come about....... only in us?  

There must be some design flaw, or some glitch in the vital force that led to our existence.

Are we a cancer on the planet...... unconstrained and unconstrainable?

You are afraid that, by pointing to them, I am disturbing the peace.  This disturbance will just spread, and it will only exacerbate our already precarious situation.  

Is this the problem that you and smelly are having........?  

But I guess we may never find out, because you will only continue to tell me to stop talking...... to stop witnessing......

Instead, I am suggesting that the way of Nature is toward our metamorphosis. Are you opposed to metamorphosis? You are opposed to having to think about it, because........... it is too scary?

Maybe it is. Why should we scare ourselves....... why not just let it happen...... in silence? Silence is golden.

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Thanks Dan

and whatever you do, DO NOT THINK of a pink elephant.

There is no unnatural proclivity.

We can only act as we feel to act.

Do not try to act like other creatures, what nonsense.

Be yourself completely.

There is no design flaw

There is no cancer

There us only what is.

I am not afraid and there is no precarious situation.

I have no problems and I don't believe Smelly has any either but I can only speak for myself.

I did not say stop talking.

I have over 800 posts here mind you.

Nothing wrong with signposts

Signposts are a good tool.

Don't let the sign posts weigh you down.

No problems
No worries
Breathe in
Breathe out
Eat
Shit
No resistance
No stress
Be like gravity
Flow like water
Follow nature
Relaxed

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh

That’s good flowwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Aaron,

We are not in a precarious situation...........?

We are in an historically unprecedented situation. Will you grant me this?

Modern civilization is literally changing the face of the Earth, and causing a great disturbance to nature.

All to what end?


Aaron has texted to me saying that he is standing down with his current round of complaints about the chicken little saga.

Oh, dear........ if it weren’t for the complaints, I don’t think anyone would talk to me.

Poor me..........

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I stand down.

There is nothing to fight against.

There is only this now.

Straight on.



I have something to say to someone else until I don't...

99.9 percent of all we do is for ourselves...and there isn't one.

Haha

When we become empty the whole universe can flow through us freely without us feeling the illusion of resistance or restraint.

Resistance and restraint are born from the illusion of self.

Don't take on the shit of others

Real combat is spontanious, not rehersed

You can only respond

Aaron,

True....... we don’t have to speak, and I can’t compel you to speak or engage with others.

I can only admonish that when you speak, you speak the truth.  

I don’t believe that you speak the truth, in fact, I believe that you are lying, either deliberately or carelessly.  That is entirely your prerogative.

I simply point out that you refuse to engage in any meaningful conversation with me, in regards to the nature of our existence.  

So be it.  Let any witnesses to this non-engagement draw their own conclusions.

The impending MoAPS will change the nature of all conversation..... this I believe.  

The entire flow of history is going to change in the blink of an eye.  At least one of us may be fated to play a role in that change.  I wish to have my eyes open to that possibility.

I can readily understand that very few would have any inclination to partake.

But telling lies.......?  I can only forgive you in advance...... you knew not what you were doing.  You were just going with the other flow.  That is what 99.9% of us are fated to do, until that time comes.

If you are content with your life, be my guest.  

You claim to have been exposed to the portal phenomenon, partly at the behest of Aliyah....... but what has it gotten you?  This is the risk that we run with partial disclosure.  It may only enmesh us deeper in the Lie, if we’re not careful.

If I were you, though, I would be concerned that any exposure to the truth may only work against you, if your mind is closed to it.  With your closed mind, it would be best for you, had we not met.  

I hope that smelly and hobbit will take this caution to heart, and not remain in these environs, with a closed mind.  May you all be saved by maintaining an open heart, nonetheless.  

In retrospect, you, three, may come to understand, that you were uncomfortably close to blaspheming the truth.   In some regions, that is considered something of a no-no....... just sayin’.  

Willful neglect of the truth...... I’d rather not have that on my record.  

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dan wrote:
I simply point out that you refuse to engage in any meaningful conversation with me, in regards to the nature of our existence.

Thats because he's LARPing. If he really believed what he says he believes he wouldn't be on this forum expounding fortune cookie wisdom.

Hehehe

This is amusing.

I'm just enjoying the pretenders show.



The way is with and without words.

The way is the way.

The play is the play.

I thank you, Aaron, for keeping your remarks brief...... kindly allowing me to continue with the BPW pretense.

There are two kinds of mystics...... escapists and embracists/engagists.

Would it be fair to call smelly/Aaron ‘escapist’?  

Perhaps not........

Perhaps ‘disengagists’, who somehow feel threatened by us, engagers.

Us, engagers, are mystical missionaries....... albeit, something of an oxymoron.



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There are many kinds of mystics, even as many as there are appearances.

It's a network of mystical masks appearing on the One mystic.

To reduce the mystic down to mere words is a vain attempt to entrap that which is untrapable.

And how many appearances are there......?

The mystic with a thousand masks?  (A little synchronicity, there)

Or have the mystics given mysticism a bad name?  
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Entrapment of the mystic........?  

It might well feel that way...... it’s more like harnessing and empowerment.  

I’m sure that smelly would love some empowerment, from chicken little.  

Yes, mysticism has served for aeons to siphon off the visionary/idealist impulse, from the rest of society.  


1:50.........

Aaron, yes, the illusion of space, time and history creates the Monad with a thousand masks.  

Our little rabbit hole, Earth, is also a hall of mirrors, a fun house, or Funhome, if you prefer.  

Harnessing mystics will be a lot like herding cats.  

Viewing life with just a tinge of irony may be sufficient to qualify you as a card carrying mystic.  

A possible upcoming excursion is pushing me to consider Bannonism....... a globalist nationalism/populism..... somehow distinguishing itself from Socialism.  It’s Bernie v donald.  

Steve is the ring leader.  He operates out of Brussels.  

It is anti Bolivarism/Bolshevism..... and anti Pope Francis.  

How is this not just global fascism...... shades of the WWII Axis?  

There may be a greater reliance on oligarchy/priesthood....... philosopher kings, no doubt.  

Hey, sports fans, maybe this is chicken little’s party.  Want to party, all you mystics out there?  

Capitalism began as a siphoning off of the visionaries in the Puritan work ethic/movement.  

Marxism had visionaries, alright, but it could never support the transcendental impulse despite the Engles/Hegelian Dialectic.  

Steve might understand personalism in the manor of karol. Opposing all this are the tribalist/socialist/marxists.

The furlough is to end by mid week.


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There is one appearancw really

The illusion of time creates the illusion of many.

Wait....

Hold on....

I have to burp...



Okay, carry on...

Tin pot wisdom for the win.

Only stupid arrogant muppets can’t receive it.

You know who you are.

When you cease to try to understand, then you will know without understanding.

smelly,

All that you are missing out on is the personalism.  

Is interpersonal mysticism an oxymoron?  You would agree, no doubt.

How does interpersonalism differ from tribalism?  

Tribalism invokes ancestor worship as being essential.  By the same token, it is very dependent on the infrastructure of extended families.  

Interpersonalism = communalism  

There is also community v society.  

Interpersonalism is bounded by both socialism and fascism.

It differs from democracy .........?



(cont.......)

There could be no mystic experience in isolation from the interpersonal nature of existence.

We are social creatures...always have been and always will be be.

We have to create the other in order to create the self. Without the other there could be no self.

In tribes, the mystics are the shaman, living outside the village...... a solitary monasticism....... holistic healers, fortune tellers..... guardians of the portal.


5:35.........

Cc,

Enlightened fascism.........?  

That may be where some of the Bannonistas are headed.  

No.  I think we’re stuck with liberal leaning democracies.  

That will leave questions of world governance and the restrictions on corporations/capitalism.    

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That is true in tribalism.

I am glad we are finally clear on where Smelly gets his fortune cookie cliches from - old episodes of Kung Fu.

And Dan is now weighing the merits of enlightened fascism from the man who wears two shirts.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=west+kennet+long+barrow&view=detail&mid=B26A0C330726BFF2B858B26A0C330726BFF2B858&FORM=VIRE


That's West kennet long barrow, the reside of the shaman, I know this place well.

The geometry there creates what the later constructions were made to better interact with what the geometry enables there, I have been in there when South American women were chanting and drumming, tripping right through rocks.

hobbit