Immaterialism

First topic message reminder :

Ok, here we go...... as I take a deep breath.......

Well, this post will be reserved as the topical reminder.  Hopefully the discussion will last for more that one page.

(Please keep in mind the links given in the fifth post on this thread...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t313-three-in-one )

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hobbit wrote:99,

Sheldrakes fields of resonance are fields of consciousness.

Hob.... right.... Sheldrake, referred to that all-encompassing “consciousness” as the Akashic records which are comprised of morphic fields and units from which the “explicate order”, draws from through a feedback mechanism that he calls “Morphic Resonance”.

Also, I like the rest of what you wrote. It makes sense to me and I resonate with it.

Sign wrote:99 

well if i'm still around in another seventy year.. Maybe they will have released another VIDEO.. 


Sign

As for TTSA.... who would have guessed that their reveals would be moving at such a glacial rate as it has so far since that first tic tac vid.

I think everybody is a little disappointed about that and their updates are far and few in-between. They really don't have much in way of a promotion/PR dept. hence why they failed to keep up that fast-paced initial momentum to maintain public interest. Even the email updates are very sparse.

99 

i like that one .. glacial 


so much for their off world Material .. TTSA .. if you have it.... PROVE IT. Stop F**king about.. 

why they have even reveled it exists  .. baffles me if they are not going to revel it .. 


Sign.

Well, am hoping they'll give us the results of those tests conducted on their material evidence. I guess tests like that take time to process. Anyway, it should be interesting if and when it ever happens.

little old septic me.... thinks we will not be getting the results. 

Plus (not sure of their exact statement on the material.. i.e not manufactured on earth.. )

if they know is was not manufacture on earth. then they have already done the testing .. stands to reason, otherwise they would not know it had not be manufacture here..

Again .. its All Bull shit.  or prove me wrong TTSA

The other thing that gets me .. if it not of this earth.. why is it not in government hands.. .. and in B Bigelows buildings.. is it so congress 
can't go into a private company's property 


Sign .. The truth is out there..

Ha! You got a point there. lol Anyway, as always, it's wait and see.

99 read my other comment.. and your right there. wait being the operative word..  

Sign

Well, Sign.......

If you are waiting for nut&bolts to drop out of the sky, I’m afraid you’ll be waiting for a long time.  

My prediction is that it’s the sky that is in the process of falling on our heads, not the nut&bolts.  

We’re trying to let you down, gently, Sign.  

If we came right out and said........ sorry, sports fans, there are no nut&bolts out there, there would be run on the banks.  It would signal the end of material progress....... not good for the economy.  

It would be difficult to capitalize on the Monad, since it is eternal.  

The Disclosure of immaterialism signals the end of Capitalism.  

That’s why we work under the aegis of a WoM/MoAPS...... we don’t want to kick any sleeping Capitalists.  This, here, on OM, is little ‘d’ disclosure.  

All we get with the little ‘d’ are fire drills...... and we get to celebrate the Fourth, along with everyone else on these shores.  

But, I can ask you, Sign, what is there not to like about the BPW?  What were you going to do with all those nut&bolts?  

We’re they going to get you any closer to God?  

Should I apologize for these dashed hopes? Be careful what you wish for, Sign. We are coming to the big wishing well in the sky.

There is a goodie bag out there, somewhere. It may have a few nut&bolts...... to tide the economy over, until we can get our heads straightened out.


(cont......)

That's whats wrong with the world Dan.. capitalism


We should be striving to make all of us equal NOT.. i'm going to exploit the people working under me.. 


and if they keep manipulating the weather. the sky may well fall

Sign

not to be a broken record, but, there is nothing to disclose that isn't already known to all

the truth isn't out there waiting for you to discover it, it is within you

look within, not with-out

if you find nothing, you're there

jofo,

Yes and no........

Could we say that the truth is amongst us....... between us.  It is interpersonal.  


Sign,

We have at least two conceptions of Spirit that are in play......

...... the  smitty kind and the ‘smelly’ kind.......

There is the pantheist spirit and the panentheist spirit.  The one leads to Sunyata, the other to the Source.  Vanilla and chocolate?  

Not quite, I don’t think.  

This choice will determine our New World Order.  

Will there be a choice?  

I don’t think there will be much of a choice.  If there is, very likely the choice has already been predetermined...... you go with your flow.  

But somehow our souls do have to be recycled.  I don’t think we can do that on our own.  

If you align yourself with the Source, you get to see a bit further.  Otherwise....... well, it’s like covering your eyes on a roller coaster.  No biggie, right?  Vanilla..... chocolate.....


5:20.........

hobbit,

Clearly, you prefer vanilla.  I prefer chocolate.  

But is this all there is to Disclosure........ vanilla vs chocolate?  I don’t think so...... not quite.  

In my estimation, Disclosure is to find out why we’re here...... find out who we are.   It may be that most folks don’t really care.  They want to enjoy being here..... hang out with their friends.  

And, very probably, that’s why we’re here..... to hang out.  

But there is a maintenance issue.  In order to hang out, we do need to have a spot.  We do need Creation.  This doesn’t come for free.  There is a rent, even if it is our prison cell.  

Our rent is simply what it takes to complete the Circuit...... to fill in the Gap...... Omega >> Alpha.  We bridge the Gap, somewhat as ants are wont to do, with their bodies, grasping each other.  With us, it’s more of a mental exercise.  

The internet may be the principle way that we bridge the Gap..... wiring the world together.  The Omega is the Telos/Source...... mainly where we discharge our duties of coCreation.  The Source is just the flip side of the Telos.  A very significant part of Creation is backward causation, which is just another name for teleology.  

Paying our rent for Creation...... it could be entertaining, if we approach it positively...... which is something that differentiates between pantheism and panentheism. It may be more than vanilla vs chocolate.

After all, someone has got figure out how to put the stars in the sky, sans the Big Bang. In effect you would be using a computerized version of the Big Bang. But hasn’t that program already been written and tested? Sure it has...... by us. We’ll get to find out what that chore was like.

But what if you’d really rather not have to do the chores? Well, go talk to smelly. He is the Tea carrier...... chop wood.... haul ayahuasca.


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Dan wrote:Sign, 

There are at least two conceptions of Spirit that are in play......

...... the smitty kind and the ‘smelly’ kind....... 

not sure what you mean 

Sign

As a human living in a very very material world, how would I describe the immaterial world.
I have pondered this when asked to draw out what is detectable in the immaterial world.
I would draw ….
Straight lines.
zig zags
triangles.
circles.

These can be found globally across vast time differences, on rock carvings and in caves.


Now We have words that convey that image to those who understand the words used.
Dan has obviously swallowed multiple dictionaries, so is embroiled in words, but imagine Dan talking to a native of a forgotten tribe, or writing letters to them.


I reckon a hobbit showing them straight lines and circles where they too know such are may communicate better.



To better experience the immaterial does not need words, it requires using dormant senses We all have, but have forgotten due to words.


hobbit

"What is it about caves"




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJnEQCMA5Sg&t=46s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UvQwr9CscQ
Indeed.


My earliest encounter was in Knaresborough.
I was taken there to the petryfing well where a witch is said to have lived.

I had a friend there, the so called witch.

I could hardly be torn away from there.


I have met Her again at a stone circle called the rollrights.

She is pure love, and pure white that cannot be described with words, You just feel Her.

Mother Shipton.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Shipton%27s_Cave


https://www.ancient.eu/article/903/legends-of-the-rollright-stones-oxfordshire/

Hobbit

Sign wrote:not to be a broken record, but i don'\t think everything is spiritual 


Sorry 

what more do you need, than that which you already have?

everything is already within, there can be no more than everything

between us is only our understanding of our self's

in that sense, everything is indeed spiritual

jofo,

With the understanding that we cannot understand our microcosms without grokking the Cosmos/Telos/Source.  There is only one Self, after all..... the Cosmic Self.

But I think I’m just repeating what you already said, jofo.  Right?

Sign might want to just google immaterialism.

There’s really not much left to do...... just wrapping up Creation..... tying it with a pretty bow.  

I could think of worse jobs.  

If I were a Star Tekkie, I might find this to be a big let down.  

But, wait, isn’t Trekkiedom mainly about wearing the costumes?  

I mean, a Star Gate might be fun...... but wait again, we already have them..... portals.  Which is more fun..... the Hive or Serpo?  I always figured that Serpo was part of the Hive.  

If the Monad is just going to be one big mind meld, don’t we have to sign a privacy clause?

If you think Facebook is bad..... just you wait.  

Is is too late to sign up for that pantheism course?  hobbit......?  

Where did he get off to?  
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Every time we do a fire drill, we’re that much closer to realizing that the divine spark is within.  Remember what Smokey Bear says.... only you can start the forest Fire.... it only takes one spark.  

Are portals within?  I was told that Kevin has a video of an entity associated with the machine by the Lake.  Foot had it analyzed. Within and without may become blurred, in the age of the smart phone.  

Telephony and telepathy are two aspects of the mind meld.  You haven’t gotten that memo, yet?  

That’s what Disclosure is really about...... maybe.

Otherwise, it’s just orbs, all the way down.  

After all, the Moon is an orb...... no?

Kashmir is maybe going to tell me who made the Milky Way.... an acquaintance..... one might wonder.  

Who made the Cheetah’s spots?  I want to know that, too.  

Isn’t that just Camouflage?  So is Nature..... or is it a Cosmetic?  I keep forgetting.  Fortunately, Disclosure is coming soon..... to a portal near you.  
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My sister, Louise, used to wear a Smokey outfit when she was with Earth First.  I think it’s People First.  Or maybe it’s cheetah whisperers first.  I can dress up as Chicken Little..... just in case.  

Is the sky falling ...... or did Atlas just shrug?  Or is our Resonance about to morph?  What’s the Frequency, Dan?  

See something...... say something.  Oh, wait, I already did that, twenty seven years ago.  I wonder if the message got through?  

I think it got through to Vegas.  That’s what they tell me, anyhow.  But did donny get the memo?  What’s the Frequency, donny?  


(cont......)

Sorry  Jofo/ Dan if this offends

but all i see written is mumbo jumbo to baffle "Day Tripper" like me..


Sign.. bye..

Sign,

Dumb sods........?  

Actually, it’s more like day trippers.  

Disclosure is about connecting dots, for all of us.  

Even MJ12 has to connect the dots.  

But here is a dot for you.......

Disclosure is a package deal, and it looks like maybe I’m supposed to be the package...... given that Disclosure is supposed to be personal, and all that.  

But I’ve been wrong, before.  

AP wanted to know if I was flypaper.

Flypaper........?

I can think of worse jobs. I am spinning a web of sorts. Charlotte’s Web..... Scheherazade spring to mind.

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dan wrote:
Disclosure is a package deal, and it looks like maybe I’m supposed to be the package...... given that Disclosure is supposed to be personal, and all that.  

What are you doing to facilitate disclosure? And further, who - other than yourself - has said disclosure is personal?

Ron keeps telling me that I’m in charge of Disclosure.  

Is it wrong for me to take that personally?

Facilitation......?

I tell the only Truth that makes any sense.

If I’m in charge of that, then it would make sense that I’m the Spirit of Truth. No? Prove me wrong.

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dan wrote:Ron keeps telling me that I’m in charge of Disclosure.  

Is it wrong for me to take that personally?

Seems he's the keeper then. But first, you'll need something from him to disclose.

PF,

What is there about ‘package’ that you don’t understand?

Dan is flypaper....
Catches interesting "flies" for others to be aware of....
Its an ol ruse...

Ron is the bad cop to Semivan's good cop...
But bith were senior intel agents at the CIA...
...now "consulting" those who fill their ol shoes & private co's- then scurries back with info

dan wrote:Ron keeps telling me that I’m in charge of Disclosure.  

Is it wrong for me to take that personally?

Facilitation......?

I tell the only Truth that makes any sense.  

If I’m in charge of that, then it would make sense that I’m the Spirit of Truth.  No?  Prove me wrong.  

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Nothing needs to make sense, nor should you use your ‘sense’ as the judge of value or truth, whatever reality is.

Sometimes you have to walk backward and look with one or no eyes.

Ohhhh, mysterious.

In fact you will lose your senses before you find any.

You will skirt madness and very often be mad if you are serious about discovering and knowing your Self, which only comes in the flames.

But the drop is not the ocean.

Truly, we are each just drips of the One big drop.

But that Drop dances on the canvas.

You think you guide that dance Dan?!

Ha!

Nope.

Just two old buskers singing their same ole songs...