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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:25 am

    First topic message reminder :

    (‘first topic message reminder.......’)

    Once again, I attempt to bring the conversation back to Personalism......

    Disclosure is simply going to underscore the infinite worth and potential of every sapient creature, ie, person.  Anything other than that is simply false.
    ...........


    (Please keep in mind the links given in the fifth post on this thread......

    https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t313-three-in-one )



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:53 am

    CC why don’t you contribute something you dumb muppet.
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    Post by Course Catalog Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:58 pm

    I am who am within without but not without reason.

    The inner world touches my toenails and scratches my scrotum.

    Geisho said "Sit not with your knees touching

    like the cosmos on the back of a hypnotically seduced whale."

    Don't try. Just be. The light caresses your brain cells.

    Bringing forth perfection.

    [Insert Dave Matthews Band video here]

    I am like a candy wrapper blown into a pile of leaves.

    There is no death. We are not snorkeling.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:04 pm

    Good show!

    Don’t try, just be says it all.

    Even if someone thinks it’s nonsense, be true to yourself.

    It will be nonsense to most people.

    I don’t believe in anything but my Self, that must be what’s wrong with me.

    I went all the way myself.

    The universe said don’t kill yourself, free yourself.

    Good lyrics.

    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    Have fun CC, don’t be such a dick Wink

    Though, being a dick sometimes, is a lot of fun.

    Straight on, dick away.

    I think you are hella funny.
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    Post by 99 Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:47 pm

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    Post by Course Catalog Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:22 pm

    Sorry AB - was not trying to be a dick. Just having some fun. You should have seen the Footman parody I deleted before posting.

    Hey Dan, should we still expect something major before July 4?

    By the way, is the substance of love something I can get out with dry cleaning?
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    Post by dan Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:39 am

    Very funny, CC.  

    Ron still mentions the Fourth...... take it as you may.  

    In philosophy two primary ontological contenders are substance theory and bundle theory.  

    We also have the notions of persons within a substance and of transubstantiation.  

    I’m fine with bundles, but what holds the bundle together, if not love?


    4:30.......

    One might be tempted to say that persons are mere attributes of God..... that the j-man is an attribute of God.  No.  

    We are all soulmates of God..... we share the same personal soul..... the same soul of Personhood...... of the Source.  

    Why am I a Jesus freak?  

    Jesus was the first born.  It makes a bit more sense if we say that he was the first spinoff of the monadic Mother/Source.  We’re not talking temporarily.  We’re talking logically...... or that the left brain/Logos was the primal spinoff of the Source..... the very first act of Creation.... the primal/logical self-differentiation.  

    What was happening with Adam and Eve.....?  They were the patriarchal revisions of the above. Actually, Jesus was the rib/backbone of the Source/Mother, if you will.


    And what does substance theory have to do with UFOs.....?

    UFOs are messengers/facilitators of the monadic Source.  They are aerial portals.

    They can shape-shift.  We can only shape-shift on the other side.

    But where’s the beef.....?  Where’s the substance.....?  It ain’t hubcaps.  

    The substance is the Spirit.  It is what holds everything together. The Spirit is also the Logos..... is also love.  Wait, I thought j-man was the Logos?  Hmmm.........

    I would suggest the j-man is the Light and the Life.  I subscribe to the Filioque..... the Spirit proceeds from the Mother (and the Son).  

    The spirit of truth is the logos, in other words. And I’m suggesting that the logos is also the PSR. But, hey, I’ve been wrong before.



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    Post by AtomicBrando Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:56 am

    Ha

    I’m a dick all the time.

    I have terrible manners too.

    I said you were hella funny.
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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:50 am

    Hello Dan,

    I'm informed by CC you're on this thread now. Glad to see you haven't ghosted off OMF.

    - I read a transcript of Puthoff's recent statements to SSE over at Grant's website. The tic-tac footage appears legitimate. But Puthoff's claims about Roswell - as well as Davis' on C2C - are in no public record.

    - Jack has gone tits up MAGA over on his twitter. Seems MAGA is popular among some other birds too. WTF is up with that? How does Trump's polinsanity help with the aftermath of disclosure?

    - Does Steve Pieczenik and Robert David Steele somehow fit in with this craziness?

    I worry the big birds have had their brains scrambled by ET/UT/WTF-T like Greer did. Ignoring Vallee's warnings and forming a new UFO cult behind the deep state scenes.

    It worries me.
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    Post by whoknows Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:09 am

    Ab wrote:I’m a dick all the time.

    Yes Ab, you are always something though I do enjoy watching you try to be nothing.

    Dan wrote:Ron still mentions the Fourth...... take it as you may.

    Lets see, since it's asteroid day, I'm thinking it's going to be something like a porthole hitting earth with a resounding thud... dud thud... thud dud?
    Ya know back in olden times when the prophets got it wrong they dragged them out side the city gate an stoned them, and I don't mean stoned in any good way.
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    Post by hobbit Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:07 am

    ParanoidFactoid wrote:Hello Dan,

    I'm informed by CC you're on this thread now. Glad to see you haven't ghosted off OMF.

    - I read a transcript of Puthoff's recent statements to SSE over at Grant's website. The tic-tac footage appears legitimate. But Puthoff's claims about Roswell - as well as Davis' on C2C - are in no public record.

    - Jack has gone tits up MAGA over on his twitter. Seems MAGA is popular among some other birds too. WTF is up with that? How does Trump's polinsanity help with the aftermath of disclosure?

    - Does Steve Pieczenik and Robert David Steele somehow fit in with this craziness?

    I worry the big birds have had their brains scrambled by ET/UT/WTF-T like Greer did. Ignoring Vallee's warnings and forming a new UFO cult behind the deep state scenes.

    It worries me.

    What is MAGA?

    There is a spherical world outside of America.


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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:22 am

    hobbit wrote:

    What is MAGA?

    There is a spherical world outside of America.

    hobbit

    Make America Great Again. It's Trump's tagline.
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    Post by AtomicBrando Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:23 am

    whoknows I am only playing always.
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    Post by hobbit Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:28 am

    ParanoidFactoid wrote:
    hobbit wrote:

    What is MAGA?

    There is a spherical world outside of America.

    hobbit

    Make America Great Again. It's Trump's tagline.

    Thank You,
    Good for Him.

    Why can't all of these other countries people sort out their own countries?

    I am sick of all this mamby pamby do gooders crap.

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    Post by Z Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:42 pm

    The SCIENTISTS & some others that scream MAGA....also say ETs are a THREAT!.... those are the ones hoping to get a government contracts by demonizing the ET's ....

    Recently that pilot revealed a TicTac actively jammed his craft (Not passive general jamming)...and said it was a hostile act!?!?! Hilarious! Our jet fighter tries to "lock on" their weapon systems to the TicTac but instead of vaporizing the Jet.... The TicTac UFO specifically jammed a few aspects of the jet to prevent any weapons from being fired .... I would say that the TicTac's actions were very defensive very measured and fortunately very understanding and compassionate .
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    Post by 99 Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:35 pm

    Thanks for pointing that out AP. The same kind of thing has happened at nuclear missile sites where a number of times they deactivated some missile launch systems at various sites... and more. It's the same thing. But the military will always interpret such an act as hostile and I don't see that ever changing. But having said this, I hope they do not do that if we're under an attack by a hostile nation where we are trying to defend ourselves by targeting an oncoming missile to destroy it. In a case like that, then we would have something to worry about.
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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:07 pm

    AP wrote:The SCIENTISTS & some others that scream MAGA....also say ETs are a THREAT!.... those are the ones hoping to get a government contracts by demonizing the ET's ....

    Recently that pilot revealed a TicTac actively jammed his craft (Not passive general jamming)...and said it was a hostile act!?!?! Hilarious!  Our jet fighter tries to "lock on"  their weapon systems to the TicTac but instead of vaporizing the Jet.... The TicTac UFO specifically jammed a few aspects of the jet to prevent any weapons from being fired ....  I would say that the TicTac's actions were very defensive very measured and fortunately very understanding and compassionate .

    On C2C Eric Davis recently stated the US government considers Tic-Tac (and UFO phenomena in general) to be a threat. That it has interfered with operations. And that the physics is now better understood to replicate their maneuverability in order to counter them.

    Which clearly means the US plans offensive operations in the near future.

    I think this is worse than misguided. If we go to war with these things we'll get creamed.

    Space Force anyone?

    MAGA!
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    Post by Course Catalog Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:45 pm

    If these things were really a threat, they would have wiped the human race out the minute we tested the first atomic bomb.
    Perhaps the real threat in the eyes of the military and the government, as Grant Cameron points out, is that these Others don't seem to believe in capitalism. In fact, they don't seem to believe in ownership at all.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:58 pm

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    Hostile TicTacs kill bad breath.

    The foul smell comes from muggle mouths who don't believe in magick.

    The magick is not in the words it's just hiding from the herds.

    Remember remember the fourth of July, I know what is coming and no One can hide.

    What's coming is something only time travelers know.
    It hides in the present up high in the snow.
    The view from up here in the frost bitten peaks
    cannot be enjoyed by the intellect seeks.
    We know nothing but that which we see with our eyes,
    final participation among swarms of black flies.
    The bees find the honey, the flies find the shit,
    the cold mountain dwellers suckle milk from her tit.
    My Queen, my beloved, who gives me the earth,
    this beautiful garden I've walked in from birth.
    Your gift of destruction and death come with ease
    as we look down from Cold Mountain just enjoying the breeze.
    Your warm milk and honey are sweet to the taste
    Wrapped tight in your womb no need to make haste.
    Aquarius here now to break open your water,
    to flood the low plains of your lost sons and daughters.
    Up here on Cold Mountain we watch it with wonder
    Up here we are lightning before we are thunder.


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    Post by dan Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:01 pm

    CC,

    Maybe the UTs are communalists.  I don’t think that donald understands communalism.


    Ackbar,

    Your gift of destruction and death comes with ease.....
    I’m waiting for you to explain.  Is the Princess going to be the angel of death?


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    Post by murnut Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:30 pm

    The tic tac I'm thinking is cloaked USA advanced tech

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    Post by Course Catalog Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:31 pm

    Ackbar sounds a little too at ease with mass casualties for my taste.
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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:31 pm

    murnut wrote:The tic tac I'm thinking is cloaked USA advanced tech

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    If it is, Puthoff is lying to his colleagues at SSE. I don't think he'd do that.
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    Post by murnut Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:50 pm

    People lie all the time... Especially when there's money involved

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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:52 pm

    murnut wrote:People lie all the time... Especially when there's money involved

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    People do. And I don't doubt Puthoff would be willing to work with a team that engages in disinformation for national security. But I don't think he'd do that in a peer reviewed journal. And I don't think he'd do that at a technical or scientific conference among colleagues.

    That's not done. If its classified, he'd just say nothing.
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    Post by murnut Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:54 pm

    It's also possible that he doesn't know...

    Being able to cloak a helicopter or jet would be pretty much classified

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