Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

MantidEncounter wrote:

jofo wrote:it's not that there is nothing to hide when it comes to UFOs, it's that there is nothing to discover.  that's the root of the deception.

knowing truly about UFO's will do nothing to free you from the corrupt pain-filled entrapment system that's been built here on earth.

If it isn't important, why is it hidden?

My answer is that is IS important and that's why it is hidden.

And beyond that, you can take it back to the mundane level: we solve ordinary mysteries (crimes). Why should we be constantly instructed to ignore UFO mysteries as though even acknowledging them is embarrassing?

Here's one explanation for the suppression of the UFO phenomenon by the gov't....


Pentagon and MoD officials feared UFOs were either ‘demonic’ or sent by God, former investigators reveal (published on May 8, 2018)


"UFO investigations carried out by the Pentagon and British Ministry of Defence were hampered by the religious beliefs of senior staff, former employees have revealed.

Two men who worked on secret UFO programmes on both sides of the Atlantic said their work received ‘pushback’ from high-ranking officials who feared fast-moving objects glimpsed in our skies were either ‘demonic’ or divine.

....But Elizondo, a former intelligence officer who ran AATIP, has told Las Vegas Now that his study also received ‘pushback’ from The Pentagon because some top-ranking officials ‘opposed it on religious grounds’.


Nick Pope, a former UFO investigator for the Ministry of Defence, told us that he encountered the same sort of attitude when working in the UK. ‘I was aware that Pentagon pushback on UFO research was in part due to the religious belief of some of those involved,’ he said. ‘It was an odd irony that UFO investigations were being hampered because some people’s belief in God meant that they either didn’t believe in the existence of extraterrestrial life or that they regarded UFOs and extraterrestrials as demonic."

https://metro.co.uk/2018/05/08/religious-pentagon-mod-officials-thought-ufos-demonic-divine-former-government-investigators-reveal-7529174/

jofo wrote:and if some alien civilization could endow humanity with awesome tech, why would they?  think about our own interactions; we observe ants, we don't try to teach them calculus.  only if we thought them worthy and capable would we do so.

This is such a lame argument and I keep hearing it over and over, and then somebody always shakes their head in agreement and says, "Yep."

The problem is that ants cannot communicate with humans and humans cannot communicate with ants. Further, there is no attempt by humans to communicate with ants, and no behavior from ants that is perceived as an attempt to communicate or a willingness to learn. If they could learn calculus, and wanted to know it, (and if i knew much about it), then I would teach them. If they wanted to learn something else in my field of expertise, then pull up a chair, my little ant friends!

If any of the theories that ME knows but is too tired to explain how he knows them other than reading the internet and regurgitating here, then the visitors CAN communicate with humans and know that AT LEAST SOME humans want to communicate with them and wish to learn. So fucking teach us then! And if you want knowledge that I have, then pull up a chair my little visitor friends! Lets make the world a little better than it was (which was already the best).

All of these issues you rightly point out Dan is why we can’t know all the picture, only how to paint on the canvas, know how fast paint dries, how many colors can we use, learn how to work with its elements.

From there, the rest will reveal itself is my experience.

What I and many others have painfully detailed out is a stopping of the conquering of the Cosmos and learning to flow with it subjectively.

People can learn to have a different kind of conversation through signs, spontaneous action and stillness.

How could there be any other way than stopping and accepting and flowing?

We aren’t going to get to a satisfying answer talking about it.

Direct experience is what is required here and anyone not directly tied into their center is not a factor, they are just scenery talking our their butts.

The question forever is how we should best live in a Cosmos we can only know through stillness and action not dominated by ego.

As far as I can see the formula hasn’t changed in 15k years to make a Human Being.

It takes conflict, desire, drive, stillness, etc. and maybe portals.

I think we are right on track.

This is the dissonance phase.

The doubt now here is delicious.

Things are ripe for a change.

Criteria for Personhood (According to Am. Philosopher Mary Ann Warren, all of these criteria together constitute 'personhood')
1. Consciousness
2. Reasoning
3. Self-motivated activity
4. Capacity to communicate
5. Self-Awareness

6. Farting

(otherwise smelly wouldn't have an existence)

My favorite pastime.

Sometimes they smell like flowers.

Rarely though.

"I can take about an hour on the flower of power,
As long as I get my little golden shower"

--Dancing Fool

DrZaius wrote:

jofo wrote:and if some alien civilization could endow humanity with awesome tech, why would they?  think about our own interactions; we observe ants, we don't try to teach them calculus.  only if we thought them worthy and capable would we do so.

This is such a lame argument and I keep hearing it over and over, and then somebody always shakes their head in agreement and says, "Yep."

The problem is that ants cannot communicate with humans and humans cannot communicate with ants.  Further, there is no attempt by humans to communicate with ants, and no behavior from ants that is perceived as an attempt to communicate or a willingness to learn.  If they could learn calculus, and wanted to know it, (and if i knew much about it), then I would teach them.  If they wanted to learn something else in my field of expertise, then pull up a chair, my little ant friends!

If any of the theories that ME knows but is too tired to explain how he knows them other than reading the internet and regurgitating here, then the visitors CAN communicate with humans and know that AT LEAST SOME humans want to communicate with them and wish to learn.  So fucking teach us then!  And if you want knowledge that I have, then pull up a chair my little visitor friends!  Lets make the world a little better than it was (which was already the best).

no, you wouldn't teach them, because they're just ants to you. but ants do communicate, in fact they have a very complex method to do so, almost telepathic, but you don't see them as worthy or capable, and therefore make no attempt to understand them. perhaps we just don't care to listen to ants, which might just be how an advanced species sees us. dogs don't speak, but we attempt (successfully) to communicate with them, only because it serves our own interest. perhaps aliens would do the same, and likely for the same reasons. none of it bodes well for you humans. visitors might not have any interest in making this world better, that's our task, and we do a shite job of it. seeking salvation within some alien mythology is a fools errand.

Joe's Garage

A boring old garage in a residential area with a teen-age band rehearsing in it. JOE (the main character in the CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER'S Special Presentation) sings to us of the trials and tribulations of garage-band husbandry...

[Intro: Central Scrutinizer & Joe]
We take you now, to a garage, in Canoga Park...
(It makes its own sauce...)

[Verse 1: Joe]
It wasn't very large
There was just enough room to cram the drums
In the corner over by the Dodge
It was a fifty-four
With a mashed up door
And a cheesy little amp
With a sign on the front said "Fender Champ"
And a second hand guitar
It was a Stratocaster with a whammy bar

[Liner Note 2]
At this point, LARRY (a guy who will eventually give up music and earn a respectable living as a roadie for a group called Toad-O) joins in the song...

[Chorus: Larry]
We could jam in Joe's Garage
His mama was screamin'
His dad was mad
We was playin' the same old song
In the afternoon 'n' sometimes we would
Play it all night long
It was all we knew, 'n' easy too
So we wouldn't get it wrong
All we did was bend the string like...

[Verse 2: Larry]
Hey!
Down in Joe's Garage
We didn't have no dope or LSD
But a coupla quarts'a beer
Would fix it so the intonation
Would not offend your ear
And the same old chords goin' over 'n' over
Became a symphony
We would play it again 'n' again 'n' again
Cause it sounded good to me
One more time!

[Chorus: Larry]
We could jam in Joe's Garage
His mama was screaming
"Turn it down!"
We was playing' the same old song
In the afternoon 'n' sometimes we would
Play it all night long
It was all we knew, and easy too
So we wouldn't get it wrong
Even if you played it on the saxophone

[Verse 3: Larry & Liner Note 3]
We thought we was pretty good
We talked about keepin' the band together
'N' we figured that we should
Cause about this time we was gettin' the eye
From the girls in the neighborhood
They'd all come over 'n' dance around
Like...
(Twenty teen-age girls dash
In and go STOMP-CLAP
STOMP-CLAP-CLAP...)
So we picked out a stupid name
Had some cards printed up for a couple 'a bucks
'N' we was on our way to fame
Got matching suits 'N' Beatle Boots
'N' a sign on the back of the car
'N' we was ready to work in a Go-Go bar

[Bridge]
One, two, three, four
Let's see if you got some more!

[Verse 4: Larry & Joe]
People seemed to like our song
They got up 'n' danced 'n' made a lotta noise
An' it wasn't 'fore very long
A guy from a company we can't name
Said we ought'a take his pen
'N' sign on the line for a real good time
But he didn't tell us when
These "good times" would be somethin'
That was really happenin'
So the band broke up
An' it looks like
We will never play again
Guess you only get one chance in life
To play a song that goes like...

[Liner Note 4]
*And, as the band plays their little song
MRS. BORG (who keeps her son SY
In the closet with the vacuum cleaner)
Screams out the window...*

[Bridge: Mrs. Borg]
Turn it down!
Turn it DOWN!
I have children sleeping here...
Don't you boys know any nice songs?

[Verse 5: Joe]
Well the years was rollin' by, yeah
Heavy Metal 'n' Glitter Rock
Had caught the public eye, yeah
Snotty boys with lipstick on
Was really flyin' high, yeah
'N' then they got that Disco thing
'N' New Wave came along
'N' all of a sudden I thought the time
Had come for that old song
We used to play in "Joe's Garage"
And if I am not wrong
You will soon be dancin' to the-

[Bridge: Central Scrutinizer]
The White Zone is for loading and unloading only
If you gotta load or unload, go to the White Zone

[Outro: Joe, Mrs. Borg & Officer Butzis]
Well the years was rollin' by
The years were rollin' by (I'm calling the police!)
The years were rollin' by
The years were rollin' by (I did it! They'll be here, shortly!)
The years were rollin' by (This is the police...)
(I'm not joking around anymore!)
The years was rollin' by (We have the garage surrounded)
(Give yourself up)
(We will not harm you, or hurt you neither)
The years were rollin' by
You'll see them, there they are, they're coming!)
(This is the police)
The years were rollin' by
(Give yourself up)
(We will not harm you)
(Listen to that mess, would you?)
(This is the police, give yourself up)
(We have the garage surrounded!)
(Everyday this goes on around here!)
The years were rollin' by
(We will not harm you, or maim you)
The years were rollin' by
(SWAT Team 4, move in!)
(He used to cut my grass! He was a very nice boy!)
(This is the police, come out with your hands up!)
(That's disgusting...)

[Outro: Central Scrutinizer]
This is the Central Scrutinizer...
That was Joe's first confrontation with "The Law"...
Naturally, we were easy on him
One of our friendly counsellors gave him a donut
And told him to stick closer
To church-oriented social activities...

So Personhood is the Katechon and it is the removal of the Katechon that will actuate an ELE (or in a religious context, will result in the Anti-Christ becoming fully manifested).

Fail DrZaius.

Point of fact, if you WATCH ants they are passively, actively, singley and corporately teaching you things and demonstrating many things.

The Taoists have studied life for all of recorded history.

The Cosmos has given us everything we need and martial arts was based on animals and insects.

And then there is something called the green language.

Friend, if you can’t see these things are communicating with you, well, shrug, you are blind.

You can’t read the signs unless you see everything as a sign talking to you.

Everything is communicating if you are listening and watching.

Come on man.

This is why we are doomed in the West

They can’t see anything.

An absolute dictatorship like Hitler, has the potential to strip away four of the criteria for personhood listed below.

Criteria for Personhood
1. Consciousness
2. Reasoning
3. Self-motivated activity
4. Capacity to communicate
5. Self-Awareness

In a One World Gov't, depopulation would be at the top of their agenda.

Yay Antichrist!

Now that is a mission I would gladly take on.

The greatest role of ALL time.

Silence of the Lams

And DrZaius, rocks and trees and plants are talking to us.

Oh my gosh.

DrZaius wrote:the visitors CAN communicate with humans and know that AT LEAST SOME humans want to communicate with them and wish to learn.  So fucking teach us then!  And if you want knowledge that I have, then pull up a chair my little visitor friends!  Lets make the world a little better than it was (which was already the best).

A lot of people claim they are communicating with, and being taught by, 'them'.

I agree the ant hill analogy isn't a good one, also because it presupposes a vast degree of difference between us and the 'visitors', when it might be very small.

Beings only decades or hundreds of years more technologically and/or spiritually developed, would probably find us much more interesting and worthy of engaging than beings thousands, millions or billions of years in advance.

Since other intelligences are engaging us, I think the odds are that they fall into that 'slightly advanced' category.

How about this.

The tech is irrelevant.

We have science and tech all wrong.

It is the spiritual connection that transcends all that.

It is that connection they seek to their source.

Perhaps they reach back through us and we jump up through them.

Since the Stone Age ended with metal, maybe our era ends with...take off?

Not in ships of metal, in ships of soul.

They form the ships through will.

And this is and always will be until the time we set sail, a ship of fools.

Just a thought.

Interesting ideas.

Sorry 99, look deeper.

What is matter, elements formed from organizations of atoms formed of particles.

I bet eventually we would see vibrating strings at the smallest resolution as predicted, or some other exotic thing.

Particles held together by forces.

The same forces that hold our star together.

What is tech, slowed down light.

I hate to be the broken record, but tech is irrelevant, it all boils down to what?

The monad, with light so pure it’s black.

No-thingness.

It is not nothing, it is ultimate potential.

You have to raise your vision above clay and blood or before it rather.

Or put your faith in light you can hold.

All the same stuff.

Your life is braided light spread across time.

Forever staining the surface of the Cosmos.

Imagine all the atoms of your body moving through time.

Dropping acid slows you down to the point you can feel yourself moving in time. You can slow it down to molasses.

You can get in between the ticks of time.

Acid is a portal.

A mirror reflecting what is in you.

Insects, ants and bees are an expression of reality, mirrors.

Humans are an expression of reality, mirrors.

Tech, an expression of reality, mirrors.

Those things are just expressions of light of varying intensities, sense data is not reality, only our filter of it.

You could be holding metal and it could really be a snake.

You don’t know what tech is.

I do.

It’s spiritual.

Tech and humans are just abstractions of the original.

Derivative.

I’m going to name drop.

Dan called me during my first acid trip.

I was like, god damn it, not called in months and now he calls!

I said go away and hung up.

It was the most amazingly fun time I ever had partying with the Cosmos.

It’s just a giant party of vibrations.

He couldn’t have known I prepared all week.

Then RIGHT after I shifted into some beautiful state of being, he called me.

I was like oh shit, who is Dan?

Is he God?

I seriously wondered.

Who knows what that was.

But that was tech perhaps of an order beyond our limited monkey minded understanding.

I had my miracle moments to hold onto here inspite of what is said or happens.

I know Magick is here.

We all have our story I’m sure.

All the chapters we each carry say something bigger maybe.

I’m learning to read that book.

It feels the natural thing to do.

I can see synchronicities are coded.

There is software running all of this.

It seems so ordinary if I see this a coded reality.

Boring.

Color. Light. Dancing. Music.

These are things that the Cosmos does.

The Magickal Mystery Tour

The abstractions make it fun.

Smelly

|How are the flowers this morning.. hope their blooming.. with all the sh*t..


Think I should apologize to Dan as one of the day trippers that hogged his BPW yesterday.

i would love to engage with Dan more but I'm not religious

plus half the time I'm looking up words i don't understand. Uneducated rif -raff Me


Sign

ME, don't you think you assume too much about our visitors? I know of your experiences, but your conclusion that since other intelligences are engaging us, that means odds are likely that they are only "slightly advanced" is a huge leap in logic. Some parts of their advanced anatomy or technology could be completely useless or unrecognizable  to Humanity, but it could be the opposite too. I'm just saying, speaking with certainty on this subject is tricky.

GrandCru wrote:ME, don't you think you assume too much about our visitors? I know of your experiences, but your conclusion that since other intelligences are engaging us, that means odds are likely that they are only "slightly advanced" is a huge leap in logic. Some parts of their advanced anatomy or technology could be completely useless or unrecognizable  to Humanity, but it could be the opposite too. I'm just saying, speaking with certainty on this subject is tricky.

Yep, you're right.

Nothing is certain, I love that about now.

OPPOSITION

If you haven’t attained the Way,
don’t admonish others. Don’t
waste time blaming yourself,
either. Just attain the Way.

— Wei Wu Wei

Just attain the Way.

Not a religious or philosophical view.

Just do it.

Not an admonishment from me, an encouragement.

I am getting so many signs I can’t see straight.

Everything is singing!

“Patience, and shuffle the cards.” — Cervantes

—

Driving to work today and just saw this out of no where in my mind...

I saw all human lives, from all of history, falling as book pages through the pregnant moment.

Then I saw all the pages combine into a book called “The Book” fall on a table...”A Human Tale”

Great start to a kids story.