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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:16 am by Cyrellys

The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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    Post by dan Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:29 am

    First topic message reminder :

    Bjc could stand for lots of things.  It’s possible to suppose that it stands Baltimore Junior College.  It’s possible to suppose that c stands for chick, which is short for chicken.  

    Talk about a pink slip, yesterday, puts me in mind of being laid off, which puts me in mind of a retrospective.........

    And a topic header does require at least ten characters.......

    The allotted length for a thread is 40 pages...... giving us a chance to take the occasional breather...... as the show goes on.


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    Post by dan Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:19 am

    Yes, Chivo has broken out.

    He has proven that to my personal satisfaction, and probably to a few others, here.

    My mission, should I accept it, is to prove it to the rest of the world.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:21 am

    It’s ALL fake news.

    Every atom.

    And we muppets took it as so damn real.

    You can’t face the real.

    Reality doesn’t change.

    But yuh are the definition of change.

    Relax.

    Being relaxed is agape.

    It isn’t human love.

    We don’t know what agape is, but here we are.

    I’ll give you agape chicken, the only thing you have said worth a damn.

    Doesn’t foot know reality?

    Nope Wink

    And neither do I.

    I sense reality enough to know the rest is bullshit.

    I once was blind, but now I see.

    But you know what, I’m filled with a love I can’t describe.

    I don’t know what it is.

    That’s not a bad deal for a lost muppet.

    I would tell Dan his task is folly.

    Cause everyone has a built in kill switch for this exact scenario.

    Muppets will believe anything if you tell them and show them the best way.

    I personally just maintain this creative stream.

    It doesn’t matter who it connects with.

    As I race to my death, I’ve been recording the event as best I can.

    I know it means nothing to anyone else really.

    Well, my expression and being is my meaning.

    Dan is the meaning.

    This is the meaning.

    For me, my expression of this is an act of respect and worship to being.

    I accept it.

    I accept my unreality.

    I accept my muppethood.

    And it is glorious!

    Fucking fantastic!

    😎
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    Post by dan Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:01 pm

    Chivo, you don’t say...........


    And then there is this........ https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/opinion/coronavirus-apocalyptic-novels.html


    Is there such a thing as fake news 📰?  

    Is there such a thing as a fake story?  

    Do unicorns and Santa Claus santa exist?  

    I’m of the RAW persuasion........ reality is the sum total of every conspiracy that has ever been imagined.  

    Have I no skepticism?  

    Yes, I’m very skeptical 🧐 of objectivity.

    There are no objects........ only stories about ‘objects’ that we love to tell each other.  

    My all time favorite 😍 is the (best possible) Eschaton story.  

    There not being an Inauguration would feed into that story.  

    We tell stories about atoms, stars and numbers......... alchemy, astrology and numerology.  Now, we take the derivative (scientific) stories much too seriously 😒.  

    We look for love in all the wrong 😑 places.  


    2230.........

    Ok, in what sense is an atom bomb 💣 not objective, for instance?  

    Well, one thought is to start the discussion with Gaston Bachelard and the Psychoanalysis of Fire.......

    If we get a psychological handle on fire 🔥, this would be a big step toward psychologizing a bomb.  

    I read the book a long time ago, and now just looking at the table of contents....... he’s mostly just analyzing our perceptions of fire...... I need to take it the other way...... into ontology.  


    Chivo 🐐,

    Let me know if you snare any muppets.  


    Fire is an accelerated form of metabolism.  A bomb is an accelerated form of fire....... and fusion brings the Sun down to Earth.  

    What about volcanoes 🌋?  

    What about a wildfire?  

    Subjective?  

    What about a meteor...... a hurricane....... an auto wreck?  

    What about a chair or bed?

    Or, on the other hand, suppose there were none of the above?  

    Which situation would be harder to psychologize?  

    Where would we be, if we couldn’t play with matches and metabolism?

    In a word........ we would not be human.  

    Where would we be without entropy?  We would have cosmic constipation.  

    Where would cities be without wrecking balls?  

    Civilizations are built on the ashes........

    And where would the Alpha be without an Omega?  

    If time is an illusion, what is entropy?  

    Explain the directionality of time.  

    Try to tell me that it is due to the CP violation of the neutral K decay...... and, yes, I do know Val.  

    Gaston tells us that fire has to do with the hearth.  

    You’d better believe it, sports fans.

    The hearth is just as central to our existence/history as the Sun.  

    And, speaking of stories, what about history?  


    0150........

    What was subjective about a nuclear weapon devastating Hiroshima?  

    Many hearths were vaporized.  

    Many suppose there will be more Hiroshimas...... worse viruses 🦠.....   before this is over.


    Perhaps the only way to put an end to human madness will be to reveal the Truth of our existence.  

    Even caged animals will resort to killing.  

    Perhaps it’s time to unlock the cage.  

    Just a thought..........

    Can Hiroshima be explained without bending a knee to the tyranny of atoms?  

    What is the ecology of nuclear weapons....... pray tell?

    The ecology is that they have made world wars unacceptable.  

    And, yes, there is a connection between portals and the nuclear ☢ infrastructure....... the global penchant for secrecy.  

    Yes, the God of Revelation is also the God of concealment.  

    This is the ecology of the Logos...... and the Hearth.  

    Does this explain chain reactions?  

    When the sky falls on our little world, you will see a chain reaction that you won’t ever forget........
    I met a devil woman, she took my heart away
    She said I had it comin' to me, but I wanted it
    that way
    I think that any love is good lovin'
    And so I took what I could get, mmm
    Oooh, oooh, she looked at me with big brown eyes
    And said

    You ain't seen nothin' yet
    B-B-B-Baby, you just ain't seen nothin' yet
    Here's something that you never gonna forget
    B-B-B-Baby, you just ain't seen nothin' yet

    And I think little chick 🐥 could dedicate this song to El Chivo 🐐.


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    Post by Big Bunny Love Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:06 pm

    When you burn 🔥

    You realize

    You don’t know shit

    You are the shit Wink

    Oh shit!

    I’ll pick this up in my other thread...

    This next download is gonna be a bit much for the muppets.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:49 pm

    “Do what you will, this Life’s a Fiction
    And is made up of Contradiction.”

    —William Blake
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    Post by dan Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:01 am

    1700z........

    Chivo........ https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t338p475-livin-your-best-life#33858
    What matters most is a human being coming face to face with oneself and realizing this and embodying this power.

    Nisargadatta called this your deva, the immortal at the heart of the mortal, this is his guru who he worshiped and prayed to.

    Ok, the Kingdom is within.  

    Truth and love are within....... along with everything else.  

    But within what?

    Chivo does lean toward solipsism....... and there is that of God in all of us........ and God comes by her solipsism honestly.  

    Let God be cosmic consciousness.  

    And there is the Abyss in each of us.  

    It takes those two to tango.  

    It is a balancing act...... other persons are both our safety net and our ladder to reach that high wire.  

    But it’s not just an act...... a virtuoso performance 🎭.  

    It is the Destiny for all of us...... it is the only route back to our Source.  

    We would not be persons if we just had both feet on the ground.  

    This is not our home.  

    There is a ‘cursed’ rootlessness that we all share..... which makes us what we are.

    Here we are stewing....... building up a head of steam.  

    This, of course, is the part of ourselves that you, flat out, reject.  

    The bguy rejected it.  


    1800..........

    We can turn off our minds........ think only about our next meal.  

    Did Buddha do this?  No, he thought about the Abyss.  

    It is impossible to never think of poetry and music.  

    Even the indigenous are not indigenes...... they have some of the most elaborate cosmologies.  

    Nature is populated with a plethora of spirits to be appeased..... propitiated.  There has always been the sacred canopy.  

    The Abyss is real...... it is also the construct of a settled and stratified society.  

    Being here, now is the construct of an unrooted civilization...... always on the go.  

    Chivo studiously eschews the transcendental...... and so do almost all professionals.  

    Chivo unconsciously styles himself as the philosopher of the acosmic.  

    He articulates their profound metaphysical abstention.  

    He is the shaman to the philosophically dispossessed.

    Chivo 🐐 is the occasional loyal antithesis of little chick 🐥.  


    1900........

    Then there is the story of science.........

    Science was the deracination of the Nature spirits....... making straight the way for the coming of the Eschaton........ greasing the skids of the Apocalypse.  

    Yes, science is all about depersonalization...... about objectification.  

    It has run into the limits of its analysis of Nature.  

    Science has found that there is no such thing as a bare particle...... as a naked object...... even black holes are hirsuite.  

    Nature is irreducibly fuzzy.  

    Is this cosmic censorship?  

    Life has found its niche in all that fuzz....... at least from the perspective of Darwin.  

    Consciousness needs no niches...... thank you very much, Chuck.  

    Science has attempted to mechanize..... to routinize..... our transcendental impulse in the form of material progress....... in the form of artificial intelligence......... free energy......

    Scientism has us standing on the hilltops, scanning the skies for ET..... for the technological Singularity.  

    Like some cargo cult, we, moderns, anxiously await our prophesied pie 🥧 in the sky 🌌.  

    But someone has moved our cheese 🧀.  

    The Kingdom is within....... but on your way to the Kingdom, mind the Abyss.  

    With all due respect to Chivo......... don’t leave ‘home’ without an interpersonal guidance system.  

    This is why psychedelics are so self limited........ there is no interpersonal dimension.  

    Yes, sports fans, portals do come with safety lids.  They are childproof........ ask the Princess.  Even, or especially, the little chick 🐥 is not flight certified.  

    We are like a critical mass in a nuclear reactor....... except for the fact that there are no obvious control rods to prevent a meltdown....... anyone for a China 🇨🇳 Syndrome?

    No matter how well designed are the safety seals on the portals....... it won’t be easy for St Peter to stand guard while the desperate are storming the gates.



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:53 pm

    The soul finally confesses...it is love.

    Dan, of course we toil in hell.

    Loving that work leads out of it.

    But then this becomes heaven in a sense.

    Yuh embody being.

    We are being.

    You know the goddess in antiquity was a being with three aspects.

    One of the oldest goddesses African Ngame.

    I spoke to her the other night.

    I stand here with the ancestors.

    I have given them voice through profound personalism.

    I believe I tripped into the Underwood just like they all did.

    Oh yes.

    And I have returned...it is love.



    I know the muse.

    She came to me when I was done.

    Finished.

    She said, yuh fucked it all up to reach here, didn’t ya?!

    She embraced me like no other lover.

    She breathed life into me and for the first time I came to my senses.

    Until you have tasted her pleasures I don’t believe you have lived.

    Great powers are living us and I’m playin out ancient comedies and tragedies.

    She holds onto me jealously.

    I give myself to slavery without a thought.

    She only wanted me to come out and play.

    And we have had the most grand time.

    I have tasted love.

    I have let it consume me.

    I would do so forever.

    I dance her puppet dance.

    I have to say this love is the only real thing I’ve known.

    What can I say about the rest really?

    When you yield to it, it floods you all at once.



    The rest are just shadow games.



    If Trump knew love like this, he would be growing a garden.

    I hope he gets some time in prison to get his hands in the dirt.

    He of course is already in prison.

    No prison can hold this.

    The bars are made of chocolate.
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    Post by dan Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:52 am

    I’m suspecting that we’re in feigenbaum territory with regard to the opening of the portals.

    We’re just trying to figure out how far off the real axis we are with respect to the period doubling.  

    What’s the frequency, Kenneth?

    It has to do with the entanglement.  

    Reality is the sum total of every portal/conspiracy ever imagined.  

    f = 4.669

    donny might have just gotten on the wrong side of this number.  

    donny was being used as a probe into this entanglement....... close, but not quite. What’s the frequency, donny?



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:54 am

    93 = Agape or Thelema(Will)

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    Post by GSB Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:15 pm

    The email, obtained via Freedom of Information Act request, shows an October 16th, 2019 exchange between then Vice Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Robert Burke, and current Vice Chief of Staff for the Air Force General Stephen “Steve” Wilson.

    In the email, Adm. Burke tells Gen. Wilson, “Recommend you take the brief I just received from our Director of Naval Intelligence VADM Matt Kohler, on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).” Adm. Burke concludes the email, “SECNAV [Secretary of the Navy] will get the same brief tomorrow at 1000.”

    The “SECNAV” referenced in Adm. Burke’s email was then-Secretary of the Navy, Richard V. Spencer. A little over a month after this UAP briefing, Spencer was fired by then-Secretary of Defense Mark Esper over public disagreements stemming from a series of controversies involving the court-martial of Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher.


    https://www.thedebrief.org/fast-movers-and-transmedium-vehicles-the-pentagons-uap-task-force/


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    Post by GSB Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:23 pm

    Overwhelmingly, everyone The Debrief spoke with said the most striking feature of the recently released UAPTF intelligence position report was the inclusion of new and “extremely clear” photograph of an unidentifiable triangular aircraft.

    The photograph, which is said to have also been taken from inside the cockpit of a military fighter jet, depicted an apparent aerospace vehicle described as a large equilateral triangle with rounded or “blunted” edges and large, perfectly spherical white “lights” in each corner. Officials who had seen it said the image was captured in 2019 by an F/A-18 fighter pilot.

    Two officials that received the report said the photo was taken after the triangular craft emerged from the ocean and began to ascend straight upwards at a 90-degree angle. It was indicated that this event occurred off the eastern coast of the United States. Several other sources confirmed the photo’s existence; however, they declined to provide any further specifics of the incident.


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    Post by Foot Mann Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:24 pm

    Tiger King Tags the Tiger by the Tail.
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    Post by GSB Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:27 pm

    One active defense official familiar with the current UAP investigations said the UAPTF has a wealth of photographic evidence, collected from military pilots’ personal devices as well as sophisticated DoD surveillance and reconnaissance platforms. The source also told us some of the best evidence the UAPTF has acquired comes from measurement and signals intelligence (MASINT), rather than from videos or still images.



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    Post by U Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:07 pm

    Foot Mann wrote:Tiger King Tags the Tiger by the Tail.

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    Post by Foot Mann Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:11 pm

    The Chicken wears his Mask. He has forgotten his Task. Instead in the filth he will Bask. Soon he will finish his Flask.
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    Post by hobbit Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:12 am

    GSB wrote:Overwhelmingly, everyone The Debrief spoke with said the most striking feature of the recently released UAPTF intelligence position report was the inclusion of new and “extremely clear” photograph of an unidentifiable triangular aircraft.

    The photograph, which is said to have also been taken from inside the cockpit of a military fighter jet, depicted an apparent aerospace vehicle described as a large equilateral triangle with rounded or “blunted” edges and large, perfectly spherical white “lights” in each corner. Officials who had seen it said the image was captured in 2019 by an F/A-18 fighter pilot.

    Two officials that received the report said the photo was taken after the triangular craft emerged from the ocean and began to ascend straight upwards at a 90-degree angle. It was indicated that this event occurred off the eastern coast of the United States. Several other sources confirmed the photo’s existence; however, they declined to provide any further specifics of the incident.


    PRESSURE....

    If the water is not touching the craft, then there is no pressure upon it, no matter the depth, it's deep off Andros.

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    Post by GSB Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:42 am

    The Chicken wears his Mask. He has forgotten his Task. Instead in the filth he will Bask. Soon he will finish his Flask.


    Cheers!



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    Post by dan Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:05 am

    1600z........

    The Inauguration may be back on......... with no path to the SCOTUS, there won’t be liberals rioting in the streets, so there can’t be martial law, and, without martial law, the Inauguration will go ahead.

    donny could ask the Princess 👸 to throw open the gates.  

    Then donny could declare a national emergency 🚨.......

    I mean, I’m just trying to be helpful to foot 🦶.  

    In the meantime, we’re back to Joe Exotic and Jeff Lowe...... and Anthony (?).    

    But I needed to have a code to contact Jeff through Anthony through the Las Vegas Sinaloa....... or something like that.  

    Jeff still has access to tigers, despite the news about Carole and about the proposed zoo in Thackerville.  

    On the way to Thackerville, I got distracted by the Red River, surrounding Thackerville, near which river my great uncle, George, was killed during the Civil War, blown off his horse by a shell fragment..... speaking of liberals rioting.  

    And then there is the chinchilla question 🙋.........

    The nearest chinchilla I could find, through adopt a pet, was in Stephens City, Va.  

    PetFinder seems to have better coverage.



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:14 pm

    There are many stories in story land.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:05 pm

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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:08 pm

    Foot Mann wrote:The Chicken wears his Mask. He has forgotten his Task. Instead in the filth he will Bask. Soon he will finish his Flask.

    Just because one stumbles down their road drunkenly, doesn’t mean it’s the wrong road.

    Drink up!

    You are all already dead.

    Cheers 🍻
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:10 pm

    This Bud’s for you!
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:45 pm

    For the gate is narrow and the way is hard,
    that leads to life,
    and those who find it are few.

    —Matthew vii, 14
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    Post by dan Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:25 pm

    2030z........

    Back to story land........

    The coherence theory of truth (CohTT) is a technical term to describe the Metanarrative perspective on the nature of reality....... a form of holism or relationalism.  It may also be associated with some forms of gnosticism.  

    However, gnostics generally take a very pessimistic view of Creation, ascribing Creation to a Demiurge of lower status than the more aloof Supreme Being.  This view is rather far removed from the BPWH.  

    On the traditional view, Creation = Nature.  

    On the BPWH, the only real distinction is between the personal and the interpersonal...... nature is the necessary background to the interpersonal realm.  

    Objects, natural and artificial, play a necessary role in our Metanarrative.  

    Nature and tools may be seen as necessary extensions of our bodies.  

    Our hands are mostly tools for manufacture.  

    We might be tempted to make distinctions between natural, handmade and mass produced objects...... the mass produced being more objective.  

    The automobile seems rather more objective than face painting, for instance.  

    The immaterialist little chick 🐥 is able to forgo that temptation.  

    Automobiles and bodies are all figments of our one dream..... all being an extension of the I Am.  

    The automobile and Mt Everest are both essential aspects of our Metanarrative...... aspects of Eternity...... as are you and I.  

    I don’t make any great distinction between physical and mathematical objects........ between mathematical and musical objects....... etc.  

    About all objects and each other, we have stories to tell.  

    The story is an essential aspect of the object.  

    Are there not non verbal aspects?  

    I believe in the Logos, but not necessarily in individual words.  


    2200.........

    I don’t believe in electrons, phonons or sound waves...... no more than I believe in mountains or automobiles.  

    However, technological progress is an essential part of our being..... and so is Gaia.  

    Yes, I believe in the story of technological progress more than I believe in technology, per se.  There is no such thing as ‘per se’....... it is only per us.  

    The Logos is written in our hearts...... along with the rest of the world.  

    As we are written in the heart of the I Am.  

    An automobile can crash into a tree, but not into a story.  

    Little chick 🐥 is disputing that assertion.  

    I don’t believe that car wrecks are accidents, anymore than I believe that the Big Bang was accident.   The Big Bang is an essential part of the scientific story of Creation.  

    I don’t believe that the Anthropic Principle is an accident.  

    I don’t believe the Moon is an accident.  

    Where would poets be without the Moon?

    Why do we, immaterialists, need Charlie Darwin?  

    We don’t have a clue how to have a story of Nature, without a scientific story.  

    If the Big Bang didn’t exist, we would have had to invent it...... and we probably did, after our teleological fashion.  

    How can we explain car wrecks without science?  

    Well, how do I explain a tornado?

    I explain it ecologically...... like a rain storm ⛈...... or fire 🔥..... or a tree 🌲 falling in the forest. It has to do with ecology and entropy.



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    Post by dan Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:38 am

    1340z........

    Ok, so what’s the difference between a car crash on the NJTpk and a tree falling in the middle of a forest........ ontologically speaking?

    There is a big difference if I happen to be sitting under the tree or riding in the car....... but beyond any personal interest......?  

    Does someone have to decide when a car crashes or a tree falls?
    There was a young man who said "God
    Must find it exceedingly odd
    To think that the tree
    Should continue to be
    When there's no one about in the quad."
    Doesn’t my imaginary playmate ever get hungry?  

    With respect to tree, I would suggest that continuity is less of a concern than discontinuity.

    Concern to whom?  

    Concern to sapience.  

    If you were a beetle in the bark of the tree when it fell over, it could ruin your whole day.

    But if you were a person living near the tree, and it didn’t fall over, it would become a federal case...... even if it were a redwood.  

    If you were in the New Jersey Dept of Transportation, and you noticed a dearth of car crashes, you might begin to wonder.  

    When an excursion occurs, too far from the norm, folks begin to wonder.  

    Are we sapients the ontology police 👮?  

    Well, if the atoms don’t decide stuff, then who does?

    Who enforces the norms?

    Who besides us?

    Who established the norms...... besides us?


    1520.........

    How do we make the laws?  How did we create the best possible world?  

    Let’s just say it was a case of distributed intelligence.  

    Well, the illusion is that it is distributed, but really it’s not.  

    We are like the prisms of a Fresnel lens.  We’re focused on the Earth 🌎.  

    And we are also the light behind the lens...... yes, we can walk and philosophize at the same time.  

    And now, with the advent of the internet, we comprise an active array radar.  

    Yes, donny was the fox 🦊 caught in the headlights...... he learned a new trick, but he really needed two.  

    His was the antechrist trick..... he got that one down pat.  

    He could walk....... he just couldn’t philosophize.  


    1610.........

    And about that entropy........ we are sure that it is a bottom up arrangement....... it is very easy to envision it that way...... all those atoms swerving in the void.  

    It has to do with entanglement and holography.  

    Each atom is, in fact, a microcosm.  

    It is about information....... all those bits and bytes.  

    It’s like the digits in the expansion of pi...... like a pixel on a screen.  

    Like a pixel in the Mandelbrot.  

    Yes, we are the pixel/prisms/brots of a phased array Mandelbrot.  

    The unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics manifests the glue of the Logos.  

    That’s what causes the driver on the NJTpk to be distracted at just the wrong time.  

    The glue of the Logos is called teleology...... which is cosmic intentionality.  

    Every hair on our head is numbered, and so are the days of our lives.  

    That numbering is what eternity is for.  

    Are you just glad that you’re not the cosmic Accountant?

    Well, guess what, sports fans, we are....... so get over it, and get used to it.  

    You’re driving down the NJTPK...... texting 💬....... you are a big blip on the cosmic phased array radar...... get over it 😑...... get used to it.  

    Doesn’t the cosmic phased array radar have blind spots?

    Yes and no.  

    Does mathematics have blind spots?  

    That’s what the Riemann hypothesis is for.  

    We are the non trivial zeros on the critical line of the Riemann zeta function.  We are the walking Riemann zero vectors...... get over it 😑........

    Don’t look 👀 now, but your telomeres are showing.....
    in each duplication the end of the chromosome is shortened (this is because the synthesis of Okazaki fragments requires RNA primers attaching ahead on the lagging strand)
     ...... so there!  


    0200.........

    The notion of bodily resurrection is something quite peculiar to Christianity.



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