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First topic message reminder :

Bjc could stand for lots of things.  It’s possible to suppose that it stands Baltimore Junior College.  It’s possible to suppose that c stands for chick, which is short for chicken.  

Talk about a pink slip, yesterday, puts me in mind of being laid off, which puts me in mind of a retrospective.........

And a topic header does require at least ten characters.......

The allotted length for a thread is 40 pages...... giving us a chance to take the occasional breather...... as the show goes on.

No, you copped out coopting a song about love’s ring of fire for conspiracy purposes.

Your mind is infected with mind parasites.

You are projecting your paranoia on things as you often do.

Wetiko.

From what you described about your wheel, you know everything you need to know.

You spoke about the only understanding of love’s ring of fire you could.

Let’s talk about your projection.

That’s what psyche has pulled up here on OMF.

I do jungian analysis 🧐 on the side now, free to omf users, hehe

I thought this guy sounds halfway sane.

Interesting story.





Max Tegmark said consciousness is how processing information feels like.



He’s poetic.

smelly,

Please describe the "parasites" YOU SAY my mind is infected with.

Don't cop out again as You did with the ring.


Hobbit

Dan, you need to watch this about Bob's new portal problem (interview with George Knapp):

https://www.krqe.com/new-mexico-cw-my50tv/mystery-wire/skinwalker-ranch-ufos-and-life-after-death-discussed-in-exclusive-interview-with-robert-bigelow/

I respect muppets authentic about life and death and how they feel.

I think life is beautiful due to its shortness, not tragic.

The ego sees death tragically because it thinks about what it may miss.



I detest distracted muppets ignoring their fear.

Hobbit, I’ll post about the mind parasites 🦠 in my personal omf thread, living your best life.

I’ve been fighting them for years but we have a detente now.

I’m committed always to living our best life here.

Let’s stop the old fashioned materialism.

Sharing oneself I think is the most sacred thing a human being can do.

Chivo, if you had to speculate do you think Travis Walton encountered flesh and blood entities separate from human conciousness or do you think they are more likely creations of the human conciousness, something like a Tulpa? I'm sure you know where I stand on that issue but I'd be interested to hear your take.

2010z.........

There was an article in a recent New Yorker entitled Skeleton Lake.  It consists of the speculation surrounding the detailed DNA analysis of 38 individual skeletons recovered from the shore of Roopkund lake in the Himalayas.  

Fourteen of the remains, dating to the Seventeen hundreds, were of Mediterranean origin.  

There are estimated to be more than 300 skeletal remains, in and around the very small glacial lake, at an altitude over 15,000’.  The fourteen might have been part or a single party of nearly a hundred, the rest being mostly from India and dating many centuries earlier.  

We seem to have an historical anomaly of the first magnitude.  

Many explanations have been suggested, all of which have been dismissed.  

This tiny lake is situated a couple of hundred miles south of the lake in Ladakh where #3 is alleged to have arrived.  

If we venture into the unconventional, the legends surrounding ShangriLa and Shambhala come to mind.  

Then we might recall the excursion of Chèvre man to Brazil.......

The exact target was never explained, but he ended up in a farmer’s field, being retrieved by the policia of Itacarambi....... about 20 miles from our location.  

When engaged in portal travel, accidents do happen.  

Presumably, the fourteen adventurers, and their companions, ended up in ShangriLa, soon enough, no matter how they arrived at Roopkund lake.  



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U wrote:Chivo, if you had to speculate do you think Travis Walton encountered flesh and blood entities separate from human conciousness or do you think they are more likely creations of the human conciousness, something like a Tulpa? I'm sure you know where I stand on that issue but I'd be interested to hear your take.

I find Walton lucid and authentic.

I have seen imaginal creatures myself while awake and in a dream, a black form, a Puca.

I fought it in a dream and then saw it above my wife in bed when I woke up.

The most lucid experience of my life.

I saw it’s red eyes and the body just dematerialize.

That experience hit me like a queue ball.

That creature was psychic and immaterial.

It was an imaginal creature and gave me a playful warning.

It was messing with my woman.

I kept it alive in our world when I woke up and then my walking around consciousness banished it.

We can limit the imaginal in matter.

It gets angry.

We must have lived in between worlds in original participation and to connect again, we have to face the incursions or lose our lives.

Something is going on here.

I will offer a thoughtful reply because you asked a thoughtful question, thanks, I appreciate that.

I do not think he encountered flesh and blood entities.

He met the fairies, from the imaginal realm.

This is a subjective and shared experience sometimes like Fatima.

I don’t think anything exists outside of psyche.

I think psyche is fundamental to all being, which can contain many non-human intelligences.

Intelligence can take any form or none.

Psyche may be forever.

But I can’t know forever unless I am forever too.

So where does the pattern of energy that makes you you, go?

Perhaps it can only exist now, so treat life precious.

I don’t think all matter is conscious and I don’t think all conscious is matter.

I think this imaginal realm is as real as us, maybe more real.

They can move in thought.

This is also a clue to all psychic disease and mind parasites I was mentioning to hobbit.

Memes are like little bits of psychic code.

QAnon is a psychic virus I believe is working in conjunction with COVID.

To heal the body, you go to psyche, you descend.

All disturbances I feel in our matter world, emanate from psyche.

So that’s kinda what I think.

How bout you?

I don’t follow gurus or mystics or any ideology.

But there are some folks from the last few 100 years to listen to.

I think Manly and Jung have spoken more lucidly about UFOs than any other muppet.

The experts today I think are fools, cons and idiots.

Dan is one of the only ones I think with half a brain.

I think a lot of inferior parasites take advantage of Dan.

The smelly goat is here standing with Dan.



The lizards may be very real in psyche.

We make idols of gods and daemons, feelings and ideas.

Smash the idols and you will have more reality than one could possibly imagine.

Imagine seeing the immaterial every waking moment and knowing every thing happening is a sign and invitation to participate.

Imagine participating with the unseen in a way you know it is what undergirds all you could know.

I think that’s final participation means.

I think that is the end of fear and tears.

Writing and speech are very powerful but only a small part of communicating.

The psychic is as mysterious as the ocean or space to us, but to ignore it, means destruction.

Well, I think we are invited to participate deeply with being.

I do not present myself as anything other than what I am.

A requirement for conscious participation with the imaginal.

I can almost see them again.

I hear them and feel them, but can’t really see them, that’s fine.

It would be distracting and terrifying now to us, to see all the imaginal around us, within us.

Stay the course patriots: https://www.instagram.com/tv/CKW1bozK0j6/?igshid=1ltfn3yrao5za

Chivo, you've been on fire lately - keep it flowing!

Foresaperire wrote:Chivo, you've been on fire lately - keep it flowing!

It’s probably goat gas, burns intensely when lit.



Or my mind may have opened.

Probably both.

The mark of a great creator is that you can’t see their hand in their work.

"Life takes pure egocentricity. Strength of purpose is most enjoyable. That's the way it gets done. Can't hesitate. You have to go straight in, firmly, confidently and hope things turn out alright."

Those that talk about losing your ego are wrong and fools.

The mind parasites try to twist you up in circles.

But you cut through it.

That’s how you do it.

You play your guitar on the MTV.



Money for nothing.

Are We and all there is on the verge of so called "waking up"
I would say on the verge of self awareness.

Hobbit

1730z.......

hobbit,

Thank you for posting Awaken.  

Watts points out that the bguy was, in some ways, more of an xian than the jguy...... certainly more of a monist than the jguy.  

Was the bguy more of a personalist than the guy?  

Yes and no.  

Alan’s Awaken verges on the eschatological.  

But he doesn’t quite grab onto the interpersonal dimension the way that the jguy did.  

The bguy posed as God, while the jguy posed as the son.

The latter pose was more conducive to the dynamic of history.  

The Buddhists suppress the evangelical dimension.

They don’t capture the good news dimension........ the BPWH.  

donny managed to exploit the messianic dimension of the BPWH.  

That anticipation is in the air.  He grabbed onto it.  

This is the problem with Chivo....... he thinks that he holds a monopoly on awakening.  He doesn’t understand it as portent.  

He can’t feel the interpersonal dimension.  

The Trump phenomenon is part of this portent.  

This is the portent of the Omega portal in the sky...... the Rapture.  

Alan speaks of our innermost being as if it were the Logos Spermatikos.  

Alan definitely partakes of the transpersonal...... transcendental.  

I suspect that Chivo is afraid of that dimension.  

It is the Abyss.  

There is a sense in which the Abyss lies at the core of Being...... since all being is relational....... pratītyasamutpāda.  

The dark night of the soul lies at the core of being.  

Agape is the only antidote for the Abyss.

You embrace the Abyss....... in some positive sense.  


1800........

With the advent of the nuclear age, we have embraced the Abyss, collectively.  

With the push of a button, we transport ourselves to Roopkund lake.  

Then there is the Dyatov Pass incident...... not unlike Roopkund...... in that the remains were found.  

There is some sense in which we are a multi-stage rocket , back to the Source....... and, when we arrive, we will know ourselves for the first time.  

We will be creating the Monad....... just as if it didn’t already exist.  

This is the paradox of our strange looped attractor.  

This is the paradox of bootstrapping...... of the mobius of infinity ♾.  

Pratītyasamutpāda....... here we come.  


1940........

I’m really not sure what Chivo is on about, below........

He just likes name calling.  

The more he wriggles, the tighter is he bound to the BPWH.  

It’s pretty much like Br’er Rabbit and the Tar Baby.  

That’s why most folks just avoid it, assiduously.  

Poor Chivo is like the Princess, in her disdain of the BPW...... she wants to have it to herself.  


2300.........

The Dyatov incident does sound rather like Skinwalker and the cattle mutilations.  

Chupacabras and crop circles also come to mind.  


I notice that several of the ten Republican members of Congress who voted for Impeachment the second time are being censured by their state parties.  It will be interesting to see what happens in the Senate next week.  

It is noteworthy that most of Trumps base has not been turned off by the events of the Sixth.  

Most of them still feel that the election was stolen.  The definition of ‘stolen’, in this case, is being broadly interpreted.  

The Trumpers simply felt entitled to the country, historically.

That entitlement is being increasingly contested, and they will have none of it......... Constitution be damned.



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Dans just jealous his mind and depth of heart, just can’t match chivo’s.

Chivo shames them all.

This muppet dan can only speak about dan.

If dan has a problem or misunderstanding, it is entirely his own.

I assure you, he isn’t here, which is no problem, only his loss.

Hobbit, the mind parasites made swiss cheese of dans mind and heart.

It happens.

The war between good and evil is a lie.

To pick a side is just to play your part.

You don’t need, nor should you pick a side, that’s pure dualism.

Alan is a nondualist, he’s also just an entertainer and he is fooling muppets.

Now I agree with dan, this is all connected, in psyche.

Live for yourself fully I say.

Be the best you can be.

Great movie about the world’s best watchmakers.

The Watchmaker’s Apprentice

He knows how to live.

His watches are his soul.

You don’t find that depth if you give up, let go, try to kill your ego.

What utter bullshit has been sold to the world.

The dullards will never know life.

Boo hoo.

Give your heart to something and I am a friend.

Don’t ever let who you are go, they say, let go, that’s a lie.

Hold on.

Hold fast.

Go deep.

If you turn dans head just right, the wind makes strange sounds as it blows through.

A very strange sound from a very strange loop.

Oddly bound up and constrained, like a song that wants to be sung, but the ole pipes just aren’t up to it, so they are more like groaning sounds.

Maybe he has goat gas?

Just let it out dan.

Keep listening to Alan, he’s here, but one can only awaken themselves to their own quality.

When one knows their own quality, the world is better and lifted up.

Be one of those.

You can do better than conspiracies my hobbit friend.

Here, we don’t speak or know any conspiracies.

The conspiracy was keeping us from knowing ourselves.

Well, that fucking shit is done in this goat’s case.

This is the life I made with myself and it is glorious!

You must strike and strike and strike.



OMG, this is my stop, these lunatics can yell at the gates forever, they ain’t ever gettin in.

Conspiracy?????

Feed the big bad wolf, then He will be full up and Your friend.

Hobbit

Yah, invited that bad ass Wolf in.

We laugh around the fire drunk on whiskey and farting.

But I keep an eye on his teeth.

Goat meat is too tough he snarls, but he would make do in a pinch.

1630z.........

Generally speaking, I would say that we, natives, are getting restless .  

It is hard to know whether Chivo&co are in a state of denial or not.  

Is there something we can or should do about it?  

Yes and no........

I’m figuring that this global restlessness is simply a portent....... a sign of our times.  

There are anticipations...... expectations.  

We are entering a period of upheaval....... for the better or worse..... who knows?  

About the deniers......... they are not necessarily deniers, they simply suggest that there is no point in fretting.  We go on about our business as best we can.  

We focus on our inner dimensions....... and/or pray, as the case may be.  

Little chick is suggesting that it might not hurt for us to wax philosophical 🧐, at this point in time.  

Chivo sometimes suggests a Buddhist style philosophy...... à là Watts.  

And keep in mind that Alan is a Jesuit turned Buddhist.  

It would not be unfair to say that Alan was a patron saint of the summer of love....... along with Timothy Leary, perhaps.  

Alan and Timothy were both historical, in that sense.

There was even a pilgrimage to San Francisco....... and Woodstock.  

Janis was another patron.  

There was a great deal of innocence.  

To a degree, Reaganism and Trumpism were the backlash....... along with Christian fundamentalism.  


1740........

History happens....... a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury.  

This is the Eternal Return.  


1840.........

There is a strong sense in which the BPWH is a version of the Eternal Return cosmology........ the best possible version.  

The BPW is eternal....... time is an illusion...... and there is actually only one soul circulating........ ~10^10 times....... this is the only way to achieve a personal monism....... we are all reflections of the I Am.  

What then is our urgency?  This stems from the idea that we only go around once, and this one opportunity determines our eternal fate...... so we’d better go with gusto.  

Of course, I don’t believe that we actually have to endure 10^10 lifetimes.  We have the best possible number of lives, and the mundane multiplicities are mirrored illusions....... with the best possible number of mirrors.  

And I believe that every actual life is an amalgam of the good and bad...... in the best possible fractal balance.  Every beggar we meet...... his life is completely entangled with ours...... in the transpersonal realm.  

Our entangled/relational lives are all connected in the collective unconscious....... the portals being our dreams, among other things.  

And don’t forget that the chair you sit on is a portal...... this manifests in the spot a pot...... not to wax overly serious 🧐, ontologically.  

In fact, there was once described to me a portal disguised 🥸 as a porta-loo........ discernment is the name of the game.  

An automobile is a portal on wheels.  What then is the assembly process?  

If telephones are merely the enhancers of telepathy, what are we to make of phone lines?  Well, do note that phone lines are being superannuated...... being absorbed into the aether.  

The ‘physical’ is a training wheel for the metaphysical...... a bridge..... nay, a portal, if you will.  

Everything is a portal for everything else.

The entanglement is extreme.  Think of the Monad as the ‘gravitational’ collapse of all that entanglement.  

The I Am is just the other side of that black hole ...... we embrace that Abyss.  


2020.........

That the Omega => Alpha is another indication of the two sided nature of the Monad, which, of course has an infinity ♾ of facets.  

Or think of Indra with a thousand eyes.  

I’m not sure I’d want to sit down and have a beer with Indra.  

I guess we must be the step-down transformers of God.

You may not want to touch the cosmic third rail....... beer or no beer .

Well, if you do touch it, you can jump into the Abyss to cool off. The Abyss is then like a refreshing shower .



(cont........)

Dr. Avi Loeb wrote:“Last month Haim Eshed, the former director of space programs at Israel’s Ministry of Defense, told an Israeli newspaper that humans have actually made contact with aliens and have formed a “galactic federation.” What do you make of his claims?

I think it’s irresponsible of reporters to bring up the story without asking him for evidence. Anyone can say whatever they want. There are people who claim that they are Napoleon. And you see that they are not Napoleon. Anyone can say anything and if you report about it, you get a lot of noise that has no meaning.

Reporters never asked Haim Eshed for a document that substantiates what he said. We should not pay attention to someone that says something without evidence. It’s just a pity, because if you listen to too many people saying things that are not substantiated, then it’s hard for the public to select the truth from the noise.”

A trumpet doesn’t need proof or facts.

Reality is what they say, the notes are formed by shaping air.

Trumpets have a certain shape.

Trump simply blows on his trumpet.

And the universe shakes.

All during the Aquarian conjunction?!

Everything is a sign.

It’s tough to accept such an asshole with that power.

What does that say about our consciousness?

It ain’t pretty.

Lots of noise in the air.

Lots of bad trumpet playing.

Trump doesn’t know how to make good music.

He is almost randomly blowing on his magick trumpet.

It is incredible how loud it got.

My god, astonishing.

And it has just as quickly faded.

The dragon lashes its tail.

Lot of wind blowing

Who hears clearly?

Who can taste the wind?

If I only cared about my little garden, I wouldn’t stay connected on OMF.

Dan and I have been consistent.

It is kind of a weird strange loop for me now.

2200z.........

Yes, I too went down the rabbit hole with Janet O, thanks to Space M.  

Yes, I can feel the fascination and bewilderment....... a sign of the times.

And certainly there is an abundance of personalism....... good guys and bad guys..... galore.  

I have to wonder about the shadowy Cabal.  

Just when Janet is about to pin the tail on the donkey, it turns out to be just another puppet being manipulated.  

Don’t we have to wonder about the motivation?  

How about evil for the sake of evil?  

That should cover most bases.  

Or did poor Mephistopheles have a strict mother who failed at his potty training?  

So that all 10^10 of us have to suffer as a result?

I’d just like to think that evil has a worthy cause.  

When it comes to evil, it’s just so easy to pass the buck.  

There is only one guy who can’t pass the buck....... the iamguy

Maybe he should have just kept his big mouth shut .  

There is a running theme throughout Janet’s presentation....... loyalty.  

I’ve always had trouble with loyalty.  

To what can we be loyal...... in the End?  

I mention the jguy frequently.  Am I not loyal to the jguy?  

Actually....... I would have to say, no.  

I am loyal to the concept....... WWJD.  

Ultimately, we have to trust ourselves......we have to trust our own discernment....... about right and wrong...... there is no cheat sheet.  


2250........

But, if you’re in the army, and the commander tells you to take a hill, you’d better have a very good reason for not obeying.  That’s not the same as loyalty...... that’s survival.  

In extremis....... individual survival can and does get sublimated.  


0250........  

I have asked Space man if he supports the overthrow of the US government.  

I could ask the same thing of foot and of Cy.  

White nationalists are on the defensive.  They have been backed into a corner, and are likely to come out fighting.  

I guess the virus was a sneaky trick.  

Is that not fighting fair?  

Time was never on their side.  

Do they want to rule the world....... or what?  

Motivation is the big issue here.  

If they are simply being defensive, breaking laws is hardly being strategic about it.  

If global minorities wish to protect their rights, better not to be playing the bully......... like Donald.  

Does might make right...... or does right make might?  

The latter proposition is the entire content of the BPWH.  

When times get dark...... it’s time to follow the light.    

Love often appears to be the weakest of all forces.  

Then again, if love doesn’t conquer all, what does?  

The jguy figured this out, like no one else.  

Now the cguy has figured out that every atom is finely tuned to love.  

If you don’t believe it, come over here, and little chick will prove it to you.  

Which side do you want to be on?  

Do you want to be on the side of love....... or not?  

It’s really just that simple.  

It doesn’t take rocket science.  

I do believe that if you just ask around..... take a random poll...... you’ll find that love is the one thing that we can never have too much of, and the one thing that most of us would die for.  

Are you sure you want to be on the other side?  

Those just don’t sound like winning odds to me.

Well, I guess you can lead a horse to water .......

It’s not such a rare event that a passerby will rush in to a burning building to save a stranger.  

What sort of instinct is that?

WWG1WGA......... Really, now? Tell us about it!

WWJD? Ransack the Capitol?



(cont........)

Dan: "In fact, there was once described to me a portal disguised 🥸 as a porta-loo........ discernment is the name of the game."

Here you go (Leezy is a portal, no question about that!)

Yes, it’s only a matter of discernment!

“You can safely assume that you’ve created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.” —Ann Lamott

0930z.........

Chivo,

Good one........


1430.........

The original fake news purveyor was Ronald Reagan and his welfare queens.  

Also ronnie was very much on board with the political weaponization of Right to Life, which was another form of it.  This is when my family deserted the party....... although Deborah did still hang out with HW.  

If you wish to fight the little chick , you’d better understand that I don’t fight fair........ all is fair in love and war.  

foot has already given chick credit for the virus 🦠.  

Was that fair or not?  

donny would have had four more years to hollow out the state.  

Would that have been a bad thing?  

Not necessarily.  

But.......

Hollowing out the state creates a vacuum.......

...... a vacuum to be filled, in the first instance, by those lacking all conviction, but filled with a passionate intensity....... people exactly like Donald Trump.  

There is no doubt that foot was an enabler of Trump.  

Am I an enabler of foot 🦶?

I have not denounced him...... not disowned him.

I cannot discount the possibility that foot is #2.  That may not be fake news.  

chick has not even denounced donny.   If I own foot, I own donny.  

He is my Creature.  

Do I own foot?  

Well, I bear more responsibility for him than anyone else.  

And, if this is the best possible world, he is an essential aspect of it.  

So is donny, as I readily admit.  


1540........

Yes, Gary, even Dreamcatcher is sounding apocalyptic.  

You don’t have to belong to the prophetic tradition to be an eschatologist.  

It’s just in the water .  


1620..........

However, donny is operating on borrowed time....... as if we all weren’t!    

Little chick is not going to let anyone forget, especially not the Trumpers !  

If donny wishes to help sound Gabriel’s horn , more power to him.  


1930.........

I don’t want to be too tough on the Trumpeters .  

It is important to maintain channels of communication.  

The Trumpeters have an essential part to play in the best possible Eschaton....... right along with Gabriel.

Little chick holds his friends close....... and his prodigals even closer.  

Space Mav and foot are my very favorite prodigals.  

Cy........ goes without saying.  

It is a very select company.  

Don’t you love it when a white extremist mob tries to lynch a black passenger, at 35,000 feet?  

Do we laugh or cry?


2010..........

Listening in, I came to realize what extremism researchers and cult experts have long known to be true: You cannot just destroy a community and expect it to disappear when it is load bearing. If we are to deradicalize Q believers in a Biden era, how will we do it? What can we offer them in its place?

One woman had an idea for how to solve some of these problems. They could try hearing from their opponents directly. Maybe they could understand their point of view, learn what motivates them. But then she paused. “I’d love to get into their heads, but it scares the [expletive] out of me,” she said. “So I keep my distance and stay with you patriots.”

this is from the Times.  

Yes, indeed........ what can we offer in its place?  

Hmmm 🧐..........

Once donny has stirred the pot, I don’t think us, muppets, will be going back to sleep .  

Anyone for a little bit of Truth?  

Sorry, sports fans, the is no such thing.  

Truth is a package deal...... you get the whole Truth..... or nothing.  

Little chick is the designated package .  

Get over it...... get used to it.  

Where is Chivo when we need him?  

Maybe he has an alternative........ clever boy that he is........


2140.........

The irony is that the Trumpeteers are just not radical enough.  

They are not sufficiently eschatological.

Yes........ they have opened a can of worms..... they have opened Pandora’s box .  

They will not be able to put Catfish back in the bag.  

They ought to read Managing Magic...... plot spoiler...... you can’t..... not from down here.  

You have to have friends in high places.

You have to put your ultimate faith in love.

Is there a difference? Not really.



(cont.........)

The Dreamcatchers put the BPW to the test and it fails! ;-)

Everything is [a] plausible lie
Overshadowed by sweetness