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………. unconscious monster…….. chick !
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Yes, say hello to gravity’s rainbow .  

What’s the least number of bombs that have to be dropped……. and where exactly?

Please…….. someone take that cup from my hands.  

Once we get past here, the sailing will smooth out.  

The WCM’s mission to Patagonia has been completed , and he’s on his way home .  

Now, I’m sure there will be twists and turns as we complete our respective journeys back to Source, but I think, after this, we’ll be halfway home.  
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We are 10^10 persons in one substance.  

Yes, we had been put asunder, but now it’s……. all ye, all ye in free.  

Can’t you hear the dinner bell ?  

Be sure to save a place for me at the table!  

#2…….?  She’s busy working on the Trinity Project.  
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Our geocentric existence has solidified into a humongous ice 🧊 jam.

Something is going to have to break the ice.  

I hope that it doesn’t have to be violent, but there may be no benign options.  

Note bené…… that any such violence is only to shake things up.  

It is in no way meant to be targeted.  

The ONLY target is our slumber of materialism.  

But maybe we need simply orchestrate a global ufo 🛸 flap.



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No bombs.

Empathy.

Love.

Forgiveness.

Long suffering.

Patience.

Understanding.

Anyone dropping bombs is out of the loop.

Fuck whoever wants to drop bombs !!!

Anyone who wants to drop bombs should just kill themselves imo.

Bombs are never the way, ever!

Bomb yourself, would you enjoy that?!

Cause you ain’t worthy to live if you want to drop bombs.

That is the epitome of confusion and misunderstanding.

To fool yourself that god wants to drop bombs only shows how clueless you are.

He sent Jesus who said love your neighbor not bomb your neighbor.

Damn, this pisses me off royally!

You get me on the phone with whoever wants to drop bombs Dan.

I’d destroy them!

No ego driven mind should have access to weapons.

These children can’t control themselves.

No one who controls themselves needs weapons.

No weapons.

We isolate the children.

We give them a path to adulthood.

The dreamer could just wake up and end this all.

I’m ok with that.

Are you ok with being blinked out of existence forever?

You have to start your journey up cold mountain there.

Maybe 1 in 10,000 or 1,000,000 are ok with that.

I think any muppet who doesn’t wake up should be melted down as slag and try again.

I was alone for months, battling evil as the sun went out for the long winter night, left high and dry when the chicken refused to do his part via seaworthy vessel. In the darkness I battled demons from within and beyond, and it seemed like a small world, alone at my post. You see not all is bliss as the four horsemen are en route, but in Patagonia the Master awaits the signal, and I needed to remain on station with fresh hay and oats. When the boat finally did arrive, I was ready to embark on the long journey home, with but a dream that I might meet one good and faithful woman along the way with whom to share my experience and together carry on to the end. I suffered during this mission, my body was damaged repeatedly, but I remained true to the cause, never left my post, and did my part in keeping this small world on the correct path. I post this update in the hope that some woman out there still appreciates a real man with a long gun, damaged as I am, but quickly healing and in need of a companion. I will not return to the WPC, but I will always remain the WCM.

Skaiz,

We are all much indebted for your service in Patagonia.  

I hope you do find your much deserved companion…… even on this side.

Lord knows that I did refuse an opportunity to sail a vessel to South America.

No missions Skaiz.

I’d drop that shit.

You owe allegiance to no one.

Live for love.

Muppets will always let you down.

It is their nature.

Nothing matters more than the life you give yourself.

I have a beautiful goddess by my side and I treasure every moment.

I feel you there.

“Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field.

I'll meet you there.”

—Rumi

No one is your friend here but me.

Funny that Dan and I were both posting at the same time.

The synchronicities are multiplying.



If you haven’t noticed, Dan and I are on different wavelengths.

Nothing else matters but the love you find in your life.

Nothing.

We may doubt, but we can always come back to love.

Nothing sustains or means more than this.

All the pretenders have one thing in common, they do not know love.

I do apologize for Chivo.

He operates under the mistaken impression that he is entitled to his own opinion.

He has no conception of service or mission.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion by existing.

I knew Dan couldn’t resist.

A muppet to the last.

Dan has no idea what life is about.

Service and mission is utter delusion.

Fuck that slave shit.

Melt down your guns and swords and knives.

Grow a garden.

Relax and enjoy life already.

Don’t work for those who think they have power.

They have zero power.

I AM

I will make a claim.

I know god, as far as this body and mind can do so.

I know what to do.

One who knows themselves knows there are no missions and one’s greatest service is to themselves.

I know when I’m naughty and nice.

For it dwells within thee.

God is close, very very close.

This is why I know LF and the Princess and Dan are confused, at worst, terrible liars.

Union with this force brings incorruptibility and peace and knowledge and wisdom.

It allows one to see through anyone in an instant.

Yet, the beast within us remains and looks for opportunities to usurp our peace.

It takes more focus than your have ever had to approach the temple.

The muppet cannot pass.

There is no greater act than knowing thyself and mastering the beast within.

You can break this beast and ride it.

For it is powerful and necessary.

All else is nonsense and waste of precious time.

All plans of muppets are foolishness.

It is approached with piety and virtue.

You can cooperate with it.

You can fight it.

But in the end, it is best to join with it.

It surpasses all understanding and exoteric religion.

Communing with this force, is the only true religion.

Christianity is laughable, it had potential, but it has been gutted.

But the Sufis know of what I speak.

If I followed any religion, I would be a Sufi.

I may yet formalize a connection with Sufis.

Rumi and Shams and others have communed deeply with this inner force.

I know them as brothers and sisters in spirit.

This is why I deny earthly service.

Your true service is to your self.

Traditional Stoicism wrote:Throughout his writings, Seneca refers to the relationship between the gods and us. In Letter 1.5 he calls this relationship a “kinship” and claims it is “sealed by virtue.” Later, in Letter 31, titled Our mind’s godlike potential,[2] he suggests a committed devotion to philosophy as a way of life raises us above mankind toward our godlike potential. How? Through virtue, which he defines as:

“[T]he evenness and steadiness of a life that is in harmony with itself through all events, which cannot come about unless one has knowledge and the skill of discerning things human and divine. (31.”

Again, in Letter 53, Seneca argues that a mind committed to philosophy will be near to the gods and can experience the “tranquility of God.” He points out the amazing power of philosophy to “beat back all the assaults of chance” and claims,

“No weapon lodges in its flesh; its defenses cannot be penetrated. When fortune’s darts come in, it either ducks and lets them pass by, or stands its ground and lets them bounce back against the assailant. (53.11-12)”

In Letter 41 (God dwells within), Seneca covers the topics of Stoic physics and theology in some detail. First, he makes a clear distinction between the practices of personal religion and those of conventional religions. As I discussed in a previous post, Stoicism was never a religion in the conventional sense, with alters, temples, and priests. Nevertheless, the Stoics were pious and reverential toward God, who they conceived as an immanent and creative force that permeates and providentially guides the cosmos and humankind. Seneca begins by asserting,

“You need not raise your hands to heaven; you need not beg the temple keeper for privileged access, as if a near approach to the cult image would give us a better hearing. The god is near you—with you—inside you.  I mean it, Lucilius. A sacred spirit dwells within us, and is the observer and guardian of all our goods and ills. However we treat that spirit, so does the spirit treat us. In truth, no one is a good man without God. Or is there anyone who can rise superior to fortune without God’s aid? It is God who supplies us with noble thoughts, with upright counsels. (41.1-2)”

Truly without knowing thyself, you are at the whims of fortune and muppet plans.

But when you got it, you got it.

It is wonderful and fantastic.

The force is my ally and a powerful ally it is.

To me Dan and his friends’ silly words and plans are nonsense and laughable.

They settle for portals when they deny the portal they themselves are.

Their crude attempt to make a form of god is disgusting.

If they knew god, you would know, trust me.

One cannot hide ignorance.

One who lives up to their godlike potential is a giant upon the earth.

Rise slumbering giants!

Join me in the Sun!

The earth and everything in it is ours.

Who are these muppets claiming it?

Fools and naives.

“…an encounter with a person who is “undismayed by peril and untouched by desire, one cheerful in adversity and calm in the face of storms, someone who rises above all humankind and meets the gods at their own level” will leave us “overcome with reverence” (41.4). Moreover, Seneca argues we will assume, a “power divine has descended on him” (41.5). Seneca refers to this divine power as that “eminent and disciplined mind” that permeates all of Nature and states that such a godlike person could not “stand upright” without the aid of such a divine power (ibid). This eminent mind is the pneuma or logos of Stoic physics that permeates all of Nature. The Stoics consider this active force divine. Seneca says this “sacred mind” brings us “knowledge of the divine.”

I know what is happening in the world.

I know myself.

I know what to do.

And that is all of it.

Those who have not joined with themselves have no access

Pretenders, the world is full of fools and pretenders.

Get thee behind me!

I have yet to meet the WCM, but I have followed the prophesies of his great work for several years. He is a vicar of Christ doing the work that only he can and will. His mission to the WPC was unprecedented. Soon we will learn if it was successful. Thanks be to the Princess for finding such men and anointing them with the mystery of a new world.

Oh brother, no one has a mission.

Beware any muppet on a mission.

For they know not what they do.

The Princess doesn’t anoint anybody.

You anoint yourself.

Just more confused muppet speak.

Sigh.

Can’t make a muppet drink the water.

left foot 🦶,

I gather that you may not be familiar with the back stories, hereabouts.  

The Princess may have re-anointed John, but she…….

I was going to say she was not in on the ground
floor…….

But that part of the back story might have to be amended, due to more recent information.  

The ground floor…… this particular building is unlikely to have a basement, let alone a ground floor.

Did you know that there are some rooms in the Pentagon that don’t have a floor?

That’s the kind of information that we have to deal with.



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dan wrote:

Right now we’re having a face off between the Katechon and the Eschaton.  

Dan what are your thoughts on the Katechon?........" Who is Restraining (Who is the restrainer)......What or who is being restrained?........What event must occur before the restraining ends?"

Col. John Alexander: "You're operating under the illusion that you're in control. You're not in control. There's an 'it' that's in control" ..."

Who is "it"?

You are IT!

You are THAT!

You definitely don’t know the future.

You don’t even know the present.

We are terrified of ourselves.

We don’t believe it.

We have such a bad case of duality.

We think we are separate from IT.

IT is right here inside of us.

This princess stuff is very creepy cult behavior.

Dan sounds like a cult member.

Any religious person sounds mindless to me.

There is no Katechon or Eschaton.

There is only one’s own ignorance.

Just guessing...

The katechon could be Dan who says he's the SOT.

As for the antichrist, that could, at this present time, be Putin.

In trying to ascertain the connection between foot and WCM, I had extrapolated that the connection went back to college.  

But no, they went to different colleges, both with advanced degrees.  

They did not connect until after the meeting with Willard Libby, et al.

left foot has not been informed that the mission to Patagonia was a success.  

The mission involved a several month stay at a US facility.  

three was aware of many of us prior to her descent from the mountain.  

She was a poi well before her arrival.  

It seems that foot was basically her advanced emissary…….. making straight the way.  

Both the Katechon and the Eschaton belong to all of us.  


Gary,

I don’t know of any ‘It’s’.

Things are personal, all the way up and down.  

I’m skeptical of driverless cars…….. and much more so of a Creatorless Creation.  

The further removed you are from actually having had to program computers, the more likely you are to taken in by the hype surrounding them.



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chivo wrote:This princess stuff is very creepy cult behavior.

Dan sounds like a cult member.

Well put. I'm concerned about this too.

99 wrote:Just guessing...

The katechon could be Dan who says he's the SOT.

As for the antichrist, that could, at this present time, be Putin.

Good guess.

As far as IT is concerned I speak of IT much better than chickie.

Because I lost my mind to IT.

But it came back to me.

But nothing said about IT is true.

IT just is what IT is

Dan and I might be talking about the same thing from different sides of the river styx.

Maybe maybe not.

3 didn’t know smelly

I come like a thief in tha night.

I work on driverless cars.

Real deal.

Just a bunch of Machine Learning models.

I think you need a strange loop to self drive a car.

Ouroboros baby!

Speaking of Strange Loops…

It’s that time again, Philosophical Friday!

I AM A STRANGE LOOP

I enjoyed this book a lot and am rereading it actually. Your concept of "I" may be a complete fiction. You are not your name. Your sense of "I" is an artificial construct shaped by experiences and culture. This is why you can improve yourself and remap bad patterns between your neurons using mindfulness and cognitive behavioral therapy. If something triggers you by default, you can remap those neural pathways. You become aware of the negative behavior and response and remap that circuit. The mind is dynamic.

"In the end, we are self-perceiving, self-inventing, locked-in mirages that are little miracles of self-reference."

— Douglas Hofstadter, I Am a Strange Loop, p. 363

https://www.amazon.com/Am-Strange-Loop-Douglas-Hofstadter/dp/0465030793

"This is a theory to explain the sense of "I". A strange loop is a https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cyclic structure that goes through several levels in a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchical system. It arises when, by moving only upwards or downwards through the system, one finds oneself back where one started. Strange loops may involve https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-reference and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox. The concept of a strange loop was proposed and extensively discussed by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Hofstadter in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del,_Escher,_Bach, and is further elaborated in Hofstadter's book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_a_Strange_Loop, published in 2007."

"Strange loops take form in human consciousness as the complexity of active symbols in the brain inevitably leads to the same kind of self-reference which https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_G%C3%B6del proved was inherent in any complex logical or arithmetical system in his https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems. Gödel showed that mathematics and logic contain strange loops: propositions that not only refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_truth, but also to the symbol systems expressing those truths. This leads to the sort of paradoxes seen in statements such as "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_statement_is_false," wherein the sentence's basis of truth is found in referring to itself and its assertion, causing a logical paradox."

"Hofstadter argues that the psychological self arises out of a similar kind of paradox. We are not born with an "I" – the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_(Freudian) emerges only gradually as experience shapes our dense web of active symbols into a tapestry rich and complex enough to begin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-reference. According to this view the psychological "I" is a narrative fiction, something created only from intake of symbolic data and its own ability to create stories about itself from that data. The consequence is that a perspective (a mind) is a culmination of a unique pattern of symbolic activity in our nervous systems, which suggests that the pattern of symbolic activity that makes identity, that constitutes subjectivity, can be replicated within the brains of others, and perhaps even in artificial brains."

"The "strangeness" of a strange loop comes from our way of perceiving, because we categorize our input in a small number of "symbols" (by which Hofstadter means groups of neurons standing for one thing in the outside world). So the difference between the video-feedback loop and our strange loops, our "I"s, is that while the former converts light to the same pattern on a screen, the latter categorizes a pattern and outputs its essence, so that as we get closer and closer to our essence, we get further down our strange loop."

"Hofstadter thinks our minds appear to us to determine the world by way of "downward https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality", which refers to a situation where a cause-and-effect relationship in a system gets flipped upside-down. Hofstadter says this happens in the proof of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_G%C3%B6del's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems:

Merely from knowing the formula's meaning, one can infer its truth or falsity without any effort to derive it in the old-fashioned way, which requires one to trudge methodically "upwards" from the axioms. This is not just peculiar; it is astonishing. Normally, one cannot merely look at what a mathematical conjecture says and simply appeal to the content of that statement on its own to deduce whether the statement is true or false. (pp. 169-170)

Hofstadter claims a similar "flipping around of causality" appears to happen in minds possessing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-consciousness. The mind perceives itself as the cause of certain feelings ("I" am the source of my desires), while according to popular scientific models, feelings and desires are strictly caused by the interactions of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurons."

"The "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros", which depicts a dragon eating its own tail, is perhaps one of the most ancient and universal symbolic representations of the reflexive loop concept."

I think it is a very interesting theory.

Thank you, Chivo, for reminding us of Doug H.  

Doug may well have represented the high water mark of materialism/physicalism.  

He connected every dot that he could.

His center piece was Gödel’s self-referential formula.  
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Doug H makes the case that humans can be understood purely in of natural evolution.



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I would call him a materialistic mystic.

Chivo,

I think you may be projecting your own beliefs onto Doug H.

I’m sure you must be aware that the phrase ‘materialistic mystic’ taken literally is an oxymoron.  

As I understand Doug, he is attempting to explain away mysticism.  

He is attempting to analyze it……. to reduce it.

He is talking about weak emergence……. not strong emergence.  

He is simply the opposite of a mystagogue.  

He is trying to sugarcoat materialism by applying a patina of spirituality.  

It is interesting to note, however, that David Chalmers was one of his students.  

Little of the philosophy seems to have rubbed off on Doug.  

He does not take the quantum seriously, and certainly not Anthropics.  

In short, Doug is a one man Katechon.  

What you and Doug share is a fear of the Eschaton…….. you are trying to protect the rest of us from your worst fear.  

The only thing that will protect us from the Eschaton is personalism.  

In your total denial, or maybe it is actually a disregard of the Eschaton, you are actually outing yourself as a closet personalist.  

Why would one want to be in the closet about that?

I’m guessing it goes back to your early trauma that you naturally blame on God.  

You wish to hold all of that at arms length.  

chick just embraces it…….. it may be two sides of the same coin 🪙.



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You still don’t get my game.

Up is down and down is up.

Your judgment is your weakness.

You think I’m just a spoiled mystic brat with a god chip on his shoulder?!

Bahahahaha

Once this was true, for Eric, who has long gone under the water.

Eric hated god!

But now he has been truly baptized.

In a real baptism, you don’t come back up.

Why would one want to be in the closet about personalism?

Us mad ones do love to play hide and seek with God.

If you are going to be on the stage, strut your stuff with style.

Everyone is watching.

One does long to hear the audience say “Bravo! Bravo!”

Smelly are smelly so you know they are in the room with you.

Of course my clever phrase is an oxymoron.

You think I’m an idiot?!

Try to keep up sparky.

I have you in the deep water.

Your studies and training won’t help you here.

Anatman.

The stars reflect this.

You do not understand the nature of my words and what you judge as personal attacks, are for comedic and dramatic emphasis.

Smelly finds a muppet swimming out into the deep water.

He dunks the muppet.

Goats are half fish.

Is this support?

The best kind.

You don’t like the dunking?

Shrug.

Your inability to play is boring and limited.

If you are gonna swim into the deep water, you must accept dunking and when ready, never coming back up.

You think I am so vulgar and uncontrolled?

Interesting.

This is hitting the student over the head with a shit stick.

You would have made a terrible zen monk with your muppet sensitivities.

I’m playing 3D chess and you simply don’t know how to play my old man.

So I toy with the mouse.

I toy with the muppet.

Because I am beyond fate.

The Stoics innovated compatibilism, the idea free will and determinism are mutually compatible. Freedom can be present in situations. You can counter fate.

This is why it is so easy for me to dance around your old stale prophesy.

Your script you repeat and repeat I know is all you have.

The emperor has no clothes.

So continue your lies as you like.

The game is played live baby and this is our time on the stage.

I have you and your Princess checkmated.

Egad, a swimming goat ?!

This is the game of the Gods.

The stars.

To learn to play, you must look long and hard into the mirror 🪞 not just world events that are fated.

Playing with you at times is really slumming it for me.

I cheat, yes yes, what a bad sport.

I wouldn’t be here unless I had found something in that mirror.

And until one does, they simply don’t know.

If you get close to me, I shall spin us faster and faster.

We must be whirling Dervishes.

“The summary of the advice of all prophets is this;
Find yourself a mirror.”

—Shams Tabrizi

“Chrysippus argued that some future events that are possible do not occur by necessity from past external factors alone, but might (as Aristotle and Epicurus maintained) depend on us. We have a choice to assent or not to assent to an action. Chrysippus said our actions are determined (in part by ourselves as causes) and fated (because of God's foreknowledge), but he also said that they are not necessitated, i.e., pre-determined from the distant past. Chrysippus would be seen today as a compatibilist.

R. W. Sharples describes the first compatibilist arguments to reconcile responsibility and determinism by Chrysippus

The Stoic position, given definitive expression by Chrysippus (c. 280–207 BC), the third head of the school, represents not the opposite extreme from that of Epicurus but an attempt to compromise, to combine determinism and responsibility. Their theory of the universe is indeed a completely deterministic one; everything is governed by fate, identified with the sequence of causes; nothing could happen otherwise than it does, and in any given set of circumstances one and only one result can follow – otherwise an uncaused motion would occur.

Chrysippus was concerned to preserve human responsibility in the context of his determinist system. His position was thus one of 'soft determinism', as opposed on the one hand to that of the 'hard determinist' who claims that determinism excludes responsibility, and on the other to that of the libertarian who agrees on the incompatibility but responsibility by determinism. The Greek to eph' hemin (ἐφ΄ ἡμῖν), 'what depends on us', like the English 'responsibility', was used both by libertarians and by soft determinists, though they differed as to what it involved; thus he occurrence of the expression is not a safe guide to the type of position involved. The situation is complicated by the fact that the debate is in Greek philosophy conducted entirely in terms of responsibility (to eph' hemin) rather than of freedom or free will; nevertheless it can be shown that some thinkers, Alexander among them, have a libertarian rather than a soft-determinist conception of responsibility, and in such cases I have not hesitated to use expressions like 'freedom'.”

Seek the devil inside.

Mara is your friend.

If you treat it well, it is in fact your greatest ally.

Up is down and down is up.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be.”

Have I gone mad?

I’m afraid so.

But I’ll tell you a secret, all the best people are.

You are my friend, because we are both quite insane.

“[...]the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes …

Awww!”

—Jack Kerouac, On the Road