Immaterialism 5

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Dan wrote:The author of Foot’s post, last evening, was someone known to Foot, but not to me.  

Oh really?.... hmmm Let's just say I'm not surprised.

hobbit,

Do keep in mind that Creation is eternal.  There is no particular thought or thinking that is required to jumpstart Creation.  

There is only the primordial......  ‘we are’.  
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I had a conversation with a quasi independent witness to the recent events.  

Discussion focused on Joe’s ‘physical’ state in Brazil.  Long story, short....... we can have other kinds of bodies....... spirit bodies, if you will...... consult your bible, etc.......

Interactions with the policia were discussed. One problem was that weight corrections were not made. Not sure how this might apply to a spirit body......... go figure.

Joe landed in a field, instead of the designated location. The brass band did not show up and Joe Queso became belligerent with the gendarmes.

The time elements of the two stories may not cohere too well, but I guess it’s good enough for gummint work. The other witness may have been involved in the delivery of a ‘paper’.

Things are back to an accelerated pace on the device at the Lake. Mathematicians have been called in.

Joe is a bit more amenable to some of the small world concepts. The beings that come through the doorway are really just our own folks, etc........



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All we have is apparent bodies

Aaron,

This is true. Sometimes it’s harder than other times to save those appearances.

The appearances are absolutely necessary

There is no separation between what appears and what does not

Also, there is no separation between logos and the unknowable boundless.

No separation between the personal/interpersonal, and the impersonal.

Aaron,

The unknowable boundless ........

Modern man embraces the Apeireon...... something that was abhorred by the Greeks.

The only thing truly boundless is love. Love is a mystery....... true that.

No God......... no Source......? Tell us about No Source. What color are her eyes?

To say there is a source would imply duality.

A source of what?

When did source become the source?

Source is a yucky word

God is a yucky word

I agree with Zen muppet Aaron

Bahahaha

Tell us about your dualistic and imposible God Dan.

I can 100% guarantee, any claimed God in appearance is an empty illusion.

All words are mostly yucky in how talking monkeys know how to use them.

Some of us have much better words, because they aren't describing idols, they vibrate from nothing spontaneously.

If I was a stupid talking dualistic monkey who hasn't a clue about life or how to live it, I would listen to these oracles and go inside my self.

Learn the difference if you like or don't, be ignorant, who cares

There is no source to speak of, there is what is.

No more distinction is possible Dan unless you want to and acknowledge you can only speak dualistically about what is.

We have to be dualistic to live as an appearance, I'm not denying the obvious, nor do I have any thought or emotion about it myself left, but anything more to say about it is opinion, there are no facts nor could there be, nothing objective.

It is all subjective.

I only appear and disappear as part of a process, we can call it dreaming.

This is the I AM dream where you get to act dualistically.

Even Awareness and Consciousness we can speak of is only an appearance.

I am only an apparent dualistic monkey mind, now lucid.

You can become lucid in this dream.

You are lucid or your aren't.

I in fact think it's better maybe not to be lucid for the average talking apparent monkey.

Did you read that Dan, we don't all need to know we don't know shit, but some of us know all our words are only shit.

I have all sorts of personal apparent evidence to know there is something appearances appear in that also communicates, but I can't say anything about those communications that makes sense.

But ANYTHING any talking monkey can know can ONLY be about the appearances.

This is your realm Dan, you will disappear from it shortly.

Have a nice trip to nowhere

I have counted that cost, I am not angry about it, I embrace my death every day, do you?

I automatically live thoughtless in the appearance, it can be done and it's kinda awesome sauce. That's a carrot, not a brag.

I don't brag, no one is here who could brag about any thing other than appearances.

I have confused many trying to describe it with words, including my self.

But there is no one here that could be confused and thus, no confusion here.

It's as clear as night and day to the relaxed talking thinking monkey.

You must be brutal with yourself and others if you want to make words about what is.

You are doing no one any favors pulling punches.

I fucking speak of the raw what is.

Nothing more or less.

It's so obvious it's funny, riotously funny.

Hobbit is right about Fibonacci.

Fibonacci is fundamental to what is appearing and not appearing in duality non-duality

Fibonacci is all there is

Whoa!

Ride the spiral

Keep going

Best not to think
Let go and let it flow
Acting out of mutual self interest
Life is pretty sweet and relaxed
If you are not relaxed and slack
You are one confused monkey
The BPW or Fibonacci is not needed
To live in a dream
You aren’t going to escape it
It’s pretty and all
For me, if it isn’t relevant now
Fuck it, chuck it
Do as you like
Who cares





Bim bim bim
Your words should be power
Pure fucking juice
And then die
And be squeezed of
Every last drop of being
Don’t you turn way
You don’t dare turn away
You stare that fucker in the face
As it drains your precious being
From your shell of mud
Does that seem fair
Fuck fair
I welcomed my death
Bring it bitch I foolishly bellowed
I gave Daath a steely stare
I didn’t blink
I blew the smoke
From my last toke
And I laughed at that bitch
Take what you want
I shouted and raved
Take it all
It was never mine
Though I did abide my time
With skill and ease in the end
It hurt to go
It hurt to know
I can’t lie
It sucked
To let all my dreams die
Then I simply flowed
Like water into
The Great Unknown

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It just occurred to me to offer my words and art to death and life as a burnt offering. If an honest muppet is to have a religion, it could only be life and death, for that’s all any of us will know and we all are worshipping at their altar by breathing and dying.

I for one take great joy in knowing all you talking monkeys will have to shut the fuck up forever, just like mez.

Bahahahahahaha

Agreed, if it isn't relevant now then Chuck it

however, you are a sum of two previous inputs, your Mom and Dad, you can't Chuck that even if you try. You have no free will so everything that you experience is predetermined by a Fibonacci sequence of events from two inputs creating the next output.

Aaron,

Your physical vehicle is the product of Your parents, not the driver of the vehicle.

You the driver chose the vehicle, just as You would by going into a car showroom, I chose a small hairy vehicle.

I have left this vehicle to view other places and times.
I had had very comical conversations with both My vehicle and My 5D eternal.

hobbit

How the Lilliputians do rant........

How can there be a monist theist......?  Very easy, my friends, just try panentheism + personalism.  

Creation was basically bootstrapped by Jesus, with us creatures constituting the bootstrap.   The cosmic glue is simply love.  

Each one of us is a reflection of the Monad....... as through a prism.  We creatures/co-creators are the rainbow coalition.  Jesus is the bullseye.  Me.......? I’m just the spirit of truth.  

I had a lengthy conversation with Joe Queso, last evening........

He is struggling to make sense of his recent adventure......

He is struggling with the small world.  

Doug is supposed to call me, today.  I’m quite prepared for him to continue to deny everything.  It may be necessary for his professional existence.  

Kevin was not aware of Doug’s involvement, but it would explain how he came into possession of a particular document, essential to Joe’s release.  I gather that Joe could have left at any time.  He just didn’t feel up to it.  

Basically, Joe feels embarrassed by the incident.  He compares it to his incarceration for a DUI in 2008.  As I understand the somewhat garbled retelling, Joe was apprehended in a field near the Park on Monday.  He was without medical care until we arrived in Itacrarambia, Thursday evening.  

It was at that point that some combination of Phillipe, Kevin and Ron arranged for his medical care, without our direct intervention.  The first attempted direct intervention came with my 5am visit with Sgt Santos Lopes, the following morning, and then with Kevin’s visit the following Monday, at which time Joe Queso was released into Kevin’s custody.  

When you go to the wishing well, be careful what you wish for.  And make sure that your handler has the correct weight and balance.  How much does a spirit body weigh, we’d like to know?

Joe is back on the job, fine tuning version 1.0, for private demonstrations in the next couple of weeks....... having put Brazil rather firmly in his rear view mirror.  


1:10..........

It was not a surprise to hear that Doug recalls no visit to Brazil, although he did have some strange dreams in the time frame of our trip.  

Doug appears to be serving as the consigliere between our group and the Puthoff group, which might include Diane Pasulka, for instance.  She has a new book out..... American Cosmic.  

He also pointed to the latest in the Nimitz story...... https://skeptiko.com/kevin-day-navy-ufo-contact-after-effects-403/ The Foot team remains skeptical on Nimitz, particularly on Frevor and Day.  



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Hobbit.

I am not the driver of the vehicle

The driver being separate from the vehicle is illusory

It seems to me, the best move at a wishing well, is not to make a wish.

Muppets make wishes.

Dudes abide.

"Wells"

Are where water is FALLING towards the surface.

A duality of spin exists where the ratio of implosion over outrush is 55/34.

You locate the well where the 34 spiral outrush exists.

The snow moon last night will have had the water levels rising, not because of any non existent gravity, but due to the field of the moon locally altering the ratio of implosion over outrush as it passed overhead.

The moon is the best clue into what is there to be detected, and the locations of past megalithic sites where massive insulation was created and further insulated with alternate layerings of organic and inorganic materials ( think reich accumulator)
http://whale.to/b/reich1.html





Then the shaman could trip about time and place..

Hobbit

True

The wish is no wish

There is no need for any megalithic structure to trip about time and space

Getting warmer.

https://www.newyorker.com/science/elements/a-different-kind-of-theory-of-everything

The way they do physics is how I became lucid.

Path of least resistance.

This is how the universe works.

This is a very simple recurring process that only has the illusion of complexity.

Old ideas.



Certainly nothing to get hung about.

Free your self from what you think you see and sense.

"Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the Lord; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger for ever."

I knew Richie Havens for a short time before he passed on. We had some great talks and he made some beautiful Mandalas . Beautiful soul

Reptile wrote:"Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the Lord; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger for ever."

Fuck the Lord.

He can come down here and lick my goat scroat.

painterdoug wrote:I knew Richie Havens for a short time before he passed on.  We had some great talks and he made some beautiful Mandalas  .  Beautiful soul  

He was just ordinary fart in the wind like you and I.

There are no such things as souls.

Sentimental muppet.

painterdoug wrote:I knew Richie Havens for a short time before he passed on.  We had some great talks and he made some beautiful Mandalas  .  Beautiful soul  

Saw him live a couple of times. Been a devoted listener since 67. Beautiful soul for sure.

He and Janice were much alike.. Maybe-



Some give all they have every time. Can give a new perspective.

whoknows wrote:Old ideas.



Certainly nothing to get hung about.

Free your self from what you think you see and sense.

You are an old idea