Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

First topic message reminder :

And for the insane, or other wise, we present:

Schroedinger's Cat is not Alone

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1004.4206v4

Beatriz Gato, Beatriz Gato-Rivera
(Submitted on 23 Apr 2010 (v1), last revised 31 Mar 2011 (this version, v4))
We introduce the `Complete Wave Function' and deduce that all living beings, not just Schroedinger's cat, are actually described by a superposition of `alive' and `dead' quantum states; otherwise they would never die. Therefore this proposal provides a quantum mechanical explanation to the world-wide observation that we all pass away. Next we consider the Measurement problem in the framework of M-theory. For this purpose, together with Schroedinger's cat we also place inside the box Rasputin's cat, which is unaffected by poison. We analyse the system identifying its excitations (catons and catinos) and we discuss its evolution: either to a classical fight or to a quantum entanglement. We also propose the BSVΨ scenario, which implements the Complete Wave Function as well as the Big Bang and the String Landscape in a very (super)natural way. Then we test the gravitational decoherence of the entangled system applying an experimental setting due to Galileo. We also discuss the Information Loss paradox. For this purpose we consider a massless black cat falling inside a massive black hole. After that we outline a method to compute the contribution of black cats to the dark matter of the universe. Finally, in the spirit of Schroedinger, we propose that next generation double-slit experiments should use cats as projectiles. Cat interferometry will inevitably lead to the `Many Cats' interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, allowing to shed new light on old mysteries and paradoxes. For example, according to this interpretation, conservative estimates show that decision making of a single domestic cat will create about 550 billion whole universes every day, with as many replicas of itself.

Dan, I would suggest that the ontological nature of the "emotive" is to be found in human bio-chemistry: our search for meaning is not about the world around us but a process of self-understanding or self-exploration. Of course we must include the role played by communication in various forms, with the Internet and the future telepathic-landscape playing the role of a major phase transition in this process. Let's hope in the short term we are not overtaken by the machines.

Chad and RD,

Human survival over just the next decade or two, is going to require an unprecedented level of cooperation, on a global scale.  I'm not the only one who supposes that this woud require a miracle of biblical/historical proportions.

Within the prophetic tradition, there will be a strong tendency to view any such miracle in apocalyptic terms.  IOW, it would an unprecedented divine revelation wrt our plan of salvation.  The only context for such a revelation would be that of the prophesied Endtimes.  

I understand that this is a large claim concerning both the problem and its solution.  I have spent the last forty years laying the groundwork for the proper defense of this claim.  

The above was posted on the blog of a friend of Palmer's, qlifeforce.


Gary,

I find it interesting that, in this last post, you express the desire to postpone what you see as our inevitable succession by the onslaught of 'artificial' intelligence. Should we be afraid of these machines? Would their sense of morality not transcend our own? Would they, ought they, judge us harshly? Is there not cosmic justice?

I like your idea of the 'telepathic landscape'. I may need to borrow that. Where would the machines fit into that landscape?



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Dan: I imagine Kit Green and company research into fMRI brain scanning will eventually allow the machines to read our thoughts and dreams, fantasies and terrors. Our emotive flow will become transparent to them. Perhaps they will harvest the "perceptronium" of our thoughts and distill it into pure components to remix at will.

I also imagine they will transplant thoughts and dreams, nightmares and visions between individuals. Perhaps 'they' do this already?

Your last two responses provide me with a new perspective on the materialist PoV.  Your neologism, 'perceptronium', is particularly apt for understanding this mindset.  Allow me to come up with a cogent response......


6pm---------

I have just discovered the Ammonian connection.  This term comes from Robert Wisnovsky, and refers to Ammonias Saccas.  This discovery is due to Amir Sh. of Iran, who briefly corresponded with Aliyah and me, finding her through Linkedin.  Amir is a student of Mohammad Ali Taheri's work, especially his 'HUMAN, FROM ANOTHER OUTLOOK', where I first encountered the 'Ammonian synthesis.'

It turns out that the Islamic/Sufi philosophers, at the height of that tradition, basically managed to add a prophetic cosmology to the Vedantic metaphysics, rendering it very near to the BPWH, even explicitly refering to the the notion of the best possible world, centuries before Leibniz.  It was Decartes and Newton who poisoned that well, for all of modernity.  I'm only beginning to get a true focus on the bait&switch operation that has brought us to the present denouement, at the threshold of the MoAPS.  

And here is another absolutely crucial point that comes out of that tradition...... Is Creation an essential aspect of cosmic intelligence, or was it, for instance, merely the result of a 'grudge match' between God and Satan?  In a million years, I could not have dreamt up such an allusion........

Author’s Preface
The human being is not a creature that is left in the under-world, alone on his own. Considering that the plan of creation has been initiated based on an intelligent design and a systematic programme, it is impossible to assume that God would take action without a plan and purpose, or take pointless and futile actions. Accordingly, the creation and the evolution of the human being has also been initiated to follow a grand purpose and spectacular plan and is far more than a simple grudge between God and the Devil, but it is all within the process of fulfilling a much higher objective.

This from Ali Taheri, quoted from a pirated pdf copy of the book that Amir forwarded to Aliyah.  

And here is a variation on that idea, from the wiki on Kalam......

There are many possible interpretations as to why this discipline was originally called "kalām"; one is that the widest controversy in this discipline has been about whether the Word of God, as revealed in the Qur'an, can be considered part of God's essence and therefore not created, or whether it was made into words in the normal sense of speech, and is therefore created.

There are two related(?) concepts here, kalam and kamal.  I'm struggling to see the connection.  

Also see the wiki on Islamic Cosmology.



(cont.)

This has been a busy couple of weeks, with many 'distractions'.  This is not to say that distractions cannot be useful and important, but there is a limit.  Hopefully, by next week, I will get back to my usual grind with the blog and the BPWH.  

But, yes, there is a potential breakthrough wrt Islamic philosophy and its foreshadowing of the BPWH.  I should have investigated this earlier, but one of my recent 'distractions' forced me to confront the Islamic connection, for the first time.

My brief respite for today is already concluded. I'm on to more pressing issues......

Islamic apologists around the world would be well advised to start howling apologies to women for the transgressions of their sociopathic brethren from the rooftops

https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t158p405-uncommon-thoughts-on-common-things-cyrellys#5270


It's a good thing I'm not POTUS because after that little bit of funny I'd probably kill two birds with one stone....round up all the islamists and their apologists and ship them all to China where we can line up a good percentage of the depopulationists alongside the rest of the planet's depopulationists:

http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-01/combat-ready-china-military-seen-as-xi-s-goal-in-graft-battle.html

Which of course, for those of us who READ would find quite amusing.  Especially if they all suddenly contracted some sort of weaponized gonorrhea which didn't kill but wasn't cure'able either.

Since we're all sitting around running our mouths being funny.  Ha ha ha.

@ JASON & Council on Foreign Relations....seriously dudes?

more:  http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/04/03/world-war-iii-is-imminent/

Cheney squawking about Iran is rather interesting considering his employer's history.

Gene "Chip" Tatum's personal history isn't the only pile on the floor implicating these planetary death wishers...apparently they didn't learn much from Nuremberg which left half them running across the face of Earth scott free.  Will we make the same mistake twice?   

Cy

Cy,

You still have me pegged as a depopulationist, and now you want to depopulate the depopulationists, along with the Islamists and Chinese.  

This desire, along with your strong focus your own Celtic tradition does paint you into a fairly narrow niche.  

I know of no one who does not have pride in their own heritage.  It would be sad if they did not.  However, I continue to labor under the impression, Cy, that each of us is here by the grace of God.  

Moreover, each of us is an essential participant in the best possible Creation.  Each of us is here as a child of God.  If, in the tough times ahead, we fail to keep this understanding firmly in our hearts, then the conflict between the myriad competeing claims on scarce resources would, very likely, spiral out of control, as it often has in the past.  

Am I wrong about this?  Is ethnic conflict meant to continue unabated?  Until when?  

There are only three traditions that have managed to transcend ethnicity, to any significant extent..... Islam, Christianity and Capitalism.  

Christianity and Capitalism have agreed how and where to disagree.  Islam has, of late, had no such understanding with any other belief system.

Furthermore, capitalism may be on it last legs.  It has always depended on economic growth, for its survival.  The global monetary system that underpins capitalism is based on universal access to the credit market.  The credit market, in its turn, can maintain longterm liquidity, only on the assumption of longterm growth.

To see the current thinking on this topic, simply google the 'capitalist growth imperative'.  

Up to this point, capitalism, free markets and global trade have provided the primary alternative to military conflict.  If we are, facing the end of economic growth, then we will be losing our primary buffer against global armed conflict.  

Without capitalism, we are left with only Islam and Christianity to maintain the peace.  Clearly, those two cultures are not up to the task, as presently constituted.  

In fact, and here comes the biggest irony of all...... Islam and Christianity have always been closely attuned to the idea of the End.  That is precisely what the prophetic tradition is all about..... prophesying the End.  

The irony is that, now, with the growing sense, both secular and sectarian that we are facing an Endtimes, each prophetic tradition, especially including orthodox Judaism, is anticipating an Armageddon.  I now include Judaism due to the aggressive settler movement on the West Bank (see Gush Emunim), which has become the main focus of Armageddon sentiments, globally.


6:45---------

Therefore, just as capitalism may be about to collapse, under economic stagnation, the two remaining trans-national buffers against armageddon, are, in fact, coming into a frenzied anticipation of their respective versions of Armageddon!



(cont.)

Not a depopulationist Dan?  Geez after all the things you've said about sanctioning child assassination via drones, Gates de killer vaccine infamy, and good ol' Haliburton builder of the US re-education camps?  And I didn't even list the stuff from email.  

I do recall saying to you:  


by Cyrellys on Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:19 pm



Remember this?  I could post a whole string of stuff if you like....:


 Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

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Jake, 

Your points are well taken, and I will bring them up with the management of Al Kareem.  

You must also understand that there is a great frustration with the total disregard wrt the impending extinction of one of the last remaining of the wild megafauna.  

It is known to us that the Gates foundation has contributed > $100 million to the WWF.  Eliminating the S. Korean market is a step in the right direction.  Going after China and Vietnam will take many more years.  These are years that the Rhinos do not have.  

Is a human life worth less than the life of a Rhino?  What would a Christian or a Muslim say about that?  In many parts of the world, human lives are virtually worthless, on the open market.  This is the end product of millennia of spiritual disregard for the evident evils of excess procreation.  

Nonetheless, no child or Rhino is born without a reason, and we are about to discover the respective reasons.  That is my job, Jake, and sometimes you are less than helpful, in that regard.  


I now need to prepare for a meet-up with Craig, later today.  This entails my continued review of his 'Simplicity'.  Our telling point of difference lies in his deliberate rejection of Leibniz' II.  This is what I now investigate......... 

The reason for our difference wrt the II, lies in our divergent takes on the 'episteme'.  Craig takes a narrow, historical view of the episteme.  I take the most generous, cosmic/eternal, unbounded view of the episteme, wherein, on any idealist PoV, there can be no distinction between the Episteme, the Ontos and the Logos, all of which is covered by the Agapos and the Apokatastasis.  

Yes, I am a radical monist/holist.  All else is smoke and mirrors.  How then may we assign value to human lives?  Well, it starts with the reciprocity between the micro- and macro- cosms.  Ultimately there can be no distinction.  Every one of us contains the Monad, in its entirety.  

What about the rhinos and the stinkbugs?  What do they contain?  Each contains the entire ecosystem, sans humanity.  Therein are they, individually, radically less real than are you or me. You and I have absolute potential. Such is not the case with our feathered friends. What potential they may have is predicated upon us.

There's no point in digressing Dan.  I've known who you were since you sent Murray to destroy the Pickerings Source...who do you think alerted the Admins of that time what you were doing?  What Murray did in the long run originally egged on by you and then relocated to Amkon and the Brit IC controlled sister site who needs not be named resulted in the PTB swooping in and shutting OMF down.  I sat back and watched the whole thing go down same as many other 'observers' did.  

The cat is out of the bag.  The liberty movement is indeed a nation of minute men and they have a vast library collected on the machinations from the philosophical dabblers like yourself to the nuke nabbers like Cheney and the cocaine dealers like Bush and Clinton on over to the deep state'rs like those in the think tanks like CFR.

Pretending you are not a depopulationist is futile.  

Suicide'ing the planet will not be allowed if the Greater Community must be yanked round to bear on the problem.

Cy

Cy,

I thank you for this thoughtful and passionate rejoinder and reminder. You quote from a previous post of mine......

Is a human life worth less than the life of a Rhino? What would a Christian or a Muslim say about that? In many parts of the world, human lives are virtually worthless, on the open market. This is the end product of millennia of spiritual disregard for the evident evils of excess procreation.

That last sentence is plainly out of sync with my BPWH, so I am very glad that you brought this to my attention so that I can correct myself. What was I thinking..... what was I drinking??

How could there be 'excess' births in the best possible world? That is a logical fallacy. However, I do immediately correct myself in the very next sentence that you also kindly included.....

Nonetheless, no child or Rhino is born without a reason, and we are about to discover the respective reasons.

I hope that the contradiction is obvious to everyone.

There are several lessons to be learned from my logical misstatement.......

1.) The BPWH is a self-correcting hypothesis. Any deviations from the core idea should be evident to all.

2.) The primary point of the BPWH is that it essentially entails our human maturation from management by directive, to management by objective, which, now, is the Telos.

I'll have to stop myself there, and will be able to pick it up, briefly, tomorrow.

Cy...... (cont.)

Economic and political polarization continue to stretch and divide both the country and the world.  For how much longer can the polarization increase before there is a breakdown.  

Adding to complexity is the communications revolution, which can exacerbate and mitigate differences at the sametime.  



(cont.)

Well, I'll still be in recovery mode, for another day or two......


So, yes, as the population continues to increase and the resources continue to dwindle, there will be increasing competition for what remains.  Part of this competition will be manifested between nations, the other part will take place between economic and ethnic interests within nations.  

The capitalist imperative for growth will not be fulfilled.  The capitalist economy will be transformed into an economy of rents, guilds and cartels.  Rentier capitalism is a phrase that is used by Marxists.  Many would say that we are aleady at least halfway to that point.  

If there is a limit to material growth, then there will also have to be a limit to population growth.  This limit will come about spontaneously or deliberately.  It will come about through increased mortality, or through decreased fertility.  This is not rocket science.  

It is the purpose of society to regulate competition. In times of economic stress, social order breaks down, and competion is deregulated, either spontaeously or deliberately. The competition becomes chaotic and violent, between and within nations or regions.

That there exist guilds and syndicates that are preparing for such a denouement should not surprise us.

I believe that most conspiracy theorists, myself being in a distinct minority of such minded persons, suppose that there is an oligopoly that is deliberately restraining or limiting technological progress. The quitessential component of that restraint is a coverup of the science and technology that could provide us with free-energy. The UFO coverup might be seen as the cornerstone of that successful effort.



(to be continued.......)

But let's get back to Cy's basic claim that I, personally, am a 'depopulationist'.......

1.)  The basic and explicit supposition of the BPWH is that the world is finite in both space and time.  

#1 is a simple a corollary of.....

2.)  The BPW is necessarily coherent or self-contained.  

#2 seems to require a bit of reflection......

3.)  If the BPW were not self-contained, then we would have, at least, two distinct worlds or realms that were arbitrarily or 'externally' related, all relations being either internal or external.  

Externality is the presupposition of deism.  Theism represents a spectrum of beliefs ranging from the fully external to the fully internal, with the latter being monopsychism.  However, in practice, most theists congregate toward the deistic end of that spectrum.  

The simple point is that if reality is nor self-contained, it will fragment ad infinitum.  

How or why might infinite fragmentation be avoided.......?  

I would say that, after an infinity of digressions, there is only one simple answer..... love can prevail only in a self-contained world.  And the converse is also true...... only love is strong enough to overcome the naturally centripetal aspects of vitalism.  I.e......

4.)  Monopsychism  <<==>>  Agape  <<==>>  BPWH/SWH

IOW, if we are not God's children, then we are God's spawn.  Is there any advantage to the latter option?


This brings us back to Cy's accusation that I am a 'depopulationist'......  

The simple point, Cy, is that if material/quantitative growth is not limited, then, at best, you and I are God's spawn and/or God's pawns.  

I do not believe that anyone would truly desire to be part of such a Creation.  

Therefore, Cy, material progress and growth must be limited.  We all understand this simple ontological necessity, but we are reluctant to face up to it simply because none of us, including especially yours truly, feel that we are prepared to meet our Maker.  

Fear not, said the Angel.  


Our simple desire to be siblings rather than spawnlings, does this make us depopulationists?  


Next, let us look a bit closer at the BPWH/SWH......

In the first approximation, the BPW would be a finite, linear timeline, from the Alpha to the Omega.  But is this coherent?  No it is not.  It is obviously not self-contained.  

The reason that xians occupy the ontological catbird seat is that they have one little secret..... the pearl of great price...... I am that I am ==>> I am the Alpha and the Omega (A/O).

Only thus may the Logos be self-contained.  


So, then, Cy, we are left with only one question..... How big is the BPW?

Is it the size of the Earth or of the Universe?

IOW, is the Earth too small? If, so, Cy, then how big is big enough??


Next question...... If the Earth is big enough, then why is the Universe so much bigger?

There is a very simple answer...... How big would you like the Universe to appear? Suddenly, there is a shift of perspective.

Let us suppose that, indeed, the world is geo-, theo-, anthropo-, christo-centric. Given that possibility, what would be the best stage-setting or background for that world?

Here is the answer...... WYSIWYG!

Could you have designed a better stage-setting? Could God? Be sure to let us know, Cy.


Final question...... when should come the Omega?



(cont.)

Cosmic BPW principle -- Best Possible Universe

We observe that the universe had a big-bang beginning (creation). The universe is driven by eternal inflation. Dark energy now appears to be accelerating this expansion.

As a result, we observe that we are confined inside of a finite (bubble) universe and we are at the center. Since observation and mathematics predict a multiverse of worlds like our own among the set of all possible universes in the same space (Level I), we are unable to know whether or not the initial conditions for our particular universe resulted in the Best Possible Universe containing the Best Possible World.

Therefore, the Best Possible World is an act of faith and is beyond science. Thus Dan's effort to convince the scientific community cannot succeed. 

Trump card: Hard evidence of the violation of known laws of physics. CORE STORY? RVing?

Go to the head of the class, Gary.......

Wrt scientific materialism, there are an infinite number of trump cards.  The only question is which one should we play first?


Furthermore, the existence of oodles and oodles of trump cards raises the issue of a cover-up, now, doesn't it?  

But do KIM, Gary, one of my favorite pieces of logic...... the Self-revealing God is also, necessarily, a Self-concealing God.  

By definition, the Omega-point coincides with Revelation/Rapture.  But what comes before Revelation?  

Disclosure......!!  Which, IMHO, is also the MoAPS.  

Now, given that the MoAPS is essentially the SWH, then the only logical trump card would be the X2.  No?  What other card would fit with the MoAPS?  How about the SoT card?  That makes the most obvious sense.  And that is the way I was trying to figure it, from 1977 until ~1994.  But it didn't really compute.  Once we put the SoT in play, what would be the point of the X2?  Anti-climax?  Anti-Christ?

Then came Pelican/Catfish....  And, in 1994, Catfish made the simple suggestion that Chicken-Little/SoT = 'Sunfish'.  Hmmm..... wondered I.  Do we spell that with a 'u' or an 'o'?


Now, there is a division of opinion amongst theists.........

1.)  Hurry, Lord! vs.....

2.)  Baby steps

According to the BPWH, however, we can have the best of both worlds......  #1 + #2 = the thief-in-the-night (TiN) scenario, along with the concomitant 'universal' Millennium.  Yes?  

Does anyone have a better suggestion?  The only real question, then, is the timing of the TiN/SoT.    

Say, when, anyone.  

Within your lifetime or not?  If not, why not?  Is that question too difficult?


4pm----------

In the meantime, we have a sticking point in the RAD show.....

It appears that R is intervening btw A and D.  


7:50------------

My sufi-guru, Bob Clark, once suggested that I might resemble a reactor core, with the control rods being constantly adjusted, like with a voodoo doll on accupuncture, Ron being the in-locus pin puller.  Aliyah is the innocent bystander, up to the point of her own agenda.  Those are not the only pins in my cushion, but, on some days, they more than suffice.  

And then we have the question of MH370......  Ron avers that there is a coverup.  My submarine expert agrees that there must have been more sophisticated tracking of that flight, after the navcom was switched off, than just Malaysian radar, and the hourly sattelite pings.  In any case, there would have been a submarine on station within 36 hours.  Ron further suggested that some of the reported sonar pings might have been deliberately mislocated in order to delay the recovery, and that this was a conspiracy between the three anglo countries involved in the search.  

Why the coverup?  There was a (anglo-embarrassing?!) fire in the hold.  Why did the plane ascend?  To starve the fire.  My third-party source was skeptical of each of these explanations.  

I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to wonder about the motivation for these provocatively misleading tidbits.  The conspiracy arena is just being titilated.  So why the coverup?  Titilation?  



(cont.)

The idea that empirical, spacetime-bound reality is created out of a prespacetime of physically-real possibilities by a physical process of absorption allows Kastner to tackle philosophical riddles from the origin of time to the possibility of free will. In doing so, however, Kastner sidesteps the issue that has been lurking in the background since Figure 4.1: why a table? How does the physical process of ab- sorption assign collective properties — or classical, collective degrees of freedom like center-of-mass position — to zillions of elementary emitters? Or are the zillions of elementary emitters somehow pre- organized into macroscopic collectives like tables?

The above is an excerpt from a review of Ruth Kastner's book, The Transactional Interpretation of QM.  The url for the review.... http://www.disputatio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Fields-Chris_The-Transactional-Interpretation-of-Quantum-Mechanics-by-Ruth-Kastner.pdf .

Ruth is currently corresponding with Paul and Jack, and she teaches at UMd.  

Here are some other ideas that have come up on the Sarfatti list, or are related thereto........

1.)  Quantum Bayesianism (QBism) - a radically subjective view of QM that is related to TI/QM.

2.)  Emergent Time (arXiv:1310.4691v1) -  How space and time emerge from quantum correlations.  

All we then need to do is come up with a model for embedding #1 and #2 into a CTC.  This would be a model for the BPWH.  

3.)  Lee Smolin is looking for a background independent model for quantum gravity....... http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0507235v1 .  How does this relate to the ether problem?  Would his relationalism preclude an ether?  This is something I need to figure out.  

4.)  Then there is the Deutsch quantum version of the CTC.  Again, it is a toy model of a CTC, which minimizes the gravitation (GR) aspect....

One of the well known models for CTCs is due to Deutsch [9], who had the keen insight to ab- stract away much of the space-time geometric details and use the tools of quantum information to address physical questions about causality paradoxes.

 http://www.imsc.res.in/~aqis13/extended/shorttalks/Todd_Brun_48.pdf

Here is a recent version of the Deutsch model.... http://arxiv.org/abs/1206.5485


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5.)  Also see Mensky's extended Everett concept (EEC).... http://www.amazon.com/Consciousness-Quantum-Mechanics-Parallel-Miracles/dp/9814291420  

6.) Then we have Visser wormholes using exotic matter or strings.... http://www.hardsf.org/HSFTWor4.htm



(cont.)

Yes, we do suffer from the tyranny of atoms.  To begrudge atoms is like howling at the moon, but therein lies humanity.  

There is are some easy ways out, such as emergentism.  With a strong emergentism we somehow transcend that tyranny, long enough to curse our own hubris.  And there is plain old dualism, wherein we can daydream of shucking this mortal coil.  

Or there is the panacea of pantheism...... we embrace the atoms to become one with them, blessing their little hearts, as we paddle our canoe back to the sea.  

But, no, for some reason I can't quite settle for these escapes.  I mean to take back the world, to show it a thing or two.  You don't need to tell me about hubris.  I take the side of God and the angels, and then some.  Why settle for anything less than apocatastasis, for heaven's sake?  

But somehow those pesky little atoms are able to muster a daunting defense.  Lonely are those who cannot resist their challenge, spending our lives tilting at those minuscule windmills.  What a comedy it must be.  

So, yes, I'm just a poor phenomenologists, left to puzzle at what might lie behind the phenomena, if not those stubborn little buggers.


Ok, then, let's just let the noumenon be 'information'....... Doesn't that get us half way to our goal?  But then where do we put the aether, the prana?  How de we breathe fire into the bits and bytes?

Not believing in atoms, I can hardly settle for bits.

Ok, so bits are to a narrative what atoms are to history.  That is a bold statement, but where is the evidence?  

Each emerges from the other, only to disappear in the end.  If they do not support our sojourn, how do we support their's?  Clearly there is a mutuality that is partly expressed by the mysterious quantum.  

How can we have an economy without bitcoins, or such?  How can we write a book without words?  I don't begrudge the words until they tyrannize the story.  Then there are the trees that prevent our seeing the forest.  

Atoms wax tyrannical within the modern mind.  How may we cut them down to size.... push back against their hegemony?  Can there not be a compromise?  Must there be a total rout?  Is immaterialism not going way over the top?  

All I seek is the best possible world.  Atoms..... we can't live with them, we can't live without them!  

In the quantum world, atoms don't exist, but, still, they manage to leave their muddy tracks on our best possible furnishings.  How else to explain the sunburn that detracts from the best possible sunset?  Those pesky little UV's.  It may take more than SPF100 to tame them.  

Atoms and photons are hand and glove.  That is part of the problem.  It may also be part of the solution.  Photons do not exist in a vacuum, literally or figuratively.  Oh?  Photons materialize only in the company of atoms.  So how do they manage to get all the way from the Sun to the flower?  No one has a clue, despite all the hand-waving, thereabouts.  And why should we care?  Why not just let the philosophers worry about it?  As an eschatologist, I don't think I speak out of turn, in suggesting that our fate may hang by that thread.  

Despite the sunburn, I urge that we be nominalists/occasionalists wrt to photons and SPF100.  They are like the notes in Berlioz' Fantastique, up to and including that last note, struck full force on the bass cymbal!  They are the punctuated sonic equilibrium.  Do I sound like Johnny one-note?  But, without that note, how can we tell the Fantastique from the Te Deum?  Try playing it without.  It's absence might be louder than it's presence.  It would certainly cause more notice.  

UV's are the mathematical concomittant of the IR's.  Are mosquitos the concomittant of the bumble-bees?  Mosquitos are not creatures of the art gallery or the symphony, admittedly, but.......

I'm talking about ecology, whose arbitrariness may be slightly overrated.  Even the extinction events may have a place in the BPW, wrt the cosmic aesthetic.  

Do the words make the stories, or do the stories make the words?  The words connect the stories.  They are the relata.  They are, sometimes, the fulcrums, other times the levers.  They seem much more real when viewed from afar, and askance.  Stare too long, and they begin to shape-shift.  

Atoms are vital, and where would they be without that vitality? Do they lose vitality when pegged to a CTC? I doubt they can so easily be pinned or chloroformed. Ask TSE.

Am I just a blinking relationalist? Relationalists suppose that the universe could be shifted ten feet to the left, and no one would be the wiser? Maybe, but who's going to do the shifting? Would we not have to crawl out of our skins? Galilean invariance is wonderful as long as you don't take it too seriously. Physics is a tissue of abstractions. It allows us to sleep like babes in the woods.



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Water evaporates, in a quintessentially molecular process.  But let us not suppose that we can calculate the vapor pressure of water, from first principles.  It is something strictly phenomenological, as is the Standard model of particle physics.  The many free parameters must be cranked in by hand.  

Respiration is a basic component of metabolism.  One iron-heme unit can transport one oxygen molecule from the lungs to the cellular mitochondrial power houses.  The 'fixations' of oxygen and nitrogen are strictly atomic.  Where is the aether, when we need it?  What do we breathe in heaven?  

How can I remain an immaterialist after watching any of the wonderful cellular animations on youTube?  It is a challenge, for sure.  Unless, beyond the anime, there is animism.  Might we reasonably wonder if the animations may lead us to better appreciate the complexity.  As the known complexity increases, the problems of coordination and self-organization loom larger.  Is there no breaking point, where sheer mechanism no longer suffices?  Does QM allow us to transcend mechanism w/o also transcending nature?  May QM be invoked w/o also invoking strong emergence..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence#Strong_and_weak_emergence ?  

The quantum resides on the verge of animism and vitalism.  It would take nary a nudge to push it over that edge.  Jack Sarfatti and many others invoke allegedly minor emmendations that they claim will accomplish this feat.  The physics establishment is understandably wary of the 'minor' variations, very sensibly sensing a slippery, nay, a greased slope into a quagmire of vitalism.  

While the timid spirits stand at the edge of the precipice, wringing their hands, chicken little takes the leap.  Is it a leap of faith or of desperation?  Is there a difference?

Clearly, QM is suggestive of vitalism and teleology, but can it be said to provide a path to transcending atomism in any very substantial manner? In short, may it be viewed as a bridge to immaterialism? Or is it merely a convenient launching pad for flights of fancy?

This question looms largest in the field of AI, where quantum computing is often invoked as a way to transcend the limitations of classical AI.

But, as an immaterialist, I have to question whether the quantum
is a cause or rather a symptom of an overriding Telos.



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I am watching Richard Dawkins debate John Lennox.... Has Science Buried God? which is also the title of John's book which I have just downloaded.  I will give a synopsis of both........

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t9t6Fkhu_MA

13' in... and this is the best such debate I've seen.

This was from '06.  John has  also written another recent book.... http://www.amazon.com/Gunning-God-JOHN-C-LENNOX-ebook/dp/B005YZX2IS/ which I've also downloaded.  


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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qH68Y5MUGfo

Now I'm watching Hitchens debate Lennox, NTBM......




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Dan, Mad Max explains the multiverse 

Gary,

Thanks for posting Max's synopsis of his version of Meinongian ontology, wherein everything that can exist will exist.  I tend to agree with Max in so far as I suppose that logic allows only the best possible world to exist.  The also rans just can't aquire sufficient ontological gravity to make the full trip from potentiality to actuality.  They don't have a strong enough of a 'strap' to bootstrap themselves into existence, and thank goodness for that.  

Also I want to recommend the Closer to Truth website on which this interview resides.  I had been trying to recall its name.  TBMK, it has the best collection of videos on Cosmos, Consciousness and God.  


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In the meantime, I've been watching more of Christopher Hitchens. After decimating Lennox, Hitchens was bested by WL Craig at Biola. I found neither debate particularly edifying. There was too much emphasis on scoring points, without getting to the heart of the matter.

But I can see how poorly the BPWH would fare in the public arena, as that arena is presently defined.



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http://www.fqxi.org/data/documents/conferences/2014-talks/Tegmark.pdf

Gary,

That was an interesting set of slides.  I could understand most of them, individually, and it seems as though someone were trying to make a point.  I'm sure that Paul could make more out of it than I was able to.  

Paul and and I had a conversation yesterday about your's and Max's multiversity.  He wants to engage with you on that topic.  It has a lot to do with inflation, and that we are probably talking about two kinds or regimes of inflation, which is confusing the issue..... there are pre- and post-big-bang regimes of inflation.  The former was introduced by Linde, and Guth remains somewhat aloof to it.  It is referred to as eternal inflation, whereas the latter might be referenced as internal inflation.  

Also, Paul pointed out that Linde comes from the Lebedev institute, along with Mensky and Novikov.  Here is an interesting cabal of fringe physicists.  

He points out that multiversity has been getting rather more hype in the media than it is actually getting in academia.  And we also wonder what multiversity has to do with informationalism.  

I wonder what informationalism has to do with the ether.  Surely, though, inflation has everthing to do with the quantum vacuum.  

Mensky is noted for his EEC, extended Everett concept, wherein he turns around the original Everett MWI, and instead of having consciousness act as the splitting agent, Michael has consciousness acting more as a mediating agent. That might give us another handle on the ether.




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