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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    Bjc could stand for lots of things.  It’s possible to suppose that it stands Baltimore Junior College.  It’s possible to suppose that c stands for chick, which is short for chicken.  

    Talk about a pink slip, yesterday, puts me in mind of being laid off, which puts me in mind of a retrospective.........

    And a topic header does require at least ten characters.......

    The allotted length for a thread is 40 pages...... giving us a chance to take the occasional breather...... as the show goes on.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:26 am

    Try try try again.
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    Post by dan Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:26 pm

    0130z........

    Yes, the radical right knows they are being lied to.  

    They even know what is a crucial part of the lie, but they don’t know what to do about it.  

    A crucial part of the lie is Darwinism, but they don’t know how to argue against it.  

    They’ll never learn as long as they accept objectivism and an analytical theory of truth.  

    You will not be able to give them pause by finding gaps in their theories.   They will simply fill in around them.  


    0350.........

    Is there a gap between sentience and sapience, for instance?

    Not to worry....... brute force applied to Artificial Intelligence will be able to fill the gap.  

    There is a kind of faith involved in ‘heroic’ materialism.  

    The secular humanists mean well.  

    They are not here to denigrate persons.  There are simply following the inexorable facts.  What else can they do?  Their hands are tied.  

    Truth has been shattered into a myriad of stubborn facts.

    There is a rabbit hole 🕳 of scientific materialism?  They could not help but fall down it.  

    The trap was laid by none other than the I Am.  

    The materialists just followed the trail of bread crumbs.  

    The only way out of our cosmic trap 🪤 is to grab onto the mother of all paradigm shifts (MoAPS)...... to take the quantum leap.  

    We were even vouchsafed an anteChrist, Donald Trump, to further muddy the waters.  Will the I Am not give us a break........ not cut us some slack?  

    Not to fear........ little chick 🐥 is coming to the rescue....... but just don’t ask him how!

    Somewhere, out there, is that still, small voice...... if only we could attend to the sounds of silence.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:08 am

    The right knows nothing but the lies they tell themselves.

    We love to be fooled.

    They surround themselves with those who tell them what their itching ears want to hear.

    Are your ears itching?

    Mine aren’t.

    I spew the lukewarm from my mouth.

    You must 🔥

    Nothing is lying to them, but themselves.

    All you ole geezers’ heads are gonna pop off.

    You crack me up.

    Like you actually had a clue.

    Ya’ll are all worked up.

    Relax grandpas.

    Sigh, what is God gonna do with all these muppets?!

    A good lie is a like a good story.

    Nothing is totally untrue or true.

    You have to discern.

    Me, I’m just here for the flowers 🌺 🐐 🌸

    They call me smelly, Smelly El Chivo.

    It’s really fun to watch The Muppet Show!

    Please continue.

    Encore!



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    Post by dan Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:41 am

    It is no small irony that Donald Trump is commanding more allegiance with his absence than he was with his presence........ kinda like Jesus.  

    It is reductionists and deconstructionists who ruined Truth.  

    Maybe that’s not fair.  There never was a concept of Truth....... until John 16 13...... he will guide you into all the Truth........

    Think 🤔 about it........

    This introduces the notion that truth is going to be both personal and inter subjective...... and in our future....... something that will never have been seen before.  

    It will come to us out of left field, and smack us over the head.  

    What then is science up to........?

    Science is the warmup act.  

    Scientific reductionism and deconstructionism were just a deck clearing operation.  

    Yes, mountains of detritus have accumulated...... over the aeons.  

    It was getting high time for a house cleaning 🧹.  

    The result is a cosmic Vacuum.  

    And, yes, Nature...... that is human nature..... abhors a vacuum.  
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
       The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
       The best lack all conviction, while the worst
       Are full of passionate intensity.
    This intensity comes to us gratis the Christian nationalists.  

    There is no filter...... no discernment...... God said, I believe it, that settles it.  

    The spirit of truth........?

    Hey, buddy, that was Pentecost....... been there, done ✅ that, and we have the t-shirt.  

    Now, get out of our church ⛪, or we’re calling the police 👮!  

    Yes, they are sitting on a gold mine of Truth, but they have no shovel.  

    The good Lord, in her great wisdom, decided they weren’t quite ready....... they could not bear it....... back then.  

    But, hey, not to worry, in just 40 more days they were gonna be ready.  

    Hmmm 🤔............

    Anyone for 730,000 more days........ and still counting.......!



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    Post by jofo Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:05 am

    the "truth" is just what people think...there's nothing universal about it

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    Post by dan Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:10 am

    1810z.........

    Well, John,

    I invite you to explain that to the scientists.

    É Pluribus Unum...... springs to mind.  

    What are we to make of that?  

    But, yes, I readily agree that everyone of us has hold of a significant piece of the Truth.  

    But all the king’s horses and all the king’s men........

    Or am I thinking of the Tower of Babel?  

    Why would the I Am ever do a nasty thing like that to us?  

    Is it just possible that we were not ready for the Truth.  

    What would we have to do to be ready?  

    Well, how about living out the rest of our allotted span of history?  

    Hey, we just wanted to storm the pearly gates.  

    And the Princess 👸 agrees with the I Am........ we’re just not ready.  

    So, what is the poor little chick 🐥 gonna do about it?  

    Am I gonna get angry 😤, or am I gonna get even?  

    Heck, I’ll just break her other toenail....... with my shin!  


    1930........

    I am suggesting, implicitly, certainly, that the advent of the Truth has eschatological implications for us.  

    No wonder that we’ve been gun shy 🙈 around any notion of the Truth?  

    When the cat’s away, the mice do play.  

    Can’t we just keep playing with the Truth...... yes, as a cat plays with a mouse?  

    Is little chick 🐥 some kind of party 🎉 pooper?  

    There is some truth to that.  

    I saw the whole, eschatological Truth, way back in 1981.  

    I attempted circulating it to my academic and theological acquaintances...... to no avail.  

    I had thrown in the towel on the SoT.  

    But then, in 1991, Sophia came a knockin’, again.  

    I made contact with Bob Oechsler and Larry Lemke.  

    They both directed me to foot 🦶.  

    Something was afoot.......

    It was the end of the Cold War...... folks were ready to move on.  

    Move to where?

    The luster of science was becoming a bit tarnished...... our blue sky dreams were fading.

    Ecology offered us perpetual sustainability...... at best.

    Who are we; from whence did we come, and whither do we go?



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:37 pm

    Any god or muppet telling me what to do can go to hell.

    Discernment is in fact all of the work.

    All of it and beer and flowers and pot and love and poetry and beauty and music.

    The rest...

    “The best lack all conviction.”

    True fucking that.

    Most just can’t get past their view and feelings.

    What I am amazed at is how causally the trumpets say kill them.

    Kill them?!

    That’s their answer?

    That’s pure stupidity and ignorance.

    But that’s their problem.

    I’ll not fight them.

    I just step aside when that bulls comes at me.

    The trick is to learn to reverse bull jump like the Minoans.

    Smelly goat doesn’t throw in the towel.

    Smelly goat will never stop digging and bring up his treasure.

    Ever, maybe when my breath is gone, no choice then.

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    Post by dan Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:53 pm

    I believe that we are here to experience and learn.  

    We do this by being involved....... in life.  

    As we get older, this becomes more vicarious.  

    I believe I was fortunate to be vouchsafed even a small and foggy window onto a particular arena...... an arena that may provide us with more insight into Gauguin’s perennial questions...... who are we, etc.........

    I think it behooves us to be inquiring as to what makes us tick.

    Chivo attends mainly to his internal gyro.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:35 pm

    I explore that gyro and I am in life Dan, so your gonna have to try harder to paint me as self involved.

    I have learned to share my experience in word, again, not totally cut off.

    I will use my tools until I find better ones and I upgrade my psychic software constantly.

    I am both, in this world and of it.

    I am also learning and exploring all aspects of life and sharing this too begging for sincere authenticity from others by being such.

    I’d say I found my way to live here.

    How shall we live is the first question.

    Who we are, shrug, I have my view I am able to see, whether others see what I see, I can’t say unless we dialogue.

    To each his own.

    If you don’t open the doors to others and their thinking and loving, then you do miss out.

    But I don’t waste my time with muppets.

    I’d prefer to mercilessly taught them.

    If the target can see through it, good for them, if not, doesn’t matter.  

    I believe in the zen stick as the best instruction.

    Life is too short.

    I am for the lovers.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:40 pm

    Psyche has made a deep deep strike against the muppets.

    This GameStop stock situation is huge.

    They halted trading.

    They have just been exposed, the system only works for the few.

    Seems the world is about to go kaboom 🤯 for realz.

    What a stinking corrupt pile of muppet 💩

    These raiders can squeeze companies to death and get bailouts?!

    They shorted AMC and GameStop 140%, beyond the value of the outstanding stock.

    This proves the power of decentralized currency again.

    Which is a great threat to these power groups.

    That’s not a conspiracy.

    That’s market forces.

    But psyche rose in the people like in the trumpets and the times they are a changing.

    It gets better.

    The hedge funds who shorted this doubled down and are rigging the system. They published fake stories that they had got out of the stock, lies, to drive the price down, but the Reddit stock club isn’t backing down. What’s crazy is the Reddit group is backed by white supremacists. They may treat this as a domestic terror incident, it may be, it’s all twisted up.

    WTF 😳

    You wanna see behind the simulation, you are looking at it.

    It is laid bare.

    They found an infinite money hack.

    This is psychological warfare.

    What an attack!

    I’m rooting against the evil hedge funds.

    But what are the white hate gonna do with all that money 💰

    I didn’t know they were that smart.

    They let this redditor invent the scheme and then they booted him out.

    They thugged this.

    Must be Bannon related.

    I think this is a psychic flare up.

    Another big crack in the egg 🥚

    Bahahahaha

    You know, I don’t know if I get to live to retirement.

    Live for today!
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    Post by dan Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:28 am

    1630z..........

    A question for immaterialists is why does the cat get hungry when it’s not being observed.  

    This is a variation on....... how odd that the tree continues to be, when there’s no one about on the quad.

    It is alleged that the atoms are our internal gyros...... that keep the world and everything in it going around.  

    If it’s not the atoms, we have to find something else to blame.  

    Where does the ontological buck stop 🛑?  

    What fuels the stock market...... besides greed and fear?  

    I’ve not been able to find anything better to blame than the I Am...... and I don’t actually believe in the I Am.  

    Yes, the I Am is a bit of an abstraction.  

    There is a sense in which the Ouroboros is a perpetual motion machine, which is synonymous with the BPW, where time is the principal illusion.  

    But if time is an illusion, how do we explain the cat’s hunger?  

    Time is composed of wheels within wheels.  

    With Personalism, it is persons who are the ultimate pivot..... collectively.  

    The synchrony of the parts is the manifestation of Monism...... and we’re back to the I Am.  

    Is the I Am the Newtonian watchmaker?  

    Are we back to b,j&c?  

    It’s either the little bang or the Big Bang.  

    The Logos Spermatikos is the gleam in the eye 👁 of the I Am.  

    By definition, the best possible world is possible.  

    The only serious question is whether any other world is possible.  

    It’s easy to just say no!  

    Any other answer leads into an infinite regress.  

    Mama don’t allow no infinite regresses.  

    And every day, every one of us sapients has to decide.......

    To be or not to be.......

    The BPW turns out to be our only possible conspiracy.  

    I guess we’ll just have to get over it, and get used to it.  


    1720.........

    Gary/GSB used to be a big fan of Mad Max Tegmark.  

    His was the opposite claim....... every possible world had to exist.  

    Well, I wouldn’t be so sure about that.  

    Isn’t there an observer problem?  

    Ok, the observer problem is a quantum problem, but who ordered the Quantum?  

    Or, which came first........ the O or the Q?  

    Can we even imagine a world without a Quantum?  

    Mad Max says, yes....... little chick 🐥 says, no.

    And, heck, I don’t even believe in the Quantum!

    But does the Quantum explain why the unobserved cat 🐈 still gets hungry 😋?  

    What about the conservation of energy?  

    But do you know who explained the conservation of energy?  

    That was Amy......... Amy Noether...... hmmm.... make that Emmy.

    Emmy’s theorem applies to systems that have a differentiable action, and so they have a least action, and we’re right back to good ol’ Gottfried Leibniz, and his LAP....... least action principle.  

    I’ve got a sneaking suspicion that Gottfried and the Quantum go hand in hand...... somehow.  

    Gottfried came up with both the BPW and the LAP, which are closely related concepts.  

    Conservation laws depend on dynamical symmetries.  

    And check this out........ symmetries are much more integral to the quantum world than to the classical world.  

    This is certainly true for imaginary numbers, which play such an essential role in the former.

    I’m not going to try to prove this, but the plausibility is certainly on my side.

    The hungry kitty and Schroedinger’s cat must have a lot in common.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jan 29, 2021 3:30 pm

    Max T is awesome and authentic.

    He is very poetic in his science and speech.

    You got anything to say about the stock market Dan?
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    Post by dan Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:07 am

    1410z.........

    Oh, yes, Mad Max is awesome 😎, he is also dead wrong.

    Max provides the reductio ad absurdum of the Multiverse.  

    He used to be Gary’s hero, but we don’t hear so much about him, of late.  

    Gary realizes that the Multiverse will be a hard sell on OMF.  

    And, poor Chivo, he’s probably going to have to replace me when I’m gone....... after he meets me on the road to Damascus.  


    In the meantime, we need to get on with Chivo’s physics lesson.......

    We do that by harking back to Immanuel...... Kant......

    He was the last philosopher who got away with telling the physicists how to do physics....... all the way up until Einstein.  

    He got to tell the physicists that space was a figment of their Euclidean imagination....... until Albert came along and bent it...... like Bekkum..... well, like Riemann.  

    The little chick 🐥 has been a long time in coming, but there’s gonna be payback on behalf of the philosofawsers......

    It was the Quantum and Emmy who set the stage.  

    Well, Albert also invented the Quantum, but he treated it like his crazy uncle in the attic........ which it was, exactly.  

    Basically, Kant said that, if space didn’t already exist, we would have had to invent it....... which we did, anyway.  

    Then Albert came along and put a ding in it....... into space and Immanuel.  

    But Emmy and the Quantum are coming to the rescue....... somehow..... chick 🐥 just has to work it out.....

    It has something to do with Wigner and the UEM.  

    The Quantum is the loophole of physics...... actually a rabbit 🐇 hole 🕳 that is big enough to drive a truck 🛻 through it.

    In fact, we’re gonna drive the universe right through it.  

    In fact, space has to do with symmetry, and symmetry has to do with the Quantum....... just ask Eugene..... he wrote the book...... Symmetries and Reflections...... borrowing heavily from Emmy, no doubt.  

    None of it would have been possible without the Schrödinger wave equation...... which positively cries out for symmetries.  

    The symmetry of space has everything to do with our level playing field....... that we call Creation..... East of Eden.  

    Eden wasn’t so level....... hey, it was theocentric.  

    We had to ditch the old man 👴🏾, in order to have a little fun 🤩...... until daddy took the t-bird away......... 🐥


    1810..........

    The Quantum doesn’t actually go out and manufacture space.  

    However, if you give us a pivot, we will move the world 🌎.  

    The Quantum is our pivot.  

    Intentional observation is our lever.  

    Where is mind?  In the head?  

    Consider the extended mind thesis (EMT).  

    Where does subjectivity end and objectivity begin?  

    Under the skin?  Over the Moon?  

    How objective are our smart phones?  OMF?

    Don’t forget the concave Earth hypothesis (CEH)....... talk about symmetry.  

    Think of the Quantum as a cranny in the wall of classical physics, and then think of the flower in the cranny.  

    Now just remove the wall, and there we are.  

    Conformal invariance is an essential symmetry of quantum field theory.  

    It is the statement that quantum fields are invariant under various forms of inflation.  

    Inflation is what happened with the Big Bang...... starting at the Planck length.  

    Space is all about quantum inflation.  This has to do with quantum renormalization theory.  


    2140..........

    Dreamscapes are our personal space.  

    Upon awakening we enter an interpersonal space.  

    What might the Quantum have to do with such spaces?  

    We have gone from an egocentric space to an anthropocentric space.  

    We might call it geocentric.  

    Why not revert to Newton’s absolute/infinite space?  

    Einstein showed us how we could limit space, in non arbitrary manner, if we saw fit.  

    Why impose limits?  

    What’s wrong with unlimited?

    Modernity has grown rather accustomed to the notion of the infinite.

    We are ok with the idea of being lost in space.

    The existentialists take positive delight in those wide open spaces.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:41 am

    Max is a beautiful human being.

    What he knows or not doesn’t matter.

    He’s open and connected to his heart.

    That’s why he is so beautiful, to me anyway.

    I only notice those living in the heart.

    Eros can’t be denied though.

    This is what those lost in the shadow can find to lead them out of their own darkness.

    This is the only way to reach those lost in shadow.

    You must walk with them in the heart.

    This is the only and I mean the only way.

    The world is lost in shadow.

    It is cruel, silly and childish, churlish.

    Not all who wander here are lost.

    No tree may grow to heaven, unless its roots reach down to hell.

    The way through is down into the shadow.

    Trump was pure shadow.

    Hell is human genius.

    The way through, is down, if I were you, I wouldn’t hold on to anything too tightly.

    Carl Jung’s predictions about this psychic disease 🦠 were prescient.

    It is a disease of projection and over abstraction.

    If you follow conspiracies and disclosure, you are very sick, but you can get better.

    We have a severe psychic disease.

    Most have no idea they have it.

    Time to see the big therapist in the sky maybe.

    This is the time when the shadow walks on earth.

    You hear equal part tears 😭 in its petulant screams of rage.

    The child is awake.

    It hurts me very deeply.

    To live now, in this time of disease, is very very painful.

    Of course I am awake now to help heal this disease.

    The medicine comes slowly but slow and thick and green and when you smell it, it smells like everything and if you let this green syrup cover you and penetrate you.

    You will be born again and mushrooms will grow out of your 👂  and 👀  and 👄

    Don’t fight it Wink

    Drink up.

    Yes, drink it all down.

    Everything I found to love in life, was found in the heart.

    Whenever I have suffered, it has been outside of the heart.

    But you are never free of your heart.

    Not even the worst of us is.

    When Christ bids one to come, he bids him to come and die and live, in the heart.

    Life would be nothing without the feeling of being.

    And we do have great feeling.

    Feelings orphaned from the heart, rage and whither.

    The storm may crash and howl, but around the fire 🔥 with the ones you love, any storm can be overcome.

    “Why should we feel anger at the world, as if the world notice.”

    —Marcus Aurelius

    You can never defeat me.

    I’m already here, around the fire 🔥 yuh are always invited, even hobbits.

    This internet space is an abstracted AI version of myself.

    You cannot truly know me through this AI interface.

    No one is really who they appear to be.

    This is the curse of abstraction.

    It’s easy to get lost out here.

    Mankind is now clutching at its collective head and heart and it has a terrible hang over.

    God called and said...

    Take two aspirin and call me in the morning.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:06 pm

    OMF is our own little Plato’s cave.

    And these writings are about each of our journeys in and out of the cave.

    And it all matters and is meaningful for those born again or on the verge of death.

    Left foot said nothing said matters here.

    Well that showed you who left foot is.

    He has not been born again.

    Every word has meaning inner and outer.

    When one has been born again, they can share their feeling of being as myth in the world.

    We are one eyed Odin looking for our other eye.
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    Post by dan Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:29 am

    1330z........

    If donny had won the election, Chivo would be speaking out of the other side of his mouth.  

    He almost did, had not foot 🦶 offered little chick 🐥 Wuhan 🦠 on a silver platter.  

    But that’s ok ✅, what Chivo doesn’t know won’t hurt him.

    But here’s the problem........ give chick 🐥 an inch, and he’s wont to take a mile.  

    I’ll simply declare Wuhan to be a quantum virus 🦠, and then I’ll take the rest of the Quantum along with it.  

    Here’s the deal....... someone’s gotta make a federal case out of the Quantum, and the physicists 👩🔬 are just too timid to do so.  

    And I will do so on behalf of Wigner’s Friend.  I guess I’ll just have to be Wigner’s friend....... from now on.  

    And why is the Quantum such a big deal?  

    It has to do with the I Am....... and with Protagoras.  

    Protagoras nailed the Measurement problem....... ‘man’ is the measure 📏.  

    Ok ✅, I’ll run 🏃️ with that........

    Back in the 80’s, during lunch 🥗 in DC, and being a good Hindu, Amit opined that bacteria were the measure of all things.  

    After all, didn’t bacteria invent chemotaxis?  

    Just glancing at his current Google list...... he may be changing his tune a bit.  

    But Amit had a point that was persuasive....... it had persuaded every physicist 👩🔬.  

    If you’re not duly persuaded, you are forced to declare yourself a metaphysician.  

    I’ll go one better, and be the cosmic physician 👩, if no one else wants the job.  

    How dare the chick 🐥?  How?  It’s easy...... it’s not what I know..... it’s who I know, and I know foot 🦶.

    In this business, it takes three to tango 1,2,3&3.5.  

    That’s why we’re trinitarians.  


    1420..........

    The problem is that little chick 🐥 is a monist, so there really can only be one measurement....... that’s why we pass the buck to the I Am.  

    Measurement is about being, and there can only be one Being.

    And guess what....... it was our friend, Parmenides, who first deployed the concept of Being....... what is, is.  

    Ok ✅, Pa, what is?  

    Parmenides didn’t exactly nail it down, but chick 🐥 would venture that the I Am did so nail it.  

    I’ll grant all you skeptics out there that the I Am could well be a figment of our imagination.  

    But so what?  What are you going to do about it?  

    I’ve got a Quantum in my pocket that says you lose.  

    Some one has got to manage the magic.  

    John Wheeler stated that the only real phenomenon is an observed phenomenon.  

    A corollary is that there are no unobservables......... so we’re back to the hungry kitty cat.........

    I’m thinking 🤔 that Emmy took care of the hungry 🤤 kitty 🐈⬛.  

    So then chick 🐥 can take care of the hungry universe 🌌.  

    This reminds me of the puzzle 🧩....... can a universe consist of two identical balls ⚽?  And, actually, for the puzzle to go through, the balls have to be featureless.  


    1540.........

    Perhaps we can cut to the chase....... we are back to Leibniz with the II...... identity of indiscernibles, which turns out to be the cornerstone of the world 🌎.  

    Well, there cannot be two identical fermions in the same quantum state.  

    This comes from the Pauli exclusion principle........
    the Pauli principle follows from applying a rotation operator in imaginary time to particles of half-integer spin.




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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:12 am

    Talk about being lost in the shadows ^^^^

    Poor chickie.

    He doesn’t realize how he is being played.

    Guess what he doesn’t know won’t hurt him.

    He has no idea the dead are here.

    Barfield, Nietzsche and Jung sent me.

    The ghosts of disclosure past, present and future.

    Dan would kill to talk to them.

    But he isn’t in his heart around the 🔥

    He isn’t in his heart.

    Oh well.

    You really can’t teach old dogs new tricks.

    You can bring them to the water, drink it in front of them, but can’t make them drink.

    Psychic disease is powerful.

    The disease is still here of course, it is raging now.

    Tentacled monster.

    You can hear its cries on the wind.

    The world has not yet tired of war.

    The child is awake and terrible.

    Scoobie doobie do, we have some work to do now.

    Nothing will be given to us.

    You have to die for it.

    I wish you a great death!

    The dead have a message for you all.

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    Post by dan Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:07 am

    Chivo,

    I know...... being God is dirty work, but somebody gotta do it.  

    You should be everlastingly grateful.......... there, but by the grace of God went Chivo 🐐!


    And then there is Heisenberg.......
    Heisenberg would later state that “My mind was formed by studying philosophy, Plato and that sort of thing". and that "Modern physics has definitely decided in favor of Plato. In fact the smallest units of matter are not physical objects in the ordinary sense; they are forms, ideas which can be expressed unambiguously only in mathematical language"
    So much for materialism.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:16 am

    You might want to walk to your nearest looney bin and check yourself in for a long rest grandpa.

    I’m talking to dead people, I guess I should check myself in next door.
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    Post by dan Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:18 am

    1620.......

    Sorry, Chivo,

    Been there....... done ✅ that!

    Besides, I’ve been checked out by the Chief of Psychiatry at the CIA, over lunch.    

    He mostly just regaled foot 🦶 and me with ‘war’ stories from his FBI counterpart....... how do you spell zoophilia?

    It was a lengthy story....... we might even call it a shaggy dog 🐶 story!  

    He was also Kit’s personal physician.  


    2300.......

    With shenanigans like GameStop, I would be looking for the exits.  

    We have ‘good’ money chasing after bad money.  


    Back to the Quantum........

    Not enough folks are aware that the materiality of matter hinges upon such abstruse mathematical properties.  

    But so what......?

    Well, this is the stuff that dreams are made of.  

    What does this tell us about the essence of Being?


    0050.........

    Doesn’t the hungry kitty 🐈 give substance to the unobservable universes?  

    Understand that the there must be an infinity ♾ of unobservable universes, just to explain away our Anthropic coincidences.  

    Our night sky seems filled with unobservable worlds.  

    Is there a difference?  

    Well, the Mandelbrot set is also filled with an infinity of unobserved worlds.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:26 am

    Hey, if they aren’t wondering about your sanity, you are doing it wrong.

    Though, I don’t think being vouched safe by a medical spook really means much.

    But I’m sure you must have escaped!

    Perhaps you should be searching for yourself.

    Anyway, all the abstracted words are nothing compared to being here.

    The CIA can only have wet dreams about the fields the smelly goat lives and grazes in.

    🌱🌿🌾☘ 🐐

    They can only dream.

    Oh what dreams may come?

    But who can get beyond dreamland?

    Smelly pulls his head up and looks around the garden...

    Nope, no muppets about.

    Keep dreaming 👻👻👻

    Can you make it beyond the dream?

    If you are willing to lose your minds and your asses, maybe.

    Eternity ain’t for wimps or muppets or 👻👻👻

    a curious murder
    of crows descends
    like a shimmering cloth
    upon the cracked face
    of the slumbering earth
    blood 🩸 red embers
    shimmer in the glowing 🔥
    cynic meets believer
    🐔 meets 🐐
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:06 pm

    Notice the chick won’t address the GameStop revolt.

    He must have his head in the sand or up someone’s b**t.
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    Post by dan Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:56 am

    1600z.........

    Eugene Wigner veered away from von Neumann’s view of the essential role of consciousness in quantum measurement.  

    Gene feared the rabbit hole 🕳 of solipsism.  

    Little chick 🐥 is a bit less timid, in that regard.  

    Chick 🐥 is a monist solipsist.  

    What is a measurement without a record?

    What is a record?  

    God only knows!  

    What is an unobserved universe?  

    What is an observed universe?  

    Folks would say that we’re looking at it.  

    We can easily imagine the solar system without the Earth.  We can imagine this universe without life.  

    But wait a minute........

    How would we know that it was _this_ universe?

    How can we discern one unobservable universe from any other?  

    We are assuming that there must reside, therein, a homunculus....... a kind of mini me that can serve as a proxy observer.  

    This is what many of us think is the essence of pantheism....... lots of little homunculi running around.  

    What is the Quantum, other than a homunculus?  

    Where is Occam when we need him?  


    1640...........

    Let’s face it, sports fans, we are God’s homunculi...... and we do run around.  

    And are we ever entangled!  

    To say that we are social beings might be an understatement.  

    And there is only one record...... the Akashic one.  

    The Akashic record is not terribly unlike the Cloud....... but also, open your eyes 👀...... it’s all around us.  

    So where does the monism come in?  

    It comes with the unity of consciousness.  

    Consciousness is unified....... all the way up, and all the way down.  

    Our universal faculty of communication points in that direction.  

    Is your sensation of green likely to be something else?  

    Synesthesia points towards a unity.

    The mere concept of personal identity..... self awareness.... begs for an explanation.  

    The universality of the concept of personhood points to a common ground of our Being.  

    And....... so what?  

    Well, I observe that the cat exists, and my friend observes that I exist.  

    Where does the buck stop?  

    Why should it have to stop?  

    It can’t stop.  

    If it ever stops........ game over.  

    Where does the game start?  

    Can it start?  

    Our cosmic homunculus is the Logos Spermatikos........ the strangely looping bootstrap........ floating in the Abyss?  

    Humanity seems poised...... lemming like....... on the edge of the Abyss.  


    2110..........

    If we wish to speak of time, we may speak of the unity of the Present.  

    Was globalism too much unity?  

    Well, it was unity without community.  

    We were the lumpen proletariat....... it was communism without the slightest sense of communalism.  

    It was the lonely crowd....... nothing organic about it.  

    There was scant sense of participation.  There was more participation in the Capitol Hill mob.  

    Global populism is an attempt to find our roots...... amidst all the noise and chaos.  


    2210.........

    The Abyss...... the dark night of the soul....... for all its impersonal character, is another thing that we have in common.  It’s something that we all have to embrace....... at the ground of our being.  

    And how many abysses are there?  

    How many purples are there....... how many loves?  

    And what do we make of agape?  

    Yes, if we were contacted by galactic aliens alien, we might have to readdress the issue of monism and pluralism.  

    I think we may have sufficient angels and demons already on tap.  

    The extra terrestrial hypothesis (ETH) is not friendly to the BPWH.  

    If there is one ETW, there are likely to be an infinity ♾.  

    Most ufologists positively salivate over the possibility.

    Oh, little chick 🐥 believes in other worlds, but they are on the other side of the green door 🚪....... this is the IDH/UTH.  It is a different kettle of fish 🐟.    

    There are a plethora of worlds..... no further than the other side of our eyelids, if we put our minds to it....... or so Chivo tells us.  

    The reports back from most such travelers is to just forget it....... we have more than enough on our plates...... right here..... right now.  

    Would personalism be more convincing, if, instead of the Sun over our heads, we had a sunlamp?  

    With the ‘natural’ Sun, we get the ETH and Star Trek for free.  

    And even little chick 🐥 derives much pleasure from perusing the photos of distant galaxies 🌌.  The artwork is spectacular.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:22 pm

    Dan still is not talking about GameStop Wink

    That’s a clue if you are paying attention, haha.

    Dan is funny.
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    Post by Foresaperire Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:26 pm

    Smelly El Chivo wrote:Dan still is not talking about GameStop Wink

    That’s a clue if you are paying attention, haha.

    Dan is funny.

    Dan's Father was appointed by President Truman to oversee the IRS.  The financial matrix is a part of Dan's birth story and karma.

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