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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed May 22, 2019 4:08 am

    First topic message reminder :

    Ok, sports fans.........

    Before we ask ourselves any other questions........

    Here is the #1 priority question........

    Who the heck do we think we are?  

    I’m not aware that this question has ever been seriously asked before.  The only precedent of which I’m aware is when it was simply posed by Paul Gauguin.  

    I would not pose this question unless I thought I had the rudiments of an answer.  I’m seeking help from anyone who would be willing to participate in fleshing out the answer.  
    ..........

    (The continuation of this ‘topic post’ is the no. 3 post (on the first page https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t361-who-do-we-think-we-are ) of this topic.....)


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    Post by dan Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:25 pm

    Ack,

    I was just speculating that, if the were a second substance, there would necessarily be a logical ‘gap’ with the first substance.  

    That gap would leave room for all kinds of nonsense/mischief.

    As it is, mama don’t allow no gaps.....!

    But, if you are partial to nonsense and mischief, the fractal nature of our world leaves plenty of playpens, or, at least, the appearance thereof.  

    Not to worry, the unlimited fractal quality....... it will never be exhausted by the likes of us.  

    But is anything ‘unlimited’ not subject to being crashed by cosmic hackers?  How is the BPW fail safe?  

    It probably has to do with the fact that time is, ultimately, an illusion.  Hacking makes sense in the context of an absolute time dimension.  

    I wouldn’t get too worried about this possibility.  There is a sense in which the president and terrorists are trying to hack the system.  

    This is where the concept of the Demiurge might reappear.  


    Back to the question of random observers......

    If one observer ‘finally’ bootstraps itself, why not others?  

    This would be an example of a gappy world.  

    That’s why I don’t believe in ontological pluralism....... to get back to Ack’s question, above.  

    A gap implies a background of some sort.... if only a void or an abyss.

    An actual void would be unobservable. Empty space is not an example of a void. Thinking of space as a void has been the downfall of many an unwary ontologist. I’m quite sure that this one of hobbit’s pitfalls.



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    Post by dan Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:01 pm

    Oh, dear, Ack.......

    You’ve run off the rails, again.......

    Look up Pratītyasamutpāda........ it is dependent origination.  

    There is no such thing as independent origination.  

    This is a very important point. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

    This is what I was trying to say about random observers. There can be no such thing.



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    Post by 99 Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:06 pm

    That gap is also the gap of forgetfulness... it's the one most of us will dwell in for awhile before moving on where during that time, we gradually forget major details about the life we just lived... to then forgetting everything completely. And depending on what we want or what we believe or what someone else wants for us, we are then born again into a new life... either back here on Earth or someplace else but some move on to higher levels and never come back here. Those are the lucky ones.

    How do I know all of this? It's what I've been told by "them". Take it or leave it but I've seen it in action too.
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    Post by dan Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:10 pm

    Ok, 99,

    I think you are referring to the River Lethe....... the river of forgetfulness.  

    But let me let you in on a secret, 99......

    It is a very shallow river.  It may be wide and chilly, but it is not deep, as any regressionist would be happy to point out to you..... probably for a fee.  


    And, 99,

    Let me hasten to remind you of smelly, who is at pains to point out to us that the highest level of consciousness is always available...... always closer to us than the nose on our face.  

    We don’t have to go anywhere to find God. The Kingdom is always within.



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    Post by 99 Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:20 pm

    Christians move on to the higher levels. Surprised? Don't be.
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    Right, we have access to our past lives. I've witnessed mine without any regressionists on numerous occasions. Such illuminations came spontaneously. I'm not special... I'm just me.

    I've been a TM meditator since 1979.


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    Post by dan Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:25 pm

    Christians move on to a higher level......?  

    That is definitely RELIGION talking......

    Every atom in our body, every flea on a dog exists only at the highest level, or it would not exist at all.  

    There are no gaps. Mama don’t allow no gaps..... period.

    Yes, there can always be the illusion of separation, but that is only because we are hanging onto those illusions, for dear life.

    I’m just taking another page out of smelly’s book.



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    Post by 99 Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:29 pm

    Ha ha! But on the other side, we create our reality even more than we do here. Christians do not believe in reincarnation which explains why they opt to stay put and move on instead of coming back here. They don't believe we can come back here anyway hence why they don't do that. They stay where they are unless it's decided from those further up the food chain that one has to return. So we don't have control over everything. Some decisions are made for us regardless what our beliefs are or what we want.

    One thing is definite... the Doctrine of Reincarnation prevails only it doesn't happen exactly the way we think it does. I don't know any more than that but not for lack of trying... they just won't tell me any more than what I've shared so far.
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    Post by dan Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:35 pm

    You got that right, 99.......

    No one has any control over any of this...... certainly not in any normal sense of that word.  

    On the other hand, as God, we oversee, constantly, ever aspect of Creation.  

    We are constantly second guessing the Creator....... who is none other than ourself.  

    We are God’s army of sidewalk superintendents.

    In those gas chambers........ we were all there...... saying, maybe just a little more gas, please.  Tell us one thing that makes any more sense.  

    Witches burning at the stake....... hmmm..... yes, maybe I’d like it just a tad hotter...... if you don’t mind, too much, please.  

    Do you find this hard to believe?  I find it to be the only thing even slightly believable.  

    But, hey, that’s just my opinion, and I’ve been wrong before.... I think.  I’m so forgetful in my old age.......


    Not to change the subject, or anything....... but can dogs go to Heaven?  Hey, that’s not the problem.  The problem is that they don’t let the dogs out.....

    Poor flea bitten creatures.  Are there fleas in Heaven, too?  Well, don’t quote me, but there’s this rumor going around that there might even be bedbugs in Heaven....... heaven forbid.  

    But when do we get our gap year?  I hear that you only need 10,000 frequent flyer miles.  

    Here...... let me check your account...... it says that you have 10,000,000 miles! There must be something wrong. We owe you 1,000 gap years. If you don’t take off soon, we might have to start docking you.



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    Post by 99 Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:04 pm

    Am out the door but much food for thought and thanks... talk later! over and out
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    Any time, 99!

    Don’t forget to check your mileage.......
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    Post by hobbit Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:34 pm

    I don't consider space as a void, it is full of consciousness, it's a system of compression and de compression.

    The stars are de compressing until they run low on consciousness and turn into planets.

    This earth was once a star, all the planets were stars

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    Post by dan Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:54 pm

    Hey, hobbit,

    You’re an immaterialist, and you don’t even know it....... or maybe you do......
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    Post by dan Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:07 pm

    Sorry, Ack,

    Your logic escapes me.  

    Nothing arises of itself.  Not even the Source arises of itself.  

    There is no such thing as a pure Source, even though I may use that word as a catch all.

    I use Creator and Source, nearly interchangeably.  I am always at pains to stress that there can be no Creator without Creation.  

    This is a crucial point.  I don’t see why you seem to dismiss it in a cavalier fashion.  

    Also, Ack,

    You are sounding cavalier about death. Death of a loved is not something about which to wax philosophical.

    You can be philosophical without rubbing people’s noses in it.

    I’m not completely innocent, myself, but I do try to be empathetic and philosophical at the same time.



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    Post by dan Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:34 pm

    Ack,

    I think we can do better than that.  

    We have no need to ditch the Creator or creativity...... it is a bit more subtle than Sunday School, however.  

    Let me take this up a bit later......
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    Post by dan Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:20 pm

    Ack,

    This is pure Buddhism.  It teaches that life is a zero sum game.  It’s not, and I’m not.


    3........

    In effect, the author is saying that for every Buddha who is born, one has to die.  Pardon my French, but that is stupide.
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    In dependent origination, Sunflowers create the Sun.  

    That is what Jesus was trying to tell us.  

    Did Buddha have a clue?  He might have, but it got lost in all the karma crap.  

    Historically, Jesus ate Buddha for breakfast...... yummy......!

    We’re just seeing a slightly delayed reaction.  

    Sorry for the delay!  But it was the best possible delay, sports fans.....

    Figure that out, and you go to the head of the class.



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    Post by dan Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:45 am

    Now you’re getting smarter......!

    Sunflowers........ no dummy. I said what I meant, and I meant what I said. If you don’t like the logic, Jesus will eat you for breakfast!



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    Post by dan Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:50 am

    Ok, now you got it!

    For instance........

    Astronomy is just one of Jesus’s parlor tricks.  

    Chicken little is here to explain how the trick works.  Sunflowers provide part of the explanation.

    hobbit could provide the other half of the explanation, if he would just remember to put the horse before the cart.  
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    Good idea.......

    hobbit will have to take over......

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    Post by GSB/SSR Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:43 am

    Dan continues to attempt to hijack the "phenomenology problem" under consideration by some in the intelligence community so he can crash it into the eschaton for his own metaphysical amusement in seeking his version of a Best Possible World. The recent revelations (heavily promoted for commercial purposes by To the Stars Academy) represent a potential game-changer in that regard, now that the fusion of networked sensor systems and human observation are in agreement that there is a "there" there (a material explanation).

    I suggest anyone serious about the reality of the situation read:

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28305/carrier-group-in-recent-ufo-encounters-had-new-air-defense-tech-just-like-nimitz-in-2004-incident

    And then consider what Ron was up to a decade ago involving bistatic radar research at MITRE.



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