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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:16 am by Cyrellys

The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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Post by smelly da goat Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:09 am

Don’t ask how I came across this, it was a coincidance.

You think you seen UFOs?

Ha.

They showed up in the wrong century. An account from 1561, introduced to modernity by Carl Jung in his UFO book.

"In the morning of April 14, 1561, at daybreak, between 4 and 5 a.m., a dreadful apparition occurred on the sun, and then this was seen in Nuremberg in the city, before the gates and in the country – by many men and women. At first there appeared in the middle of the sun two blood-red semi-circular arcs, just like the moon in its last quarter. And in the sun, above and below and on both sides, the color was blood, there stood a round ball of partly dull, partly black ferrous color. Likewise there stood on both sides and as a torus about the sun such blood-red ones and other balls in large number, about three in a line and four in a square, also some alone. In between these globes there were visible a few blood-red crosses, between which there were blood-red strips, becoming thicker to the rear and in the front malleable like the rods of reed-grass, which were intermingled, among them two big rods, one on the right, the other to the left, and within the small and big rods there were three, also four and more globes. These all started to fight among themselves, so that the globes, which were first in the sun, flew out to the ones standing on both sides, thereafter, the globes standing outside the sun, in the small and large rods, flew into the sun. Besides the globes flew back and forth among themselves and fought vehemently with each other for over an hour. And when the conflict in and again out of the sun was most intense, they became fatigued to such an extent that they all, as said above, fell from the sun down upon the earth 'as if they all burned' and they then wasted away on the earth with immense smoke. After all this there was something like a black spear, very long and thick, sighted; the shaft pointed to the east, the point pointed west. Whatever such signs mean, God alone knows. Although we have seen, shortly one after another, many kinds of signs on the heaven, which are sent to us by the almighty God, to bring us to repentance, we still are, unfortunately, so ungrateful that we despise such high signs and miracles of God. Or we speak of them with ridicule and discard them to the wind, in order that God may send us a frightening punishment on account of our ungratefulness. After all, the God-fearing will by no means discard these signs, but will take it to heart as a warning of their merciful Father in heaven, will mend their lives and faithfully beg God, that He may avert His wrath, including the well-deserved punishment, on us, so that we may temporarily here and perpetually there, live as his children. For it, may God grant us his help, Amen. By Hanns Glaser, letter-painter of Nurnberg."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1561_celestial_phenomenon_over_Nuremberg

Interesting to read an account of a pre-technology person.

I’m captivated by this.

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Post by smelly da goat Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:27 am

One thread leads to the next...

Mark:
|# Is it possible to be a Taoist and an atheist?

"Jim Fish" :
| Different types of Taoism exist.

what is the primary role of deities in Taoism as diversely-practiced?
are they social or administrative? socially-supporting and helpful?
or do they have more mysterious functions? and how do Immortals differ?

| Belief, or lack thereof, in gods is inconsequential IMO.

so believing in gods won't induce a faux experience of them?

| Tao gives rise to the 10k. Gods (if they exist) are a part
| of the 10k.

is Tao sufficiently like a God that an atheist would dispute
its reality or challenge an assertion as to its existence?
there are books comparing "God" and "Tao", for example

| ...[belief] that gods don't exist... has ...no bearing on
| reality or any gods or Tao (IMO).

disbelief in fictional phantoms sometimes eliminates them
from one's thought-processes and subjective experience.
one's attitude toward illusions can determine their level
of reality. if disbelief in them opposes the creation of
even fantasy versions of them which one might identify
with some subset renegade consciousness, and that's all
that they ever were, then they are subject to our whims
as mere figments

| If you had the faith that gods exist, it would have no
| bearing on reality, gods, or Tao.

inasmuch as I am part of reality, it has bearing.
inasmuch as the gods or Tao is part of me or is
That by which I proceed, so indeed it has bearing.
it might, in fact, inform my composure favourably to
become attuned to or at least acquainted with them

this may form the basis of alchemy and mysticism generally

...

I for one enjoy and tremble at the gods. They are awesome and I’m glad I spent some time with them. I can’t explain it, but I know kinda what they did to me.

They just kept throwing things and I kept just swinging away. I barely if known them, but I count my self fortunate.

I am a child to them.

A naive.

A plaything.

I saw them.

They saw me see them.

I am another mind that may lend them light.

Am I a man dreaming about gods or are the gods dreaming me?

Life is to be enjoyed and it is good.

Let’s toast to the goodness of life.

To the trickery of the gods!

To the eternal fruit.

An immortal has no way for death to enter them.

Perhaps one must become fictional.

One must imagine themselves onto Mt. Olympus.

I do not think the gods are done with me yet.

I cannot ignore them as we have.

This is play.

Perhaps the price of entry into their world, as apparently real as ours, is insanity in this one.

Perhaps they are the riders of the beasts.

We are king of the beasts and their favorite pets perhaps.

We exist overtly, other forms, covertly.

I suspect the covert enables the existence of the overt.

Is the Tao God?

It is more a matrix, a substrate.

How could that not be Love?

A principle that guides our unfoldment.

The plan was set for us, but we have to unfurl our sail and get into the boat and go.
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Post by hobbit Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:24 am

Smelly one,

By coincidence I have a friend who has studied that picture from His point of view.
His name is Paul C Muir, and He had five NDEs, He's a Welsh giant, and someone like You who I admire.

https://www.youtube.com/user/paulcmuir

How consciousness travels and forms sort of balls is how creation operates, and any being wanting to play in that game will have to follow the game plan, as such, nes pas?

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Post by smelly da goat Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:05 am

Aww shucks Wink

It is.

I’ll check him out.

For I came across this very mysteriously Wink

We initiate ourselves into the parts of us often forgotten or overlooked or ignored.

This is fun I must say.
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Post by smelly da goat Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:18 am

Another coincidance!

Jesus, this is a strong one.

I’m not sure what is exactly speaking with me, I must assume my self on some level.

But I know it’s also the gods Wink

I had been playing with a friend of mine who writes absurd poetry on FB and I just rattled off a silly little poem.

I had a line come to me, am I a god dreaming I’m a human or a human dreaming I’m a god.

I wrote it above earlier in post ‘2 on this thread.

Based on an ancient’s quote about dreaming of butterflies.

I’ve just been free ranging tonight as goats will do.

The gods vibrated back this random hit from a random link on the arcane archive.

Once I dreamed that I was a taoist monk
experiencing the beauty of the Way.
In all ways a taoist monk.
I enjoyed nonaction as a taoist monk,
not knowing I was Mu.
Suddenly I awoke and was surprised
to be myself again.
Now how can I tell whether I was an Immortal
who dreamed she was a taoist monk,
Or whether I am a taoist monk
who dreams she is an Immortal?
Between Hsi Wang Mu and the taoist monk
there must be differentiation.
Yet in the dream nondifferentiation takes place.

Across the centuries I wondered about immortals just like this poet.

We must be entangled.

Whoa, that was a fun one.

If I was a man of faith.

I’d take that as a sign.

I need signs.

The gods responded, yes, we are dreaming together in non-differentiated space!

That’s an answer I got back directly to a query.

I don’t even know what it means.

What is non-differentiated space?!

Imma look that up...

Whoa, still blows me away when this happens.

Things come right when you need it maybe meaning that as silly as life can be, it’s very beautiful and terrifying.

I feel like I’m being punked.

Where’s the camera?!
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Post by smelly da goat Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:42 am

Holy mother of god...

The next thread...

I went to look up what the gods just said, we are dreaming each other in nondifferentiated space.

I know no one can see what I’m saying here.

I’m just blown away.

wow Wow WOW

When I looked that up, this comes up.

http://www.wisdomsdoor.com/lom/2010/10-04-15.php

The caduceus in the upper left, see it?!

That’s what I saw the first time I drank Ayahuasca tea, one of my first steps of initiation.

Initiation into what?!

WTF is this?!

I’ve never seen coincidances work like this, so interactively.

So let’s read the message the gods just served up hot and steaming.

From poetry, to posting it, to looking up the prompts, to coming full circle.

I can’t doubt it’s happening.

This is how lightening strikes.

Ok, what do they say?!

....

“Undifferentiated Space in out of body travel.”

Ok.

“Each reality is separated by undifferentiated space.”

Ok.

“Also that place of undifferentiated space, is kind of great if you want to get a sense of who you are without any distractions from any reality at all. Next time you are there, you may want to spend a few moments just getting a feel for you and only you.

Nonphysical travel is really great stuff!

Light, Peace
Hermes”

You don’t say, thanks Hermès!

So Hermès comes back to me after all this time.

Cool.

“An adult stem cell is thought to be an undifferentiated cell, found among differentiated cells in a tissue or organ.”

I think I reverted back to stem cell mode.

What now?

I guess I should explore a bit...

“Undifferentiated space
In the slave quarters at the new settlement of Cape of Good Hope, a settlement founded by van Riebeeck for the Dutch East India Company, the Slave quarters show a simple U shaped building surrounding a courtyard. It is placed next to the Church near the centre of town. But whereas all other buildings show a careful modulation to purpose and function, this one exhibits mere space, undifferentiated space.

The Negro yard in Kingston is a similarly socially undifferentiated storage space.”

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Post by U Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:59 am

Interesting Smelly! I knew about the Nuremberg dog fight but I was unaware that Carl Jung was the one who popularised it.
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Post by smelly da goat Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:34 am

It was a Usenet dialogue, I thought he made some good points.

We can let these overt forces interpenetrate us.

More on that later a la Jung.

He didn’t dismiss anything as fictional.
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Post by 99 Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:53 am

Oh, ok, thanks. Smile
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Post by smelly da goat Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:19 pm

I can no longer live just for my self.

I have had much fun.

But now to work.

I care for the gods as they care for us.

There is a story that before we came to be, the living and dead made a deal. Any who would journey to the Underworld must report what they find as they find it, no embellishments.

For what comes back is for all.

A fascinating story.

What I have done is begin to psychologically integrate my underworld journies.

It can take decades to reintegrate.

I’m in no hurry.

I’m not unattached.

I find my self completely attached.

The living and dead as one community, yes, that resonates.

I’m not done down there, I just got started.

I made a request the other day, I was clearly answered.

And asked a question.

Would I step into the larger reality?

My answer...I have no God or real faith in a thing, I trust it all.

I am a servant of life, the living and the dead.

I have heard Jung.

It’s heroic, yes it is.

But I never considered serving life and death.

It makes it all make sense somehow.

I must report my journies to the underworld exactly as they happen.

I have been doing this here on OMF.

For these are my journals from the Underworld.

My own experiences.

All who go risk their minds and life.

But I am a cracked pot already.

We are surrounded by aliens, daimons, elementals.

Seriously, I don’t know what I’m doing really, just having fun telling funny stories.

I was invited and simply showed up Wink

But there is a burning eye here and it won’t leave.

My hands and mouth are getting warm.

I think I’m suppose to swallow it, but I don’t know if I am ready for that hitchhiker just yet Wink

I’m not sure how the Dude will react to swallowing a flaming eye.

I saw the flaming eyes in the underworld when I was there before.

Silly funny stories is all.
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Post by smelly da goat Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:36 pm

We risk in our enthusiasm of grasping the flaming sword to take what we are given and build up our own ego image.

No, that is not what I have ever been about, to betray life and death, is a self betrayal, this is a sacred awesome trust.

Believe me, this is bigger than me or you, but about this all.

It is the most seductive stuff power.

But the way is to purify yourself to allow the power to not be absorbed but to floooowwwww over and through you and into the world and the rest just takes care of itself.

I suspect I will be overwhelmed for a bit with coincidances, the flood is already rising.
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Post by smelly da goat Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:49 pm

THE POWER OF LIGHT

At the very beginning the King made engravings in
the supernal purity. A spark of blackness emerged in the
sealed within the sealed, from the mystery of En-Sof, a
mist within matter, implanted in a ring, no white,
no black, no red, no yellow, no color at all.

(Zohar [15.sup.a])

The Red Book says don’t look to the future too much, don’t forget to look back, lest you not hear the dead.

Ill give the dead in history to Dan, back there in the past.

But you have to find your own dead.

It’s a lot of work.

Takes focus.

People are too lazy.

The dead are all around me and I share what they whisper to me.

We have our ground personality and the worldly one.

We switch back and forth.

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“The dialogues Plato writes usually have Socrates in the middle of them, arguing, insisting, changing tactics, laughing, walking away, but the upper regions of his talk are probably all Plato's. Imagine a realm of existence, Plato sometimes calls it the Heaven above Heaven, which never changes. It is populated by what he calls eide, translated variously as Forms or Ideas, one eidos called Virtue, another called Justice, another called simply the Good, and so on. Perhaps every word which in our world denotes a definite concept has its counterpart in that Heaven of Heavens. The world we live in is an imperfect version of that Heaven, imperfect because things here change all the time, and the examples of virtue and justice we encounter are never the same, never quite pure, never unmixed with their opposites. But still it is possible for a prepared and properly educated person, from time to time, to pierce through the barrier between the two worlds and discern the reality that shines above our cloudy air. In his effort to achieve consistency, never successful, Plato at one point tries to furnish his Heaven of Heavens with the Ideas of beds and tables, adding, as Aristotle says, that of course the objects around us are different from the ideal ones from which they get their names, but "it is because they participate in an Idea that objects of the same kind have the same name." A critic might say that Plato was having problems with words, that instead of solving them the Ideas raised more and worse problems; later he retreats and is not sure that he can have any material objects in Heaven without, as he says, "tumbling into a bottomless pit of nonsense."
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Post by smelly da goat Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:08 pm

“Imagine, says Socrates, that there are men imprisoned in a cave with a low opening to the outer world along its side, but the prisoners are chained so that though daylight is at their shoulder they cannot see it. A fire is kept lighted behind them and in front of it people pass back and forth carrying various objects, so that all the prisoners can see is moving and flickering shadows cast on the wall in front. These shadows, being all they can see, define the world of their words and thoughts, so that when they believe they are naming a thing they are naming only its shadow. But suppose one of them were suddenly freed and made to look out at the real world beside him. His eyes would be dazzled and hurt by the light, he would see nothing familiar, nothing he saw would make any sense, and he would want to sit down again and face the familiar shadows. Only gradually, taken from the cave, would he learn how the world really looks and what is really in it.

The soul, says Socrates, is like an eye. When it looks toward the Heaven of truth and beauty it knows them and understands them, but when it looks into our world of becoming and passing away it has no knowledge but only opinions that change and change again. The Good is to the soul as the sun is to the eye, and Plato carries the analogy further: just as the sun sustains all of Nature's life and growth, so the Good, through its action in the ideal world, is the cause of all things in our world; "it causes their state of being, though the Good itself is stronger and more venerable than being."
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Post by smelly da goat Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:23 pm

You have the one God, and you become your one God in the innumerable number of Gods. ~Carl Jung’s Soul, The Red Book, Page 371.

The ancients called the saving word the Logos, an expression of divine reason. So much unreason / was in man that he needed reason to be saved. If one waits long enough, one sees how the Gods all change into serpents and underworld dragons in the end. This is also the fate of the Logos: in the end it poisons us all. In time, we were all poisoned, but unknowingly we kept the One, the Powerful One, the eternal wanderer in us away from the poison. We spread poison and paralysis around us in that we want to educate all the world around us into reason. ~Carl Jung, The Red Book, Page 280.

Believe me: It is no teaching and no instruction that I give you. On what basis should I presume to teach you? I give you news of the way of this man, but not of your own way. My path is not your path therefore I cannot teach you. The way is within us, but not in Gods, nor in teachings, nor in laws. Within us is the way, the truth, and the life. ~Carl Jung, The Red Book, Page 231.

Man shall differentiate himself both from spirituality and sexuality. He shall call spirituality mother, and set her between Heaven and earth. He shall call sexuality Phallos, and set him between himself and earth. For the mother and the Phallos are superhuman daimons that reveal the world of the Gods. They affect us more than the Gods since they are closely akin to our essence. ~Carl Jung; The Red Book; Scrutinies; Page 352.

Man is a gateway, through which you pass from the outer world of Gods, daimons, and souls into the inner world, out of the greater into the smaller world. Small and inane is man, already he is behind you, and once again you find yourselves in endless space, in the smaller or inner infinity. ~Carl Jung; The Red Book; Page 354.

Who exhausts the mystery of love? … There are those who love men, and those who love the souls of men, and those who love their own soul. Such a one is Philemon, the host of the Gods. ~Carl Jung, The Red Book, Page 315.

Here the soul drew near to my ear and whispered, “The Gods are even happy to turn a blind eye from time to time, since basically they know very well that it would be bad for life if there were no exception to eternal law. Hence their tolerance of the devil. ~Carl Jung, The Red Book, Page 359.
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Post by smelly da goat Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:27 am

Some have their reason in thinking, others in feeling. Both are servants of Logos, and in secret become worshipers of the serpent. ~Carl Jung, The Red Book, Page 280.

A descendent of Logos is Nous, the intellect, which has done away with the commingling of feeling, presentiment, and sensation. ~Carl Jung, Liber Novus, Page 365.

The house represents a fixed abode, which indicates that Logos and Eros have permanent residence in us. ~Carl Jung, Liber Novus, Page 365.

Where Logos is ordering and insistence, Eros is dissolution and movement. ~Carl Jung, Liber Novus, Page 365.

Nothing makes this effect clearer than the serpent. It signifies everything dangerous and everything bad, everything nocturnal and uncanny, which adheres to Logos as well as to Eros, so long as they can work as the dark and unrecognized principles of the unconscious spirit. ~Carl Jung, Liber Novus, Page 365.

From the perspective of Logos, following a movement blindly is a sin, because it is one-sided and violates the law that man must forever strive for the highest degree of consciousness. ~Carl Jung, Liber Novus, Page 366.
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Post by smelly da goat Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:30 am

I must pull the unconscious into the Light.

There the serpents writhe in evil dark places.

A long siege has been underway and the darkness has lost ground here.

The Light reaches deeper into the darkness of the depths.

I have tried to reach the child of the depths several times.

I must give my life to the effort.

Where the light seemed to the child a distant star from the depths, now it seems to be descending.
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Post by dan Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:34 am

Hmmm.........
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Post by smelly da goat Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:39 am

Wisdom's Children: A Christian Esoteric Tradition (SUNY series in Western Esoteric Traditions) https://www.amazon.com/dp/0791443302/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_NuwxDb6X4SBC5
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Post by smelly da goat Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:41 am

The Spheres are enclosed within each other.
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Post by smelly da goat Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:42 am

Sevens depths of hidden depth.
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Post by smelly da goat Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:44 am

The esoteric meanings contain another meaning.

The deep has a deep.

Who could have the strength to penetrate this but a god?!

Ye are Gods!

Act like it!
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Post by dan Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:51 am

smelly,

I have one question.........

Are you trying to beat me in the number of posts competition?

Just wondering........
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Post by smelly da goat Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:27 pm

I just write what bubbles up.

I have no awareness of silly monkey considerations.

I write in trance.

I don’t know what I am going to write until I do.

This is me natural dude.

Firing on all cylinders.

I do have a job, be authentically my self, free of burden, to report what bubbles up exactly as I find it and I will do it.

This seems to be where I am supposed to do it.

I don’t think you can keep up with me or match my output GrandPa Wink
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Post by SurfBum Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:51 pm

coincidences are meaningless.....thoughts trying to make connections when everything is already connected before thoughts arise.

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Post by smelly da goat Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:13 pm

Jung and I disagree with you Wink

But we are all connected, yes.

Because we are connected, they work.

It also has to do with backward reactions from the future I suspect.

Conincidance!

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