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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:52 am

    First topic message reminder :

    Ok, here we go...... as I take a deep breath.......

    Well, this post will be reserved as the topical reminder.  Hopefully the discussion will last for more that one page.

    (Please keep in mind the links given in the fifth post on this thread...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t313-three-in-one )

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    Post by dan Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:07 am

    hobbit,

    That is the difference in our approaches.   The BPWH can be disseminated much more readily, using language and concepts that don’t rely so much upon individual skills.  This is the because it follows the pattern of the paradigm shift, thus the MoAPS.  And to understand this MoAPS, you have to understand the coherence theory of truth, CohTT.

    If you understood the CohTT, then you would understand that personalism is an essential feature of immaterialism, and an essential feature of personalism is the small world hypothesis, SWH.

    You just have to understand how these three concepts..... personalism, small word and immaterialism, naturally cohere....... it’s all totally natural.  


    11:40.........

    I spoke with the Princess. We are pretty much in agreement on everything. She is my main rival for queen/king of the world, so we work together. Then there is Kashmir, waiting in the wings.

    It about boots on the ground and wings in the air. With the Princess and her portals, we control the high ground. Being, both of us, biological entities, we also have our boots on the ground. Who is going to match that?



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    Post by hobbit Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:35 am

    Dan,

    This cohTT is why I quoted from two different books, and in both I recognise truths, they find Me and sort of jump out of the jumble of words that books are to Me.


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    I have strong Viking links, and thus have Dupuytrens contracture hands.



    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1305903/

    Mix in a strong southern Ireland part. and You bake an hobbit.

    They can't puzzle out how the Vikings and lots of other tribes navigated the seas, I know exactly how, and clouds and weather systems matter not, no compass needed.

    I could sail to America in both directions and land You on the self same sixpence location each time, no matter where the wind may take You.
    It's how birds and fish navigate, how the wise salmon can return across the Atlantic to the exact spot it was created at.


    It's so simple, but it needs a simple mind to attune to the matrix.

    Your tuning dial is heart centred.


    https://wakeup-world.com/2014/10/12/heart-centered-awareness-our-portal-to-joy/



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    Post by dan Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:46 am

    Ok, hobbit, you will be our truth magnet, our truth dowser.  And that is what Coherence is all about.... dowsing the Truth.

    The portal/dowsing team is ready to take over the world..... to turn it on a dime, as it is on the verge of the abyss.  

    Ron mentioned, just a few weeks ago, that the portals are opening naturally, anyway. Us Earthlings might only be getting in the way.

    My only point is that we do need to point to the way.



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    Post by hobbit Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:02 am

    dan wrote:Ok, hobbit, you will be our truth magnet, our truth dowser.  And that is what Coherence is all about.... dowsing the Truth.  


    It is, but I operate from My heart field, which is why brain field world is so difficult for Me to operate in.

    Humans have become locked into their brain field, I can, and have to operate in this brain dominated system, but switch instantly onto my heart field to attune to what all others are operating from.

    Humans are masters of the brain field, but the heart field is far far more powerful, and I can measure this of all in creation( at our scale is easiest, micro is hard)

    Smelly is heart field, You are brain field, it causes friction.

    The planet is heart field.

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    Post by dan Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:09 am

    smelly and me friction ....... Nah...... we’re all on the same team.  

    It’s just a question of trust.  

    You suppose that the truth and brain field are opposed.  They are not.  It’s just that we have, with science, used the short end of our brain field to grasp the truth.  With Coherence, we will have much greater reach.  

    You do have to open your mind to Truth, which is just love, by another name.  It is holistic.  Science has tried to take a reductionist path to truth.  It very effective, technologically, but it totally misses the boat when it comes to the larger questions.  There are attempts, like Systems Theory, to amend things, but amendments are not going to be sufficient.  There is a whole new paradigm, and it’s not about atoms in the void.  

    We are afraid of words and ideas because the intellectual community has been using them against us..... to control us.

    The intellectual/academic community swallowed into the scientific paradigm, hook, line and sinker. It turned out to be a dead end.... a hole. They don’t know how to did their way out.


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    Post by 99 Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:20 am

    hobbit wrote:Dan,

    This cohTT is why I quoted from two different books, and in both I recognise truths, they find Me and sort of jump out of the jumble of words that books are to Me.


    99,
    I have strong Viking links, and thus have Dupuytrens contracture hands.



    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1305903/

    Mix in a strong southern Ireland part. and You bake an hobbit.

    They can't puzzle out how the Vikings and lots of other tribes navigated the seas, I know exactly how, and clouds and weather systems matter not, no compass needed.

    I could sail to America in both directions and land You on the self same sixpence location each time, no matter where the wind may take You.
    It's how birds and fish navigate, how the wise salmon can return across the Atlantic to the exact spot it was created at.


    It's so simple, but it needs a simple mind to attune to the matrix.

    Your tuning dial is heart centred.


    https://wakeup-world.com/2014/10/12/heart-centered-awareness-our-portal-to-joy/



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    How fascinating! Will check out those links and thanks for sharing!
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    Post by hobbit Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:22 am

    Words, words ,words.....

    I should have used tension instead of friction, as it is all about torsion fields not attuned to each other.

    Women are far more heart centred, men are predominately brain centred.
    Hence the tensions that occur, men in love suddenly are swept into their heart fields, love is the truth.

    Pregnant women are suddenly two heart centred and the new creation field is enormous , some women become depressed when they are no longer within that new heart field, and crave to be with the new creation, whilst brain field men often can't understand the fuss.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:31 am

    hobbit wrote:Words, words ,words.....

    I should have used tension instead of friction, as it is all about torsion fields not attuned to each other.

    Women are far more heart centred, men are predominately brain centred. Hence the tensions that occur, men in love suddenly are swept into their heart fields, love is the truth.

    Pregnant women are suddenly two heart centred and the new creation field is enormous , some women become depressed when they are no longer within that new heart field, and crave to be with the new creation, whilst brain field men often can't understand the fuss.

    hobbit

    Indeed.

    Why is there suffering on Earth...no reason.

    There is no reason for this suffering but weak will, this is a battle of will.

    Fear and greed won’t make it over the finish line, hearts will.

    Well hobbit, my heart is attuned to my will, I know exactly what you mean.

    It shines bright as the Sun.

    It is in the heart, Dan can only meet us in the Heart and us him.

    We shall wait for you Dan.

    The Cosmos has brought you a goat and hobbit, and you barely know what to do Wink

    Why was I born in this dark age, oh yah, this is why.


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    Post by dan Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:32 am

    Ok, the tension is that smelly and I are are trying to stretch the two sides of the portal that we all need to walk through.  He is paranoid about my participation..... about my ambitions.  

    I have ambition for the Truth, and both of you are afraid that you are going to be swallowed by the Truth.  


    Ok, smelly, you admit that you are afraid of me and my ambitions for the Truth. You deny the Truth so the you can deny me.

    This is a team effort. I’m not going to give up ‘my’ Truth for anything, anyone. This is not some personal quirk.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:34 am

    Do you really think hunk hobbit and the goat are afraid Dan?

    That is misreading the signs completely.

    Sorry Dan, the Truth is the Heart and mine is gobbling you up Wink

    But I’m happy to pull this portal open wide with you, I have the strength of Atlas available to do so. And the fire of Prometheus burns at our center, white hot and cold.

    I think it’s clear the goat and hobbit are meant to be on your team whether you like it or not.



    Let’s be friends Dan.


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    Post by dan Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:40 am

    So why do you have to be oppositionally defiant.  

    Relax...... accept the larger truth.  It is larger than all of us together.

    You are waiting for me to give you the secret handshake...... to deny the Princess...... to bow down to you as the king of the world.....?

    What is it, smelly......? Spit it out........


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:41 am

    Do you see hobbit and I tearing you down?

    We bring things back to the center, into the Heart is all.

    Is this a battle of heart and mind?

    We do not oppose you, we are hugging you and you are squirming away.

    I suppose the Truth is bigger and smaller than anything.

    Dan, we are just waiting for hug.

    We have no requirements from the materia.

    If the Princess be centered, then we are her here now with you.

    I just saw the princess in my mind with a goat an hobbt by her side.

    You must be here too.


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    Post by dan Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:45 am

    smelly,

    You don’t understand...... to love me, you have to love my Truth.

    Why can’t you grok on that?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:46 am

    Dan, we are speaking of and pointing to the same thing.

    Can’t you see that?

    This is funny.


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    Post by dan Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:52 am

    You deny the power of thought and imagination.  

    You deny the Vision.  I am the Vision. I am the Spirit of Truth.  

    I know what your problem is.  

    You are denying Jesus.  Jesus is my heart.  I am Jesus’ mind.  

    It’s all in the Bible.  Yes, smelly, you threw out the baby with the bath water.  

    That’s what is really going on here.

    Admit it, smelly. I do believe I have your number..... your real obstacle with the Vision. You are looking for love in all the wrong places. Look to Jesus and you will understand my heart and my Vision.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:54 am

    Now you sound like those fundamentalists.

    Sad

    Aren’t the heart in mind in the same body?

    They are always arguing Wink

    Let us for a moment agree that we are all connected.

    Can we synchronize?

    If there be the will, we can.

    I will it, so it must be.

    I am obviously, using your words, part of the heart and mind of Christ. Jesus is a folk hero invented and used.

    It’s a tainted form.

    I feel the same energy that lashed out at the princess here now.

    Maybe this isn’t about saving anyone but your self.


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    Post by dan Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:58 am

    I have no argument with Jesus, but you do, smelly.  Get over it..... get with it.  

    You are never going to take the Jesus out of me, no matter how hard you try.  


    Jesus has got to be our point of synchrony...... no substitutes will do.  

    Don’t leave home with the j-guy.  

    That’s all.  And you cannot stand it.

    You think you have saved yourself. You are that arrogant.

    I’m here to teach that we are not self-contained.

    Not without the j-man and the Truth.

    That is a bitter pill for you to swallow. You, and many, have set your hearts against Jesus.


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    Post by hobbit Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:02 am

    Dan,
    http://www.egyptian-scarabs.co.uk/weighing_of_the_heart.htm
    Maat.

    They worshipped the scarab beetle as a god.

    It rolled a ball of dung along an east west line, and at a certain point where a north south line bisected it, it digs a hole, lays an egg and drops the ball of dung on top of it.
    From this hole in the ground there crawls a new scarab beetle.

    The ancient Egyptians were dowsers supreme (view their hands)


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:02 am

    I’m not trying to Wink

    I am the heart of Christ before you.

    Will you do what every age has done?

    Deny me?

    I am speaking to my self in you.

    I see it in you too.

    A hobbit, spy, goat, physicist and princess walk into a bar fight together.

    Let’s not fight each other.

    I don’t name it, but come on man, it’s obvious what’s happening here, no?


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    Post by dan Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:06 am

    Sorry, smelly, no substitutes will do.


    What, hobbit........?

    Are you comparing Jesus with a dung beetle. You’ve got to be nuts!


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:08 am

    So let it be known, the hobbit and goat do not oppose anything.

    We are here for you Dan.

    We are here together to honor the ancient contract.

    I have you Dan, in full embrace.

    Love wins.

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    Post by dan Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:14 am

    Love me...... love Jesus..... love the Truth.  

    Jesus is the way the truth and the light, and he ain’t no dung beetle.  

    I’m merely pointing to Jesus.  The Truth led me to Jesus and Jesus led me to the Truth.  

    When you deny Jesus, you deny all of human history...... you deny Humanity.

    That is your basic problem, smelly and hobbit.  

    You deny humanity, and God’s plan for us.

    You deny that we are, or that we could possibly be, part of someone’s plan.  All your heart talk is for nought, if you don’t know who we are and why we are here.  

    We are here, smelly and hobbit, because someone had the Vision of the Best Possible World. I am the shadow of that Someone.


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    Post by hobbit Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:19 am

    This site has a god name....Ha ha my bad I wrote good.




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    Post by dan Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:23 am

    Ok, hobbit, so what is your point, exactly......?

    That Jesus is a walking plagiarism?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:24 am

    Very good you two.

    It’s all unfolding as I have seen it Wink

    Dan, don’t be such a name dropper.

    Don’t know, straight on.

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