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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:52 am

    First topic message reminder :

    Ok, here we go...... as I take a deep breath.......

    Well, this post will be reserved as the topical reminder.  Hopefully the discussion will last for more that one page.

    (Please keep in mind the links given in the fifth post on this thread...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t313-three-in-one )

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:16 am

    dan wrote:Ron keeps telling me that I’m in charge of Disclosure.  

    Is it wrong for me to take that personally?

    Facilitation......?

    I tell the only Truth that makes any sense.  

    If I’m in charge of that, then it would make sense that I’m the Spirit of Truth.  No?  Prove me wrong.  

    .

    Dan is not the arbiter of Disclosure.

    You are.

    I proved that for my self and you will have to do that as well.

    I think people here are fairly transparent.

    If I blew on you, you would blow away in the wind.

    That’s a hint.

    Blow away in the wind and what more needs to be disclosed?
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    Post by dan Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:18 am

    If we listened to you, smelly, the Earth would blow away.  

    But don’t worry, that’s not going to happen.  

    I believe more in the BPWH than I believe in smelly...... and, guess what, smelly believes in nothing.  

    End of story..... end of smelly.  But keep drawing us those pretty pictures..... please.

    I love your pictures of Nothing.
    ............


    I had a lengthy conversation with AP.......

    He is still a bit confused about my situation.......

    He is confused about the CohTT.

    He is even confused about the Anthropic Principle....... he does not understand the distinction between the Weak and Strong versions.

    He even told me what AP stands for..... something like anomalous perception...... meaning remote viewing.

    I asked him if had remote viewed the visitors or their point of origin. He said not.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:27 am

    dan wrote:If we listened to you, smelly, the Earth would blow away.  

    But don’t worry, that’s not going to happen.  

    I believe more in the BPWH than I believe in smelly...... and, guess what, smelly believes in nothing.  

    End of story..... end of smelly.  But keep drawing us those pretty pictures..... please.

    I love your pictures of Nothing.  

    They are pictures of nothing!

    Very good Danny boy.

    But nothing is infinite potential you muppet brain.

    And you can’t celebrate that.

    Too bad for you.

    Your words are fertilizer, not too smelly either.

    I won’t argue with you Dan.

    You complicate what is very very simple.

    You don’t want to go with the flow, great, keep in your dream Wink

    It’s fun to watch you go in circles and these muppets follow you.

    You don’t get IT cranky old man Wink

    That’s fine, who cares?!

    This is self evident and all can prove it for themselves and need take no one’s words for IT.

    Distract them with tech and point to the place you fear to go.

    I’d say it’s a perfect setup for love.

    Nothing changes here on the Closed Minds Forum.

    And Dan is confused by his own big words.

    You guys are impressed with Dan and Ron or the UFO elite?

    Haha.

    Good, he’s here to catch muppets, he just has no idea what happens after that.

    Perfect.

    Dan, when you want to learn how to unlearn, you look me up.

    I’m always here to twist you up and poop on your silly
    Muppet theories about life, bahahahaha.
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    Post by dan Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:09 am

    smelly......
    But nothing is infinite potential you muppet brain.

    Finally, you said a word of truth.  As a matter of fact, that may be the biggest secret of cosmology.

    Yours is the only correct answer to why is there something rather than nothing.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:16 am

    Dan, I know who I AM.

    I play with your word thingies and pick them apart.

    You are going to have to get a lot dirtier my friend.

    And as a beacon, I AM streaming IT into material existence.

    I AM here waiting for you always.

    I just didn’t need to work it all out with a pencil my Asberger muppet friend.

    I cheated.

    I stole IT!
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    Too bad most here don’t get the grotesque jest.

    The jester is a beautiful way to wake up to the contradiction of living.

    I think you laugh in private.

    Ok, just had to say, Dan is not the man, you are.

    Back to to your regular muppet programming...


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    Post by dan Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:20 am

    Very good, smelly.  

    Now, do you mind if we chew on your Nothing..... for a bit..... please?

    In the past, I have said that nothing is the only thing that can’t exist.  

    That was a glib assertion.  Nobody questioned me.  

    smelly is the first one to do so...... thank you, smelly.  

    Now it looks like I’ll have to sharpen my Asperger’s pencil.......  

    When we attempt to discern new truth, is often useful to consider the old truths.......

    An interesting factoid is that Torricelli proved that there was a vacuum, in 1643.  

    Before that, there was speculation about whether God could create Nothing.  

    According to the BPWH, there is only one thing that God can create.... the BPW...... so, there.....

    Allow me to explain, please.....

    Leibniz explained, with a little help from Einstein.......

    It’s called the Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR).  

    This is what Kit Williams helped me to rediscover in 1981.  

    God can’t do anything without a reason.  In particular, God cannot play dice with the universe...... he can’t play dice, period.  God cannot turn off his omniscience..... without projecting himself into a created veil of ignorance.  We call it the Earth.  

    Yes, the Earth is almost a spiritual vacuum.  

    The Gnostics knew this.  God had to create a spiritual vacuum in order to do an experiment.  His experiment was Creation. It’s hard to create anything within a spiritual pleroma.  

    And, yes, nature abhors a vacuum.

    We are God’s little test tube.  

    But, alack alas, God can’t cheat.  The experiment was a foregone conclusion...... it’s you and me, here now.

    I guess that God wanted to know if there was anything more powerful than himself.  He found it, right there in the test tube....... love wins..... every time, and especially in the end.  

    God saw that his little experiment was good, so he decided to frame it in Eternity.  We call it the BPW/CTC.  

    End of story.  

    There is only one person in the world who can prove this, and she’s going to call me, when she’s finished camp.  


    6(gmt-4)..........

    Ok, sports fans, here’s the latest from cheetahland........

    It seems that Kashmir had a lemonade stand there, and one time Kentido Kentodo came to buy a glass of lemonade.  He was an old cheetah, who, as she learned later, had created the Milky Way.  

    She said she didn’t know much about that.  But she did know something about the Earth, because she had created it.  

    So far so good........

    Tell me about it, says I.........

    Well, first, she created Pluto, but that didn’t work out too well.  

    Sometime, later, she created the Earth.  Basically, it was created by mixing together two different magical potions consisting of an orange peel, a rotten peach, a rotten plum, some green dragon eggs and a few other ingredients, which I don’t remember.  There may have been a magic spell, also.  

    The two potions were mixed together and they exploded into what became the Earth.  The explosion was observed from the cheetah planet.  

    I asked why she created the Earth.  The answer was unintelligible to me.

    At this point she was called away by her Mom.  

    There you have it, straight from the cheetah’s mouth, well, almost.  

    For some background on this lesson, you may wish to revisit the Panama tape, where she also talks about the Planets, particularly Neptune.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:59 am

    Dan, can I just add, I saw your comment that nothing is the only thing that can’t exist.

    I was like, that’s right on, maybe Dan isn’t as dumb a muppet as he seems Wink

    Use the old truths until you don’t need them.

    As I read you say that, I was drawing pictures of nothing.

    You also are right on with the CTC and Oroborus.

    I wonder if you will ever leave all philosophy Dan.

    That would be something to see.

    If you get close to source, the aroma of such will be obvious.

    No one can pretend there Wink

    That’s why most never go there.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:29 am

    The silly little edits you make 99 show me how disengaged you are and not following the bouncing ball.

    It’s very silly and irrelevant.

    Do as you like, always missing the point though.

    Words are fertilizer, as you will be one day.

    Nothing can be offensive.

    Only clueless egos are offended about anything.

    You should profane and offend yourself.

    If you only let what your itching ears want to hear in or eyes see, you will miss it all.
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    Post by 99 Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:36 am

    Sorry Smelly but that image was ridiculously 'over the top'. No choice but to remove it.
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    Post by Sign Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:41 am

    99

    So your an ADMIN as well.. did not know that.. sneaky so and So..


    Sign

    Ps There's a lot of Bull shit going about today.. Very Happy
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    Post by 99 Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:59 am

    Nope... that's Cy (and Dan too). I'm just her little helper because she's very busy now with her other projects. Very Happy



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:06 am

    Over the top?

    Bahahahahahaha

    These muppets are so clueless Wink

    You have no sense of humor about yourself 99z

    Let go a little.

    Me thinks you are holding on a weee bit too tight.

    Relaaaaxxxxxx

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    Typically I go after those who are offended.

    But I know how fragile you are.

    I don’t care anymore than to swat you away now.

    Hey, that’s progress for the smelly goat!

    And to show how clueless Cy is, here we are discussing the meat of life and awarensss and she is busy doing what else?

    Living it is more to the point I suppose than discussing it.

    What else matters?!

    The clueless muppets move about on the Earth like lemmings doing nothing.

    This is a hilarious microcosm, as above, so below.

    I love OMF.

    You can see how distracted we are just by watching OMF muppets.

    This place has always been my smelly lab.

    But no one is in charge.
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    Post by Just wandering Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:12 am

    AB, why did you call me the chosen one, just before you set off that threat?

    And do you know anything about who contacted me?

    You said to me, Remember who you are.

    Why would you say that?

    Mion, who also said it, obviously does not think so now.

    Why did you?

    Completely screwing with my head.

    I so trusted Mion, but he lost trust in me.

    I trusted him with all my heart.


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    Post by 99 Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:15 am

    smiley wrote:I love OMF.

    You can see how distracted we are just by watching OMF muppets.

    This place has always been my smelly lab.

    But no one is in charge.

    Sleep
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:32 am

    I agree, you are an utter snooze 99, because you are snoozing.

    You will be more fun when you realize and wake up.

    Until then, enjoy dreaming about those bottles of beer on the wall.
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    Post by whoknows Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:35 am

    Dan,

    Had a waking dream last nigh which featured you Dan.

    Just letting you know if you intend to, now or in the future, go to Chichen Itza and you see four burly guys, a pail of blue paint and a rather large and sharp obsidian knife; RUN!

    You will be their sacrificial little chicken for opening their portal... Just sayin man, mind who you play with.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:43 am

    As always, 99 provides a teachable moment.

    Who gets to decide what's offensive?

    Where’s the line between what's simply distasteful or annoying, and what breaks the law? Who decides, and upon what grounds? Where’s the line to be drawn?

    It’s important to realize that other people have rights too, not just you.

    You have every right to be offended, and I have every right to offend—but neither of us has any right to stop the other from feeling that way.

    Regardless of what some self-important folks would have you believe—you DO have the right to offend. In fact, you have NO CHOICE but to offend! There will always be uncountable numbers of people who have opinions opposite to yours, and many will be insulted and annoyed by even the existence of your point of view. But that’s the way opinions work—they’re different for each of us, and many of us will never agree… and that’s ok.

    How could that ever be considered wrong?

    If we’re going to play that game, then I suppose I’m offended by your righteous indignation that your views are more valid than mine.

    Throw that man in jail!

    Wherever did the absurd notion come from that people were somehow guaranteed to never be offended?

    Wake up muppet.
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    Post by 99 Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:44 am

    Soooooo strange about Dan showing up in our dreams and mind's eye visions. Something is going on here, that's for sure!

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    Post by Sign Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:00 am

    Smelly

    Are you saying ?.. i have the Right to offend. anyone.. tooooooooooooo.. Very Happy

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    Post by Just wandering Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:06 am

    How do you leave this Hotel California?
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    Post by whoknows Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:09 am

    Sign wrote:
    Are you saying ?.. i have the Right to offend. anyone.. tooooooooooooo.. Very Happy

    I, for one would that, that would add to the fun around here . It's been getting so uptight around here that you'd need a sedge hammer to drive a straight pin up some ass.

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    Post by whoknows Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:13 am

    just wandering wrote:How do you leave this Hotel California?

    Oh haha "you can never leave," have a few tokes sit back and enjoy the ride.

    There, don't yo smell it? no not smelly; "the warm smell of colitas rising in the air."
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:30 pm

    Sign wrote:Smelly

    Are you saying ?.. i have the Right to offend. anyone.. tooooooooooooo.. Very Happy


    Of course Sign!

    Personally, I can't be offended, thus endeth the lesson.

    Who is offended, only egos you don't need to care about offending.

    They are big muppets, they will get over it.

    I am an equal opportunity offender and I am not even that smelly.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:31 pm

    whoknows wrote:
    Sign wrote:
    Are you saying ?.. i have the Right to offend. anyone.. tooooooooooooo.. Very Happy

    I, for one would that, that  would add to the fun around here . It's been getting so uptight around here that you'd need a sedge hammer to drive a straight pin up some ass.


    I come around and kick OMF in the ass when needed.

    I discovered it was one of my jobs on Earth.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:03 pm

    The eyes beyond the dark abyss,
    Which covered by the light
    Lay hidden there beyond all myth
    Blind hollows seeking sight

    Upon the placid lake of death
    A wise old serpent comes to rest
    Sinking, sinking, deep and cold
    Into the underworld abode

    Seven oceans deep and blue
    Where glaring eyes stare back at you
    Singing songs of iridescent green
    Shimmering reflections of the Queen

    What barren wastes breed paradise
    Without which nothing comes
    Beyond these tepid pair of eyes
    Where breeds her buzzing hums


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