Yes, 99, we have Disclosure......

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Ok, 99,

I think we can safely say that, in this past month, we have come close enough to Disclosure, for all practical purposes.  

You’re being the mathematician about Disclosure, and I’m being the physicist, and I’ve told this story a few times, already, but it won’t hurt to tell it again.......

A mathematician and a physicist walk into a bar, and sit on both sides of a very attractive woman.  The mathematician can only ever get halfway closer to the woman, but the physicist can get close enough for all practical purposes.  

Think of the physicist as Donald Trump, and think of the Boys on the Bus.  

Donald Trump will be known as the Disclosure President, for having helped to orchestrate what has transpired in the past month, not the least of which was chicken little realizing that, very likely, he was Visitor #1.  

Will any self respecting ufologist feel satisfied with this, Sonfish, version of Disclosure?  I would seriously doubt it.  However, will any competent historian ever come up with a better peg for Revelation?  I would seriously doubt it.  

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The Five' question what Trump knows about Area 51 ... Dude!

Perhaps, I have given insufficient attention to the hollow Earth aspect of your world view.  The hollow or concave Earth is a central aspect of the BPWH.  We need a peg on which to hang these ideas of yours.  Clearly, they are non materialistic.  


And, yes, Gary....... the storming of the portal at Area 51 story does have legs........ Fox legs......


NEURALINK......... Gary, what Elon fails to grasp is that Silicon (valley) is already firmly embedded in the cosmic mind, thank you very much, as are you and I.  Computer scientists have difficulty with immaterialism...... bless their hearts.  


11:20.......

Silly, Gary....... there is obviously a preferred (entropic) direction around the closed timelike curve (CTC).  The final (backwards) cause from the Telos/Omega is much more subtle/holistic/entangled....... obviously.  



Meanwhile....... back to suffering.......

We have metabolic bodies which steer us toward food and away from predators, by means of our sensory system...... sending signals of pain and pleasure.  

Why metabolism?  What is pain?  

Neural networks are ‘trained’ with feedback systems of ‘reward’ and ‘punishment’, depending on whether their answers are deemed right or wrong.  

We don’t suppose that there is any actual pain involved.

With pain, we suppose there is a subject that feels the pain.

Microbes respond to averse stimuli. There must be gradations of subjectivity.

Animals feel pain, but may not be self conscious. Dogs display self consciousness around humans, perhaps more by reflection. But there is definitely such a thing as an animal stare..... down, especially in hierarchical groups.



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Suffering from brain pain? Elon has a cure for that ... NEURALINK

https://youtu.be/Vf6ZOiTxTi4

Take that all you Closed Time-like Curves!

Arrow of time points forward in quantum systems

https://physicsworld.com/a/arrow-of-time-points-forward-in-quantum-systems/

Ack wrote:Don't know.

GSB/SSR wrote:The Five' question what Trump knows about Area 51 ... Dude!

Definitely not Dudes, only clouded minds.

Suffering is caused when you have a desire for things to be a certain way and they aren’t and you let your mind lead you and have an opinion about that disappointment.

Mind wants.

Body needs.

This is a Buddhist concept.

Mind has created a concept for a state when it does not get what it wants.

We don’t have to judge that and see it negatively.

Open mind accepts the circumstances and our limited ability to move matter.

We find the mind upon observation to be unquenchable.

You would follow that ravenous beast?!

It can be reckoned with.

We have it within the ability to tame that beast.

We manage nothing but our minds.

And the best way to do that is to let things unfold.

Touching this depth in us let’s us stand and witness any event, carry any burden.

You can stand and sit and walk in your life accepting all of it happening.

All of religion and mysticism are about the will’s journey to satisfaction.

What truly satisfies?

The next part after realizing you are here as your self and that’s ok, and all happening is ok, is to help others.

That’s something we all attempt in our own ways.

What is the benefit of this practice?

Don’t know, straight on.

Where there is ignorance, mind appears.

There are two kinds of religion, subject and object.

Subject based inquiry is direct perceiving, dont know mind.

It’s a fun game direct perceiving.

It leads to the BPW which is always...

Here
Here
Here

Being here is satisfying to the unquenchable mind.

I believe that one of the several places where smelly is confused is about the possible distinction between here and home.  

That is the main point of existentialism...... this is not our home.  We have been thrown here..... presumably out of our true home, which is Monadnock...... our cosmic womb.  

The question arises how and why we were evicted....... punished.  

Original sin is one obvious answer.  

On Canada Rail Vistadome trips, the conductors implore the passengers to not make the Dome your home.  Mystics, like smelly, don’t understand.  

smelly thinks this dome is his home, but it’s just for sightseeing.



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dan wrote:I think one the several places where smelly is confused is about the possible distinction between here and home.  

That is the main point of existentialism...... this is not our home.  We have been thrown here..... presumably out of our true home, which is Monadnock.  


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Kop?

We are from a mountain top?

No wonder smelly goat is at home here.

hobbit

hobbit,

Obviously, smelly is not a mountain goat........ he likes it, down here, in the valley...... never mind the shadows.

smelly can’t see shadows...... can’t see the light.  

Move toward the light, smelly.  

Maybe smelly found a glimmer of light, right here.  

smelly is like a horse, at home in the barn.  When the barn catches fire, he has to be blindfolded, and dragged from the barn.  

Can you not smell the smoke, smelly?  

A million person march is being planned, for Area 51.  Presumably, they’re smelling the smoke.  

Of course, all of this is being orchestrated by foot.  

Why would the PtB be concerned about the horses in the Barn?

They’re not necessarily concerned. They have been read the riot act.



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Wise man stay in shade.
Fool stands out in the light.

Viktor Schauberger realised how dangerous the light was, and how beneficial the shade is.

Light is a radiation, move into the light and become a prune.

hobbit

Only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.


However, hobbit, the point is that the natives are restless.

Something disturbs their slumber of materialism....... they slouch towards Bethlehem.......

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand......

Hello darkness, my old friend
I've come to talk with you again
Because a vision softly creeping
Left its seeds while I was sleeping
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence

In restless dreams I walked alone.....

Button, button, who has the button?



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Implosion instead of explosion.

Our present world is been devoured by an explosive based society.

Nature operates via implosion.

hobbit

Gee, hobbit....... you don’t say......

Isn’t that rather the point of chicken little?

The only question is..... what will be ground zero of the implosion.  

The President has indicated that he would just as soon take a pass.  


4:30.........

hobbit,

Yes, a portal may helpfully be viewed as a dimensionally active vortex style consciousness pump. You do see water as the natural analog of consciousness, I believe....... carry on......



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dan wrote:Gee, hobbit....... you don’t say......

Isn’t that rather the point of chicken little?

The only question is..... what will be ground zero of the implosion.  

The President has indicated that he would just as soon take a pass.  



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Gee, Dan.....I am saying, your not.




Shout from the top of every kop.

Hobbit

Ok, Aaron,

We may not have to leave the barn, after all.  

But we may need a bucket brigade to put out the fire.  

hobbit has offered us one of his consciousness pumps to fill the buckets with portal water.  


4:50........

Ack,

Not to fear........ the Dude abides....... everything .......!  

We just need hobbit’s dowsing rods to help us locate the portal Spring...... it might even be the fountain of eternal youth.  

Like a spraying hydrant in the city, it will provide relief from the heatwave, until cooler heads may prevail.  


Here’s the deal Aaron.......

If we can’t move poets to Monadnock, we’ll just have to move Monadnock to the poets.  

No problemo.........!  


5:20........

Most of our suffering, now, comes from our states of agitation, confusion and fear about the future.  

One well placed portal could alleviate 99% of the confusion and fear.  

Where to locate the portal...... or to reposition it....... away from Area 51, presumably.  

I believe that the Princess could arrange for a joint custody of the portal with the poets.  

And, maybe, the poets would allow access by a philosopher or two.

That would greatly reduce the fear factor, I believe.

Do you think smelly would go along with this scenario as a way to prime hobbit’s consciousness pump with the waters of the fountain of eternal youth? What could possibly go wrong?



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dan wrote:I believe that one of the several places where smelly is confused is about the possible distinction between here and home.  

That is the main point of existentialism...... this is not our home.  We have been thrown here..... presumably out of our true home, which is Monadnock...... our cosmic womb.  

The question arises how and why we were evicted....... punished.  

Original sin is one obvious answer.  

On Canada Rail Vistadome trips, the conductors implore the passengers to not make the Dome your home.  Mystics, like smelly, don’t understand.  

smelly thinks this dome is his home, but it’s just for sightseeing.  



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Only the knowing are confused.

Don’t know.

hobbit wrote:Wise man stay in shade.
Fool stands out in the light.

Viktor Schauberger realised how dangerous the light was, and how beneficial the shade is.

Light is a radiation, move into the light and become a prune.

hobbit

The light will blind and blow u apart.

Here, in the shade, life is slow and sweet, like honey.

I’m at home everywhere Dan.

Enjoy being a cloud Dan.

Your confusion will evaporate soon enough.

smelly and Ack,

I can hear the ringing endorsement, all the way back on the East coast.