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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:32 am

    First topic message reminder :

    “Nature's first green is gold,
    Her hardest hue to hold.
    Her early leaf's a flower;
    But only so an hour.
    Then leaf subsides to leaf.
    So Eden sank to grief,
    So dawn goes down to day.
    Nothing gold can stay.”

    —Robert Frost



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:48 am

    This is a strange dream being human.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:15 pm

    In response to Dan’s recent post about covens and cooperation.

    I have been recruited by some of these groups, the last one was the Gnostic church of America.

    The leader is quite brilliant.

    But alas, I don’t join groups.

    We had a nice dialogue.

    He is a Thelemite as well.

    It takes years and years to work your way through these orgs.

    They think 95% of humans do not have the intelligence or discipline to access the inner sanctum.

    They fight between themselves non-stop.

    They wont be cooperating as far as I can see.

    They definitely won’t be opening to muppets.

    I see no need to get involved with such groups.

    Just be kind to those you meet.

    Practice awareness and cultivate love.

    Be like a fox and a dove.

    Pass on what you have learned, which is actually learning to unlearn what you know, to the few open to receive it.

    That’s enough.

    There will be no mass opening and awakening imho.

    But anything is possible.

    Dan says I’m full of myself and a snob, but he simply doesn’t know me, I love being judged by those who don’t know.

    Gives me a little inner smile how clueless they are and judging.

    Judging won’t get you here.

    I am open to all I meet who are sincere and naked and not hiding behind their delusions and plans and predictions.

    I invest my heart in a few people all the time.

    They come in and out of my life.

    And those who have something to show me too come in and out of my life.

    To those who are here and open to the moment.

    It takes focus, discipline and hard work.

    Knowing and living your will is the highest calling I think of a human being.

    Most just are not up to this in our generation.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:42 pm

    I will give folks a hint.

    If you settle down and hang around certain watering holes on the internet or locally in your area and show yourself to be intelligent and open and powerful, you will have a chance to join groups of like minded folks.

    But I would ask, what do they have, you need?

    If one is open and naked, the universe will bring all you need and show you that what is in you is greater than foolishness in the world.

    It takes a human being in touch with their will to walk that path.

    To commune with the inner fire 🔥 is the end and beginning of it.

    No one can compare to that.

    No one will know your ecstasy.

    If you talk about it, muppetz will hate and ridicule you, or crucify you if they can.

    They will be jealous and look for reasons to separate themselves from you.

    Now, it is good to have the council of ones more experienced than you time to time.

    Anyone can benefit from friends.

    Be that friend to others, watch what happens.

    If you seek a friend, be a friend.

    I think true friendship is a precious gift in life few find.

    If you are weak, spend time with a guru or group, can’t hurt unless you idolize the guru or beliefs of others.

    Falling prey to a con artist is very instructive, in so many ways.

    As long as you don’t drink the cyanide koolaid or get crucified, it can be a good learning experience.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:08 am

    There has been an infection of the world, like covid has infected us, of certain human beings very lost in this trump and end times apocalyptic insanity.

    Lost in a vicious spirit of human hating human, wanting to kill those who disagree.

    I do not think anyone can say this is the end time.

    The end of what, history?

    Utter stupidity to say such things.

    A nihilist copout by stupid assholes.

    Good, your world is over, then fucking leave the earth.

    Your fight was only against yourself but you were too stupid to realize it.

    Do not pass GO and do not collect $200.

    Thank you for playing, you lost.

    Nihilist scum!

    As if anyone in history could know such a thing when we don’t even understand our right brain or underlying consciousness or nature.

    We are at war with nature.

    With each other.

    It seems to be this is an evolutionary fight between left and right brain 🧠 this is gonna be a helluva fight.

    I think they are gonna just have to learn to get along and stop the nihilist and too much left brained 🧠  bullshit.

    That said, I’m tackling 600k words, phew.

    Turning the TV off.

    This is timely and a fascinating book.

    “The Matter With Things: Our Brains, Our Delusions and the Unmaking of the World”

    I thought The Master and His Emissary insightful and quite a good survey of the study of consciousness.
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    Post by dan Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:18 am

    Hey, that’s a good one……..

    The prophesied ‘war in Heaven’ is going to be between our left and right brains 🧠.  

    The Logos/Truth is stuck in the middle.

    We don’t have to be rocket 🚀 scientists to figure out who favors which side……. do we?

    And, yes, there has been a breakdown……. a breakdown of the global bicameral mind.  

    It may take a DNS for us to be able to switch sides.  

    This global DNS may surely rise to biblical proportions……. I think 🤔 they refer to it as the Tribulation…….. just guessing, here!  

    Of course, there are those who game the system by playing both sides against the middle.

    It’s called the Coverup.  

    And we have the best possible Coverup……. until the stars finally align.

    That final alignment is referred to by the Gnostics as ‘thunder perfect mind’…….. as lightning ⚡ from one end of the Earth 🌎 to the other 🌏…… it’s ‘just’ the Internet, sports ⚽ fans 💗.

    And it likely has something to do with the Rapture.  

    That might be the scary 😱 part.  

    You might want to buckle your seatbelt.  

    We might also think 🤔 of it as internalizing the spirits.

    The only good spirit is an internalized spirit.

    We tame the spirits……. domesticate them.  

    Don’t worry…… they just want to come in from the cold.

    They’re not going to eat us……. we’re going to eat them.  

    And then the Monad will eat all of us……. Yummy 🤤 on the Tummy!  

    three and chick 🐣 are coming at this from opposite sides……

    We’re trying to meet in the middle.

    Mind you, it’s a fairly intricate docking procedure.

    And talk about gaming the System…… donny was definitely caught in the Act.  

    So was Chevrè man, for that matter.

    Joe B……? he’s just trying to mind his P’s and Q’s.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:36 am

    I’ll get to Dan in minute.

    I wonder what he is saying now?

    I have not read his response to my comments in this thread.

    I bet he says how wrong I am, dumb, unhelpful, looney, yada yada Wink

    Am I?

    I’m just smelly, smelly da goat.



    So the Will of the One.

    How can a transcendent source have the faculty of will.

    This is Plotinus’ question.

    It is itself and unified he says.

    But he argues, of course the one has a Will and caring of all.

    The world seems disharmonious.

    How could this place have emanated from nous?

    He said it could only be this way, which the good/one willed.

    I’m tempted to say this is above my pay grade, but is it?

    Isn’t this dualistic of Plotinus?

    Tripartite tractate in the Nag Hammadhi library also suggests the transcendent has to have a Will.

    So we say as human beings, huh?

    Once a logos principle decided to go beyond the pleroma.

    The emanation must divide the appearances.

    Why is there strife in the world?

    Because we are outside of the pleroma, it can only be this way.

    The bad ones are overseers.

    All does the Will of the one.

    It must be such and like this the tractate says.

    All is governed by Logos.

    If source has no Will, Plotinus would have none of it.

    These are not topics I occupy myself with usually.

    Forgive my lack of erudition.

    But this is what the Will of the one brought to me today.

    So what is up to us?

    Providence is the big plan.

    The one knows what choices we made already.

    They got the Logos concept form the Stoics btw.

    I will chew on this.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:44 am

    dan wrote:Hey, that’s a good one……..

    The prophesied ‘war in Heaven’ is going to be between our left and right brains 🧠.  

    The Logos/Truth is stuck in the middle.

    We don’t have to be rocket 🚀 scientists to figure out who favors which side……. do we?

    And, yes, there has been a breakdown……. a breakdown of the global bicameral mind.  

    It may take a DNS for us to be able to switch sides.  

    This global DNS may surely rise to biblical proportions……. I think 🤔 they refer to it as the Tribulation…….. just guessing, here!  

    Of course, there are those who game the system by playing both sides against the middle.

    It’s called the Coverup.  

    And we have the best possible Coverup……. until the stars finally align.

    That final alignment is referred to by the Gnostics as ‘thunder perfect mind’…….. as lightning ⚡ from one end of the Earth 🌎 to the other 🌏…… it’s ‘just’ the Internet, sports ⚽ fans 💗.

    And it likely has something to do with the Rapture.  

    That might be the scary 😱 part.  

    You might want to buckle your seatbelt.  

    We might also think 🤔 of it as internalizing the spirits.

    The only good spirit is an internalized spirit.

    We tame the spirits……. domesticate them.  

    Don’t worry…… they just want to come in from the cold.

    They’re not going to eat us……. we’re going to eat them.  

    And then the Monad will eat all of us……. Yummy 🤤 on the Tummy!  

    three and chick 🐣 are coming at this from opposite sides……

    We’re trying to meet in the middle.

    Mind you, it’s a fairly intricate docking procedure.

    And talk about gaming the System…… donny was definitely caught in the Act.  

    So was Chevrè man, for that matter.  

    Joe B……? he’s just trying to mind his P’s and Q’s.

    .

    Ok, I’ll play.

    Yes, the Logos is the referee, accept it.

    Ok, there has to be a left right fight outside the pleroma.

    Maybe the pleroma is real.

    More real than this emanation.

    I certainly feel to play it down the middle.

    The Will of the one is the template for this emanation.

    Who knows how many emanations there are, but I guess this could be the best one.

    So the Will moves us.

    Well, how can a smelly goat argue with this when his Will is staring him right in the face smiling.

    A big smile in the sky portending the outcome.

    Come to me my little children.

    Come home.

    I will not eat you it says.

    We will break bread together.

    Well, who can say really?

    Am I doomed to become the thing I hate, a witness and eschatologist with a front row seat to the fight of the ages?

    Well, my fight is over, it was only with myself.

    Perhaps this portends how it has already and must go for us.

    Could we truly be loved and cared for by the one?

    Is the logos are most obvious evidence?

    Part of me yells, of course dummy!

    What kind of power does this emanation take to maintain?

    I can’t even imagine.

    It’s times like these when one can feel like just a spec of dust.

    My company went public today in one of the biggest IPOs ever.

    I did pretty good.

    What shall I make of the timing of my good fortune while inflation and evil billionaires battle for the earth?

    Well, let me tell you, I see a light up ahead.

    The brightest light you have ever seen.

    Could I make it back to the pleroma?

    Am I already there?

    Am I just a rerun?

    An echo?

    Someone’s game character?

    Given how things are lining up, maybe.

    I’m cool with that.

    I hope all are having fun.

    I sure as hell am.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:41 pm

    So yes, we are in the middle of a right brain left brain war.

    We literally have two different worlds happening.

    And the connections between the brain hemispheres is decreasing.

    Most of the popular knowledge about the brain 🧠 hemispheres is not true.

    They work together quite a bit.

    The left brain is actually more likely to get angry than the right, it is not emotionless.

    The left brain is getting more of the control these days and this reflects in societal instability.

    Our biology is driving our division.

    So one can rebalance their brain and this is what I feel the benefit of enlightenment is.

    Parts of our brains we used in previous ages it is theorized is not used the same way now.

    We have a lot of biological baggage.

    I had a conversation with a fully radicalized mother today.

    She seemed insane to me.

    Completely off kilter, ready to shoot people.

    Feeling the other side was pure evil.

    She was literally insane in my estimation.

    She had a brick wall up against every path to reason.

    She repeated one trope after another not knowing why she believed what she believed.

    We have to see that these people’s brain are wired differently.

    And there is much violence.

    These people are foaming to kill the enemy.

    It hurt me deeply to see someone suffering so much, so angry, so scared.

    And she had no idea it was her own brain at war with itself that was likely driving her imbalance.

    I took an apolitical position and suggested love your neighbor and work out your differences.

    She would have none of that.

    Insisting that Jesus wants a war.

    No, Jesus doesn’t want a war.

    Other muppets have taken advantage of this left right brain war.

    Themselves a victim of their own brain 🧠 war.

    These are theories, but Ian McGilchrist has a lot of evidence and is being listened to now in many fields.

    He is trying to get to the root of our conflict.

    If one has not studied the biology and neurology and philosophy of this, they are not seeing clearly.

    The Master, the right brain will, sends out the left brain to check out the environment, but the left brain takes over, thinks it is alone, but it was always the servant.

    Reductionism is a disease possibly.

    Equal time needs to be given to science reason intuition and imagination.

    The left brain’s mechanistic view is unbalanced and destructive ultimately.
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    Post by dan Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:46 am

    Yes, you go for it, Chivo……..

    Thunder perfect mind……. lightning from the East to West…… war in Heaven…….

    It’s about the realignment of our hemispheres 🧠.  

    The microcosm reflects the Macrocosm, and vice versa.

    The pivot point biologically is in our brain…… physically it is in the cosmic Atom ⚛.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:55 am

    dan wrote:Yes, you go for it, Chivo……..

    Thunder perfect mind……. lightning from the East to West…… war in Heaven…….

    It’s about the realignment of our hemispheres 🧠.  

    The microcosm reflects the Macrocosm, and vice versa.

    The pivot point biologically is in our brain…… physically it is in the cosmic Atom ⚛.  


    Thunder Perfect Mind

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/maps/primary/thunder.html

    Yes, how do you put Humpty Dumpty back together again?

    I think there are ways.

    The master has made a way back for the emissary.

    So this is where Dan and I make peace?

    We put our brains back together.

    I posted Thunder Perfect Mind poem awhile ago.

    My own mind, the master, made a sneaky move to bring the emissary, my ego, back home.

    It took Ayahuasca for me.

    And then the healing was facilitated through creativity and embracing the abyss, the master.

    That putrid brown tea helped heal my mind.

    I know now the mother I met in that world was my master and I had to accept I was the wayward emissary.

    She brought me back.

    She brought me back to myself.

    And it has been a wonderful marriage again.

    Where I was split and feeling alone, I now rest and have peace.

    The contrast is astounding.



    The Thunder, Perfect Mind
    This mysterious poem, discovered among the gnostic manuscripts at Nag Hammadi, is narrated by a female divine revealer.


    " 'Thunder Perfect Mind' is a marvelous, strange poem. It speaks in the voice of a feminine divine power, but one that unites all opposites. One that is not only speaking in women, but also in all people. One that speaks not only in citizens, but aliens, it says, in the poor and in the rich. It's a poem which sees the radiance of the divine in all aspects of human life, from the sordidness of the slums of Cairo or Alexandria, as they would have been, to the people of great wealth, from men to women to slaves. In that poem, the divine appears in every, and the most unexpected, forms....

    'Thunder Perfect Mind' may have been written in Egypt. It's probably written by somebody who knows the traditions of Isis, knows the traditions of the Jews. It shows that this movement grew up in a world in which Jewish, Egyptian, Greek, Roman traditions are mingled and mixing and well-known to many sophisticated people. All you had to do is travel around a city, like Carnac, and you saw all these images, and these various religions and these various cultures mixing.'

    -- Elaine Pagels, from her interview in FRONTLINE's
    From Jesus to Christ

    THE THUNDER, PERFECT MIND
    Translated by George W. MacRae

    I was sent forth from the power,
    and I have come to those who reflect upon me,
    and I have been found among those who seek after me.
    Look upon me, you who reflect upon me,
    and you hearers, hear me.
    You who are waiting for me, take me to yourselves.
    And do not banish me from your sight.
    And do not make your voice hate me, nor your hearing.
    Do not be ignorant of me anywhere or any time. Be on your guard!
    Do not be ignorant of me.
    For I am the first and the last.
    I am the honored one and the scorned one.
    I am the whore and the holy one.
    I am the wife and the virgin.
    I am and the daughter.
    I am the members of my mother.
    I am the barren one
    and many are her sons.
    I am she whose wedding is great,
    and I have not taken a husband.
    I am the midwife and she who does not bear.
    I am the solace of my labor pains.
    I am the bride and the bridegroom,
    and it is my husband who begot me.
    I am the mother of my father
    and the sister of my husband
    and he is my offspring.
    I am the slave of him who prepared me.
    I am the ruler of my offspring.
    But he is the one who begot me before the time on a birthday.
    And he is my offspring in (due) time,
    and my power is from him.
    I am the staff of his power in his youth,
    and he is the rod of my old age.
    And whatever he wills happens to me.
    I am the silence that is incomprehensible
    and the idea whose remembrance is frequent.
    I am the voice whose sound is manifold
    and the word whose appearance is multiple.
    I am the utterance of my name.

    Why, you who hate me, do you love me,
    and hate those who love me?
    You who deny me, confess me,
    and you who confess me, deny me.
    You who tell the truth about me, lie about me,
    and you who have lied about me, tell the truth about me.
    You who know me, be ignorant of me,
    and those who have not known me, let them know me.
    For I am knowledge and ignorance.
    I am shame and boldness.
    I am shameless; I am ashamed.
    I am strength and I am fear.
    I am war and peace.
    Give heed to me.
    I am the one who is disgraced and the great one.
    Give heed to my poverty and my wealth.
    Do not be arrogant to me when I am cast out upon the earth,
    and you will find me in those that are to come.
    And do not look upon me on the dung-heap
    nor go and leave me cast out,
    and you will find me in the kingdoms.
    And do not look upon me when I am cast out among those who
    are disgraced and in the least places,
    nor laugh at me.
    And do not cast me out among those who are slain in violence.
    But I, I am compassionate and I am cruel.
    Be on your guard!
    Do not hate my obedience
    and do not love my self-control.
    In my weakness, do not forsake me,
    and do not be afraid of my power.
    For why do you despise my fear
    and curse my pride?
    But I am she who exists in all fears
    and strength in trembling.
    I am she who is weak,
    and I am well in a pleasant place.
    I am senseless and I am wise.
    Why have you hated me in your counsels?
    For I shall be silent among those who are silent,
    and I shall appear and speak,
    Why then have you hated me, you Greeks?
    Because I am a barbarian among the barbarians?
    For I am the wisdom of the Greeks
    and the knowledge of the barbarians.
    I am the judgement of the Greeks and of the barbarians.
    I am the one whose image is great in Egypt
    and the one who has no image among the barbarians.
    I am the one who has been hated everywhere
    and who has been loved everywhere.
    I am the one whom they call Life,
    and you have called Death.
    I am the one whom they call Law,
    and you have called Lawlessness.
    I am the one whom you have pursued,
    and I am the one whom you have seized.
    I am the one whom you have scattered,
    and you have gathered me together.
    I am the one before whom you have been ashamed,
    and you have been shameless to me.
    I am she who does not keep festival,
    and I am she whose festivals are many.
    I, I am godless,
    and I am the one whose God is great.
    I am the one whom you have reflected upon,
    and you have scorned me.
    I am unlearned,
    and they learn from me.
    I am the one that you have despised,
    and you reflect upon me.
    I am the one whom you have hidden from,
    and you appear to me.
    But whenever you hide yourselves,
    I myself will appear.
    For whenever you appear,
    I myself will hide from you.
    Those who have [...] to it [...] senselessly [...].
    Take me [... understanding] from grief.
    and take me to yourselves from understanding and grief.
    And take me to yourselves from places that are ugly and in ruin,
    and rob from those which are good even though in ugliness.
    Out of shame, take me to yourselves shamelessly;
    and out of shamelessness and shame,
    upbraid my members in yourselves.
    And come forward to me, you who know me
    and you who know my members,
    and establish the great ones among the small first creatures.
    Come forward to childhood,
    and do not despise it because it is small and it is little.
    And do not turn away greatnesses in some parts from the smallnesses,
    for the smallnesses are known from the greatnesses.
    Why do you curse me and honor me?
    You have wounded and you have had mercy.
    Do not separate me from the first ones whom you have known.
    And do not cast anyone out nor turn anyone away
    [...] turn you away and [... know] him not.
    [...].
    What is mine [...].
    I know the first ones and those after them know me.
    But I am the mind of [...] and the rest of [...].
    I am the knowledge of my inquiry,
    and the finding of those who seek after me,
    and the command of those who ask of me,
    and the power of the powers in my knowledge
    of the angels, who have been sent at my word,
    and of gods in their seasons by my counsel,
    and of spirits of every man who exists with me,
    and of women who dwell within me.
    I am the one who is honored, and who is praised,
    and who is despised scornfully.
    I am peace,
    and war has come because of me.
    And I am an alien and a citizen.
    I am the substance and the one who has no substance.
    Those who are without association with me are ignorant of me,
    and those who are in my substance are the ones who know me.
    Those who are close to me have been ignorant of me,
    and those who are far away from me are the ones who have known me.
    On the day when I am close to you, you are far away from me,
    and on the day when I am far away from you, I am close to you.
    [I am ...] within.
    [I am ...] of the natures.
    I am [...] of the creation of the spirits.
    [...] request of the souls.
    I am control and the uncontrollable.
    I am the union and the dissolution.
    I am the abiding and I am the dissolution.
    I am the one below,
    and they come up to me.
    I am the judgment and the acquittal.
    I, I am sinless,
    and the root of sin derives from me.
    I am lust in (outward) appearance,
    and interior self-control exists within me.
    I am the hearing which is attainable to everyone
    and the speech which cannot be grasped.
    I am a mute who does not speak,
    and great is my multitude of words.
    Hear me in gentleness, and learn of me in roughness.
    I am she who cries out,
    and I am cast forth upon the face of the earth.
    I prepare the bread and my mind within.
    I am the knowledge of my name.
    I am the one who cries out,
    and I listen.
    I appear and [...] walk in [...] seal of my [...].
    I am [...] the defense [...].
    I am the one who is called Truth
    and iniquity [...].
    You honor me [...] and you whisper against me.
    You who are vanquished, judge them (who vanquish you)
    before they give judgment against you,
    because the judge and partiality exist in you.
    If you are condemned by this one, who will acquit you?
    Or, if you are acquitted by him, who will be able to detain you?
    For what is inside of you is what is outside of you,
    and the one who fashions you on the outside
    is the one who shaped the inside of you.
    And what you see outside of you, you see inside of you;
    it is visible and it is your garment.
    Hear me, you hearers
    and learn of my words, you who know me.
    I am the hearing that is attainable to everything;
    I am the speech that cannot be grasped.
    I am the name of the sound
    and the sound of the name.
    I am the sign of the letter
    and the designation of the division.
    And I [...].
    (3 lines missing)
    [...] light [...].
    [...] hearers [...] to you
    [...] the great power.
    And [...] will not move the name.
    [...] to the one who created me.
    And I will speak his name.
    Look then at his words
    and all the writings which have been completed.
    Give heed then, you hearers
    and you also, the angels and those who have been sent,
    and you spirits who have arisen from the dead.
    For I am the one who alone exists,
    and I have no one who will judge me.
    For many are the pleasant forms which exist in numerous sins,
    and incontinencies,
    and disgraceful passions,
    and fleeting pleasures,
    which (men) embrace until they become sober
    and go up to their resting place.
    And they will find me there,
    and they will live,
    and they will not die again.

    James M. Robinson, ed., The Nag Hammadi Library, revised edition. HarperCollins, San Francisco, 1990.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:22 am

    I am sober now

    My fear of death is gone

    I know I live and shall live in my rest

    This has brought me freedom and joy

    This has brought me in contact

    With that which I only heard as a soft whisper

    Zeus has zapped me with lightening and I am the Thunder

    I must live this in the world

    I must walk among all and live this

    I have been called out of my hiding place

    I have fallen in love again with the heart of being
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:15 pm

    Wow, crazy synchronicity, this dude I’ve been chatting with who is head of the Gnostic church in America sent me this commentary he wrote about the poem on Thunder perfect mind.

    I had mentioned the poem to him and had a commentary ready to go.

    That’s funny.

    http://www.gclvx.org/The%20Thunder-Perfect%20Mind%20Commented.pdf
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:38 pm

    Instant Zen (Foyan) #24: Seeing Mind

    “As soon as you rationalize, it's hard to understand; you must refrain from rationalization before you can attain realization.

    Hearing such talk, some people immediately declare, "I have nothing to say at all, and no reason either." They do not realize this is in fact a rationalization!

    I will settle something for you right now: the ultimate rule is to see your own mind clearly. This is what Buddhism is, as far as I am concerned.

    An ancient said, "The mind does not know itself, the mind does not see itself." So how can you see it clearly?

    Even though it's your own mind, it's hard to see. All the sages since time immemorial have been people who clearly saw their own minds. My late teacher was someone who saw his own mind, but among those here who were also associated with him in the past, there are very few who clearly see their own minds.

    Mind does not see mind; to get it, you must not see it as mind. This is a realm apart from thoughts.

    Now if I say this to people, they think I am criticizing everyone else, but if I do not talk about it, it will be hard to elucidate. Zen teachers of a certain type say to people , "Fools! Why don't you understand this thing?" First they make a cliche of "your own mind," then try to use the mind to realize it; this is called driving a spike into a stump and then running around and around the stump. They pass it on this way, and it is taken up this way, knocking on their chairs and holding up their whisks. This is called trying to use the mind by means of the mind.

    There is another type of Zen teacher who tells people not to make logical assessments, that they lose contact the minute they speak, and should recognize the primordial. This kind of "teacher" has no explanation at all. This is like sitting on a balloon—where is there any comfort in it? It is also like the croaking of a bullfrog. If you entertain such a view, it is like being trapped in a black fog.

    I am exhorting you in utter seriousness; I am not lying, I am not making up rationalizations to trap people, I will not allow people to oppress the free. I have no such reasons. If you recognize this, that is up to you. If you say you also see this way, that is up to you. If you say that everything is all right according to your perception, that is up to you; If you say your mind is still uneasy, that is up to you. You can only attain realization if you don't deceive yourself.

    There are quite a few Zen teachers in the world, talking about Zen, talking about Tao. Do you think they are self-deceived, or not self-deceived? Do you think they are deceiving others, or not deceiving others? It is imperative to discern minutely.

    In the old days, when I was in the school of my late teacher, I once accepted an invitation to go somewhere. On the way I ran into a downpour and slipped in the mud. Feeling annoyed, I said to myself, "I am on the journey but have been unable to attain Zen. I haven't eaten all day, and now have to endure this misery too!" Then I happened to hear two people ranting at each other, "You're still annoying yourself!" When I heard this, I suddenly felt overjoyed. Then I realizied I couldn't find the state where there is no annoyance. That was because I couldn't break through my feeling of doubt. It took me four or five years after that to attain this knowledge.

    Now you should exercise your attention in this way. I have brought up the saying that inanimate things teach, but many are those who misunderstand. When you see inanimate things, you say they're inanimate, and when you see animate beings you consider them animate.

    If you who study Zen do not understand the teaching of the inanimate, how can you understand the task of the journey? If those who act as teachers do not understand the teaching of the inanimate, how can they deal with people in beneficial ways?

    I urge you to examine closely enough to effect an awakening. If you do not yet have an awakened perspective, then approach it in a relaxed manner; do not rush.”
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:56 pm

    Dan sees the princess as Nuit, The Goddess, Babylon, Sophia, the Holy Ghost.

    He was touched by Sophia.

    He has jealously desired her.

    I know both her faces.

    I have met her as well in the women I have known.

    She was born of the source and she birthed the source in time.

    I have hated and loved her.

    I have cursed and praised her.

    She is the wisdom of the Greeks.

    She is the knowledge of the Barbarians.

    She is the White Buffalo Calf Woman.

    She brought the Seven Sacred Rites to the Lakota.

    History is not fact, it is narrative.

    What does she want of us?

    She will never let me go.

    She echos in my heart and mind.

    She soothes my soul and makes me rage.

    Every real man has had to contend with her in time.

    Lilith and Eve.

    How to pierce her duality?

    When I go to my resting place beyond time, she will meet me there and I will live and not die again.

    My head hurts.

    But I am sober.

    My heart longs to be worthy of her, but I fear her.

    I feel she wants to eat my heart.

    Maybe I have to give it to her willingly.

    I would not be here now without her.

    The way my wife clings to me, is like how she grasps for me.

    I have always pushed my women away.

    Out of fear of being loved and known and maybe exposed as the weakling I can be.

    But now, I am falling into a black hole.

    She is the entrance and exit of the house.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:49 pm

    To be naked is to be free

    Oh what a hive this shall be

    The queen has sent me

    On an errand to find the tree

    Round about round about

    I will have to forgive your doubt

    Do you remember me

    I remember thee
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Nov 13, 2021 12:59 am

    Something is happening I don’t understand.

    I’m filled with love.

    I can’t contain it.

    Tears are flowing from my heart and I don’t know why.

    I’m gonna let the river run high.

    Elon, my heart hurts sometimes too.

    We are not alone.

    We are surviving every time.

    We are home.

    Wrapped inside a cocoon of flesh and blood.

    Doesn’t matter where we come from.

    We are home.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:58 pm

    A post from someone on /r/zen Reddit.



    “No argument for Zen

    Of all the things you can argue with strangers about on the internet, why would you argue about Zen?

    This is not the way.

    The standard proof of relevance for any premise in this forum is *what do zen masters say?*

    Here is what they say.


    Wumen

    >Those who argue about right and wrong are those enslaved by right and wrong

    Foyan

    >If you claim to understand Zen, moreover, this is actually a contention of ignorance.

    Bodhidharma

    >When you don’t understand, you’re wrong. When you understand, you’re not wrong. This is because the nature of wrong is empty. When you don’t understand, right seems wrong. When you understand, wrong isn’t wrong, because wrong doesn’t exist.

    Shengmo Guang

    >'Right' can affirm nothing, ‘wrong’ contains no real denial.  Right and wrong have no master, myriad virtues are ultimately one.

    Sengcan

    >Don't waste your time in arguments and discussion trying to grasp the ungraspable

    Hui Hai

    >The minds of those clinging to right and wrong are obstructed.

    And probably my favorite...

    Huineng

    >As for cultivating imperturbability, as long as someone doesn’t pay attention to the faults of others, their nature is imperturbable. But when deluded people act imperturbable, as soon as they open their mouths, they talk about right and wrong and turn their backs on the Way.

    Huineng cuts to the core. Argument is delusion. Some claim outright to be enlightened, and don't understand why no one believes them...it's because they cling so tightly to right and wrong.”
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Nov 14, 2021 11:37 pm

    Jesus is gonna be here any day now it seems Wink
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:49 pm

    Kubrick suggested in 2001 that we won’t go to the stars on machines, we will do so by expanding consciousness beyond time and space.

    I do not study the physical phenomena, but what it points back to, ourselves, or that which is within us.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:35 am

    XXVI

    Are you looking for a place to rest?
    Cold Mountain’s good for many a day.
    Wind sings here in the black pines,
    Closer you are, the better it sounds.
    There’s an old man sitting by a tree,
    Muttering about the things of Tao.
    Ten years now, it’s been so long
    This one’s forgotten his way home.

    —Cold Mountain
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:32 pm

    “Nihilism is not the negation of truth, but rather the truth of negation, and the truth of negation is transformative.”

    Eternal recurrence.

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