Immaterialism 4

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The plan was written in the stars

The plan is as old as time itself.

Some are willing participants and some struggling against the current, but the current always wins in the end.

We have to learn to trust the current, that makes the ride so much more enjoyable.

Don't get too comfortable though or you might fall asleep at the wheel.

Pk, I respect the time and effort you dedicate to your projects and your passion to help people.

You seem sincere and not out for money or silliness like that.

Yes, I seem to have this annoying and silly whatever about all of their stuff, but whatever.

They use folks like you who speak up as much as the ones close to ground with them.

Yes, I’m sure I’ve been manipulated and used too.

A long time ago, I guess they tried out their protocol on me, but it didn’t take.

As you have noticed, I don’t take direction very well.

But we are all being directed

That’s a bitch to accept.

Kevin was in a jail in California and I was asked to go bail him out in the middle of the night.

My wife freaked out.

She was like, you were on some forum about UFOs and your going to do what?!

I said, come on, let me see who these people are, it might be fun.

She said no and I didn’t go

I have proven to myself that they monitor our internet traffic.

Shrug, good, but if they want porn recommendations though, they can just ask me.

Could have been real, but I felt it some kind of test.

Anyway, I’m being sincere here Pk, no tongue in cheek.

Imagine all the time and attention they have gotten from you.

Be skeptical, always, agree there, but pain and suffering are part of the show.

If we take it in, it crushes us.

Based on my experience, we are and our struggles are the raw material to use to transmute a person into a Star.

We have to look into our own suffering though.

To thine own self be true is my feeling.

I have found we just can’t judge circumstances or events.

I know that sounds like pie in the sky bullshit, it’s not.

In calmer times Pk you and I could have been friends.

I teased you and you always took the cheese, so I just went at you harder.

I play this game like a little kid on the playground.

I play it fast, loose and spontaneous.

I appreciate your passion Pk, really.

I’m not telling you what to do.

But I have found it fun to invest in people we see beyond the game.

What a richer time touching heads with other Human Beings.

I’m sure you have a lot of friends who share your views, I like for friends to challenge my views always, keep my sharp, call my bullshit.

The time I spent with Aaron was fun and energetic.

He has a passion, like I have.

I smelled it in him.

He has the skills of a mimic.

I invest in people like Aaron because I think it makes a difference somehow, small ripples becoming big ones.

People invested in my life and I pay it forward being there for those the universe connects me to, even Dan.

That’s why we can’t plan, humans aren’t good at it.

We can’t see all the ways the ripples connect and amplify, at least one of us can’t do this well, we need others to help us.

You may think you know who I am from my masks I put on here, but you know me truly like your own skin and breath.

Anyway, peace and...

The only hoax is by those who hoaxed the letters and other fake documents. These are even worse that the fake Doty documents. I might have to add "Fools" to Loons, Crooks and Worse.

Fools should definitely be added

"Watching our internet traffic"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGPlCLf9AZ8
Hobbit

hobbit wrote:"Watching our internet traffic"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGPlCLf9AZ8
Hobbit

No such thing as privacy.

I did all this to be able to have quiet moments with my self

Smelly,

For the record, I love most of your posts and my being awarded 'Muppet' status for a number of my posts..

BTW do you know there is a 'surfing goats' website?

http://www.surfinggoats.com/

There is no plan.........?  

Then I suppose there would be no flow.  

But there does seem to be a flow, of some sort.  

Even scientists recognize a flow of time and entropy.  

But when folks here speak of a flow, it would be fair to say they have something more in mind.  

Perhaps there is a force, and the force is with us, or is it against us?  

Some force put us here.  Some force was with us, until this point.  

Philosophers wonder who we are, and where we came from.  

Philosophers ask why.  Scientists ask how.  

Scientists and smelly admonish us not to reason why.

So don’t mystics and religionists...... ours is not to reason.  

Even 99.9% of philosophers have thrown in the towel.  

Owen Barfield questioned the authority of modernism.  He questioned the authority of atoms in the void.  

His remains a lonely voice.  

The Princess tells me that she speaks with the President...... on occasion.  It is certainly a hoax or a crime, according to PK.  

The possibility offers me hope.  

Joe and all the hoaxers out there offer us hope, before they take our money.  For some of us, hope is priceless.  

Joe does have hope....... fueled more by drugs than greed, I would say.

Joe has thrown millions of his own and others at a rattling cage. Joe is a sight to behold. He is not a criminal, except perhaps by misadventure. He holds fast to his vision...... not unlike myself.

PK holds fast to his vision. He just won’t tell us what it is.



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The only hoax is by those who hoaxed the letters and other fake documents. These are even worse that the fake Doty documents. I might have to add "Fools" to Loons, Crooks and Worse.

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Ron you mean I have to re write my song???

There is no doubt that the purpose of life is simply life itself.

We are free to do whatever floats our fancy.

No responsibility but to our own happiness and peace and to be a witness to what is true and real for us.

We are free to play the game in whatever way we feel suits us best.

We should never pretend to know someone else's experiences.

We should never desire for someone else to change the way they are as a perfect expression and expansion of the universe unless it threatens our own freedom to express ourselves freely.

In reality very few things actually threaten our freedom...maybe even nothing does, but we are free to pretend that things do.

Aaron / Ill go with that

Aaron,

This is wonderful, but.......... I feel I must ask.... if, in your cosmos, there is such a thing as truth?


Aaron the more I look at your statement of freedom, the more I see it as vapid.

Mere freedom cannot be the end of life. We are not free to do evil.

Yes, there are many definitions of evil, but everyone can name a few.

All we have to do is go with the flow and act natural.

There most definitely is truth Dan.

I will let you handle the truth department.


If you find the truth you will know it because the truth shall set you free and will give you the peace and assurance that you have arrived home.

We do have to get home and we'll get there with a little help from our friends and family.

If smelly has counseled you against the existence of evil, then he is evil, by that extent.


Yes, Aaron, you just said it........

Only the Truth can set you free.


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Um...no, Smelly has done no such foolish thing.

Going home with a little help from our friends and family has a lot to do with entangled particles.

How do we talk about particles on an immaterial thread?

Just watch and observe...

I think we are doing just fine.

And getting home is a lot easier said than done....

There are many flows in the world.  

You must discriminate flows, or you will pay the price....... there can be much pain in the wrong choices.

Uh, oh......... did I say choice......?



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Dan /  Aaron/   yes I agreed with Aarons post because it has good will ,good sentiments, a " to each their own"

But the purpose of life??  I have no Idea.  Its seems something more about an evolution in some sense.   Change is constant , growth i guess , in some direction, but for who, who's benefit ?  

and Truth?  yes I get a sense of it, its simple in some ways, but can become quite slippery .

Whither choice........?  

Do we have to eradicate choice from the best possible world?  

I don’t think so......... but easier said than done.

Reason and choice are complementary.  And the very idea of the best possible world comes from reason.  

Just because there is choice does not entail that choice is free, pace Plantinga.

We are not free to love, any more than we are free to hate.

Are we free to fall in love?  Love is the end of the Logos.  

Is there no logic to love? It would seem not. Love is an expression of our unconscious.

It marks our surest path back to the Monad.



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333

It’s a magic number...

But Dan, when you find the golden flame burning, protect it, help it, love it.

It’s the most valuable thing on Earth.

Don’t argue with it or try to extinguish it or try to understand it, that’s a muppet stuck in his mind move.

Or argue, it doesn’t matter to the golden flame

If you want to know what I think about good and evil, ask me muppet Dan.

I am basically where the Sufis are on good and evil, they exist, as prime movers.

I have written a lot about it, if you paid attention, you would know.

You remember the Sufis don’t you Dan, before you turned your back on whirling dervishes?

I don’t know what or where Truth is found, how would I know?

For all I know I clairvoyantly download God’s National Geographics.

The flames of emptiness eat all thoughts from men and gods now in my mind, like a tapeworm.

Nothing stays very long in space that appears.

dan /    context and condition preclude choice  

what choice is in a jail cell?   solitary confinement ?  yet some will find a universe

most of the lofty comments and ideal existentialist meanderings made are from the comfort of the couch

let me see those who are under some harsh realities , the death of a child, the loss of a loved one, claim all is nothing,  all is bliss.

Idealists are not existentialists in the least. Nor is there any such thing as an ideal version of it.

How about being in a concentration camp like Frankl?

Quite an experience.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man%27s_Search_for_Meaning

https://ndpr.nd.edu/news/idealism-and-existentialism-hegel-and-nineteenth-and-twentieth-century-european-philosophy/

Life in America is a different kind of concentration camp, you don’t think all are traumatized by it?

To be existential is an experience and state of mind.

Last I checked you can’t know anyone’s state of mind without using clairvoyancy, which works.

Stick with Kierkegaard though. They all copy him.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_Søren_Kierkegaard

I think he had no truer insight based on my experience to date.

I live it every day.

He proposed that each individual—not society or religion—is solely responsible for giving meaning to life and living it passionately and sincerely, or "authentically".

We all suffer, yours is no greater than mine or mine than any other.

We suffer the illusion of separation and all that goes with that psychosis together.

Let me see authentic muppets.

Listened to KK's appearance on some radio show called ExoNews or something like that this week and the discussion was so boring and content free it actually had me rooting for Ron.

...it's interesting that 4 different people faked separate solid evidence (some must've been incredibly elaborate - that RON impressionist has your voice down perfect )... it's a weird coincidence how all of them lost money on Joe's project.

I think the TV idea you came up with 3 -4 years ago with the princess pod ( very funny btw) - joe's portal which was perfect because you knew it was all bunk and wouldn't give away any national secrets ...and you could tell the network but you might slip in the real secrets here and there… Admit it there's multiple witnesses to the TV show pitch that you were doing ---a typical self-indulgent "reality" show that you were pitching...and you put your own friends in Joe's company... didn't you meet Kevin before Joe...didn't he live with you before he lived with Joe... you thought it was hilarious that the corporate structure to a supposedly legitimate "next generation propulsion" company included all of these "colorful" characters with zero aerospace or executive experience LOL you have a very dark sense of humor regardless....

But what happened with Joe and is happening was & is wrong...people are hurting people were scammed recently… People who are promised their money back - almost all of them patriotic Americans Who really wanted to make a difference for our country's future and humanity… That's a rare special type American patriot and you burned them and you burned them out ... you knew since at least a minimum of 2010 when that big ass report came out when all the big scientists left but I guess you'll say that was fake to right it especially if I pull out 200 page document… That's all fake I'm sure too

ASIDE FROM THE JOE SCAM... even colleagues of yours wonder… Yes it must be annoying that your job & your position attracts a lot of colorful characters... but why do you take such a "dark" pleasure in your interactions with the "less-advantaged"...

You knew it was a scam why didn't you just warn people away? If it was a counterintelligence fly trap why use Americans money and burn a patriotic Americans instead of government covering? The answer is you can't use intelligence or counter intelligence as soon as a valid excuse…

And thank you smelly...I have never hated you or even disliked....or upset by you in anyway… I have always reached out to you with ANNOYING love & care - even if you believe misguided

Dan....Sports fans… The blog is about to get interesting!

Dan ...May I post some audio… A little bit of video .... bunch of pictures... and a 200 page PDF ... and more to prove that perhaps RON might be "fibbing"

Our finest generation...The MAGA...what a bunch of lost white boyz.

I love how the shaman just kept going with his drum against the Wetiko.

He can see it.

This is the spiritual Wetiko virus on video that most are infested with.

The old man looking at it right in the eyes, wow.

That’s how you catch the Devil.



This interaction and image is so energetic and powerful to me.

You can see the whoops of the dark against the Human Being.

Whoa

I can see nazi swatiskas on their arms and them gleefully dancing around people hurting.

This is the darkness out loud.

It smiles at you as it sticks the knife in.