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Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by GSB/SSR Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:10 am

First topic message reminder :

And for the insane, or other wise, we present:

Schroedinger's Cat is not Alone

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1004.4206v4

Beatriz Gato, Beatriz Gato-Rivera
(Submitted on 23 Apr 2010 (v1), last revised 31 Mar 2011 (this version, v4))
We introduce the `Complete Wave Function' and deduce that all living beings, not just Schroedinger's cat, are actually described by a superposition of `alive' and `dead' quantum states; otherwise they would never die. Therefore this proposal provides a quantum mechanical explanation to the world-wide observation that we all pass away. Next we consider the Measurement problem in the framework of M-theory. For this purpose, together with Schroedinger's cat we also place inside the box Rasputin's cat, which is unaffected by poison. We analyse the system identifying its excitations (catons and catinos) and we discuss its evolution: either to a classical fight or to a quantum entanglement. We also propose the BSVΨ scenario, which implements the Complete Wave Function as well as the Big Bang and the String Landscape in a very (super)natural way. Then we test the gravitational decoherence of the entangled system applying an experimental setting due to Galileo. We also discuss the Information Loss paradox. For this purpose we consider a massless black cat falling inside a massive black hole. After that we outline a method to compute the contribution of black cats to the dark matter of the universe. Finally, in the spirit of Schroedinger, we propose that next generation double-slit experiments should use cats as projectiles. Cat interferometry will inevitably lead to the `Many Cats' interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, allowing to shed new light on old mysteries and paradoxes. For example, according to this interpretation, conservative estimates show that decision making of a single domestic cat will create about 550 billion whole universes every day, with as many replicas of itself.

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Post by dan Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:19 am

Yesterday, I was in Great Falls with Aliyah and/or Ron from noon until 11pm. My intention is to give an unusually detailed account of this visit. If you are patient, you will find out, in due course, the reason for this extra detail. I urge you not to jump ahead, if you wish to appreciate my own evolving state of mind, and my still emerging speculations as to the possible states of the others.

I arrived at the house at noon. The front door was locked. I thought I heard the TV, and knocked, but there was no response. I called Aliyah's phone, and she said that I was supposed to meet her at the library, where she was meeting with her interns. Ron had just brought Kashmir home from the meeting.

There were four interns at the library, two of whom I had met on several precious occasions. Three were still in college, one was working on a masters degree in environmental studies at UMd. He was being interviewed and briefed by Aliyah. Then she was on the phone for some time with a volunteer calling from Bosnia.

The meeting had been scheduled from 10 to 1. By 2, there were four of us left, including the two students whom I had already met. For the next hour, we worked on setting up the display case for KWF, which included quadcopter. Arthur and Julia would be leaving on assignment to South Africa in couple of weeks. Ron called three times, encouraging the Princess to come home for lunch. We left the library at 3.

I had not seen Kashmir in almost two months, and she was demanding of my time. After playing in the living room, while I has attempting some conversation with her mom, she took me into her room and closed the door. Ron would look in occasionally. At one point he handed me a printout for a cruise itinerary. I was having trouble keeping my eyes open, and a couple of times Kashmir had to nudge me, but mostly she played by herself, in close proximity. For the second time I noticed a small puddle on the floor. At about 4:30 I extricated myself from her room, and Aliyah asked Ron to make us tea. Kashmir was put in front of the TV. Then Aliyah noticed the puddles and raised her voice at Kashmir for not attending to her potty. When this happened again, a bit later, Ron intervened on Kashmir's behalf. At one point, I got into the act, following Kashmir around, discretely, with a paper towel. She will be three in a month or two.

Between these incidents, Aliyah was urging me to recruit my own interns, and I was not showing much enthusiasm. She went ahead and put out another volunteer request, this on my behalf, on the KWF site.

We were also discussing my retirement party, tentatively scheduled for next July. I wanted to know if I would get a gold watch or a wet towel. Ron was working in the office, and would pop-in, once in awhile. He explained to the Princess the derivation of 'throwing in the towel'. I pressed him for more input on the retirement issue, more than once, but he did not respond directly.

But then he volunteered that, associated with the cruise, was to be a special party-planning meeting, that might last several days. This did not compute for me. At about 7, the four of us set out walking to a nearby restaurant. I don't recall anything special about the conversation at dinner. But soon after getting back to the house, and I can't give you an exact quote, Ron brought up 'MJ12' in connection with the special meeting. Aliyah asked what 'MJ' stood for, and Ron told her 'majestic'.

Then there was the question of whether she or I had met or knew any of these people. Ron said that I had, and that it was a friend of my dad's. At first, I was thinking one of the Rockefeller brothers, but I had never met them, so I mentioned Donald Menzel, and that was correct.

I'm thinking to myself...... here we go again, another fire drill.

Then there was the question of who I might invite to the meeting..... would Debbie or Deborah be interested? I said probably not. Do I invite one of my friends? He preferred that we have an open contest, with essays to be submitted, apart from any possible interns. There was also the issue of my possible induction.

Ok, I think you get the picture, but before rushing to judgment, I suggest that you google 'carry joke too far story'. I like the one about the guy who grabs an overcoat off a coat hook and wears it home. When confronted in court, the fellow said it was just a joke. The judge averred that he had carried this joke too far.

Ok, sports fans, you be the judge and jury. When will Ron have carried this joke too far? I ask you!

11:30--------

And what about our poor little Kashmir? At about 10:15, Ron joined us again in the kitchen. He had finally gotten the little princess to bed. It turned out that she was quite concerned about the 'end of the world' talk. She wanted some reassuring. I had no idea that someone barely out of training pants could have fathomed such a concept. But there was more...... on previous visits there had been talk about the status of my shoes. Twice yesterday, as Ron then reminded us, Kashmir had said how much she admired my shoes, Keen's, and that she had a similar pair. Ron speculated that this might be her unformed notion of somehow filling my shoes. He wondered if this issue had ever come up between Throop and me. I said that it quite definitely had not. And so it goes........

2:20-------

IMHO, things are just a bit too quiet, here, on the eastern front. I neglected to mention, however, that I did not rise above fostering the prospect of a bi-coastal competition, prior to 8pm, anyway. I can tell you, as her scribe, that this did not sit well with the Princess. One might even speculate that this prospect did help to move the timeline forward, by a week or two. You see how much leeway I'm being afforded, within the larger scheme.

In any case I do have a call into Paul. Yes, I hold my friends close.......

(cont.)

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Post by Bard Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:01 pm

An entire Fourteen days.....? Good enough for Gummint' works? Yes, the silence is deafening. Cy must have forgot to have the scallywag seamen replace the creaking planks that induce the Montalk-like effect when stepped on....

I'll save any Shakespearian sonnet to commorate such oddness for another day.

Guidlines as to the open contest, Dan? You don't want to leave anyone guessing. I probably should be minding my own business, but having your COF's list compete for that lone spot? 'Angels fear to tread'? Induction? Nicolas Tesla might have a thing to say about that!

If I had your address I'd send you another roll of paper towels. Selfless action does deserve recognition....Those are the good years of parenthood....

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Post by dan Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:33 pm

Bard,

Fourteen days......?? Come again......

I have since spoken with both R&A. The Princess wants to go to SF, R is not so sure. He did say that he would proof read the blog.

Paul says that Jack will just call me crazy. I don't think Jack or Paul get the 'joke'.

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Post by Bard Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:44 pm

For Clarity:

"I can tell you, as her scribe, that this did not sit well with the Princess. One might even speculate that this prospect did help to move the timeline forward, by a week or two. You see how much leeway I'm being afforded, within the larger scheme."

When you find out what the 'joke' is all about - illuminate everyone, for me.

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Post by dan Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:45 pm

Bard,

Very good. Go to the head of the class.

The joke(r)........?

It's been right in front of us the whole time, now hasn't it?

After all, there is only one place to hide something from otherwise smart people.

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Post by dan Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:13 am

Well, so far so good...... no blood in the streets.... no extra blood in the streets that might be directly attributable to Disclosure.

Or suppose we had disclosure and no one showed up? If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?

Has the Coverup been so successful, that it will be impossible to ever Uncover anything?

What is Steve Bassett doing today, we'd like to know? Did he feel the Earth move? Did his morning joe have a little extra kick?

Who has the less street cred today.... MJ12 or God? Tough call. Or how about Rip van Winkle, as in ripped from yesterday's headlines?

I suppose it might help were I to have access to the Red Book. Or, if we were to post the RB on OM. Or would it?

As they say, it's all over but the shouting. And didn't you hear the shouting? Yes, the most successful Disclosure, ever!

Hey, the return of Elvis has much more credibility.

Yes, God showed up, but, unfortunately, she forgot her PR agent. Or, OTOH, my PR agent told me there would be days like this.

Now what.... so what?? Time to get out the old wine bottle.....

Yes, there does seem to be a slight disconnect. Where is the reality check, when we need it? If I feel let down, what about those poor MJ's? What if I forgot to show at the meetup? Would they throw in the towel. Would they fondle their gold watches?

Stop the press.... this just in.... we have our first intern .... application, that is. Initials CF, I believe, not to be confused with cat-fish, so how about CF2? The notice was put out on interns.com, or something like that, and we get a response in less than 12 hours. Just graduated from a state college in California.

11:25-----------

The interview will be in a few minutes, and I'm nervous about what sort of impression there is liable to be on his end. I mean, can you imagine? Aliyah will be placing the call, thank goodness.

(cont.)

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Post by Bard Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:09 am

Bard in Color.

dan wrote:Well, so far so good...... no blood in the streets.... no extra blood in the streets that might be directly attributable to Disclosure.

Faulty AI can have disastrous effects for the future-talks.

Or suppose we had disclosure and no one showed up? If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?

Apparently, not.

Has the Coverup been so successful, that it will be impossible to ever Uncover anything?

I suppose it all depends on who the disclosure was for. The know(ers), the in the know, trying to know, or the Hunny-boo-boo crowd.

What is Steve Bassett doing today, we'd like to know? Did he feel the Earth move? Did his morning joe have a little extra kick?

Who has the less street cred today.... MJ12 or God? Tough call. Or how about Rip van Winkle, as in ripped from yesterday's headlines?

I can promise you this, when I flung myself from a perfectly good airplane years ago, PLF's were as important as the prayer that proceeded the action. Today, PLF's hold a more enigmatic frustration that forces me to ponder even greater.

I suppose it might help were I to have access to the Red Book. Or, if we were to post the RB on OM. Or would it?

What is the Red Book? The movers and shakers in Maji?

As they say, it's all over but the shouting. And didn't you hear the shouting? Yes, the most successful Disclosure, ever!

Ever, huh?

Hey, the return of Elvis has much more credibility.

Yes, God showed up, but, unfortunately, she forgot her PR agent. Or, OTOH, my PR agent told me there would be days like this.

Now what.... so what?? Time to get out the old wine bottle.....

God showed up? I must have missed it in all the confusion. I did crack a wine taster last night. Strangely enough, its absence was not really considered. Priorities - priorities.

Yes, there does seem to be a slight disconnect. Where is the reality check, when we need it? If I feel let down, what about those poor MJ's? What if I forgot to show at the meetup? Would they throw in the towel. Would they fondle their gold watches?

Thoughts on disconnect, which may be based upon my own perspective, mind you. Binary transcendence may very well be a potential future. The old jingle, 'It's a small world after all' enters my thoughts. I can see no responsible society allowing criminals to, 'transcend'. Clipper the entire world populous and run all that flow into a Q-database and that in itself may be the 'deterrent' to end much of the civil strife. Until someone learns how to hack AI open-sourced.

Miss the meeting, Dan? Think of all the times over the years you stumbled off/out of less substantive discussions, discouraged. Don't forget to invite a battle-buddy to steady you up after one too many cocktails. Of course, you may need to get approval for that. I doubt, MJ will sit around fondling their watches thinking of fire drills. Maybe MJ is trying to recruit you as their new PR guy? Of course Ron will need to find another set of shoes to dance more publicly, I suppose. Talk about a Pain in the .....?

Just 'phone a friend' like the do on 'Who wants to be a millionaire.'

Stop the press.... this just in.... we have our first intern .... application, that is. Initials CF, I believe, not to be confused with cat-fish, so how about CF2? The notice was put out on interns.com, or something like that, and we get a response in less than 12 hours. Just graduated from a state college in California.

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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by Cyrellys Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:31 am

Dan wrote:Up until very recent times, the respective prophecies of the three prophetic traditions, played out independently. It was, of course, the reemergence of Zionism, first secular and then sectarian, that gave rise, since 1947, to the convergence/collision of the three traditions, as each one, seemingly, jockeys for the post-position in the Endtimes.

Fascinating, short-sightedness? You missed the fourth! Lol.

Who ever ran before the gales? Who fired the first shot in the fight against the British, hint it wasn't at Lexington or Concord as you've been taught! lol.

Who placed the oldest set of virtues known to man into a certain Constitution? Who can tell you the ages of the Moon? Lol.

No worries. The third option yet sails and its worth has been confirmed. Tack after us if you please or continue running in circles with the other three. Shrug.

Roll the woodpile down kinsmen! Weigh heigh roll and go, the anchors r' on board and the cables are stowed to be rolled again Randy Dandy Oh! Get crackin' me lads its a hell of a way.

Bard you hit the nail on the head, with your point about Tesla.

MJ12 has their hands full with Putin IMO. HE's off the reservation and running circles around them. And supporters of the third option find him a potential contender post-unambiguous event. Not to mention more palatable in his statements than the neo-nazi proteges of the nazi-international/fourth reich. Shrug. I suppose MJ12 members cringe a bit in the face of such a statement? Hmmm. I'm thinking of the history of the last century here and the recent activity here at home...tell 'em to check my dialog with a certain fellow in europe this morning for details. He makes some key points worth considering if I'm not mistaken. Not to mention the dna of the one man who was able to walk through the energy field beneath the mountain vs the man from the Bilderbergs who was quite obviously one descendant of the opposite side of that ancient conflict via the vibes he gave off. Small potatoes those details?

I agree a spiritual MoAps is preferable to a physical apocalypse. Seems the argument centers a good deal around who's spiritual narrative will take the helm.

Weigh heigh roll and go!

Cy

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Post by dan Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:41 am

Cy and Bard,

I thank you for your extensive comments. And I do feel a mildly positive vibration emanating from your directions.

As usual, I'm sitting by the phone, waiting for it to ring, hopefully, with CF2 on the other end, this time. I try to put myself in his shoes. It is a bit hard to imagine, either way. Imagine stumbling into such jumble of possibilities and perspectives, on just a few hours notice.

But, if we are ever going to have Disclosure, won't we all be in that boat, even us, self-selected veterans?

The Princess has asked him to help us sort things out a bit. He would be her 21st intern. His mission impossible would be to set up the BPW department of the KWF. Now, this does bring up a sore subject, on the competition front, and you know how much I hate competition. The Princess, OTOH, brooks none such. How can we, how can I, navigate these treacherous shoals, between the Scylla and the Charybdis? Maybe CF2 can provide a fresh perspective.

Here would be my point........

I like it here, it's wide open and quiet, with a big sky, just like Montana. Furthermore, I like the balance provided by Cy v. Ron. CF2 has not been introduced to Ron/CF1, and that can be a little sticky. Ron can be a bit hard to swallow, in one gulp, although the Princess did seem to manage, bless her heart. And look at Cy. If you can keep a secret, CF1 is just a bit smitten.

Both Cy and the Princess are sword wielders. Even a jesus might not be able to bring peace to such a company.

Does the first blood have to be spilt right here, on the lonesome prairie? What are interns for, if they can't go fetch a peace treaty or two? This situation is only going to be playing out, a billion-fold, possibly in the next few months. Yes?

3pm----------

Isn't there a simple solution? There can be a portal to OM on KWF. On KWF there could be a subsidiary discussion that would deal more with the logistics that would be internal to KWF. OM would remain more free-ranging and open ended.

Speaking of logistics, the Princess has designated the party-planning meetup as operation Red-Cloak (ORC). There is supposed to be some deeper significance, which Aliyah is not revealing.

4pm-------

Just got off the phone with my next to oldest friend, Palmer Clark. We do go way back. His son operates out of Clovis. I asked if his son gets any counseling. He said not. This is only if there are specific symptoms. But, yes, times are busy at Clovis.

And, yes, Palmer does have Celtic roots, but going back to Armenia, which had the first national Christian church, allegedly founded by one of the disciples. One of his anscestors brought three boatloads of Methodists from Northern Ireland to Connecticut, in the 1700's. Palmer has been twice on retreats to Iona.

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Post by GSB/SSR Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:11 pm

Dan: As I mentioned previously, it seems that Ron has put Jihad high on the list of his endtime scenarios. A collision can be averted or mitigated only with a MoAPS.

And then, there is the Pop Culture MoAPS ...

"South Korean government's long-term project to influence foreign affairs through K-pop and dance moves with military precision."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28861625

Korean movies, K-Pop music acts, and TV shows in particular have become so beloved that the export of Korean culture has its own name, Hallyu, the Korean wave. In the Philippines, broadcasters have abandoned South American telenovelas in favor of Korean TV dramas, which now run in Brazil, Argentina, and Chile. In 2010 the stars of Iris, a Korean spy drama, sang songs to 28,000 fans in a stadium in Saitama, Japan. Last year a Korean soap star was mobbed in Cuba.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-07-31/book-review-the-birth-of-korean-cool-by-euny-hong

It's a great read, funny and insightful ... "It's easy to forget that in 1965, South Korea's per capita GDP was less than that of Ghana ... today, South Korea is the world's fifteenth largest economy ..."

http://www.amazon.com/The-Birth-Korean-Cool-Conquering/dp/1250045118

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Post by dan Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:30 pm

Gary,

Thank you for these additions. Yes, is there any alternative to global jihad, other than a MoAPS? Perhaps not.

I conversed with my cousin Susan in Indianapolis, until CF2 called, and we were on the phone for about an hour.

CF2 has semi-volunteered to be a focus person for Disclosure. How are folks going to react and participate in these best possible endtimes? Of course, everything occurs in the eternal shining Present/Presence.

And, yes, this is part of, heart of, operation Red Cloak (ORC).

The Princess is setting up a google discussion group that would, initially, include just the three of us, and it would be linked to KWF. Anyone to join would contact Aliyah.

CF2 and I covered a lot of ground. We did SWH, CTC, John Wheeler's cosmology ...

I will get back after dinner......

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Post by GSB/SSR Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:14 am

Dan, Euny Hong claims SKorea is planting the Korean wave pop culture seed into developing nations now, with the intention of reaping the commercial benefits in the future ... after selling them their "upgrade your nation from third to world class like we did" development kit. I suggest this might be of some interest to KWF.

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Post by Bard Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:19 am

Does Gary have a secret conspiracy he is not sharing with us? Perhaps to K-pop the approximately one million radicalized Jihadis, (last I read) into submission with charming music or just all their children?

Spiritual MoAps-shifting them to a more enlightened state of consciousness? Caps intended. Where is the wisdom of a J2 when you need it..... Just prayers for the poor little children....

One of these days Gary, dancing like a Sufi Mystic will all seem rather..... Well, you know... I would suggest not investing in, a real estate, anytime soon out there on the little prairies.

Back to interns.com, though. My resume is somewhere here on this forum if you look hard enough. Let's hope it was enough to secure ole' Dublin Ireland from destruction while Stephen from Brave heart is lurking about.

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Post by dan Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:44 am

Cy,

I noticed that you posted this last night.....

Three years to go to D-day...I'm seeing the chess players placing pieces across the board.

https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t158p435-uncommon-thoughts-on-common-things-cyrellys#5659

You're saying three years, and I'm saying this year. Maybe you and I should compare notes. We're not quite on the same page.

It may be that the date is being moved forward, due to the global circumstances that you are pointing to. You might check with your sources on this.

According to Aliyah, 'ORC' refers to the general disclosure process, which would include the previously referenced meeting, scheduled for later this year. As far as I know, ORC is her personal designation. In her mind, anyway, it would be focused on a 'MoAPS'. Presumably, the ORC MoAPS would bear some strong resemblance to the BPWH/SWH MoAPS.

I have asked Ron for additional information, like just some very general background information. He said there was concern about what I would blog. When I said that I was open to negotiation, he just chuckled.

My predilection is to maintain the existing protocol for as long as possible, i.e. continued speculation along with an increasing proportion of the 'background' information.

Along these lines, I believe that I was the first one, back in the mid 90's, to publicly refer the the Red and Yellow books. My source was Rick Doty. The Red book is compiled by us about our interactions with the visitors. The Yellow book was compiled by them about us and our cosmic context. There was alleged to be a 'video' of the crucifixion, for instance. The 'book' itself was some sort of crystal, which required a special device to be viewed, and the device had to be operated by a visitor. I cannot vouch for Rick's veracity in this matter.

Aliyah is under the impression that the KWF will have some degree of exclusivity wrt ORC. She expects me to be part of that arrangement. This is something that will require further discussion, naturally.

Bard,

If you or anyone within the sound of my voice would care to function as a part of 'ORC', beyond what is already ongoing right here, feel free to email Aliyah, and just mention my name.

Within a few more days, there should be a fairly good indication how the KWF side of this bargain will play out, and that will indicate what sort of a timeline we are on. To what degree the ORC timeline may overlap with Cy's timeline will also be of considerable interest.

11:45--------

Yesterday I began a list highlights for the BPWH. Allow me to begin again. Some items on this list will refer to advanced concepts in physics and philosophy.

It just occurred to me that we should have a BPWH wiki that will have extensive links to the Mother-Wiki. This is liable to be time consuming, but how else or how better might a larger public ever make heads or tails of my bloggy/foggy ramblings?

Ok, here we go......

* Anthropic Principle

* Mind-body problem

* Coherence Theory of Truth (CohTT)

* CTC => a pre-Copernican SWH

* ETH v. UTH

* John Wheeler's Participatory Universe

* Wheeler-Feynman single electron universe => World soul and monopsychism => neo-Platonism, etc

* Aether, akasha, unstable vacuum, collective memory, quantum entanglement, logos, apocatastasis

* Weak Measurments (Aharanov) as a model for a teleological world

* Teilhard's and Tipler's Omega point hypotheses

* Leibniz' Best Possible World

* Holographic principle, reality as virtual or immaterial, mind of God, VALIS, panentheism, monopsychism

* We are the braincells of God

* Phenomenal cycles as the basis of reality. A stable reality emnerges out of these cycles

* Chris Langan's CTMU.... mainly out of Wheeler + Logos

* Cosmology as a Metanarrative

* Averroes v. Aquinas re. the world soul

* Thomas Nagel's Mind & Cosmos.

* Strominger's dS/CFT - Alpha/Omega cosmology

* The 4M/K/SoT/X2 event.

* Aviary & Aquarium - timeline of events

* The AI problem - can there be an impersonal intelligence?

* Does the world need to be saved?

* Perpetual progress - Fermi paradox

* Self-revealing God is also self-concealing

* AZO/X/QRP - see BPW site

* Relationalism - to be is to relate

* Owen Barfield - Saving the Appearances - 3 phases of consciousness

* Phase changes and metamorphosis - also three phases

* Julian Jaynes' - Origin of Concsciousness

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Post by Cyrellys Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:22 pm

I find the difference in our D-Day dates interesting yes. I am familiar with both the Red book and the Yellow. Yes I know what they are where they came from.

I think the difference in the dates is something the observing public should bear in mind. While there may well be an adjustment that has occurred (I wont rule it out), I have my concerns that your presenting mention of the books as an indication your date is Grey Group initiated, whereas the date was told of belongs to a different collective party from the greater community with deep seated concerns over what the Grey Group has been doing here. Please correct me if you believe I'm wrong in this.

Per the greater pattern, Grey Group has sought control of this world from behind the scenes through several parties. One of the preternatural issues under dispute is the influenced parties belief they have a right to kill two birds with one stone: initiate a pre-term catastrophe initiated evolutionary leap of the 85 % or better non-survivors, at the same time dropping the existing population of the planet down to below a 15 percent survival rate which could then be easy to surpass a proposed near future bottleneck scenario. The group presenting three years from now has reportedly delivered the message you are not allowed to depopulate using weapons of mass destruction...a curious contrast, don't you agree?

So I wonder are we both speaking apples wrt D-Day or are we speaking apples and oranges? It would not surprise me in such a paradigm if Grey Group and affiliates were to attempt to precede the 2017 scenario and effect end results that leave the argument moot for already being a done deal. Now this all coincides with the ramping up of the police state and distribution of weaponry and personnel, and closure of escape routes for the general population.

Again please correct any portion of this you believe incorrect. I'm unavailable here shortly till Monday.

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Post by dan Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:53 pm

Cy,

Yes, this earlier date (2014) may be a preemption. But what would I/we be preempting if not an Armageddon/Tribulation? Am I being impatient? None of us should be asleep at this Switch.

If the door is open, I will not stand on ceremony.

Would you? The sooner we get through the door, the sooner we can start kicking the tires. Yes?

In the above list are 30 items, each of which ought to be the topic of several books and/or theses.

These items would constitute the initial entries of the Best Possible wiki. This BPWi would, basically, stand every other encyclopedia on its head. The Britannica ended up with its Circle of Knowledge. We will give that circle the coherence that it never even imagined.

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Post by dan Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:57 am

I am anxious to follow up on this D-day discrepancy with Cy. I had not heard her mention any such date, prior to my own mention of such.

In the meantime, Paul Z is still missing, in SF. Not good timing. And I'm having some communication difficulty w/ KWF. I have spoken with Bard about moving things forward. I'm thinking that a first priority would be to set up the Best Possible wiki (BPWi). Of course, there should be a companion, worst possible, wiki! How much effort to do a bare bones version? I hope not more than eight hours.

Of course, the reason why there is no competition for the MoAPS is simply that immaterialism has been a non-starter, ever since Copernicus. But, why would Nick C have been able to have such impact on the global mindset. He didn't even have a telescope, for crying out loud.

You, see, modern astronomy is built upon a politically correct foundation. And now we have the Vatican apologizing to Galileo. Again, if you take that out of its politically correct context, it is a silly gesture, even though Galileo did, at least, have a tube to look through.

Am I just being snide? I don't think so. Authority and ridicule are very hard to trace, if you ever set your mind to it, and I have, about as much as any one person can.

One might naively suppose that postmodernism would be a big step from materialism to immaterialism, but you have to read the very fine print, and mostly just between the lines, to catch any glimpse of a reversion to idealism.

The ridicule has been so internalized to the modern mind, that no amount of postmodernist revisionism can, by itself, overcome that internal censor. With me, it took Sophia plus a five-year struggle with Cartesian dualism to finally take the flying leap.

Ok, so here goes nothing, I'm googling wiki..........

4:10--------

Ok, so I started the BPWi. I don't want to post a link, but it is on wikia, and I can't even figure out how to get beyond the first page.

As you can see, other folks, and even my best friends, tell me to my face that they can only suppose that I am crazy AND that Ron is a professional liar, and, under these circumstances, I can hardly blame them.

Hey, folks, tell me something we don't already know!

I had lunch with Sam, who is just back from two months in MA. He is concerned about the mental state of Will C who met with David Wasdell of Apollo-Gaia in the UK. David's advice to Will was to find a group to work with.

I told Sam, and he basically agreed, that the climate change folks are just a distraction from the immediate problem, which is two-fold......

1.) Even the Economist is pushing the EU to engage in QE like we have been doing in the US. But, here, we are running out funds to throw at QE, and everyone is predicting that interest rates will be rising. According to Gail Tverberg, and many others, any rise in the rates is liable to puncture the fracking bubble, and lead to our first structural downturn in oil production. This would set off a downward spiral..... a second global credit crisis, for which we no longer have a credit cushion.

2.) Ron is pointing to a continued jihad escalation, as Al Qaeda and ISIS get into a p*ssing match, with AQ aiming at the sub-continent and ultimately at PK's nuclear arsenal.

1+2 would probably suffice to trigger Armageddon/Tribulation. So, yes, if we're gonna have a MoAPS, we'd better not postpone it much longer.

I now have a KWF confab to attend to.......

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Post by dan Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:33 am

I've been ready several times to chuck the wiki project, but I see no way around it. Just the prospect of possibly having an intern is sufficient provocation to making this happen, but lord knows how. Anyone within the sound of my voice, fly, do not swim, to this little dinghy, about to swamp in the middle of a raging sea.

9:45--------

Ok, so I've figured out some of the basics of Wikia. It is not rocket science, unless you have the misfortune of being a senior. Now I need to figure out where to start with the BPWi. It rhymes, bepeewee! Or maybe just peeWee, for short.

Yes, I need an intro page, like what I had on the BPW site. It looks like I'll be reinventing the wheel..... groan. All I need to start with is a glorified, interlinked glossary.

11am-------

I'm starting with the introduction, and it is probably going to be lengthy...... groan, again. Maybe I'm just reinventing this blog, as if one weren't enough.

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Post by dan Sun Sep 07, 2014 7:52 am

These are notes for the BPWi, from early this morning......

metamorphosis, phenomenology, paranormal, CohTT, symmetry/space, numbers/atoms, UEM, Srinivasa, ~Descartes, ~materialism, mind-body, anthropics, ~epipheno-mind, give mind an inch..., BPWH, ETH/UTH

These topics would be among the next up. What I'm lacking on wikia is a simple indexing system. For now, I can just use a footer.

I'm thinking that the Self-concealing God might be the next topic.

3:45-------

I'm about to start part 3 of SCG/BPWi.

I'm waiting for a call from CF2. In the meantime, Ron called. He is volunteering the Princess to make me a new website, but he hasn't yet informed her of this task.

From: Ron
Date: September 7, 2014, 6:48:50 PM EDT
To: Dan
Cc: Princess Aliyah, John S
Subject: Operation Red Cloak Set in Kashmir Stone

Hi Dan,

Operation Red Cloak is now set in Kashmir Stone, about half way between here and there. Soon the beginning will be the end, and we have much to accomplish.

V/r,

Ron

Hmmm.......

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Post by dan Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:07 am

From: Dan
Date: September 7, 2014, 10:07:52 PM EDT
To: Ron
Cc: Princess Aliyah, John S
Subject: Re: Draft Challenge Competition (please review)

We might wish to tone this down a bit. I'm doubtful that professionals would respond to anything so terse and cryptic. Where might such a challenge be placed?

On Sep 7, 2014, at 7:03 PM, Ron wrote:

Operation Red Cloak will provide a unique opportunity for a few of the world's best philosophers, scientists, and theologians to prepare for the coming D-Day. To enter the competition, review Dan Smith's Open Minds Forum and submit a one page proposal describing the position you would posit and defend. Winners will participate in a Royal Excursion with the Princess, Scribe, Footman and Kashmir during which plans will be set for the coming D-Day. Details remain under the Red Cloak, but your submission must be received by the Footman no later than 22 September to qualify for entry into the second phase of the competition.

Yes, isn't this a case of the kettle calling the pot......? If Ron acts crazy, then I have to pretend to be sane. And where is he going to place this advert, on the White House lawn? Yes, winners will get to participate, but will pay their own freight. And so it goes......

OTOH, I did have a fruitful convo with CF2. He is included amongst the KWF interns..... http://www.kashmirworldfoundation.org/fall-interns.html , 'academia'.

And while we're at it, here is my KWF blurb .... http://www.kashmirworldfoundation.org/about.html .

As I said to CF2, I still don't know if Ron is serious about a serious meetup in December. But, hey, I've been playing this game for 20+ years, and I can't just walk away from it now. In the meantime, I have to pretend to be serious, UFN. The mere fact of having a live person on the other end of the line, for instance, has motivated me to get off my bloggy rear-end, and attempt to set up a BPWi, which I should have done 20 years ago, lazy (lesser?) bustard-bird that I am.

As far as tasking goes, the main thing for CF2, IMHO, is to attempt to grasp whatever may be the solid core of the BPWH, and in that process to keep a diary/blog that could serve as a guide for other folks who also may be stumbling into this soap opera for the first time, especially if there is any fire, amidst this increasing amount of smoke. As usual in such 'operations' it's always like.... hurry up and wait.

And I did speak with CF1 briefly. He thought that I should place the announcement on various philosophy forums. Easier said than done, I thought. My counter suggestion was that we should continue to lay some groundwork with personal contacts in this area.

Look, if, in a very few months, I'm to have an exchange with some secret group, then surely there ought to be some personal preparation, such as the informal (academic) focus group that I have been requesting, since I can remember. Otherwise, I'll just, once again, be blogging to empty bleachers. I'm sure that Ron has more than a few academic sources, but, over the years, he has been very reluctant to give them up, not to a crazy person like me. He's been involved with the Jasons and with the NAS, at the least. How's about an introduction there, by way of warm up? If there is no preparation, am I to assume there is also no followup plan? What then is the point, pray tell?

Well, I guess I've said my piece, and it's back to BPWi......

12:50---------

OMG, this just in...... http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/09/07/sam-harriss-vanishing-self/

Sam Harris, atheist extraodinaire, is quoting Thomas Nagel on the intractability of the mind-body problem!

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Post by Cyrellys Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:22 pm

Hey Dan,

I'm back in.

Question...what organization is currently funding four different Chaldean language experts to do translations on a handful of texts involving the reanimation of ancients? One of which expert is said to be in the UK? Can you check?

If my info is accurate we're talking reanimation of ancient individual(s) from circa 12,000 years ago IMO. Annunaki? Or? I'd like to know who they are seeking to reanimate and how far back exactly. My first guess is Annunaki because we're talking ancient Chaldee language scripts. Phoenician or their forerunners might be a second guess. This information has a distinct impact upon what we've been discussing lately.

I wouldn't ask otherwise. I you cannot find out perhaps Dick can.
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Post by dan Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:49 am

From: Ron
Date: September 8, 2014, 10:10:33 PM EDT
To: Dan
Subject: Next Steps with Operation Red Cloak

He is people of the book stated Father of the Princess, anticipating chapters to come. The Scribe had delivered food on several occasions, unannounced and unanticipated, but the Father invited him in nevertheless. Operation Red Cloak now underway, the Princess,, guided by the Father, gives passage to the Scribe. The Challenge has begun.

Ron does seem to be waxing rather insistent of late. Is he stretching his protocol just a bit? Otherwise, I have no idea what he is talking about. If we take this literally, though, he is referring to Aliyah's deceased dad, who lived with her, across the street, and where I did bring food that Ron had prepared. And, yes, the Princess does seem to look favorably upon ORC, well, she seems to be in charge, anyway.

But, yes, what are the next steps wrt ORC? I guess I'd better consult with the Princess.

Cy,

Well, Cy, what do we think is bugging our little Ronster? Does MJ12 still exist? Does Ron have any legitimate dealings therewith?

RAI........ Reanimation of Ancient Individuals.......

Well, that does sound a bit familiar.

Wrt the CTC/Ouroboric cosmology, our descendants become our ancestors. And I have stated that my sweetheart's, LME's, alleged mission to Mars, is actually a proxy for a latter-day Noah's Ark, which is also depicted on the obverse of the Great Seal. And the temporal circumference of our CTC is ~12,000 years, in accord with the Zodiacal time frame, as treated in Hamlet's Mill.

Annunaki..........

Yes, on the CTC model, our descendants, including, possibly, LME, become the Annunaki, relative to our ancestors. IOW, Sitchin's Nibiru rendezvous is actually our ancestors' recollection of meeting up with our Descendants, wherein LME could have played the role of Goddess, just for example!

IOW, the Earth is a Time Machine, attracted into the Best Possible CTC by means of teleologically acting quantum weak measurements. This is our Groundhog Day scenario. We break out at the Omega, due to our agapic affair with VALIS.

IOW, Cy, our Megalopic future is transformed into our Megalithic past, as we leap across the Omega >> Alpha gap, cosmic spark gap, spiritual apocalypse. The Mothership of our Rapture becomes the Noah's ark of the mythos.

I understand that this is a lot to comprehend, in one sound bite, but I have made frequent reference to this basic structure of the BPWH/SWH/CTCH, here, there and elsewhere. Perhaps you and I should sit down and review it, for the sake or our fellow OMers.

British source........

If the source is in tune with any of our stuff, then we may be confident that the IC is aware, and probably in contact. Need I make inquiries? The IC serves a need to know. It does not serve curiosity.

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Post by Cyrellys Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:02 am

dan wrote:

From: Ron
Date: September 8, 2014, 10:10:33 PM EDT
To: Dan
Subject: Next Steps with Operation Red Cloak

He is people of the book stated Father of the Princess, anticipating chapters to come. The Scribe had delivered food on several occasions, unannounced and unanticipated, but the Father invited him in nevertheless. Operation Red Cloak now underway, the Princess,, guided by the Father, gives passage to the Scribe. The Challenge has begun.

Ron does seem to be waxing rather insistent of late. Is he stretching his protocol just a bit? Otherwise, I have no idea what he is talking about. If we take this literally, though, he is referring to Aliyah's deceased dad, who lived with her, across the street, and where I did bring food that Ron had prepared. And, yes, the Princess does seem to look favorably upon ORC, well, she seems to be in charge, anyway.

But, yes, what are the next steps wrt ORC? I guess I'd better consult with the Princess.

Cy,

Well, Cy, what do we think is bugging our little Ronster? Does MJ12 still exist? Does Ron have any legitimate dealings therewith?

>>> Oh I don't know. Who's on the National Security Council these days? Does NSC 5412 still have PI 40 doing coordinating? Or have they all been replaced by some other terminology like a nice change of underwear? How direct is CFR's wisemen influence these days? It has been looking to me like the whole paradigm has sprouted more ship captains than ships. And Putin's guys have been rivaling a certain CIA whistleblower's data dumps with ones of their own on the subjects. And their narrative doesn't detract from Dr Neruda's about the Central Race. The slavic communicators have so far been within reason forwarding a character compatible with the prerequisite paths that lead to the emancipation of 'individuals and life on the planet'. Meanwhile silence from MJ12 as public toxicity runs rampant making their own connective narratives based on the net library and field notes of researchers on the ground across a vast quantity of historical sites. Can 12 old geezers keep pace? I'm eating popcorn like its going out of style here.

RAI........ Reanimation of Ancient Individuals.......

Well, that does sound a bit familiar.

Wrt the CTC/Ouroboric cosmology, our descendants become our ancestors. And I have stated that my sweetheart's, LME's, alleged mission to Mars, is actually a proxy for a latter-day Noah's Ark, which is also depicted on the obverse of the Great Seal. And the temporal circumference of our CTC is ~12,000 years, in accord with the Zodiacal time frame, as treated in Hamlet's Mill.

Annunaki..........

Yes, on the CTC model, our descendants, including, possibly, LME, become the Annunaki, relative to our ancestors. IOW, Sitchin's Nibiru rendezvous is actually our ancestors' recollection of meeting up with our Descendants, wherein LME could have played the role of Goddess, just for example!

IOW, the Earth is a Time Machine, attracted into the Best Possible CTC by means of teleologically acting quantum weak measurements. This is our Groundhog Day scenario. We break out at the Omega, due to our agapic affair with VALIS.

IOW, Cy, our Megalopic future is transformed into our Megalithic past, as we leap across the Omega >> Alpha gap, cosmic spark gap, spiritual apocalypse. The Mothership of our Rapture becomes the Noah's ark of the mythos.

I understand that this is a lot to comprehend, in one sound bite, but I have made frequent reference to this basic structure of the BPWH/SWH/CTCH, here, there and elsewhere. Perhaps you and I should sit down and review it, for the sake or our fellow OMers.

>>>> No need to sit down and review it. I'm well versed from reading. Unless you'd like to do so for the 30 - 40 or so silent watchers.

2014
http://cropcirclewisdom.com/uploads/2/9/2/7/2927721/5319022_orig.jpg

Tricks didn't go so well for the ancients who built the sunken city off the coast of Peru...its 6000 feet down in the sudden inundation or elevation drop of the event 12,000 years back. There's more in deeper water on the Atlantic side. And some crop circle artist still seems to believe we're on the cusp of a repeat. Maybe we can avoid our ancestor's mistake of being in the midst of a global war, should the cataclysm happen this cycle? Where would we be in this discussion without the Ural Mountains Ooparts or the events in Bucegi Mountains Romania or Xenon 129 found on Mars (The only process we know to produce this is a nuclear explosion)

British source........

If the source is in tune with any of our stuff, then we may be confident that the IC is aware, and probably in contact. Need I make inquiries? The IC serves a need to know. It does not serve curiosity.

>>>> The British translator reportedly being employed does not seem to have any connection with 'our stuff' specifically. The IC btw serves an amoral control structure with a long history of crimes against humanity. Shrug. Whoever said my interest was simple curiosity? Truth be known, the majority of my innocent questions are shotguns loaded with rock salt. It's Synchs handiwork, not exactly mine...maybe I should have mentioned that rarely used phrase you posted here in your blog last thursday, I think it was which had a synchronous mirror in one of my emails to a different party earlier in the day...what are the odds? Not that is has any real import aside from just another of Synchs passage grave markers on its journey to identify the latest celestial navigational points. The IC are often back seat drivers in comparison - driving while entoxicated on system sanction certainly and no shortage of paranoia.

The Pope and Peres' 45 minute meeting on creating a United Nation of Religions is certainly an interesting development any way you happen to look at it...I wonder what JakeReason would have to say about that.

Cy

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Post by dan Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:28 am

Cy,

You and I differ on the question of Eternal Return and many worlds/creations. You suppose that time is absolute and infinite. That is what every modern-mined person assumes, without even a thought. I am very doubtful that your ancestors believed this. Why not? Because it makes no sense. If time is eternal, then history is absolutely pointless. It's just one darned thing after another. It is a tale of sound and fury, as told by an idiot.

I don't take God to be an idiot, nor do you. Do your truly believe that God is incapable of arranging, with us, for the best possible Creation?

What then is the point of creating a second or third best world?

Are we God's spawn or God's children? Which would you rather be? Do I even need to ask? Nonetheless, I think you just like to keep God at arm's length, while making sure that no one get's closer than you. It is natural to be jealous. Who would want to share such a Treasure?

We have seen God, and she is us. She is coming back, and, no, She's not p*ssed. All the synchronicities have aligned. Our time has come, at last. Our long slumber is over. It's time to embrace our destiny. We all are destiny's children. This is not rocket science. We can and will celebrate. We were never lost, it just seemed that way.

Yes, Cy, there is a cosmic conspiracy. It is a light that has cast many shadows of our sometimes willful ignorance. And for all those shadows, we sometimes miss the light. You would rather curse the fleeting shadows, than celebrate the Dawn. God is coming, Cy. She may not need your finger-pointing, to know where the darkness lingers. She might prefer a welcome smile, over a drawn sword. She knows your strength much better than do you. She may know your weakness, too.

We both know that you are ready to meet your Maker, but you sincerely believe that hardly any of the rest of us are so ready. It may be to protect us sinners that you wish to delay the Day of our reckoning. That is a very natural form of empathy. But none of us can, finally, be ready for what is about to transpire, least of all me, believe you me.

We are the rough beast that slouches toward Bethlehem, to be born.

Not on my watch, say the fat cats. Are they not in control, in the End? Loosing control is simply insanity, they naturally suppose. It is for their benefit, and ours, that we tiptoe to greet the Sun. Disturb not the sleeping dogs. Their leash becomes imperceptibly less slack. They know not the hidden hand that feeds them. What they don't know cannot hurt them.

And what of the Footman and the Princess? What do they know? Probably less than you and me, or else they are putting on a good act, a very good one. The blind leading the blind? Somnambulism has never looked so good. We all know exactly what we need to know, bless our hearts.

Should we be counting our chickens and the days? I have no good excuse not to. That's what I get 'paid' to do. This is not to say that you do not have every reason to maintain your warrior stance. Just don't be too surprised if you are tapped on the shoulder.

Well, I will keep you informed. Right now I have to tend to the tides, on beePeewee, believe it or not........

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Post by Bard Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:43 pm

Some old content from CL - out on the farm.

Via Disclosure TV

I was a bit perplexed about his answers to a couple questions, though.

Hey, Cy. It's not like Jake to be AWOL. Dan probably has a number or two.

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