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Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
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You hope that I’m not serious 🧐 about the Sun going out.
I’m perfectly serious.
You are not a student of philosophy. I am.
You are not a student of physics. I am.
I’m doubtful that you have ever met anyone who is as careful a student of either one of these subjects as I am…….. let alone both of them.
You have probably wondered…… if Dan is so smart, what is he doing here?
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I watched this video through to the end, and then it jumped to a zoom meeting, seemingly internal to the CFR.
I stopped the CFR video in the middle to see if I could repost it here, but it just disappeared, so I’ll have to reconstruct it from my own poor memory, along with what I have been learning about Putin from my own sources…….
In short, all the best brains in the world are trying to figure out why Putin made the invasion in the first place.
Well, guess what I saw on three’s dining room table when I walked in there yesterday…….. a wedding anniversary note from vladdie.
Yes, something strange is going on.
I strongly suspect that the apparent Ukraine fiasco is part of the buildup to Disclosure.
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But before we get into the Ukraine ‘fiasco’, allow me to return to Cy…….
So what is chick doing on OMF?
I’m doing the same thing that all of us are trying doing…… save the world….. seemingly against rather long odds…… a foolhardy quest, as many have been at pains to point out to us over the years.
But the most astute observer, including our very own Chivo, have pointed out that the world is doing ok by itself, and none of us, personally, is going to change that fact.
To this I respond……. well, yes and no……
Allow me to explain…….
chick refers to himself as a Jesus freak, but, when you think it through, I don’t think that Jesus saved the world, because, unbeknownst to him, the world had already been saved……. simply because it was the best possible world.
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dan wrote:Cy,
You hope that I’m not serious 🧐 about the Sun going out.
I’m perfectly serious.
You are not a student of philosophy. I am.
You are not a student of physics. I am.
I’m doubtful that you have ever met anyone who is as careful a student of either one of these subjects as I am…….. let alone both of them.
You have probably wondered…… if Dan is so smart, what is he doing here?
(cont………)
dan wrote:Thank you, Gary,
I watched this video through to the end, and then it jumped to a zoom meeting, seemingly internal to the CFR.
I stopped the CFR video in the middle to see if I could repost it here, but it just disappeared, so I’ll have to reconstruct it from my own poor memory, along with what I have been learning about Putin from my own sources…….
In short, all the best brains in the world are trying to figure out why Putin made the invasion in the first place.
Well, guess what I saw on three’s dining room table when I walked in there yesterday…….. a wedding anniversary note from vladdie.
Yes, something strange is going on.
I strongly suspect that the apparent Ukraine fiasco is part of the buildup to Disclosure.
………..
But before we get into the Ukraine ‘fiasco’, allow me to return to Cy…….
So what is chick doing on OMF?
I’m doing the same thing that all of us are trying doing…… save the world….. seemingly against rather long odds…… a foolhardy quest, as many have been at pains to point out to us over the years.
But the most astute observer, including our very own Chivo, have pointed out that the world is doing ok by itself, and none of us, personally, is going to change that fact.
To this I respond……. well, yes and no……
Allow me to explain…….
chick refers to himself as a Jesus freak, but, when you think it through, I don’t think that Jesus saved the world, because, unbeknownst to him, the world had already been saved……. simply because it was the best possible world.
(cont……….)
Good Morning Dan,
You cannot say I have criticized you about the Sun because I have not. I've never remarked one way or another about the Sun "going out". I'm well aware of the unusual activity. Have been for several years. Like the Earth Changes & also monitor the Sun and Space Weather. The chaotic space we are currently crossing happens twice every 26,000 years and yes it affects the Sun as it is the Sun that makes the journey with us in tow.
Dan, you are on OMF for the same reason I am present in this life-time. OMF is but one of many ships in a vast fleet and crews who contribute to a future set out by Source if we have the spirit to grasp and embrace the course laid out.
We all fuss against Source's steering from time to time. But he has gamboled on human potential. He/It knows us better than we do ourselves.
Putin is far more than most people have guessed. He's not self-destructive. If his choices do not make sense then it is the student/observer who has not figured out what is going on. Dig deeper. Listen more closely.
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And, yes, Cy, Putin is not as dumb as he is looking right now.
And how does chick know this……..? because it appears that we share a secret ‘weapon’…… and we know who that is.
But how many of us suspect that there is something fishy about the whole Ukrainian operation?
Is Ukraine fake news?
Yes and no.
The world is fake news…………
Ok, so what else is new?
The only thing new in this situation is that it is meant to play a central role in the unequivocal demonstration of this long suspected actuality.
But are the bombs fake……. are the tanks fake……?
No, buildings and people are being blown up.
Shades of the Vegas incident?
Probably.
Putin reportedly just staged a major purge of the FSB.
But, no, this was not a general purge.
It was only of the people who were in his former KGB section.
Strange? If that’s not strange, I don’t know what is.
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If you’re thinking what I’m thinking, it was a fake purge.
I guess we’ll find out, soon enough.
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Putin reportedly just staged a major purge of the FSB.
But, no, this was not a general purge.
It was only of the people who were in his former KGB section.
Strange? If that’s not strange, I don’t know what is.
I don't think it's strange. He wants to blow up the world if things don't go his way. Even his motley crew of USSR KGB holdovers/goons were not delighted when they realized that this is his Plan B in the whole kit 'n' caboodle.
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Cyrellys wrote:Maude Gonne was a vector for Yeats. She'd not have been appreciated as much as a fellow white bird; gull, than she was as the heart-trouble, that spawned the depths, skill, and insight of her poet. She was a petal in his pinwheel.
What he sought he did realize...those danaan shores. It was the eternal tandem of mystery, spirit, and hope that unleashed his harp, that inner genius which puts spokes in wheels of wagons and sails on the barks that cross the pond...
Time doesn't forget us. It merely flows a little differently. Learn as we all do how to pick up the continuing conversation five years later as it was yesterday. Where do you wish to travel O' Fili? The shores are the same as they have ever been, but you belong on them as much as you do under sail.
We say "all things in good time, for a reason." Only experience can teach this to the point of understanding.
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The bombing of all cities in Ukr...ouroboros
Hole punch clouds are not metallic discs.
Chemtrails get used for depopulation agenda, not just weather modification.
The amount of resources and money involved in destroying the world we know and care about could be used to save it, if the cretins doing it all could be halted.
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For whom will the sun go out first?
I see a conga line of proverbial UPS trucks returning from the daily cataclysm...that microcosm within the larger ones. Upon what is the Universal Consciousness focused? Not yet on the larger. Some things are important for reasons not yet understood.
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In short, all the best brains in the world are trying to figure out why Putin made the invasion in the first place.
Well, guess what I saw on three’s dining room table when I walked in there yesterday…….. a wedding anniversary note from vladdie.
Yes, something strange is going on.
Foot: I just heard that your appeal to Vladimir Putin has been conveyed. If all goes well, you might receive an invitation to join the Princess for the grand celebration in Moscow.
New Cold War? ;-)
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In the quantum-mechanical description, matter (solid) at absolute zero is in its ground state, the point of lowest internal energy.
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On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 6:23 PM Ronald Pandolfi wrote:
Hi Robert,
Shortly after the Soviet Union ceased to exist, I lamented that roles would be reversed. Unfortunately my lamentation became reality with Russia now having an honest, open, and accurate press and leadership, and the USA having none of the above. Reality is that Russia remains precisely on track to achieve its goals in Ukraine. Those who read Tass, the official newservice of the Russian Government, know that there were no setbacks, no disappointments, no changes in plans. They know that because Russia has been clear with the Russian people since before the mission began as to the objectives and timeline. There has been no use of or consideration of use of chemical or nuclear weapons by Russia. There was never an intent or interest in capturing Kiev. One Russian warship was damaged and sunk by an onboard fire, not a missile strike. Casualties have been as anticipated, not as reported in the "i lie to you" American news.
Even more disturbing is that Russia was a close ally of the USA during WWII taking on the majority of Nazi forces for longer and with far greater casualties than the USA, and that on D-day, US forces princially fought against Ukraine Nazis, not Germans, because the Germans were bogged down fighting Russia. Now that Russia is engaged with remnants of those Ukraine Nazis, the USA is pooring money into the fight on the side of the Nazis. Our ally in this fight should be Russia, not the Ukraine Nazis who have been practicing genocide against ethnic Russians for the past 8 years.
You might think that having witnessed the Hillary Clinton "I lie to you news" regarding the Steele Dossier and the following 4 years of "I lie to you news about Russian collusion, and the fake impeachment of President Trump for his verbal confrontation with Zelensky regarding corruption and theft of US funds and property, that Americans would be well prepared to recognize the "i lie to you" news about Ukraine and Russia, but it does seem that Democrats, Republicans, Christians, Jews, and and Marxists mostly seem to indoctrinate the "I lie to you" news as though real and factual, and then want to risk economic disaster and even total destruction of our nation without so much as a thought that reality might substantially differ.
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Towards quantum simulation of false vacuum decay
Particularly intriguing are quantum phase transitions that occur at temperatures close to absolute zero and are driven by quantum rather than thermal fluctuations.
"We realized a very flexible platform where phase transitions could be tuned from continuous to discontinuous by changing the shaking strength. This demonstration opens up new opportunities for exploring the role of quantum fluctuations in first-order phase transitions, for instance, the false vacuum decay in the early universe."
https://phys.org/news/2022-01-quantum-simulation-false-vacuum.html
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The human mind resides in a local region of information space
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March 23, 2022 12:10 pm
Reuters will remove all the content of the Russian state news agency TASS from its business-to-business service Reuters Connect, it said Wednesday in an internal email to staff.
The well-known news wire service said that "making TASS content available on Reuters Connect is not aligned with the Thomson Reuters Trust Principles."
The move follows growing criticism of how the war in Ukraine was portrayed by the Kremlin-backed news organization. Earlier this week, accounts from multiple Reuters journalists raised alarms over the company's partnership with the Russian state-controlled media organization, which dates back to 2020. Following Russia's invasion of Ukraine, this partnership and TASS' ties with the Russian government prompted more scrutiny from Reuters employees.
"Reuters newsroom operates independently of any Reuters Connect marketplace agreements," the note sent by CFO Matthew Keen further reads.
Since the invasion, Western broadcasters and tech giants have restricted access to Russian state-owned media RT and Sputnik because of concerns of spreading disinformation.
https://www.politico.eu/article/reuters-removes-russian-state-agency-tass-from-its-content-marketplace/
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It would seem that this duality would greatly simplify matters, as far as the big picture is concerned.
We might suppose that the Katechon/Restrainers would be the good guys in this face off.
Ostensibly, chick is on the side of the Eschaton.
Would this make me a good guy or a bad guy?
Most everyone would suppose that the Eschaton is something bad.
If the world is good, then the End of the world is bad.
Not necessarily.
If the best possible world (BPW) is small, then time cannot be infinite.
Well it could be circular, which the mystics generally suppose.
Folks in the prophetic tradition suppose otherwise.
Well, the mystics suppose that time is an illusion, and this illusion is taken to be repetitive or circular.
Scientists are confused on this issue………
At one time, they believed that time began with the Big Bang.
But, with the advent of the Anthropic Principle, most scientists have adopted the Multiverse hypothesis…….. where there is an absolute time in the background……….. shades of Newton.
Suffice it to say, I don’t think the mystics have thought this through.
Mystics make a point of not having a rationale.
The BPWH is all about having a rationale.
The BPWH is about have the best possible Rationale.
Nothing else makes a lick of sense.
The mystics could care less about making sense.
What do they care about?
They’ll never tell you.
Their view is basically an existentialism……… life is an absurdity in a meaningless universe.
It may well be.
The mystics, the existentialists and the scientists all agree on the absurdity of it all.
Hey, it’s the chick’s way or the highway .
Or, as the Zeibart folks used say…… it’s us or rust.
In the BPW, the Katechon and Eschaton are both necessary.
And, with the Princess & co, you get one stop shopping.
The best possible amount of time supports the best possible Metanarrative.
The Metanarrative supports the best possible number of subplots and mini-worlds…….. but it is all, necessarily, self-contained.
Is there anything beyond the BPW?
Mostly just the Abyss.
The BPW is just the self-organization of cosmic consciousness.
Or, as per Wheeler, the only real phenomenon is the observed phenomenon.
And, basically, there is only only one observer…….. the I Am.
All of us (sapient) creatures (the we are) are just reflections of the I Am, as with a disco ball.
The basic idea couldn’t be simpler. If there were a Devil , we could say…….. the devil is in the details.
But, since there isn’t, we can’t.
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Grant us that we are living out a simple truth.
Grant us that Truth = Love.
Folks may join this conversation with or without watching any particular videos……… with or without reading any particular books……. etc, etc……..
We just go ahead and say what we have to say.
And, granted, we are all here at your behest……. thank you very much, Cy!
Now, may we please proceed?
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I assume you are ascribing to some version of Carl Schmitt's Katechon definition?
https://criticallegalthinking.com/2018/07/03/carl-schmitt-katechon/
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Ok, now we’re talking………
But I do believe we need just a bit more clarification and/or explanation.
For starters……. yes, I do subscribe to Carl Schmitt’s description of the Katechon.
As for the Looking Glass being used on the portals……. I think we could use a couple more sentences to flesh out that concept.
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Now, I suggest that we all take a look at this website……. https://katehon.com/en/tags/dugin , which I came upon by mistake, due my ‘misspelling’ of ‘katehon’.
See, once we get an informed discussion going…… we can take off……
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dan wrote:Cy,
Ok, now we’re talking………
But I do believe we need just a bit more clarification and/or explanation.
For starters……. yes, I do subscribe to Carl Schmitt’s description of the Katechon.
As for the Looking Glass being used on the portals……. I think we could use a couple more sentences to flesh out that concept.
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The Looking Glass is a contraption. A mechanical object of ancient origin that activates when placed within one of the portals Dan.
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Dan wrote:Now, I suggest that we all take a look at this website……. https://katehon.com/en/tags/dugin , which I came upon by mistake, due my ‘misspelling’ of ‘katehon’.
See, once we get an informed discussion going…… we can take off……
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I know of Dugin via his Fourth Political Theory and an interview he did a few years ago on an AltNews Media site.
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I note that Charles Upton is a contributor to the ‘Katehon’ site.
I have briefly spoken with Charles……. he has been contributing on the Sarfatti list.
I did not know that he was into the Katechon.
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dan wrote:Aleksandr Dugin is the key to understanding Putin’s philosophy.
And there-in lies the Wests problem. I'm pretty certain Putin is more straight-forward and Patton-esque than philosophical. He says exactly what he means but since the West is habitually lazy at listening they never take him seriously. Western pundits would rather ascribe their own pov to him so that their own pov and narratives make sense to themselves.
Philsophy is a luxury he doesn't seem to afford. He instead focuses on needs and objectives.
Dugin on himself and Putin wrote:Realism doesn’t mean nationalism. Realism doesn’t mean any ideology. Realism is considering the sovereignty of people and nations as the highest value. And that is a completely anti-globalist agenda.
This remark is congruent with my observations.
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