With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
Your material monists have the right telescope, but the wrong religion. They just need to turn the telescope around, to see who’s actually in charge. And then who died, and left us in charge...... I wonder....... and who wrote the book of love........ I wonder.......
And who had to die so that ‘Suzy Wong’, intercontinental, jet setting intelligence agent, complete with a midwestern twang, could come blowing in, an hour late, to our sleepy little green forum meeting, trench coat and...... and what else, Ron wanted to know?
Speaking of unexpected guests, it seems that Donald is getting bored and wants back into the grove. Hey, we may be number 48 in education, but, by golly, we’re gonna be number one in portals. (Correction:::: (@6:30est) it’s Don not Donald who is going to the grove. Donald maybe going to the Winter Olympics in SK. Kim JU has challenged Donald to an arm wrestling match...... ) ( and by the way, ‘Suzy’ is part Korean, and her name is Kimberly B)
Does global intelligence finally meet cosmic intelligence?
Spectacular though her entrance was, ‘Suzy’s’ exit was even more intriguing...... so much had she blended into the forum that it was completely invisible. Hmmm........
And how is our other guest, out by the Lake? Is he still fighting off those snow-shoe hares? It seems that he has graduated from Princess’ basement to the library of Enoch and Moroni. Ok.
To Jack Sarfatti.......
On Jan 25, 2018, at 3:25 PM, Ronald wrote:
Watch out! Dan is up to no good again.
Has there ever been higher praise? I ask you.
What else is new........?
So, is there a pattern emerging.....?
Are we seeing the emergence of the best possible portal disclosure scheme? Maybe, olympic fans. Hey, Donald meets Kim at the end of portal38. Or is that an onrushing train?
We’re definitely getting into A-C territory, here, dontcha think..... babalon working, and all.
(cont.......)
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You and Kermit triggered a synchronistic flow for me this morning Dan. Might not make sense, but here goes.
If you will give me a little slack here to explore it, I think it’s relevant, in fact I know it is.
I believe Pan contacted me in the way Pan will do, on the wind. I have had a lot of contact with this energy, we all have. The Eye of Pan is looking at us.
Pan is the Sun God. I lean atheist these days until I have better info, but I can look up at The Sun and say, that is God.
If you look at Pan, Nature, he will look back. He has looked through me somehow and I was changed. I do not know this stuff, it came to me, an innocent.
The synchronicity, last night I was watching the antiques road show and the only session I watched was on Pan and a statue a South American had made of Pan.
Too funny. I really love how the wind talks to us.
The Fool is airy; spiritual, good vibe person, happy, innocent, but they can have little money and resources and poor health, both true for me. They can be vague and undependable, clumsy.
Through my progression through the Tarot, I have found and developed many new skills and knowledge.
A Magician in the Tarot sense is a carefree person who has just enough interest to perform miracles.
Finally, through Dan, I was given some insight into what I have shifted into. I see everything that happens now as contact and communication from Pan, The Green Dragon.
I have taken the Oath of the Abyss and I didn’t even know it.
Dan has given us some clues maybe.
Order of the Green Dragon, Asian in origin with Nazi ties.
I’m not sure if Dan was meaning this group, but it’s all connected obviously in the rabbit hole.
Today I saw a raven flying over my truck on the way to work. Message. Obviously a sign. The Gods are the deep unconscious things within us. This is the dance you can have with them.
It takes no belief, it takes awareness and action.
I share all this to give you a glimpse into my process.
It’s crazy paranoid stuff or it’s the secret to everything, guess what I vote? I have faithfully shared my journey over the abyss with the world spontaneously and nothing less.
I have done my own working in a way, The Green Working I guess. I eleminated the fluff and extra stuff religion has heaped on us, bullshit, in sharing my account of a journey over the Abyss. No middle man, no religion, raw reality.
What a trip to align yourself with your true will, know what I mean jellybeans.
Fascinating stuff Dan, feel free to elaborate, but what are you up to Dan, you never struck me as a Green Man.
I use logic and reason to polish myself, but logic and reason don’t lead, Magick does.
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Man o man. Anyone serious about any of this better read this.
Check out the last section on Babalon, the priestess of the irrational.
Is this the Princess?
Beware those would coop what is happening not prepared, you will be utterly destroyed if you have not prepared yourself to hold the Sword of Freedom. I can get behind Jack Parsons on this.
I think I hit a spring. These people don't advertise, you have to find the door and knock 3 times, haha.
DAIMON: The Heart girt with a serpent is my name.
The TRUE PATH from beginning to end is clearly marked.
The whole man is a seven fold organism.
The Supreme Secret of all practical magic is known to every true Master.
There are 3 crises needed to be faced, I will not expand on any of this, it's your journey, you go knock on the door if you feel so led. A hint, remember this is the Castle of Signs and Symbols you live in now
1) The Attainment of knowledge and conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel or central Daimon wrapped around your heart. There is a Daimon girt around your heart. This is your Magnum Opus. You learn how to make true gold with the Philosopher's Stone. But the occult guardians block and obfuscate the WAY, beware, they will eat you.
Remember, the Obstacle is the Way. There is someone within us more advanced, smarter with knowledge you don't have. Meet them, don't be afraid. I don't know how, but its true and comes in many forms.
You must meet the Dweller on the Threshold
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I'm a dweller on the threshold And I'm waiting at the door And I'm standing in the darkness I don't want to wait no more
I'm gonna turn and face the music The music of the spheres Lift me up consume my darkness When the midnight disappears
I will walk out of the darkness And I'll walk into the light And I'll sing the song of ages And the dawn will end the night
I'm a dweller on the threshold And I'm waiting at the door And I'm standing in the darkness I don't want to wait no more
I'm a dweller on the threshold And I cross some burning ground And I'll go down to the water Let the great illusion drown
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You will discover the other 2 crises if you want to find what is waiting for you if you feel so led.
OK, I delivered the message, let's see what happens smelly.
"These are the days by the sparkling river His timely grace and our treasured find This is the love of the one great magician Turned the water into wine
These are the days now that we must savor And we must enjoy as we can These are the days that will last forever You've got to hold them in your heart."
-- Van Morrison
I'll give Dan, Jesus cracked our hearts, whoever he was, he was a great Mage and I know him well as myself, where before we had cracked our minds.
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The Fool embodies whirling wind blowing between worlds. The Fool is pure existence, without substance or form. This spirit falls into the abyss of mortality. This spirit becomes all that is, seems locked into form. Yet this one being rises freely back to the silence of formlessness. The wandering Fool is like a spinning dust-devil that comes from no visible place, assumes a cloud of matter and then vanishes back into the unknown. All other Tarot cards are images frozen in time of the whirling Fool that is beyond time. When the Fool rules the world, he is the Emperor. When the Fool sits alone in thought, she is the High Priestess. When the Fool is terror and explosion, – that is the Tower.
Before becoming the Magician, the Fool is a breeze blowing in light gusts everywhere in space. When the Fool becomes the Magician, the breeze becomes a whirlwind of concentrated force. When glazed, absent-minded eyes become suddenly bright and hawk-like, the Magician wakens.
Look at the picture on the Magician card. Imagine yourself as the magician. Your right hand rises to receive a ray of warm and brilliant light. The light travels through you, influenced by your mind. Power issues from your left hand and the world is molded in the image of your thoughts.
All are bound in the oneness of the Fool. The Fool is bound by no-thing.
I have tested these and found them to be true principles.
TO KNOW, TO DARE, TO WILL, TO KEEP SILENCE
I'm sure all of this is relevant to Dan and what we are discussing here, I'm done on this OTO thread for now.
Now is not the time for silence though.
Thanks Dan, now back to whatever is happening now...
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"I am watching this phenomena and keeping my mind fixed upon it, so that it shall reveal to me what it really is."
Aim to be and do something which no one else has ever done before or imagined.
You can never manage Magick, that's a Fool's errand, instead let it reveal yourself to yourself by your own True Light and you WILL change the World. You will be a Law unto yourself.
Is everyone here a Troglodyte, a child? Am I the only adult here?
I don't want it to be on me, Fuck I hope not
But I don't see any adults, shall we make the secret signs to find each other, for we know words are only confusing things that desribe externals mostly.
Love is the language of the Heart and Truth. Agape Love opens the Heavens to you or false seekers bring Hell on Earth, only amplifying their own confusion.
I'm tired of playing with kids.
No offense unless you take my words personal
Now I went and did it, me and my big mouth.
Smelly to the core I guess.
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All these words and only one matters Love and it’s capacity to flow through you, reduce your resistance to it and you will be filled with it.
“Don't waste your life for that which is going to be taken away. Trust life. If you trust, only then can you drop your knowledge, only then can you put your mind aside. And with trust, something immense opens up. Then this life is no longer ordinary life, it becomes full of God, overflowing.
When the heart is innocent and the walls have disappeared, you are bridged with infinity. And you are not deceived; there is nothing that can be taken away from you. That which can be taken away from you is not worth keeping, and that which cannot be taken away from you... why should one be afraid of its being taken away? It cannot be taken away, there is no possibility. You cannot lose your real treasure.”
Thanks OSHO. I trust in the process and I have found such a treasure. I do wish all would receive it within themselves as themselves. The Zelator serves life. And there is awareness yet beyond this still.
At approximately the time of Kevin’s arrival at Joe’s, it is alleged that HP had arranged for and/or partipated in a theft from one or more of Joe’s three workshops. Kevin is about to go to the SLC FBI office, with Joe, to make said allegations. These allegations might amount to grand theft, which, also allegedly, could lead to an incarceration.
Note-bene, I harbor several suspicions about these allegations......
I had a meet up with H in the early 90s at UNC, he gave presentation at the scientific society for which he is a board member. I had a five minute conversation with him on the way to lunch. I filled him in on what I believed to be my mission with Ron. He thanked me, and added that he now understood some things he had not previously.
I have sent the following text to Kevin, and R,A and Grant......
Kevin, please pick up. It is rather urgent...... concerning Rons allegations that Hal will face incarceration, based on the testimony that you are about to provide to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Please respond. If not, you will be the only civilian subject to charges of defamation to what I am posting on the blog.
8:22est........
The above text was sent at 8:15.......
8:45.........
Eventually, Kevin denied the above allegations.
Had Kevin made a more prompt denial I could, quite gleefully, have caught Ron in a bald faced lie. As it stands..... not so much.
IOW, Ron could have been setting me up for a defamation suit. Does chicken little look stupid.
Is chicken little trying to make trouble....... you betcha.
Kevin, quite sincerely charges that I am putting his life in danger with respect to the very serious feud ongoing between church factions, not to mention the various foreign interests that would likely also be involved.
I happen to disagree, but Kevin has stated to me, equally sincerely that he would be quite willing to take a bullet for the cause.
First off, who amongst us would not be willing to take a bullet for this cause, provided they gave it any substantial credence?
Even if Ron and/or Kevin knew that the above allegations were disinformation, other parties might be taking them seriously. If this were the case, Ron, I advise you to send a helicopter to Joe’s house, ASAP. If Ron fails to protect Kevin, rest assured that your gold star will be added to the wall, down at Langley and/or in heaven.
From Ron......
You distort, fabricate, post, then blame others.
Hmmm...... why not allow a court of law decide? Would that not help to clear the air, with respect to important matters?
In the meantime, Ron, if you do not dispatch the helicopter to Joe’s house, that inaction will serve to narrow the assumptions that we might reasonably draw from this affair. No?
The story does not end here........
Ron also alleged to me this afternoon that H had committed espionage against the Navy while in service to the ONI. I believe that there is no statute of limitations concerning high treason, which crime is subject to the ultimate sanction. No?
This entire escapade is fringeing into shaggy dog territory. No?
I suspect that we will make a modicum of progress, one way or another, in the not so distant future. Chicken little at your service.
(cont......)
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Kevin, sounds like your caught in the middle of something. If you need anything you have my support, just PM me. I live here in Utah. Transportation or anything at all.
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Dan has backtracked so many times I’ve lost count.
I’m his greatest listener.
So what?
Knock knock, whose there, no one.
No one who...
No one gives a fart about your team dramas.
Could we stick to the important points here please?
He said, she said means nothing.
Freedom is a two edged sword, anyone can cut themselves or others with it.
Have fun. Go to prison. Get shot.
WTF carez, it’s a dream in Mind and you guys get that constantly wrong here.
You are lost in the appearances.
As far as I’m concerned, they can lock you all up and we here could get this done a lot faster, who is imminentizing the eschaton, ignore anyone not doing that.
Children with guns.
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There is no other way to escape Hell.
What is good for the hive is good for the bee and what is good for the bee is what is good for the hive.
The princess is not the Queen, Mind is.
We are appearing in Mind, so no one is the Queen who lives here.
We have an identity of interest though.
"This, then, ought to be the chief end of all men, to make the interest of each individual and of the whole body politic identical.
For if the individual appropriates to selfish ends what should be devoted to the common good, all human fellowship will be destroyed."
—Cicero
Some of us here are keepers of the flame of the common good. We were made naturally to support the common good.
Trade and materialism has occluded that. When we walk back into the garden, we can only be innocent.
No one controls anything.
The power you have with your secrets will soon be gone and so will you when innocence returns.
It’s happening now.
Jesus improved socialism, we are part of the body and members in particular, that has never been realized on Earth.
Listen to me fools
Memento Mori
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“Since all tyrannies are based on dogma and since all dogmas are based on lies, it behooves us to look beyond them for truth and freedom will both be far away. And yet the Truth is that we know nothing...
...Objectively, we know nothing at all. Any system of intellectual thought, whether it be science, logic, religion or philosophy, is based on certain fundamental ideas or axioms which are assumed but which cannot be proven. This is the grave of all positivism. We assume but we do not know that there is a real and objective world outside our own mind. Ultimately we do not know what we are or what the world is. Further, if there is a real world apart from ourselves we cannot know what it really is; all we know is what we perceive it to be. All that we perceive is conveyed by our senses and interpreted by our brain. However fine, exact or delicate our scientific instruments may be, their data is still filtered through our senses and interpreted by our brain. However useful, spectacular or necessary our ideas and experiments may be, they still have little to do with absolute truth. Such a thing can only exist for the individual according to his whim or his inner perception of his own truth-in-being.”
— Jack Parsons
Jack was a great man, a great man. I’m amazed at his wisdom and science and compassion and they killed him.
The bastards kill any like him.
But that’s expected in this still very very dark age.
And aren’t you just the one to be throwing stones?
‘Common good..........’ those are words I did not expect to be hearing from the master of solipsism.
Rupert Spira gives a good exposition of immaterialism. That is my position, as well. You seem to be implying that a christian cannot also be an immaterialist. That is a patently false implication, Eric. Such a statement even borders on defamation, Mr Above It All.
Come down from your high horse, you snotty little boy.
You don’t really know me Dan as yourself yet, nor rarely engage me experience to experience.
What is happening now is always amazing to any who let themselves dissolve their hearts into Mind.
Shrug, I’m cool with not being heard.
I take whatever effective I find and bolt it on.
You have agendas.
I have none.
I’m free, you serve others’ agendas.
That’s just the world we live in.
Only a few are free, and fewer yet learn they have to selfishly fight for it, but under equality for all.
I am like Jack Parsons. I totally share his heart.
I came to my own conclusions through experience.
“Freedom, like charity, begins at home. No man is worthy to fight in the cause of freedom unless he has conquered his internal drives. He must learn to control and discipline the disastrous passions that would lead him to folly and ruin. He must conquer inordinate vanity and anger, self deception, fear and inhibition. These are the crude ores of his being.
He must smelt these ores in the fire of life; forge his own sword, temper it and sharpen it against the hard abrasive of experience. Only then is he fit to bear arms in the larger battle. There is no substitute for courage and the victory is to the high hearted. He will have nothing to do with asceticism or the excesses of weakness. Self expression will be his watchword, a self expression tempered keen and strong. First he must know how to rule himself. Only then can he cope with the economic pressures which are employed by institutions and corporations or the political pressures employed by demagogues.”
There is something in you Dan that is poisoning you, I see it. It hates me for some reason. I know why.
Freedom, how fucking dare I call bullshitz on all of it
God damn that snot nosed kid who knows what time it is.
He bested you all 10 ways to Sunday and you can’t even see it, but I can.
Remember when I told you I was here for you, well, I fibbed a little, I’m here for me too.
I am holding my hard won sword of freedom, are you Dan?
I have cut you to pieces.
Let go, the source will flow. Inside, the source provides.
But, and please correct if I’m wrong, I hear you saying that you have bested Jesus Christ. N Really, Mr Snotty? Shall we carve that on your tombstone? ............
And now you’re claiming that Jesus is dead.
Hey, while you’re at, Mr Snotty, why don’t you also claim that God is dead?
Don’t be timid. Don’t hold back. Please, Snotty, just let it all hang out. Just flash us, Snotty. Come little boy, show us what you’re made of.
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I don't see the Catholic faith, as I know it, as a filter... I see it more like a waveguide. The community aspect of faith is important too. Lots of people getting together and doing good things like feeding and sheltering the homeless this week is meaningful, not irrelevant. Wanting the Best Possible World for humanity is an agenda, yes.
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