With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
By that logic you don't exist, am I conversing with a figment of my perception? A facet of my own individual experience that is not in fact a conscious entity?
As to who owns the past and future, I hypothesize that past and future are an aberration, that the phenomenon of linear time is unnatural, created artificially and put into place for our benefit, to act as the vehicle for our spiritual experience and thereby growth/development.
The "natural" state of things is no time, only the moment, the now. That is what exists outside of the construct, call it "heaven" or "nirvana" or any of the arbitrary names given to it.
That's the thing. I no longer want the Human experience. I've had enough, and I want out. I cannot find pleasure in the mundane now that I have woken up.
It does seem that there is another way short of death, does that make me a coward?
i get it. i think i make art and construct songs to keep my hands busy creating. with thought alone i wander to past and future. by doing i remain in my present .
whittling a stick may be just as useful
being consumed in the doing of things, creating etc keeps me tolerating this condition around me.
If I may be so bold, you are running from your Self, we all are.
We are all cowards NorWon, me included.
But we have moments of courage that can bring us close to our heart.
You don’t think I’ve wrestled with myself, I have.
I felt as you do.
It is a process, your perceptions are clearing up.
Pleasure is found not in the mundane, but in peace I found.
I feel the challenge for all of us, let go all concepts, all spirituality, and embrace our short lives and then live them fully.
Until you love your fate, you are running from it.
In this realization, you are your own teacher, and you have been given all you need to live a full life if you can get your head out of your ass and humble yourself and realize that around you.
Everyone and thing connected to you, part of providing what you need.
I don’t have faith, but I feel that Love.
I don’t know what happens when I die, as I understand I can never die, as energy that animates me will exist forever.
I drink and swim in it.
It’s there for us.
I don’t think of what I can offer people anymore, I accept what they are bringing, I could only do that when I accepted myself as I am, then I realized I was everywhere and in everything, then there was nothing else to find.
Just to be peace here now seems to be the authentic state.
No need for salvation, we are whole and beautiful in our limitation and struggle.
Death is the release of the energy contained here in us.
You are everywhere.
So where could you go?
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I’m practicing for my Death, meaning, leave nothing on the table or gas in the tank.
Give it all here now!
I feel the energy surging as I write this, writing these words.
I feel all NDEs are misunderstood given my personal experience and realization.
Moved from head to heart and heart to silence.
Your memories are a self referential trick of gravity useful to move in time or the CTC.
You are not your memories, you are the one here now.
Imagine the source of the energy embodies itself in “limitation” because it was forever outside of time.
And in the “limited” state, you have an experience.
I won’t call this around us Mind or a dream, let’s call it “The Experience”.
We can only perceive here now. So being here now, one can see what we all are.
This is a realization and I can’t explain it.
You can’t conceive that or perceive what we are on this side of the mirror.
My feeling is we are here to be this.
Thoughts are viruses and not what we are.
When you begin to separate from your thoughts, you realize you can’t get your answers, so you let hem go.
When you die, the constricted energy moves into another part of the universe.
That’s all your ego can know of death.
I can say when a Human stops trying to reach escape velocity of earth and their bodies, they turn back into themselves and see gravity was always pulling us inside, not giving us fuel to leave!
When you accept this, you’re life goes on in peace and you own it fully.
We are our own Jailors, not imprisoned by archons.
Utter nonsense.
All this imagined afterlife, drop it all is my advice and then face your life having conquered death.
Living my own story like this doesn’t suck, it sucked before living other’s stories.
I think we are here having an experience only.
Nothing to learn, you know it all already, by being all, not conceiving of it. The game is not one of discovery, but one of remembering.
So be here now because that’s the closest you will ever get to Truth.
That's the thing. I no longer want the Human experience. I've had enough, and I want out. I cannot find pleasure in the mundane now that I have woken up.
It does seem that there is another way short of death, does that make me a coward?
i get it too norwon. you're not a coward, but perhaps your seeking some future that happens to be within your experience at this very moment.
about that awakening...if you believe that you deserve an existence beyond the one here on earth, then perhaps you'll have to earn it by making the most of the experience of being human. if you believe in the "bigger game" as you've described earlier, then don't you think that game has a point. if it's an eternal game, then the point can only be the journey itself; there not being a beginning or end, we are left with the present, and the most precious and valuable thing is our experience here and now; the human experience is the rarest you will ever have because it is so fleeting compared to eternity. if your soul transcends to eternity, would not these be the most precious moments you will ever have, knowing they are uniquely yours, the present is truly timeless. how would you judge your "self" in this regard? have you had a fullness of life rich in experience that qualifies you for what's next?
i believe in a creator, she exists and is all powerful, but I'm also the creator, and I am powerfull too, with the capacity to live and experience life, here and now, uniquely my own. this life, this experience, is made possible by a creator, I believe that, but its up to us to prove our'selfs' worthy of transcendence
someone asked the question earlier of "why am I here?" I think in response to one of your posts. i think the better question to be in is "who am I?" don't take offense please by what I'm saying next, but if you think you've awoken by seeking a quick end to this experience in favor of some other better one, you've fallen into the trap that many of us have. pining for some future ignores the importance of the present. my 'self' can only be present here and now, not was or will be, but now. the opportunity is now.
timelessness is in this instant, is that not the state you aspire to be in? if so, you're right where you need to be and everything you need is here, now.
i've struggled with these ideas as many have. i'm a novice, a beginner, a work in progress. i don't yet have Eric's commitment or clarity, but i'm seeing more
the truth is an elusive thing, its purely what we think, a story, and because we humans put words to stories in an attempt to codify the truth, we're forced to interpret it personally. if the truth is manifest within our collective experience, then words cannot make it ambiguous. for me, this is the existential challenge for humans, "can our collective experience lead us to the truth?" this is why i value experience over all else, and why i'm hopeful
it has nothing to do with portals or aliens or any of it, it is a simply a conversation about the 'self' and what it means to be human. all life, and certainly all intelligent life, in light of a creator, faces these same challenges. those who made portals, aliens, everything sentient in the universe likely exists within the same construct searching for the truth, no more no less
Jofo, Doug, Dan, NorWon, others we are here to help each other with our Awareness. We polish one another's hearts.
We all have our experiences.
Clarity is helpful in controlling your irrational self.
We are all in this together.
I think you are plenty clear Jofo.
I know the feeling of being way out on a limb and then sawing your own firm ground off.
What I see happening is people are in the process of getting to free fall, they must jump, everyone will.
It is different for each what leads one there, but this clarity and awareness, it's the same for all of us who jumped.
Nothing to fear but loss of the lies about yourself. And when you have stripped what's untrue about you away, there is only what is True left.
I assure you it's real and there for you, you are as they say, what you seek.
I never share here to lord my awareness over anyone, sometimes I feel the Trickster, but all my sharing is simply to say, look, I found gold, go search for it yourself.
If you aren't sure you found yourself yet, you have not, but when you do meet your self...
the eschatology, the determinism, it confounds me...it leaves me feeling lazy, helpless, without purpose...i reject it
Yes, in theory, this is the biggest problem with the BPWH.
But, fortunately, very few of us have the luxurny or inclination to be theoreticians....... we get on with our lives.
I do believe that we are being micromanaged from above. And it makes very little difference whether we believe it, or not. Even theoreticians have to get on with their lives.
If you don’t like this situation, you, like NorWon, might wish to take a short cut to greener pastures. Trust me, that is really the last thing you should want to do.
I agree with JoFo, above, later post.... once you know the truth, you want to savor every minute of the present. You get to watch yourself always making the best possible decisions for you situation.
NorWon, even, or especially, if you’re not aware, you’ll still be making the best possible decisions, but they will mostly be benefiting the rest of us.
Does that mean that, if you are aware, you’ll be more selfish.....?
In some sense it does, but now we’re talking about the cosmic Self.
And as far as the gods go, by now you could try being more straightforward and kind. It’s the same, whether you’ve examined these things for a hundred years, or only three.”
—Marcus Aurelius
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I have been writing a lot about burning the books and tree of knowledge.
Profound.
I remember seeing Star Wars with my Dad in the 70s when I was 5. Ironically my Dad is living with me now, we are going Sunday to see it together. As I watched the movie today, I heard a voice in my head...
Said, been full circle kiddo, huh?
The voice was startling in its clarity. I said, don’t you talk in symbols and such? He said, no, I’m just here now kid with you.
I want to watch this movie with you.
Ha, ok.
No LSD was involved in the experience.
I began weeping.
It was a strange feeling, the movie played me like a piano. Like a key fitting in a hole. Also ironic was what the Last Jedi is saying describes the Awareness.
I felt like a player in a game watching the back of his head.
I asked with great trepidation...are you Death?
He said, yep, but we have time.
*gulp*
I thought, this feels so lucid, and he’s got a different tone to his voice than I, a joker's playful confidence. He could be Death....naaaaaa.
I said, wasn’t this the Joe Black movie?
I know, haha, no, I’m not Death, I thought it would be fun to scare you doing all this talking of death and all. He asked, are you ready to die?
I said...no.
Then step right up and spin the wheel...have fun.
It went like that.
Many other things were said.
The movie and the voice supported most of our basic themes here. I only mention this because it cracked me up hearing his voice make these funny comments through the whole movie.
I felt so calm and loved after the movie.
But perhaps I should speak to a professional
Voices in heads can be distracting if you don't just sink into the conversation, but if you let the tape play, like what part of the personal experience is this?
Peace y’all
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“Not till your thoughts cease all their branching here and there, not till you abandon all thoughts of seeking for something, not till your mind is motionless as wood or stone, will you be on the right road to the Gate.”
-- Huang Po, The Zen Teaching of Huang Po: On the Transmission of Mind
You can feel the transition from the Fool to the Magician...
"A perception, sudden as blinking, that subject and object are one, will lead to a deeply mysterious understanding; and by this understanding you will awaken to the truth."
-- Huang Po
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To truly leave here is to detach, but I said before, we were put here to be Human, to have a Human experience. What is the purpose of this Awareness then?
For your consideration...
"There is only one way out of the dream state / illusion.
you have to let go of everything , every idea, every love, every passion, every desire . All of it.
The simplicity of it is:
if you want it , any part of it, you stay.
Importance, fame, acceptance, responsibilities, family, orthodox religion, ...Any ONE thing will keep you here.
there is no other way. Partial release is not possible. Either you are here, or you are not.
but, I will say this, the closer you get to getting out, the happier you will become by the same degree that you have let go of attachment.
Nirvana is the last place that is experienced in this 'place'. Then you leave.
it is as it is and there is no bullshit in what I have set forth."
And then the train comes and you are gone forever...
Just let this one lay Dan, no response needed.
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We are not evolving anything here but experience!
Evolution is providing you the experience of the self immersed into the experience of being human as a simulated dream with rules, continuity and persistence.
Kinda tickles being in a dream, you have an itch you can never scratch.
Thought as a simulation programming language...ignition.
I see now, I have explored the higher reaches of experience and like Doug and hobbit and maybe others here, I'm an experiencer.
So I went to the edge of experience and it said you are having a dream as a Human Being...shhhh...go back and play in "The Experience" as such as long as you like.
It takes steps in voltage up to get into the larger Mind reality Operating System or Singularity if you like.
I am just a Bug or Hacker/Ghost in the system, as is Dan and many others.
We provide new experiences to Mind and do UFOs not qualify as some of the coolest experiences. I wish I could experience life like Doug sometimes making realistic art and music. If I want to know what that is kinda like, I need to get to know Doug. There is a secret in this last statement.
When you update your thought feedback loops, others connected to you, update theirs and vice versa. The future is always queued up in our minds, to be played out like a movie reel.
Nothing new in my words. I am just echoing what the Mind is saying to us now about how the Big Story is changing and how it works. I guess that's who whispered in Dan's ear 40 years ago.
He got a thought process software update
I find this all very interesting, I know most of you are dulling out with this dumb ass babbling shit, but I'm pointing to the secret to everything
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There is a definite theme to the day over here in crazy Cali.
Thought and language as code for the reality operating system, ROS.
What is an interesting synchronicity is that I was the first viewer of this video right after it was posted, which was right after I wrote this post. Not a second that I last hit send here, this popped up on my phone.
In the $600 billion annual Defense Department budgets, the $22 million spent on the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program was almost impossible to find.
Which was how the Pentagon wanted it.
For years, the program investigated reports of unidentified flying objects, according to Defense Department officials, interviews with program participants and records obtained by The New York Times. It was run by a military intelligence official, Luis Elizondo, on the fifth floor of the Pentagon’s C Ring, deep within the building’s maze.
Luis Elizondo and others associated with Tom DeLonge get mentioned, but not Tom DeLonge himself.
I wonder if this is due to some sort of split developing between Tom DeLonge himself and some of those around him.
Thank you Isaac and Eric for the link to the NYT article(s).
Yes, it is significant that the grey lady did not mention Tom. Any such mention would have been an easy way to debunk the sightings. The mere publishing of the article can be interpreted on any number of levels.
It does indicate that the DeLonge initiative is a part of a more concerted effort. It is unlikely that the right hand is not cognizant of the left.
There remains a large gap between ‘objective’ UAPs and the subjective, portal-type phenomena. UAPs can be kept at arm’s length...... much less invasive psychologically, or subversive ontologically. Our conventional notions of reality remain more or less intact.
In the meantime, Aliyah has passed a couple of the GtM contacts on to me. One is an author and friend of Grant’s. The interest is there, but I can hardly proceed without her explicit approval. On OM, I can speculate on a daily basis, but a book requires a more concerted ballast. A non-fictional book treatment would entail rather more gravitas than the occasional video. It would be a big step, politically.
Another option under consideration is a tv documentary series. With Aliyah’s participation, it would be a step of similar magnitude...... barely short of Disclosure. Kevin is back here, visiting.
(cont........)
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The fact that DeLonge was not the key spokesman of today's NYTs disclosures was predicted. It appears they wanted it to be coming from the assistant puppet masters. Having DeLonge, the puppet, release it would have killed the impact of the confirmation that the government has an active UFO investigation program. DeLonge and others have been saying this for a long time, and no one paid attention.
This Nimitz encounter is the best documented, perhaps ever, and by no small margin.
Would such a (double) release have been made, were it not intended as part of a larger picture? Would it have been launched into a vacuum? It makes little sense as an isolated provocation.
(cont.......)
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If I had super secret tech, of course I’d use the UFO conspiracy to hide it. I’d send them after our planes, I’d mess with the dumb public. I’d have smart people and scientists chasing their tails. I’d use all the idiots I could find. I’d be selling weapons to both sides to pay for our secret research. I’d have a hell of a good time causing mischief and I’m nice and kind and generous. I can imagine what they would and have done.
Please, America has held the ‘trump’ card to the world’s shenanigans at least since WWII.
Hard not to just call bullshit on all of this. How can anyone being honest not. TPTB would make sure no one could knock them over. The last one of those vipers would conceal their dagger and stick it in God’s throat if they could
Grant Cameron has written a book about the Charlie Redstar a ufo event he witnessed in Canada. A red unknown object that could fly i.e. a U F O was seen for days.
He was a direct witness. The damn thing sat on top of his car. He saw it many times, many saw it many times, news people covered it, it was amazing!
And this is not compelling evidence?
This was a startling enough event to Grant that it changed the entire course of his life.
I dont think he did so because of a mis identified ballon or Chinese lantern .
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