Persons within the substance of love.

First topic message reminder :

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Once again, I attempt to bring the conversation back to Personalism......

Disclosure is simply going to underscore the infinite worth and potential of every sapient creature, ie, person.  Anything other than that is simply false.
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(Please keep in mind the links given in the fifth post on this thread......

https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t313-three-in-one )

Almost done with my big Act...

I’m the guy behind the scenes, I am!
Perhaps I’ll have to tell you what that means, P’rhaps!
Props is me name
An’ realism is me aim.
Effects are me stock in trade
No matter where the plot is laid,
Nor when, nor how,
In the Then or the Now!
I’m the Drama’s weather man, I am!
I don’t live in Medicine Hat,
But I’m on the job at that,
That I am!
If the plot should call for rain,
Or the villain cries with pain,
I’m the gink that has to do it,
Though the heroine may rue it,
By ye gods!
What the odds!
Here’s the drum that fakes the thunder, Beats thunder drum.
An’ the rain that makes you wonder.
Whence it came Rolls shot inside drum.
Is the same
That gives realistic notion
Of the dashing, splashing ocean. Rolls shot like splash of waves.
But the vivid Jovian bolt
With its sudden nervous jolt,
Would be nil
If the bill
Hadn’t yet a flash o’ lightnin’
Just to make the scene more frightnin’ Electric Flash.
On the level
Beats the devil
How effects can make you sob
When old PROPS is on the job.
When old Bor—e—as is a blowin’
An’ "th beautiful’s" a-snowin’ Rocks snow cradle.
In the skies
From the "flies"
Or the wind is howling wild,
As the hero saves the child. Blows wind effect.
In the "wings"
With these things,
I’m the Bozo, lean and humble
Makes the choo choo snort and rumble
Puff and roar,
Sneeze and snore. Railroad effect.
If an auto’s in the story,
Or a horse rides on to glory, Effect of hoofs.
It’s me
Not he
That makes the noise you’ve heard
Though I ne’er may speak a word,
In the play
Of today.
You must know that I am here,
With my prop effects so queer.
Jester Friends, my moral’s plain,
In 1:he sunshine or the rain,
Things are never what they seem
Though with facts the plots may teem
Most of life is just pretending,
So my story must be ending

The way of Life is better than before,
A man has gone his way along this road
And smoothed the path for those of us who come."
So be perplexed no more with human or divine,
Tomorrow’s tangle to the winds resign,
And lose your senses in the mirth-provoking
Royal Jest sublime.

...

Oh, threats, of Hell and hopes of Paradise,
One thing at least is certain,
This life flies,
One thing is certain and the rest is lies,
The Royal Jest once freed
Never, never dies.
Let’s make the most of days we yet may spend,
Before we, too, into dust descend;
Dust unto dust, and under dust to lie
Sam; wine, sans song, sans Jesters And sans shrine.
For if we’re thoroughbreds here,
We’ll be thoroughbreds there.

...

The Jury has returned an unsealed verdict. You all and severally are found NOT GUILTY—and are released from the custody of the Court with the blessing of the bench. God have mercy on your souls.

...

Now that you have learned the lessons of The Realm of Royal Jesters, I propose to all of you fellow players on life’s stage a toast to Goodfellowship—-
Here’s to all good fellows in this world and the next—
I drink to you a toast tonight—Goodfellowship’s my text—
Not the chap who takes your hand in an idling hour, you know,
Not the chap who slaps your back as long as the high balls flow;
But the chap who speaks a kindly word when all the world seems wrong,
The chap who grips your hand like a vice and tells you life’s only a song—
What if the fellow lies—what if he knows it too,
There are times in life when the chap that lies, is the only friend that’s true,
So cavil and rant ye prudes who will, of the evil of wine and gin,
But somehow the real true things we feel leak out when the wine flows in
A fool is a fool—a cad is a cad, whichever God meant him to be;
But a man that’s a man won’t forget he’s a man even if out on a spree.
So I drink this toast to you, my friends,
From a heart to a heart let it run,
Here’s to Good Fellows, all over the world,
And God bless them, every one.

MIRTH IS KING.
LONG LIVE THE KING.

Be merciful to me, a Fool!

Jack's theory is "post-quantum" as in space-time and beyond ;-)

https://www.amazon.com/Space-Time-Beyond-Revised-Robert-Toben/dp/0525477101

Muppets, I only share for your liberation.

I’ll tell you a secret...

How I did IT

Because you can break in

You can settle IT

It costs something you prob won’t pay

So give up

Because you have to want more than not, to know The Big Truth regardless of the cost

IT takes total focus

Mistake is to label

You have to want to peel your skin off

You find many egos inside you and an organizing personality

You find something in you helps you to go inside

Your mind always resists

Then becomes still

I used Zen to observe my mind

I asked the big Koan over and over Who am I?

The world is illusory but I avoid trucks, that’s little truth

The final realization has no knowledge, it is a joining

Knowledge is relative to memory

To understand good, you have to study evil

To understand sense, you must embrace nonsense

You have to always watch yourself

Then one day...BANG!!!

Not nothing meaningless giving up...fuckin BANG dudes!

And the sound won’t stop!

GSB/SSR wrote:Jack's theory is "post-quantum" as in space-time and beyond ;-)

Gary,

on the simulation hypothesis, here is Jaron Lanier - 1990s virtual reality pioneer - speaking to the question of the simulation hypothesis. He's a very smart dude. Worth your time.

Post-quantum computers are time machines ...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/time-travel-simulation-resolves-grandfather-paradox/

Aliyah asked me to post the question...... why do people tend to become more evil when they become more powerful?

I don’t accept this premise.  I will accept that access to power is likely to accentuate our foibles, too often in a negative way, but there is no rule of the matter.  

Then a few hours later she brought up the name of a forum participant from several years ago, who had recently come to her attention.  I said that I did not remember any of the specifics.  Ron then chimed in...... Dan, please provide a more detailed background on this person.  

What....?  What about ‘do not remember’ do you not understand, Ron?  It is as if I were being accused of deliberately withholding information.  

It through such incidents that it is not difficult for me to maintain my distance from the Royals.  I suggested that Ron contact the FBI.  

So, yes, what is Ron’s strategy, or what sort of strategy does he evince?  

He is also able to maintain distance.  I get that.  

If there were a game plan for dealing with chicken little, it would be interesting to see it in writing.  I doubt there is, but there are likely to be implicit guidelines.  One does try to suss them out.  I do rattle whatever may be my operational cage.  I keep waiting for them to simply cut me loose.  It may be a bit late for that eventuality, however.  

Another way to put it...... who has gotten what memo...... what is the news from nowhere?  


11:30.........

PF,

Whatever this is, if it is anything at all, it is not business as usual.  

If there is anything, it is outside of every box ever imagined.  This is the sum total of all conspiracies ever imagined..... in the words of RAW.  The hopes and fears of all the years....... etc....

AP is a bit new to this game, and he got his whiskers singed, back on the 3rd.  

Live and learn.  We are dancing around a flame.  Do not dance too close..... you will get burned.  smelly has learned this lesson, perhaps a bit too well.  He is now our official wall flower.  He might even get back in the dance at some point.  He does pay attention......

smelly would, he claims, not blink if half the humans were consigned to oblivion.  The royals go a bit further...... they calmly discuss the engineering of the ebola telomeres..... not quite business as usual.  Maybe I should be the one calling the FBI....... oh, wait, I’ve already done that..... a few times.  


So, yes, who’s gotten which memo?

I may be the only one with information Omega.

Maybe 10,000 have information Tinkerbell...... that portals exist and governments are involved.

Information Omega is basically the BPWH/eschaton. Plenty of folks may be aware that it exists as a hypothesis, but that’s about it. How many treat it operationally? I may be the only big enough fool.



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dan wrote:Aliyah asked me to post the question...... why do people tend to become more evil when they become more powerful?

Years ago I was in a managerial position with a fairly small staff under me. One aspect of management I learned is that it's a tough tightrope between meeting institutional obligations - executing my job - and meeting the varied needs of my staffers in their personal lives and larger career goals. I also learned that those who you serve are often focused on their goals - obligations - first and foremost. This tunnel vision can create conflict. Both between higher ranking executives (or faculty) or staffers below, as all compete for limited time and resources.

I suppose there are some truly evil people. Certainly wars and planned genocides show evil inherent when psychopaths take power. But I never actually saw that happen in my little mid-management position. I saw petty disputes between mostly good people, over a pie often too small for everyone collectively involved.

power and money, tends to give people what they want.   what they want is usually synonymous  with satiating their ego which is in a constant need to make itself right , to make itself a winner .  
now this ego is unbridled .



/ my other thought about the matter is that so called evil is topical, reported on, news worthy.

a person that acquires power who is kind ,giving and benevolent may not be newsworthy .

evil sells

Evil is simply being caught in your own gaze.

Totally natural, not to be feared or be big a problem.

It’s so big and scary and dark and has such big blood dripping teeth.

It seems to want to rip me to shreds.

You must make a detente and respect it.

Good is also a force, but humans put value judgments on these things we have no idea are valid or not.

When still though, you can clearly see.

Finding stillness in the storm is everything.

For instance, my father is a child molester.

He molested his daughter and her daughter.

He did an evil thing, is he evil?

I examined it closely in him, his mind is overwhelmed with thougt.

He feels these thoughts as invaders that torment him or could they free him?

Very Jacob’s Ladder like, are they demons or angels, truthfully it’s him, all those voices are always inside all of us.

He’s now a broken man because he won’t face the thoughts.

I have had to grapple with evil in my Self, in other forms.

I met that evil inside and had tea.

Evil is not ‘out there’, it’s ‘in here’ too and we must face it.

So evil is and will always be here and we should be careful not to lose our gaze off to the side of life, for treasure.

Straight on.

Dan wrote:why do people tend to become more evil when they become more powerful?

I would say that it is that evil people just tend to become powerful.

They are most often scio/psychopaths, they have very little or no regard for others; they have no self esteem rather narcissism. No Love.

wk,

That would be my bottom line.

Sociopaths have key roles to play.  Witness Donald Trump..... a key role he has to play.  

I don’t think any of us can decide to be good or bad..... we play our parts and we imagine a better world...... could of.... would of...  


wk,

Nature or nurture......?  

According to the BPWH it is neither one.  

It is already written in the stars...... and the stars are our own projection through the Monad.  As smelly suggests, we are just along for the ride.  

My questions concern the royals, particularly.  They are very good actors and/or they ought to know better.  They wonder the same about me.  Which page am I on?  

Everyone who can is hedging their bets.....  is chicken little a page ahead or a page behind?  


wk,

My suspicion is that the world has been shaped from a timeless perspective. We are God, playing hide and seek. Now...... it’s all ye, all ye in free...... we pull ourselves together, beyond the event horizon.




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Dan wrote:That would be my bottom line.

My question is it nature or nurture?

...Concentrate on Tao
and you'll experience Tao.
Concentrate on power and
you'll experience power.
Concentrate on loss
and you'll experience
loss...

- 23 - Tao Te Ching

Forethought is not the determinant factor. We may not have the freedom to affect what is on the outside but we do have the freedom of choice within which may effect what is without.

I don't tend to care what others may think of me, but I do care about how I may effect those around me.

dan wrote:Aliyah asked me to post the question...... why do people tend to become more evil when they become more powerful?

[snip]

So, yes, what is Ron’s strategy, or what sort of strategy does he evince?  

[enip]

PF,

Whatever this is, if it is anything at all, it is not business as usual.  

[snip]

Well, I just checked the news feed and there's nothing but a bunch of political bickering going on in the press. That is business as usual.

What's Ron's game? Well, I don't know. At least, not for sure. But do you remember the lucid dream I wrote about a few days ago? It was about that. I believe, anyway. The dream is still very vivid. Colors especially. I won't tell details of the dream, because it doesn't matter. It was symbolic anyway.

My sense is this is a bird game. Real Vallee like. Ya'll are out to find the craziest of the crazies ready to go crazy on a crazy-ass mission. To keep tabs on those crazy motherfuckers.

'Cause they be crazy! And crazy is dangerous.

Ron swore an oath. I believe he'll uphold it. And if you honestly think he won't, and is about to go crazy himself, do call the FBI. But I doubt it.

A truly good man is not aware of his goodness,
And is therefore good.
A foolish man tries to be good,
And is therefore not good.

A truly good man does nothing,
Yet nothing is left undone.
A foolish man is always doing,
Yet much remains to be done

When a truly kind man does something, he leaves nothing undone.
When a just man does something, he leaves a great deal to be done.
When a disciplinarian does something and no one responds,
He rolls up his sleeves in an attempt to enforce order

Therefore when Tao is lost, there is goodness.
When goodness is lost, there is kindness.
When kindness is lost, there is justice.
When justice is lost, there is ritual.
Now ritual is the husk of faith and loyalty, the beginning of confusion.
Knowledge of the future is only a flowery trapping of the Tao.
It is the beginning of folly.

Therefore the truly great man dwells on what is real
    and not what is on the surface,
On the fruit and not the flower,
Therefore accept the one and reject the other.

- 38 - Tao Te Ching

PF,

Me thinks we’re a bit beyond oaths, and all that fun stuff.

Where are we? Well, I think folks are hanging on for the duration.

dan wrote:PF,

Me thinks we’re a bit beyond oaths, and all that fun stuff.  

Well I certainly hope you're wrong about that.

There is no greater love than love with no object. For then you, yourself, have become love itself. - Rumi

people don't necessarily become more evil with power, they just become more of whatever it is they are

power is the capacity to produce action, to realize intention; power results in more capacity to realize one's intention, good or evil

the intentional accumulation of power to control others is inherently evil

on this planet, the only species that intentionally attempts to accumulate power is humanity

Power over self is the test of true power

In matters of self-observation the view must never be construed as the viewer.

Until one becomes aware of other dimensions, they cannot see this one as the Observer.

Evil as experienced by the body seems very real from the perspective of body.

Personally, it all changed when I was able to step out and see this experience beyond normal perception and sensory input.

Until that happens you are very stuck with logic and rationality, where evil is immoral.

It isn’t, nor is good moral.

Looking into evil in myself helped me to see it all.

I didn’t have to go murder to know it.

This all turns on your point of reference.

Perhaps that’s why you are here on OMF and poking around other places.

Dan wrote:My suspicion is that the world has been shaped from a timeless perspective. We are God, playing hide and seek. Now...... it’s all ye, all ye in free...... we pull ourselves together, beyond the event horizon.

That's too bad. I think I'm going to be very bored beyond the event horizon!