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You are real here, material, inside you, all of it.

How does one determine what is fool’s gold and the real gold?

One has to determine if self-delusions or projections are imparting the appearing value.

What is the basis of determining what is real about life?

The best answer I came up with was go with the flow and see where you end up.

It all seems to just wash up to your shore, then you just pick up what comes to you.

dan wrote:
I’m checking on the possibly converging events......

Congressional elections

Mueller investigation...... (Halloween/Xmas time frame.....)

Armed convoy heading for the southern border, allegedly funded by Soros&Co.  

Khashoggi affair.
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Any others of timely interest?

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-Don't forget the increasing censoring of social media and other online platforms
-Assange uncertainty
-Trump backing out of nuke treaty with Russia

smelly wrote:

The best answer I came up with was go with the flow and see where you end up.

It all seems to just wash up to your shore, then you just pick up what comes to you.

Thanks Smelly. This is very helpful.

CW,

Interesting question to ask Smelly right after what you answered about who you are.

When you know who you are there are no more questions, only great wonder and clarity.

Do not disconnect from the material. Know it as an abstraction of self and love it, as it is your creation, as if it were your own child, because it is.

How else could you experience anything without the material? It would be such a dreadful bore without the material.

With the help of all of you, folks, I think we’re getting a better focus....... and none too soon.

It may have mostly been smelly, overcoming his paranoia with regard to history.  History happens, y’all, get over it...... get used to it.  We cannot partipate as humans, if we don’t understand where we are within that flow.  

So, where are we........?

Quite likely, we’re on the cusp of something....... of possibly biblical proportions...... if we don’t totally discount the prophetic tradition.  

In my little world, things are geared up, certainly.  We might even be reverting to the LSoB scenario, speaking of portents..... the hopes and fears.......

Sunspot might have been another portent.  Timing on the ground synchronizes with the sky, or so they say.  

She should have died hereafter;
There would have been a time for such a word.
— To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing.

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1:40(gmt-4).........

Earlier, we were talking about Barfield and Polanyi.... I meant to post this...... http://polanyisociety.org/TAD%20WEB%20ARCHIVE/TAD18-1/TAD18-1-fnl-pg27-38-pdf.pdf.



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I’ll be continuing with Owen Barfield today and how we might understand saving the appearances.

I’m not saying Owen has it all, how would I know, but I think his theory of consciousness is not just academic, he stands in his experience and in history.

Goats can crawl up anything.

I am standing on the shoulders of giants.

Yes, history couldn’t be ignored, but I didn’t trust anything after coming through the fog.

I wanted to get away from it all.

I don’t agree a second coming is centered on a person, but the Person speaking to us here now in our heads.

I can’t get away.

I woke up and realized who I was in history and now I on a UFO Immateialism board taking about reality.

Sure, why not

Dan, I posted that paper yesterday, here is the correct url.

I will speak further about the paper.

http://polanyisociety.org/TAD%20WEB%20ARCHIVE/TAD18-1/TAD18-1-fnl-pg27-38-pdf.pdf

Barfield was never an eschatologist.  He never felt the need to call 911...... he left the phone call for chicken little.

And now smelly wants to turn the whole world in schizoes.

No, smelly, you will have to put your hand on the radio to feel the vibes.......


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And neither am I, so be gentle.

Part of me thinks the eschaton too specific to a religion, it’s bigger.

Feel the vibes, that’s funny.

I got the vibe old man, I am the radio.

You are playing catch up.

You need to do more spectrum hopping.

Just get out of the way now, the goat is here, go enjoy your old man retirement in shagrila

Sorry to be be the one to break the news to you, g-man, but the j-man owns the bloody eschaton.

I give you permission to speak about the eschaton, keep it simple.

Go ahead, spil it.

J-man is an archetype, would you like to speak to him?

Go ahead.

Tell me, goat face, how do you crucify an archetype?  I’d like to see the instruction manual, if it’s printed in English.

Talking to an archetype........?  

Christians will never buy that.  We pray to the risen Christ, not to some Jungian abstraction, thereto.  

But thanks for the suggestion.  


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TheSloth wrote:CW,

Interesting question to ask Smelly right after what you answered about who you are.

When you know who you are there are no more questions, only great wonder and clarity.

Do not disconnect from the material. Know it as an abstraction of self and love it, as it is your creation, as if it were your own child, because it is.

How else could you experience anything without the material? It would be such a dreadful bore without the material.

It was mostly an intellectual answer. I "believe" (not "know") that I am the one, no one, and everyone.... but I feel that I am two as my awareness sees itself in the mirror but does not have the faintest idea that mirrors exist so it stands in disbelief at it's own image wondering if the two are truly the same or not. That is the wonder that I [we? ] need to move past.

The historic Jesus is in the can.

We can waste time arguing about it or we can face the implications of this state of mind.

I think we can jump right to it, Love.

It’s all states of mind.

Thank You both opposites for pointing to Barfield, which led to Steiner and how they thought similar things at the same time .

In other words they were awake to receive similar input to their output thoughts.

The medium that conveys such is consciousness , nearly all humans I encounter are too asleep to hear this information.

They have been put to sleep by forces that desire them so to be dumb obedient slaves .

hobbit

dan wrote:Tell me, goat face, how do you crucify an archetype?  I’d like to see the instruction manual, if it’s printed in English.

Talking to an archetype........?  

Christians will never buy that.  We pray to the risen Christ, not to some Jungian abstraction, thereto.  

But thanks for the suggestion.  


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I like what that steiner bloke described as the incarnate second coming.

Not a physical 3D entity .

Consciousness flooding into those able to receive it.

hobbit

Thanks hobbit.

I think the second coming is the taking hold of direct participation.

They can learn to talk to themselves Dan and take responsibility for their actions and every one else’s actions.

Christians are devouring Jordan Peterson who is grounded in what I’m talking about.

I don’t think you see what’s really happening here very clearly, but we have each other.

In the can.......?

Well, goat boy, I’m gonna kick that can right down the road, and into your pasture.  Is it true that goats eat cans?  .... munch, munch......


Look, smelly, am I chicken little or not?

If I am, I’m also Jesus F Christ. Get over it, get used to it.

The Antichrist has to resemble the Christ, or there will be no New World Order........ novus ordo seclorum.

You want us to jump ship, prematurely. Yours is a still birth.



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Yes, I like cans and jumping on things and standing in trees.

You’d better watch out for incoming ...... star of Bethlehem........

Or was that an archetype, too?

There is only one archetype here, smelly....... you are playing the archetypal fool.


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I have the Christ and Anti-Christ, here in me.

They sent me from Olympus to annoy you.

Nothing is still birthed.

This is vitality.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richat_Structure

dan wrote:You’d better watch out for incoming ...... star of Bethlehem........

That will have been Sirius...……. a variant stream of consciousness, and yes She may shine bright again soon.
https://www.space.com/39638-sirius-dog-star-visible-this-week.html








hobbit

Goat boy,

You suppose that Jesus was an epiphenomenon.  Think again.  

Jesus rules history, in singular fashion. I’m here on a special delivery mission. There will be a global ceremony to usher the j-man inside. I stand on that ceremony.

I know that you would love nothing better than to rain on that parade. Good luck......


hobbit,

Sirius..... Smirius......

You’d better start counting your Cosmic Chirps.....



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It matters here now Dan.

Join me.

I don’t want anything.

I’m here is all.

Dan, one word, Polarity.

Let’s get back to Barfield...

Show me the ceremony, Goat boy........

I’m not folding my tent until the fat lady sings.

With all due respect, smelly, you’re not quite fat enough.......

Chicken little strikes again.......

Owen forgot to dial 911....... slight oversight......

See something..... say something.......

It’s not always what you know, smelly, it’s also who you know. I know the Princess.


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