Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

First topic message reminder :

Dan,

I had no previous knowledge of, or intent to achieve that which occurred.

I climbed on top of a portal chamber (hence My interest in anything portal related) to photograph a crop circle adjacent....
When this reality went and I tripped across into the most fabulous none physical dimension of indescribeable Mandelbrot scene with sounds not of this world.
My physical suddenly began to be upset as I didn't exist, or the earth below.
I was still wondering and asking who are You to my physical entity when a third Me began talking and telling me to be calm and repeat what ever it told Me, which was it was Me from 5D.

I had lots explained, but can only recall that which I repeated .
All of this time My physical entity was really quite funny telling the other two to shut up and it wanted to be back in 3D.

My higher self ( in 5d) is that called father.
My 3D self ( physical) is Earth to be.
My 4D self is ( consciousness) spirit, as such.

I didn't want to return , the love is immense.

hobbit

Human Beings have a profound desire to know something fundamental, something basic. Intellectually, we just can’t quite work it out, but if you consider yourself in time intuitively, you can tune into before thought and feeling, real time.

Time is impermanence always arising now.

Finally, sooner or later, we want to know what the body and mind are beyond feelings and thoughts.

This is final participation.

It’s here now always for anyone.

No one knows your experience now, there is no plan or religion or higharchy.

All of that is nothing next to being here fully in time. Time connects us to everything that ever was or will be, but there is always only now. It is not flowing. No one or thing objectively made any of this. Impermanence interpenetrates us, everything.

Then a Realization comes that you are here now and your life is worth living and you are grateful to be here alive, though no one can be thanked but your self.

No attachments are possible in impermanence, in time, to do so is to suffer.

This Now is wonderful and full and complete and nothing else is needed.

Peace.

Chickens!
I LOVE CHICKENS...&
"They"...love me.



& they are VERY conscious by the way Dan...(wink)

From: Dan
Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: Your Misson
To: Ron
Cc: John, Kevin Princess

Wait a minute, sports fans,

I don’t know what mission is being referred to here.  

If I cannot be informed about a  mission then I cannot very well approve of said mission.  

This is nothing unusual.  

However, if the mission relates to disclosure, then, presumably, I would have a need to know.

If not, perhaps I’m on the wrong team.  

I am only having increasing difficulties with the attempt to mix capitalism and disclosure


On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 3:13 PM Ron wrote:
Hi Dan,

Unfortunately John did not approve you for the mission, so we cannot provide details.

Thanks

Ron

As to Foot’s post, last night, he seems to agree that whatever the mission was, it was ill-conceived.  


8:10(forum time = GMT -4?)

I have warned Grant to be very cautious when speaking of the situation in Utah and Colorado, due to its increasing fluidity.  Grant will be addressing the Ozark ufo conference this evening.  


9:30........

My recommendation to Joe and his stakeholders is to convert their operation to a charity.  

This will go against the Mormon entrepreneurial grain.  

This became especially clear to me yesterday when a potential investor, KI, called me three times for investment advice.  


10:30(gmt-4).........

Basically, we have capitalism, socialism and communalism.  

As presently conceived, capitalism adheres more to personalism than does socialism.  

Communalism has always existed. Originally, it was indistinguishable from tribalism.

Socialism is an ill-conceived attempt at final participation. It was conceived of dialectal materialism, which is an oxymoron, in itself.




(cont.......)

The Little Chicken has no respect for the Hen, who he keeps all day locked up in the Pen. But the World is not Real beyond the Pen, so the Little Chicken is really a Wren, and the Hen is with all the real Men.

Ahaha!
That's the "experimental" poetry of life!

But WILL failures with some, lead to successes with others?

I wish I knew.....

All chickens should be FREE RANGE.

Signman

When one wanders along the supermarche aisles, one wonders how any chickens survive.
Chicken burgers.
Chicken sausages.
Chicken casserole.
Chicken thighs.
Chicken curry.
Chicken wings.


Poor little sods?

Who'd be a chicken?

"Tastes like chicken"

Who said that?

hobbit

Unfortunately we are the Battery Chickens Fed the S**t

I wounder how many of us will survive once the Illuminati have  finished

Signman

Hobbit, don't forget the 5-10% of chickens that get pecked to death, trampled, or just fall off the truck.

I'm here to report that Grant's presentation was fantastic. Was anyone else there?

edit:. It looks like Dr. Sagan agrees with Dan.

https://www.brainpickings.org/2018/04/05/carl-sagan-jonathan-cott-rolling-stone-interview/?utm_source=pocket&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=pockethits

I would say that most of Disclosure is already behind us.  Folks who actively need to know the score, they already know it.  Curiosity seekers....... day trippers...... that won’t change, either.  

Folks don’t daydream outside their comfort zone.  

There are a lot of dots to connect.  It takes a lot of attention.   Who’s got that, these days?  

This is the BPW, whether we know, or whether we care.  The grass keeps growing.  

We’ve all, already been saved.  Get over it, get used to it.  

Our fertilities and mortalities will continue declining.  

We will continue to observe changes in consciousness, if we choose to.

We progress into our final participation...... too slowly to observe, unless you are paying special attention.  

Recalcitrants can more easily be read the riot act.  They will mend their ways.  

The WoM/MoAPS will continue at the best possible pace.  Salt lake moves on to Colorado.  

Will there be a straw that breaks the camel’s back?  Take pity on the poor camel.  

The DonKims of the world will have their last hurrah.  The world will stifle a yawn, and move on to the things that matter.  

I continue to be impressed.  Most of the stuff surpasses imagination.  I can learn more from the little one in five minutes, than I’ve learned in a life time.  So what else is new?  

Am I a lucky one?  Just ask smelly.  He can easily persuade you otherwise.  Can’t you, smelly?  

Yesterday, I had my first exposure to augmented reality, gratis KWF.  It will be up on the Princess’ site, soon, thanks to one of her creative teams of volunteers.  The real thing is not that much different, or so I’m told.  

If you have patience, you’ll be rewarded by checking out the KWF site...... brought to you by dedicated interns.  

How does the queen bee have time to manage so much stuff?  That’s the real miracle.  The other side?  It’s all just in a day’s work.  She would not miss one minute of it all, not for the world.  The goddaughter..... is a firecracker, of course...... just ask her teachers.  God and the devil are in the details.  If you have to ask which is which, ask smelly.  He’ll set you straight.  


12:10........

Grant’s presentation in the Ozarks was not to be missed, I’m told. Did he sink any ships? Hey, we’re still afloat, aren’t we? They’re two teams in the running, and the first team doesn’t really count, does it? And the second team...... no one’s heard about it, except from Grant. Sounds good to me.

The orbs by the lake.....? They’ll mind their business, if we mind ours. Just don’t forget, we’ve already been saved, whether we like it or not.



(cont......)

Personally, I have found a wonderful peace.

I only had to let go my ignorance and understanding.

I wish that for all.

Compassion and kindness are good things.

But not attaching to life or death is nirvana.

Final participation.

We can’t normally feel time unless we are paying close attention.

There comes a time when we want to know what’s before our thoughts and feelings.

Take the time to learn what it means to say I AM ME.

You will not be fine.

You were born, and you are going to die.

It happens

Meet and get to know your Self as the Time Being.

Anything you can learn now is impermanent.

Time is change.

smelly sure knows how to keep it in perspective........

Will we someday be able to travel back and forth through a portal into another realm via technology built  with the assistance of those intelligences that dwell across the threshold?

On my end, it's difficult to contemplate such a feat without at least leaving my mind open to that being a very distinct and substantive possibility.

But before that can happen, there will have to be those who can communicate to those intelligences in the first place. In fact, that too can be improved via technology built with their assistance so that those who do not posssess their own natural abilities and connections to receive information from them will be able receive information from them too through that communication device.

Building a portal device is putting the cart before the horse because before that even happens, there would have to be a universal communication device between us and 'them'.

If we can't even build something like that, which would be the first step in the process, how can we expect to build a portal/stargate-like device to travel back and forth between realms?

The fact is, there's a loooong list of things  that must be accomplished before we ever get to that point in the game.

First things first... there must be a clear receiver who can make those initial connections with those facilitators in the unseen world. We will know who those receivers are, by their fruits and not by their mere words no matter how good they sound on paper. Anybody can do that but, and there are a number of those ones out there too... but, as always, the proof is in the pudding.... Words and unsupported claims mean nothing... absolutely NOTHING.

Should those REAL receivers come forward, they will need to be protected in untold ways from not only professional skeptics but also those lesser receivers and charlatans who can't do what they do and who will attack and debunk them to maintain the false status quo in this area that currently exists... especially online.

For me it’s quite funny to consider a physical device that facilitates what I have babbled about here for years.

No device was needed to learn that life is Change and I can’t hold onto anything.

But meaning is relative in this imperment place.

So who can you meet through a portal?

Always only your self.

My view anyway.

I certainly don’t criticize anyone for their seeking for meaning in their lives.

I know one kind of seeking will never resolve anything, but people can have at it, Objectification is a dead end.

One must dive into life and their science.

I can only point out subjective seeking is closer to the center.

Ha, ha.... it won't be just a physical device... rest assured. It will be something much more than that.

99,

You might be right.  Certainly, Aliyah and Ron have a focus on technology.  Some was demonstrated to me, yesterday.  There have been alleged to be technology transfers, as with the goodie bag.  

Many here, and throughout the field, have science backgrounds.  

There certainly is channeling, of various sorts.

I have to agree with smelly to a considerable degree...... our communications with the other side tend to be very general and/or very subjective.  

The other side is not organized in space and time, anything like ours is.  The hive is not a world, in other words.  


3:20.........

Isaac,

Mission, mission, who’s got the mission?  

There is an ostensible disclosure mission.  On occasion, it has been stated that I was in charge of that.  

We can play pretend, if you like.  

There may be another side which is structured very unlike this side.  

Communications between sides are likely to be problematic, at best.  

There are messengers that come over.  I pretend to be of that sort, not by any sanctioned means, but simply by the luck of the draw.  

I have two messages, which are the same.......

1.)  All we are saved.  

2.)  The Truth is coherent, to each and everyone, of us.  

That’s all she wrote.  

If you’re patient, you can work it out by yourself, with a pencil.  

That’s all that I claim to have done, over forty years.  That was my homework assignment.  I keep asking folks to check it over.  

smelly has a similar thesis.  They are structured very differently, but see if you can find any contradictions.  I have struggled to, haven’t I, smelly?  



(cont.......)

"Where is this mission going?". Indeed.

A question posted in relation to "Chicken Little" in the Spring 1976 issue of the "Ufology" journal, which could equally be posed in relation to all of this today...

Reason and intuition may yet be friends.

In the end of searching, you find you are what you were seeking and then things become very simple.

There are points that experience goes beyond reason and conceptual thinking, Dan does not go beyond this point as far as I can tell, much.

How can anyone limit experience by simply what is collectively understood, they can’t really, but you are on your own out past the social markers of reason and logic.

How do I cover karma, you reap what you sew, always, period, can’t cheat.

How about life after death? Cut it out of your mind, not your problem or knowable by you or anyone else, period.

So that leaves us with always changing life in time.

You can hold onto science and hide there mostly in this world, but that is only half of it.

You can’t attach to anything really or you will suffer.

Life is suffering too.

What about the half of life that only you can experience and know about your Self?

And that is, that you are enough and have all you need at this very instant to live a life.

I don’t what that means really and neither does anyone.

You were born to live and die it seems, the rest we make up.

How’s that going for you?

I’m having a hell of a time, but it took half my life to get to my true will and know I can have the best possible experience now here as my Self.

Self is before concepts and feelings.

I could draw it out, write a book or argue with people.

I like just saying this out loud where I speak publicly.

Let the chips fall where they may.

I know most people are scared and making their life up as they go.

When we are less fearful, things will improve.

There is no fear here, just a knowing of life and one day death.

Did I mention a savior or a god or or science or angels or daimons to know what my life means?

I don’t need a priest or scientist to know what life is.

We don’t need any of that anymore, never did really, just what happened.

Chuck those concepts, at least while you are half scared of life, they will return later when you are floating free of fear.

Enlightenment is the greatest puzzle. It was birthed from Husmn experience and after my testing, it’s a real process and it’s not something you achieve at all.

I have loved fleshing it out and realizing what it means, but others have seen IT and killed themselves, that’s stupid.

So do you need anything Dan or anyone is offering?

No.

You need to listen to your connection to Truth, it is self evident and only inside you and that’s the real gift, Awareness, a curse for some, peace and joy to me.

smelly wrote:Reason and intuition may yet be friends.
How about life after death? Cut it out of your mind, not your problem or knowable by you or anyone else, period.

Well, some people involved in ufo research have also been involved in research into life after death and other issues regarding consciousness. Some think that that life after _is_ knowable.

Bigelow had an interest in research into life after death, mediums etc (in addition to his interest in ufology).

Joe F may also have a belief in the afterlife. Dan may know about Joe's beliefs and whether they connect with his views on portals.

This is where smelly and I disagree.  We, all, are social animals.  smelly disagrees.  smelly is a rock.  smelly is an island.  I’m not.  

I’m here to argue truth.  smelly rarely argues.  Truth is a social process.  smelly forgoes the process.  Much of what he says may be true, but it is spoken as if from a mountain.  I hope that others also find it useful.  There is complementarity between us.


Isaac,

To my understanding, the existence of portals tends to demonstrate that reality is not objective..... it is relational.  To exist is to relate.  I don’t think smelly understands this.  In as much as something appears objective it is an illusion.  

If life is an illusion, then so is death.  Portals demonstrate this.  With portals, we get to experience the other side of our illusions.  

What is most real is most related.  Love and God come to mind.  


Joe, by the lake, is an example of the many folks who will feel threatened by relational existence. It is a notion that is at odds with much of capitalism. It is not conducive to investing in material growth.

Capitalism has brought us to the cusp between material and spiritual growth. Transportation is mainly for material growth. Communications has more to do with the spiritual. Many investors in the ideas of fringe physics, are investing in propulsion. I am unable to lend credence to that hope. This puts me at odds with Joe. His theories may be correct. Mine may be wrong. Joe, like smelly, is not into argumentation, unfortunately.


(cont......)

[If life is an illusion, then so is death. Portals demonstrate this. With portals, we get to experience the other side of our illusions.] ~ dan


I would also add that new 'templates', that reflect our collective consciousness at any given time on many different levels are added on a continuous basis. I mean, I don't know that with any certainty but if I were to find out that it's true, then it wouldn't surprise me.

99,

Portals are the doors of perception...... doors into our personal and collective unconscious.   Creation is the ‘physical’ manifestation of the collectivity.  A manifestation mediated by the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematical logic.

smelly, at least on the forum, is an avatar of the Monad, which may be likened unto an island, in its splendid isolation. It may be isolated consciously, but the other side of the Monad is Creation. smelly holds you and me, sister, in his hands.



(cont........)

When will i be able to go through a "portal" instead of reading about them online. Or are they not actually physical doorways like i would imagine.

Isaac, do you need a life after death to make life meaningful for you?

No no no no you don’t.

It’s best to drop life after death and live life now.

You can’t know until you die, so maybe we can relax

Many people will lose their meaning of life if they lose god, the Devil, heaven and hell. They will likely suicide.

Stupid monkeys.

Then that’s what happens, hope it doesn’t, but we are that confused as monkeys hardly down out of the trees and now we are talking about eternity?!

Nope, drop it

Snarff, you are in a portal right now.