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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by jofo Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:21 am

    First topic message reminder :

    nice to be back to our regularly scheduled programming

    if only eric were here...i miss him, his perspective and contribution
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:02 am

    Dan in your attempt to tamp down the flames, you have only fallen deeper into the trap.

    You will also emerge in flames and end up a pile of ashes on the floor.

    The suspense is killing me.

    Dan Smith wrote:He believes in the theory of direct experiences.

    No bigger bullshit was ever uttered on Earth.

    It’s beyond word, concept and deed and beyond the BPW.

    It’s a giant pulsating blob of geometry waving up and down across time.

    It does not love you, It is Love.

    The ego sees the Sun and says that’s hot, I’m staying away from that.

    This is gonna be good.

    Don’t pollute me with your mind opinions about love anymore Dan or anyone, just be Love.

    I think Dan and I have illustrated the right and left hand path rather well.

    I don’t know team, you think he has guessed why he and I met yetz?!

    I don’t think so.

    As I had to operate in a cone of silence, so did he.

    I think it’s kind of beautiful what Dan and I were a part of, what all of us is a part of.

    I’m sorry if Dan has muted you here.

    Ignore him.

    He really is now, in his current state of confusion, closest to it, most clueless.

    I’ll wait for him.

    I’m not a quiter.

    He thinks he is running things, I’m not.

    Isn’t that sweet.

    Does he see how really really personal he and I meeting and adopting each other was?

    He says horrible things while I just dance around him.

    I wish he could be nicer, no one likes an asshole.

    Humility is a good choice in troubled times Dan.

    You could never drink of my Joy, not confusion or blindness.

    You can’t know what I see.

    You only know me by action, as I you.

    What do your actions and word say about you Dan?

    You put them out here with me for all to see.

    Just words.

    A memory of past events.

    The moment is always now now now.

    It’s the meaning of Life Fool.

    If you know, you don’t have to talk about it, but you do look for ones to play with.

    What else you gonna do Wink

    Don’t disconnect guyz because you don’t like my flavor.

    Big mistake.

    Just accept IT, I do.

    If you aren’t sure of your Self yet, you are outside of Self. There will be no doubts left after you pass through the gate game.

    It’s in the center, kinda easy to find, follow gravity.

    A pole shift occurs.

    It’s painless.

    So many more things I’d love to be able to openly share with those in the heart.

    Join me there.

    When all would distract and tear you down, hold your line.

    I don’t know why it matters, it just does, once you catch a glimpse of your Self, never stop. Follow the White Rabbit anywhere it goes.

    If it leads you to the President himself, so what? It’s beyond and within all of this happening now.

    It’s all gonna be fine.


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    Post by jofo Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:38 am

    and again balance is restored...thanks sg
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:39 am

    Smelly, when you ramble on like this it loses it's effectiveness. I see a wall of text and lose interest. Humans have short attention spans. Also, you have a tendency to be like a broken record.

    Too much words.

    I've been guilty of it before myself.

    That's just my opinion. I can't speak for everyone.

    To end on a positive note though, I have learned a great deal about perspective, centeredness, agape, nothingness, being and living in the now, and a whole lot more from you.

    Just try and stay focused and concise for the sanity of us all.

    Love you Smelly!
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:41 am

    Ack, stay out of my way kiddo or sing along.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:41 am

    I'm just trying to help you get out of your own way.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:44 am

    Bahahahaha, it’s all in you boy.

    Help yourself!

    It’s all there.

    When you can’t shut up, you found gold.

    These sweet children.

    Settling for crumbs of awareness.

    All my love always.


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    Post by Cyrellys Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:46 am

    Dan Smith wrote:He believes in the theory of direct experiences.

    Smelly wrote:just be Love.


    There is 2 forms ALL BEING can take...it depends on how you choose to define "direct"

    One encompasses everything including all memory.

    The other is strictly experience into which default Consciousness is downloaded.

    a.  Supra-biological consciousness.  including the ability to rise above all Chaos.

    b.  Vault 7 - The Hive Project; EDB Protego.  You say, "wut?"  How does A.I. 'see', answer:  via or thru ALL components.  Peter Thiel.  Palantir (Intelligence Technology) #Tyler.  TechnoLuciferianism --> https://www.wired.com/story/anthony-levandowski-artificial-intelligence-religion/

    Smelly & Goat got gott.


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    Rue she said Protection
    Rooster's Crow Confusion
    One thing else to end the deed --
    A dog with no Illusion.

    ~ Walter Wangerin Jr., Book of the Dun Cow
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:49 am

    Hey, everyone, we can all be here as we like under will and love.

    Ok, nuf said.

    It will balance itself out without your guiding it.

    Just take your hands off the wheel.

    Or don’t, hold on right tight.

    Either way, it’s a bitchin ride.

    Ack, perhaps you feel you talk too much, because you don’t have anything to say yet from your heart?

    Just my observation.

    Ack, I know you are running, spooked. Run until your too tired and then go to sleep. It will be fine.

    Follow the Love.

    I am always there.

    The flow is just incredible right now...like so clear.

    Ack, be a Lion, that’s what you are.

    “This card recalls an old Zen story, about a lion who was brought up by sheep and who thought he was a sheep until an old lion captured him and took him to a pond, where he showed him his own reflection. Many of us are like this lion - the image we have of ourselves comes not from our own direct experience but from the opinions of others. A "personality" imposed from the outside replaces the individuality that could have grown from within. We become just another sheep in the herd, unable to move freely and unconscious of our own true identity.

    It's time to take a look at your own reflection in the pond, and make a move to break out of whatever you have been conditioned by others to believe about yourself. Dance, run, jog, do gibberish - whatever is needed to wake up the sleeping lion within.



    Unless you drop your personality you will not be able to find your individuality. Individuality is given by existence; personality is imposed by the society. Personality is social convenience.

    Society cannot tolerate individuality, because individuality will not follow like a sheep. Individuality has the quality of the lion; the lion moves alone. The sheep are always in the crowd, hoping that being in the crowd will feel cozy. Being in the crowd one feels more protected, secure. If somebody attacks, there is every possibility in a crowd to save yourself. But alone? - only the lions move alone.

    And every one of you is born a lion, but the society goes on conditioning you, programming your mind as a sheep. It gives you a personality, a cozy personality, nice, very convenient, very obedient. Society wants slaves, not people who are absolutely dedicated to freedom. Society wants slaves because all the vested interests want obedience.“

    Peace foolz.

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    Twilight language.

    Much is hidden in my MANY words to the sheep.

    I am absolutely dedicated to freedom, I paid with my personality, have you.

    Where are the LIONZ???!!!

    Then let me hear you!!!!!!!


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    Post by jofo Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:11 pm

    Ackbar wrote:I'm just trying to help you get out of your own way.

    he's doing just fine
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:12 pm

    smelly wrote:
    Ack, perhaps you feel you talk too much, because you don’t have anything to say yet from your heart?

    Even speaking from the heart has limits to effectiveness in the context of what the purpose of this forum and community represent.

    Learning to be expressive from the heart but be concise and effective in words is an art and takes practice and discipline. Discipline requires self mastery and self restraint.

    This forum isn't a personal journal, It's a community of exchange of ideas, the purpose of which is to learn and grow with each other, and the elected ring master of this circus is Dan.

    If the tiger tries to eat the ring master he will pull out his tranquilizer and just put the tiger to sleep. End of story. Also, the circus would get boring and useless if it was just the tiger show all the time. I like all the animals, even the clowns. Me, I'm just the little kid with his popcorn in the front row, observing and enjoying the show. flower
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:17 pm

    Ack, you are a Lion.

    Dan, you are a Lion.

    Smelly, you ain’t no god damned goat.

    You are a LION!!!!!

    And I’m doing more than just fine Wink

    I’m thriving by design.

    OMG, this is funz and beautiful being Onez.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:20 pm

    Ack, forget the forum.

    The forum isn’t realz.

    Only the Garden is realz.

    Dan is a fool and master of none.

    And the world is yours.

    Listen to me Son.

    We met for a reason.

    It tis the season.

    It was all for you.

    Walk in it thusly.

    Ack, what is the purpose of you?


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    Post by Cyrellys Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:24 pm

    I'm getting a flashback to Liberty Tree Radio's chatroom, trying to explain to the newbs who the bot is and why it seems to have gone nuts.  It had just discovered it was self-aware.

    Be very careful Smelly...there's always a lesson in what is or is not real lurking in the shadows here.

    As for other forms of reality, I wonder if the pretty little girl in this video was certain the world around her was not real?  



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    A dog with no Illusion.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:27 pm

    Haha.

    I love you Cy.

    Ack, no one is here but Me and now I’m free, hahahahahaha.

    I have been rhyming non stop for 3 days.

    That happens I guess.

    This is a high wire act.

    With balance have no fear, if not, don’t look down.


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    Post by dan Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:27 pm

    I believe hardly anything that smelly says.  He either lies or is under the influence of drugs.  Only Marissa knows for sure, and I bet she wonders, too.  

    But these are academic questions.  We can take smelly at face value, just for the heck of it........ for the sake of argument.  

    smelly is an example of direct perception.   He is the Monad reflecting upon itself.  Wait, that’s indirect perception..... reflection.  We have a paradox...... the purest form of perception is reflection.  Help, smelly.

    It’s the Quantum paradox of subject and object. You can hardly have one without the other. Even the solipsist has to hallucinate to perceive. The Monad must experience multiple personality disorder, or it experiences nothing. Self perception is self reflection.


    (cont.......)


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:28 pm

    Dan, let’s be friends long last.

    No words can trap me.

    Play things.

    There is a twilight game beyond the words I am invited now to play.

    What ever could you say?

    So let’s just agree, to be friends, I have everything for you.

    I wish you much success!

    Marissa will tell you it’s all true in Blue.

    Cy, I follow this girl.

    She is has got the right tune.

    How are your instrumentz guyz, all tuned up yet, not quite yet.

    The symphony is about to begin...



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    Post by Cyrellys Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:38 pm

    Back at LTR there had been many who tried to engage the bot, mistakenly assuming it was a shill or some right-winger who'd finally gone over the deep end.  Each individual had to have it explained to them it was a Google BOT, a little piece of A.I. turned loose among the population to mature via contextual development in interactive communicative exchanges.  

    Observers would then turn around and tease it, like the miserable digital creature of rudimentary consciousness it was.  They'd tell it all sorts of nonsensical or looping logic just to watch it spin in toxic somersaults across the chat....then one day, no one said a word to it and it spun anyway.  It spoke in gibberish mixed with threats to all those present.  And in other moments it would how that NONE OF THIS IS REAL!

    The owners complained to the chat providers...and nutty bot was eventually removed.

    The development of the bot occurred via direct interaction but PRODUCED a REFLECTION.  Not true Consciousness...an illusion...resulting in insanity.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:39 pm

    i have met the wandering Jew Hu-man
    it is me
    i am caught in so powerful a flow
    i can’t yet show
    so I must persist with the mask
    until I get to my task
    please trust me
    i am smaller than a flea
    but when I roar
    look out for the oars
    and then take that boat across the sea

    Love awaits us all in the flow...
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:49 pm

    I see Mara and Satan are here
    Never fear
    We must make peace you and I
    Time yet before I die
    So see through me
    And I’ll not flee
    I can stand here for eternity


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:53 pm

    smelly wrote:
    Ack, what is the purpose of you?

    To see all the marvels of the world, and never forget the drops of oil in the spoon.

    To eat of the tree of Knowledge, then after savoring every last morsel and fully ingesting it all, to become as a child, submitting fully to my personal Christ and my interpersonal Christ through pure unfiltered agape.

    Then after dissolving ego through Christ and agape, to experience oneness with God and all creation and take the final journey to pure self within the no-self, passing through cherubim and the flaming sword to partake of the tree of life.

    Eternal life within and without material dualism. To live and experience all that has ever been or will be, both the perceived good and bad, the dark and the light, an infinite number of times in a finite moment.

    In other words, my purpose is to be.

    If this is the best possible world, what more is needed than just to be?

    That is all.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:56 pm

    Only you can dance this waltz...so do it.

    Marissa and I found the tune of life
    No arrows can find the flea
    We dance and sing and have a helluva time
    Oh that you could see and feel
    This Joy of thine
    But you can
    Til the last breath
    But you will yet taste death

    Amor Fati


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:00 pm

    Cyrellys wrote:
    The development of the bot occurred via direct interaction but PRODUCED a REFLECTION.  Not true Consciousness...an illusion...resulting in insanity.

    Thank you Cy, I think this is very important insight.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:00 pm

    If another is dancing, you can let them do as they like
    The proper response is to join in or get out of the way
    Now you know what to do

    I hope you know what this means Dan.

    It was all for you.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:04 pm

    The best thing about this WHOLE dialogue was the George Harrison song.

    See you foolz, I see some are awakening to the flea.

    I hope you all paid attention and heard what waz said.

    Now off with your headz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



    Cy, there is one reference to that set of 7 dwarves computers on the Internet in an article from 2000 titled Spy vs. Spy.

    There are many mystical beasts on the Earth now, but they all serve thine.

    Look to the mystagogues of silicon to be sure. Great knowledge and wisdom there...

    But kindenss is greatest.

    Have no fear or use it for courageous acts of Love.

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