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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?
Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin
With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
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Atmospheric Water Found On Alien Worlds
Tuesday, December 3, 2013 11:25
(Before It's News)
Using the powerful eye of NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope, two teams of scientists have found faint signatures of water in the atmospheres of five distant planets.
The presence of atmospheric water was reported previously on a few exoplanets orbiting stars beyond our solar system, but this is the first study to conclusively measure and compare the profiles and intensities of these signatures on multiple worlds.
Although exoplanets are too far away to be imaged, detailed studies of their size, composition and atmospheric makeup are possible. This video explains how researchers investigate those characteristics.
Image Credit: NASA Goddard/ESA/Hubble
The five planets — WASP-17b, HD209458b, WASP-12b, WASP-19b and XO-1b — orbit nearby stars. The strengths of their water signatures varied. WASP-17b, a planet with an especially puffed-up atmosphere, and HD209458b had the strongest signals. The signatures for the other three planets, WASP-12b, WASP-19b and XO-1b, also are consistent with water.
NASA scientists found faint signatures of water in the atmospheres of five distant planets orbiting three different stars. All five planets appear to be hazy. This illustration shows a star’s light illuminating the atmosphere of a planet.
Image Credit: NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center
“We’re very confident that we see a water signature for multiple planets,” said Avi Mandell, a planetary scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., and lead author of an Astrophysical Journal paper, published today, describing the findings for WASP-12b, WASP-17b and WASP-19b. “This work really opens the door for comparing how much water is present in atmospheres on different kinds of exoplanets, for example hotter versus cooler ones.”
The studies were part of a census of exoplanet atmospheres led by L. Drake Deming of the University of Maryland in College Park. Both teams used Hubble’s Wide Field Camera 3 to explore the details of absorption of light through the planets’ atmospheres. The observations were made in a range of infrared wavelengths where the water signature, if present, would appear. The teams compared the shapes and intensities of the absorption profiles, and the consistency of the signatures gave them confidence they saw water. The observations demonstrate Hubble’s continuing exemplary performance in exoplanet research.
“To actually detect the atmosphere of an exoplanet is extraordinarily difficult. But we were able to pull out a very clear signal, and it is water,” said Deming, whose team reported results for HD209458b and XO-1b in a Sept. 10 paper in the same journal. Deming’s team employed a new technique with longer exposure times, which increased the sensitivity of their measurements.
To determine what’s in the atmosphere of an exoplanet, astronomers watch the planet pass in front of its host star and look at which wavelengths of light are transmitted and which are partially absorbed.
Image Credit: NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center
The water signals were all less pronounced than expected, and the scientists suspect this is because a layer of haze or dust blankets each of the five planets. This haze can reduce the intensity of all signals from the atmosphere in the same way fog can make colors in a photograph appear muted. At the same time, haze alters the profiles of water signals and other important molecules in a distinctive way.
The five planets are hot Jupiters, massive worlds that orbit close to their host stars. The researchers were initially surprised that all five appeared to be hazy. But Deming and Mandell noted that other researchers are finding evidence of haze around exoplanets.
“These studies, combined with other Hubble observations, are showing us that there are a surprisingly large number of systems for which the signal of water is either attenuated or completely absent,” said Heather Knutson of the California Institute of Technology, a co-author on Deming’s paper. “This suggests that cloudy or hazy atmospheres may in fact be rather common for hot Jupiters.”
Hubble’s high-performance Wide Field Camera 3 is one of few capable of peering into the atmospheres of exoplanets many trillions of miles away. These exceptionally challenging studies can be done only if the planets are spotted while they are passing in front of their stars. Researchers can identify the gases in a planet’s atmosphere by determining which wavelengths of the star’s light are transmitted and which are partially absorbed.
Contacts and sources:
Elizabeth Zubritsky
NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Atmospheric Water Found On Alien Worlds
Tuesday, December 3, 2013 11:25
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(Before It's News)
Using the powerful eye of NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope, two teams of scientists have found faint signatures of water in the atmospheres of five distant planets.
The presence of atmospheric water was reported previously on a few exoplanets orbiting stars beyond our solar system, but this is the first study to conclusively measure and compare the profiles and intensities of these signatures on multiple worlds.
Although exoplanets are too far away to be imaged, detailed studies of their size, composition and atmospheric makeup are possible. This video explains how researchers investigate those characteristics.
Image Credit: NASA Goddard/ESA/Hubble
The five planets — WASP-17b, HD209458b, WASP-12b, WASP-19b and XO-1b — orbit nearby stars. The strengths of their water signatures varied. WASP-17b, a planet with an especially puffed-up atmosphere, and HD209458b had the strongest signals. The signatures for the other three planets, WASP-12b, WASP-19b and XO-1b, also are consistent with water.
NASA scientists found faint signatures of water in the atmospheres of five distant planets orbiting three different stars. All five planets appear to be hazy. This illustration shows a star’s light illuminating the atmosphere of a planet.
Image Credit: NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center
“We’re very confident that we see a water signature for multiple planets,” said Avi Mandell, a planetary scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., and lead author of an Astrophysical Journal paper, published today, describing the findings for WASP-12b, WASP-17b and WASP-19b. “This work really opens the door for comparing how much water is present in atmospheres on different kinds of exoplanets, for example hotter versus cooler ones.”
The studies were part of a census of exoplanet atmospheres led by L. Drake Deming of the University of Maryland in College Park. Both teams used Hubble’s Wide Field Camera 3 to explore the details of absorption of light through the planets’ atmospheres. The observations were made in a range of infrared wavelengths where the water signature, if present, would appear. The teams compared the shapes and intensities of the absorption profiles, and the consistency of the signatures gave them confidence they saw water. The observations demonstrate Hubble’s continuing exemplary performance in exoplanet research.
“To actually detect the atmosphere of an exoplanet is extraordinarily difficult. But we were able to pull out a very clear signal, and it is water,” said Deming, whose team reported results for HD209458b and XO-1b in a Sept. 10 paper in the same journal. Deming’s team employed a new technique with longer exposure times, which increased the sensitivity of their measurements.
To determine what’s in the atmosphere of an exoplanet, astronomers watch the planet pass in front of its host star and look at which wavelengths of light are transmitted and which are partially absorbed.
Image Credit: NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center
The water signals were all less pronounced than expected, and the scientists suspect this is because a layer of haze or dust blankets each of the five planets. This haze can reduce the intensity of all signals from the atmosphere in the same way fog can make colors in a photograph appear muted. At the same time, haze alters the profiles of water signals and other important molecules in a distinctive way.
The five planets are hot Jupiters, massive worlds that orbit close to their host stars. The researchers were initially surprised that all five appeared to be hazy. But Deming and Mandell noted that other researchers are finding evidence of haze around exoplanets.
“These studies, combined with other Hubble observations, are showing us that there are a surprisingly large number of systems for which the signal of water is either attenuated or completely absent,” said Heather Knutson of the California Institute of Technology, a co-author on Deming’s paper. “This suggests that cloudy or hazy atmospheres may in fact be rather common for hot Jupiters.”
Hubble’s high-performance Wide Field Camera 3 is one of few capable of peering into the atmospheres of exoplanets many trillions of miles away. These exceptionally challenging studies can be done only if the planets are spotted while they are passing in front of their stars. Researchers can identify the gases in a planet’s atmosphere by determining which wavelengths of the star’s light are transmitted and which are partially absorbed.
Contacts and sources:
Elizabeth Zubritsky
NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
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| Hussam Ayloush's Tribute to Siraj Wahhaj Posted: 04 Dec 2013 09:32 AM PST Gary Fouse fousesquawk http://garyfouse.blogspot.com Siraj Wahhaj Hussam Ayloush "One of the most prominent and respected religious leaders in America" -Hussam Ayloush, November 16, 2013 in Riverside referring to New York imam Siraj Wahhaj On November 16, the director of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) for Southern California, Hussam Ayloush, spoke before the Universalist Unitarian Church in Riverside, California on the on-going crisis in Syria. During the question and answer session, he was asked by a member of the audience (me) about the fact that the previous week during the annual CAIR conference in Anaheim, one of the featured speakers was Imam Siraj Wahhaj from New York. Wahhaj has referred to the US on video tape as a "garbage can", has repeatedly called for an Islamic takeover of the US, and was a character witness for the so-called "Blind Sheikh", Omar Abdel Rahman, currently serving a life sentence for his involvement in a plot to blow up New York City. In his response to the questioner (me), Ayloush called Wahhaj, "one of the most prominent and respected religious leaders in America" and accused the questioner (me) of being a bigoted Islamophobe. The exchange can be viewed here at the 2:50 mark of the 4th video. Here is what the questioner was referring to. First, the statement of Wahhaj that America is a garbage can. As stated by the questioner in Riverside, Wahhaj testified as a character witness for Abdel Rahman at his trial. The transcript can be viewed here.(Hat tip Investigative Project on Terrorism) Not only did Wahhaj testify as a character witness for Abdel Rahman, he himself was listed as an "unindicted co-conspirator" in the case (number 158). (Hat tip Peter Lance.com) And if you are looking for quotes of Wahhaj advocating an Islamic takeover of America, you don't have far to look (Hat tip Clarion Project). http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/popular-muslim-iman-working-towards-sharia-america “Islam is better than democracy. Allah will cause his deen [Islam as a complete way of life], Islam to prevail over every kind of system, and you know what? It will happen.” "If only Muslims were clever politically, they could take over the United States and replace its constitutional government with a caliphate. If we were united and strong, we’d elect our own emir and give allegiance to him. Take my word, if eight million Muslims unite in America, the country will come to us.” “We don’t need to arm the people with 9mms and Uzis. You need to arm them with righteousness first. And once you arm them with righteousness first, then you can arm them.” This, Ladies and Gentleman, is Siraj Wahhaj, the man whom CAIR's Hussam Ayloush described in Riverside on November 20 as, "one of the most prominent and respected religious leaders in the US." No doubt. |
Is it the stripes or the spots you see?
Was it hearts or diamonds Baby, brought you here to me?
Darling you know better than to trust a pack of cards!
What have we learned? The world is never as mad as it could be!
Never as mad as it could be!
If I leave my grin behind remind me, that we're all mad here
And its ok.
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- Vatican Extraterrestrial Inquest? Strategic Perspectives speaker raises eyebrows
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This is one of those classic moments where, approaching things with fair journalism in mind, I have to implore my readers to understand that this article is not written for those who believe in aliens, or those who do not believe in aliens, or for that matter, those who are undecided. No, in fact, it does not matter what you believe about extraterrestrial life… Regarding all of the items I touch on below (including some ideas that will very likely shock you), it is what the Vatican is doing on Mt. Graham and what they believe, and what they are preparing to do with their research that will affect the globe.
As thoroughly researched and exposed in Exo-Vaticana by Tom Horn and Cris Putnam, on a mountain in southeastern Arizona, the Vatican is using the largest and some of the most sophisticated space equipment for more than just stargazing. As Horn relates in his Strategic Perspectives lecture, in an interview between Art Bell and Malachi Martin, this is “because at the highest levels of Vatican governance and geopolitics, they know what is approaching the Earth, and that it will be of the utmost importance in coming years.” Conferences and gatherings including personalities of the oldest, most prolifically intelligent scientific bodies in the world have come together to discuss “the detection of extraterrestrial life and the consequences for science and society.”
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When the public began to react to the news of these conferences and what was being quite openly addressed, the Vatican responded by sending out Jose Gabriel Funes, the head director of the VORG (Vatican Observatory Research Group), to inform the media that these meetings were “just in case” because the Vatican had made mistakes before, and they didn’t want to trample on scientific thought. Funes struck a chord again when he added, “The extraterrestrial is our brother.” (Yes, you read that correctly.) “And furthermore, he said, it is not only [compatible] with Christianity to believe in extraterrestrial intelligence…if you do not believe in extraterrestrial intelligence, then that is the heresy, because, he said, it puts limits on God’s creative ability.”
-- and there's a lot more at link above. Cy
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Cyrellys wrote:
If I leave my grin behind remind me, that we're all mad here
And its ok.
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Good video on the Strawman definition, MD02.
Here's another piece on ET
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/05/Odds-of-alien-life-very-high--House-panel-hears
and your second video on British Petroleum...lol Terry. Is it synchronicity that Toastmasters on Tuesday wants to focus on cliches?
It's a small world, and we are so fortunate to have jerks like BP trying to crack the crust open in exchange for a slap on the hands.
Cy
Here's another piece on ET
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/05/Odds-of-alien-life-very-high--House-panel-hears
and your second video on British Petroleum...lol Terry. Is it synchronicity that Toastmasters on Tuesday wants to focus on cliches?
It's a small world, and we are so fortunate to have jerks like BP trying to crack the crust open in exchange for a slap on the hands.
Cy
In what world is it ok to ram a "secrets" bill through a government legislature:
http://enenews.com/japan-official-this-is-the-way-the-reign-of-terror-begins-lawmaker-physically-restrained-as-secrets-bill-rammed-through-final-passage-expected-in-hours-photos
But not ok to pray to Jesus even though it is your religion and cultural heritage to do so, just because some other culture believes seeing someone else doing so is offensive by their culture?
http://beforeitsnews.com/religion/2013/12/duck-dynasty-told-to-stop-praying-in-jesus-name-because-it-offended-muslims-video-2459920.html
But it's ok cause we're all mad here!
One hard look...
http://enenews.com/japan-official-this-is-the-way-the-reign-of-terror-begins-lawmaker-physically-restrained-as-secrets-bill-rammed-through-final-passage-expected-in-hours-photos
But not ok to pray to Jesus even though it is your religion and cultural heritage to do so, just because some other culture believes seeing someone else doing so is offensive by their culture?
http://beforeitsnews.com/religion/2013/12/duck-dynasty-told-to-stop-praying-in-jesus-name-because-it-offended-muslims-video-2459920.html
But it's ok cause we're all mad here!
One hard look...
Many would arguee with that headline. Can't say that I blame them.
I was watching a video that defined them as EXTRA-terrestrial, not aliens. Aliens would be from a separate biosphere.
Don't forget the Gifts of Light. Get those lights up! The holidays approaching fast and snow is hitting the ground as I type this.
I was watching a video that defined them as EXTRA-terrestrial, not aliens. Aliens would be from a separate biosphere.
Don't forget the Gifts of Light. Get those lights up! The holidays approaching fast and snow is hitting the ground as I type this.
A must read:
http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/12/06/crystal-clear-washingtons-war-on-whistleblowing-is-un-american/
http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/12/06/crystal-clear-washingtons-war-on-whistleblowing-is-un-american/
All hell breaking loose at Infowars comment section, over an oathbreaking Army officer's unconstitutional comment: http://www.infowars.com/army-officer-we-will-pry-your-guns-from-your-cold-dead-fingers/
and that ain't all...
Source: http://www.infowars.com/spying-spooks-throw-it-in-americans-faces-with-new-octopus-engulfing-world-logo/
However, this is the criminally insane military industrial complex usurped government we’re referring to, so Instead they’re putting world-eating Octopus logos on the side of spy satellites and tweeting about it.
Here’s a photograph of the launch of NROL-39, the latest government spy satellite being overseen by The National Reconnaissance Office, which provides signals intelligence to the NSA, among other agencies. The NRO is considered one of the “big 5″ spy agencies.
The program is classified, but ‘what the hell, let’s tweet about it’ was presumably the conclusion of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the over-arching agency that the NRO reports to.
And to really rub it in Americans’ faces about how we spy on them and the entire world, lets slap on a logo featuring an octopus enveloping the world with its tentacles, with the words “Nothing is beyond our reach.”
https://twitter.com/ODNIgov/status/408712553179533312
Really subtle. This would be akin to the DoD sticking the grim reaper on it’s unmanned drone program as a logo… oh wait it did do that.
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and that ain't all...
Source: http://www.infowars.com/spying-spooks-throw-it-in-americans-faces-with-new-octopus-engulfing-world-logo/
However, this is the criminally insane military industrial complex usurped government we’re referring to, so Instead they’re putting world-eating Octopus logos on the side of spy satellites and tweeting about it.
Here’s a photograph of the launch of NROL-39, the latest government spy satellite being overseen by The National Reconnaissance Office, which provides signals intelligence to the NSA, among other agencies. The NRO is considered one of the “big 5″ spy agencies.
The program is classified, but ‘what the hell, let’s tweet about it’ was presumably the conclusion of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the over-arching agency that the NRO reports to.
And to really rub it in Americans’ faces about how we spy on them and the entire world, lets slap on a logo featuring an octopus enveloping the world with its tentacles, with the words “Nothing is beyond our reach.”
https://twitter.com/ODNIgov/status/408712553179533312
Really subtle. This would be akin to the DoD sticking the grim reaper on it’s unmanned drone program as a logo… oh wait it did do that.
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"That he can boast these achievements brings an assumed gravitas to the discussion he wants to start simply with his credentials. When such a man speaks out, there is a natural presumption of authority.
The problem is, his arguments don't live up to that expectation, and rather quickly fall apart with just a superficial analysis."
Source from EMAIL continues the topic of the Lt Col on coming gun confiscation which is part and parcel to the central issue in man's struggle to re-establish the expression of nature positive upon the proverbial option - self authority:
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A firestorm has been started on Esquire's The Politics Blog with a Tuesday opinion piece by Lt. Col. Robert Bateman titled "It's time to talk about guns and the Supreme Court." He not only takes SCOTUS and Justice Antonin Scalia to task for their Heller decision interpretation of the Second Amendment, but goes on to propose citizen disarmament edicts that dispense with false assurances given by some in the gun ban camp that nobody wants to take our guns away.
Bateman does, big time, and makes no bones about it. In a way, he's done us a service by giving a glimpse of the end game less candid incrementalists are inching toward.
Per his profile at Small Wars Journal, he "is an infantryman, historian and prolific writer. Bateman was a Military Fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) and has taught Military History at the U.S. Military Academy."
That he can boast these achievements brings an assumed gravitas to the discussion he wants to start simply with his credentials. When such a man speaks out, there is a natural presumption of authority.
The problem is, his arguments don't live up to that expectation, and rather quickly fall apart with just a superficial analysis.
The Second Amendment only protects a well regulated militia, he argues. "As of 1903," he maintains, "the 'militia' has been known as the National Guard."
Actually, the resulting United States Code also recognized the "unorganized militia" to include "members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia," but Bateman dismisses thatresponding to a comment poster that "they are not 'well regulated' [and] are therefore not the body considered in the 2nd Amendment as protected."
There are two problems with Bateman's assertions in addition to the obvious one that he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about: First, as the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the United States Senate Ninety-Seventh Congress documented, "Congress has established the present National Guard under its own power to raise armies, expressly stating that it was not doing so under its power to organize and arm the militia."
As for who is protected by the Second Amendment, it's the people, just like it says. Alexander Hamilton addressed "well regulated" in The Federalist No. 29, conceding "To oblige the great body of the yeomanry, and of the other classes of the citizens, to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well-regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss...Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed and equipped … "
Hamilton recognized that soldiering is a profession, and knew that people had farms to work, shops to tend, trades to ply. But the value of them being "properly armed and equipped" was nonetheless recognized, even if they weren't "well regulated" as a body -- what regulation they would be subjected to would come if and when mustered, but there was no precondition on arms ownership imposed on what they could possess outside of militia duty.
As wrong as he is on chastising SCOTUS for "flunk[ing] basic high school history," that's not where Bateman has generated the most applause from his "progressive" followers and the most contempt from gun rightsadvocates. That comes when he tells us about laws he'd like to see enacted.
He wants to end the practice of police being able to auction seized weapons. He wants to do a nationwide "buyback." He wants to nationalize arms manufacturers. He wants draconian and escalating ammunition taxes.
But wait, as late TV pitchman Billy Mays used to say, there's more.
He wants to limit private gun ownership to "Smoothbore or Rifled muzzle-loading blackpowder muskets … Double-barrel breech-loading shotguns [and] Bolt-action rifles with a magazine capacity no greater than five rounds."
"We will pry your gun from your cold, dead, fingers," Bateman threatens. So much for the illusion of civilian control of the military, although it does drive home the fear the Founders had of a standing army.
"That is because I am willing to wait until you die, hopefully of natural causes," he explains.
"Hopefully," but not necessarily, Colonel? Will you also wait for my heirs?
"When you die your weapons must be turned into the local police department, which will then destroy them," he dictates. "Weapons of historical significance will be de-milled, but may be preserved."
While he doesn't flesh out how all this will be enforced, he does offer some chilling clues.
"My entire adult life has been dedicated to the deliberate management of violence," he explains. "There are no two ways around that fact. My job, at the end of the day, is about killing. I orchestrate violence.
"I am really good at my job," he self-assesses.
Ah, that monopoly of violence the "progressives" are so intent on crushing the Republic under …
Still, since he started the conversation in this direction, it would be helpful if Oberstleutnant Bateman would provide some specifics.
What happens if some of us say "No"? What happens if some of us resist? Creatively? Give us some scenarios here. I mean, after all, you guys have jets and tanks andnukes and everything.
Flesh your jackbooted terror campaign of national conquest out for us. Tell us about that violence you will organize, you ridiculous and contemptible totalitarian.
Jeez, Bob, we're not scared of you and we are everywhere. What now?
Well, it might be the time to remind ourselves that before he proved what he was really made of, one of our greatest military heroes was Benedict Arnold.[/font][/font][/color][/ltr]
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Source: http://www.examiner.com/article/gun-ban-group-goes-nuclear-latest-hysterical-attack-on-rights-advocate
To understand that, we need to understand what Hofmann was directly responding to, and in typical Horwitz fashion, that essential bit of enlightenment is intentionally left out. He mentions the road chicken lady, but he doesn’t give her full statement, which included this interesting assertion:
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"That he can boast these achievements brings an assumed gravitas to the discussion he wants to start simply with his credentials. When such a man speaks out, there is a natural presumption of authority.
The problem is, his arguments don't live up to that expectation, and rather quickly fall apart with just a superficial analysis."
Source from EMAIL continues the topic of the Lt Col on coming gun confiscation which is part and parcel to the central issue in man's struggle to re-establish the expression of nature positive upon the proverbial option - self authority:
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A firestorm has been started on Esquire's The Politics Blog with a Tuesday opinion piece by Lt. Col. Robert Bateman titled "It's time to talk about guns and the Supreme Court." He not only takes SCOTUS and Justice Antonin Scalia to task for their Heller decision interpretation of the Second Amendment, but goes on to propose citizen disarmament edicts that dispense with false assurances given by some in the gun ban camp that nobody wants to take our guns away.
Bateman does, big time, and makes no bones about it. In a way, he's done us a service by giving a glimpse of the end game less candid incrementalists are inching toward.
Per his profile at Small Wars Journal, he "is an infantryman, historian and prolific writer. Bateman was a Military Fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) and has taught Military History at the U.S. Military Academy."
That he can boast these achievements brings an assumed gravitas to the discussion he wants to start simply with his credentials. When such a man speaks out, there is a natural presumption of authority.
The problem is, his arguments don't live up to that expectation, and rather quickly fall apart with just a superficial analysis.
The Second Amendment only protects a well regulated militia, he argues. "As of 1903," he maintains, "the 'militia' has been known as the National Guard."
Actually, the resulting United States Code also recognized the "unorganized militia" to include "members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia," but Bateman dismisses thatresponding to a comment poster that "they are not 'well regulated' [and] are therefore not the body considered in the 2nd Amendment as protected."
There are two problems with Bateman's assertions in addition to the obvious one that he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about: First, as the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the United States Senate Ninety-Seventh Congress documented, "Congress has established the present National Guard under its own power to raise armies, expressly stating that it was not doing so under its power to organize and arm the militia."
As for who is protected by the Second Amendment, it's the people, just like it says. Alexander Hamilton addressed "well regulated" in The Federalist No. 29, conceding "To oblige the great body of the yeomanry, and of the other classes of the citizens, to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well-regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss...Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed and equipped … "
Hamilton recognized that soldiering is a profession, and knew that people had farms to work, shops to tend, trades to ply. But the value of them being "properly armed and equipped" was nonetheless recognized, even if they weren't "well regulated" as a body -- what regulation they would be subjected to would come if and when mustered, but there was no precondition on arms ownership imposed on what they could possess outside of militia duty.
As wrong as he is on chastising SCOTUS for "flunk[ing] basic high school history," that's not where Bateman has generated the most applause from his "progressive" followers and the most contempt from gun rightsadvocates. That comes when he tells us about laws he'd like to see enacted.
He wants to end the practice of police being able to auction seized weapons. He wants to do a nationwide "buyback." He wants to nationalize arms manufacturers. He wants draconian and escalating ammunition taxes.
But wait, as late TV pitchman Billy Mays used to say, there's more.
He wants to limit private gun ownership to "Smoothbore or Rifled muzzle-loading blackpowder muskets … Double-barrel breech-loading shotguns [and] Bolt-action rifles with a magazine capacity no greater than five rounds."
"We will pry your gun from your cold, dead, fingers," Bateman threatens. So much for the illusion of civilian control of the military, although it does drive home the fear the Founders had of a standing army.
"That is because I am willing to wait until you die, hopefully of natural causes," he explains.
"Hopefully," but not necessarily, Colonel? Will you also wait for my heirs?
"When you die your weapons must be turned into the local police department, which will then destroy them," he dictates. "Weapons of historical significance will be de-milled, but may be preserved."
While he doesn't flesh out how all this will be enforced, he does offer some chilling clues.
"My entire adult life has been dedicated to the deliberate management of violence," he explains. "There are no two ways around that fact. My job, at the end of the day, is about killing. I orchestrate violence.
"I am really good at my job," he self-assesses.
Ah, that monopoly of violence the "progressives" are so intent on crushing the Republic under …
Still, since he started the conversation in this direction, it would be helpful if Oberstleutnant Bateman would provide some specifics.
What happens if some of us say "No"? What happens if some of us resist? Creatively? Give us some scenarios here. I mean, after all, you guys have jets and tanks andnukes and everything.
Flesh your jackbooted terror campaign of national conquest out for us. Tell us about that violence you will organize, you ridiculous and contemptible totalitarian.
Jeez, Bob, we're not scared of you and we are everywhere. What now?
Well, it might be the time to remind ourselves that before he proved what he was really made of, one of our greatest military heroes was Benedict Arnold.[/font][/font][/color][/ltr]
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Source: http://www.examiner.com/article/gun-ban-group-goes-nuclear-latest-hysterical-attack-on-rights-advocate
To understand that, we need to understand what Hofmann was directly responding to, and in typical Horwitz fashion, that essential bit of enlightenment is intentionally left out. He mentions the road chicken lady, but he doesn’t give her full statement, which included this interesting assertion:
Hofmann then goes on to offer another quote from other CSGV citizen disarmament allies, in this case, The Daily Collegian, which told their readers:Now the government has nukes, automatic weapons and sniper rifles.
Two separate mentions by committed anti-gunners of using nukes against Americans in America? Yeah, I know, it's beyond stupid, but they're the ones who introduced it into the argument (and it's actually one the antis have made for years). Noting how ridiculously insane it is, using WMDs against U.S. citizens is what the allies of CSGV believe is a legitimate threat to make against gun rights activists?While the Framers of the Constitution intended the Second Amendment to curb the arbitrary use of power by the federal government, not even a million gun-slinging Texans could hope to counter the power of the U.S. government today, backed in full force by the world’s largest nuclear arsenal.
Any of this on authority sound familiar in lew of recent OMF conversations across three threads?
Hat tip.
Cy
FiOs.
Hat tip.
Cy
FiOs.
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Someone I met at the gathering.
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Victiora Parks
Had to Laugh!
Do you think Alice has anything constructive for me yet or is she going to just Muse me?
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Victiora Parks
Had to Laugh!
Do you think Alice has anything constructive for me yet or is she going to just Muse me?
Beautiful voice.
On Alice? I don't know at the moment.
The inhabitants of the rabbit hole have some substantial issues nipping at their heels I think. Maybe not enough to draw them from their orders but enough to keep their heads down and lips sealed for now.
Hey did you hear? (it made the nightly news today) The NSA is 'infiltrating' the intellectual depths of the World of Warcraft and Second Life communities to look for "threats".
Seeing as how I'm a member of Second Life, under my name Cyrellys, I wonder if I've met any? If I ever do I should probably refrain from asking "does this gown make me look fat?" since any yes response might be grounds for getting myself lynched, tazed, and locked up for "indecent exposure". You know wearing frills is "just not allowed" anymore even if you do outrank their bosses.
Lol.
Cy
On Alice? I don't know at the moment.
The inhabitants of the rabbit hole have some substantial issues nipping at their heels I think. Maybe not enough to draw them from their orders but enough to keep their heads down and lips sealed for now.
Hey did you hear? (it made the nightly news today) The NSA is 'infiltrating' the intellectual depths of the World of Warcraft and Second Life communities to look for "threats".
Seeing as how I'm a member of Second Life, under my name Cyrellys, I wonder if I've met any? If I ever do I should probably refrain from asking "does this gown make me look fat?" since any yes response might be grounds for getting myself lynched, tazed, and locked up for "indecent exposure". You know wearing frills is "just not allowed" anymore even if you do outrank their bosses.
Lol.
Cy
Obama becomes first POTUS to mention Area 51?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/09/obama-area-51_n_4412310.html?1386600419&icid=maing-grid7%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl10%7Csec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D416767
Mr. Lots Of Laughs knows how to tell a good joke when he needs to. He sure spends enough of our $$$ on the side baby-sitting, monitoring, mentoring, etc. those associated with the ELFs.
I'm not talking about the Extremely Low type of Elf's either which may be an entirely differnent ballgame.
Giggle-Giggle. Go talk to the good friend who ran your transition team, Knuckle-head, then Lead.
Wish me luck, off to play the Lotto. Odds are in not in my favor, admittedly, but people are hit by lightning from time to time. Is it as rare as watching a grown man cry in public fan-fare? Even that happens from time to time.
I do put more priority in a good movie these days than the games Big Brother plays, if you could not already discern.
I'm not talking about the Extremely Low type of Elf's either which may be an entirely differnent ballgame.
Giggle-Giggle. Go talk to the good friend who ran your transition team, Knuckle-head, then Lead.
Wish me luck, off to play the Lotto. Odds are in not in my favor, admittedly, but people are hit by lightning from time to time. Is it as rare as watching a grown man cry in public fan-fare? Even that happens from time to time.
I do put more priority in a good movie these days than the games Big Brother plays, if you could not already discern.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/10/surveillance-theft-worlds-leading-authors
MD02 wrote:Mr. Lots Of Laughs knows how to tell a good joke when he needs to. He sure spends enough of our $$$ on the side baby-sitting, monitoring, mentoring, etc. those associated with the ELFs.
I'm not talking about the Extremely Low type of Elf's either which may be an entirely differnent ballgame.
Giggle-Giggle. Go talk to the good friend who ran your transition team, Knuckle-head, then Lead.
Wish me luck, off to play the Lotto. Odds are in not in my favor, admittedly, but people are hit by lightning from time to time. Is it as rare as watching a grown man cry in public fan-fare? Even that happens from time to time.
I do put more priority in a good movie these days than the games Big Brother plays, if you could not already discern.
Well in case you hadn't heard, Obama gets to claim being the first Prez to publicly mention Area 51
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/09/obama-area-51_n_4412310.html?1386600419&icid=maing-grid7%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl10%7Csec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D416767
and then there is the return of Podesta, and we know he has a definitive dog in the hunt...
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/10/us/politics/ex-clinton-aide-expected-to-join-obama.html?ref=us&_r=0
So just how much joking was really going on? Oh, he was just talking "climate change". Wink, wink.
Center for Equitable Growth, studying "the growing inequality in incomes and economic opportunity, and promote policies to close a gap that has worsened to levels last seen in the 1920s. "
How do you get the "right" people together in this type of political situation?
I could say more about functional ranches in the west being systematically bought up and taken out of production, employees except for skeleton crews being let go....efforts at acquistion and control of water resources...all of which is part of moving more of the population into the cities and onto welfare...makes 'em easier to control come D-Day.
Yeah funny funny. But not the leadership we would hope during D-Day. But it's good toward the depopulation agenda.
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Continuing....
so one could ask, is Obama shooting for that third term? Or is Podesta who worked Clinton's scandal & impeachment, here to hold the train together during fail-safe implementation of Obama's real documents/status to ensure he does not shoot a third term? Experience being necessary? And it kills two birds with one stone if you keep tabs on the march to unambiguous contact, 'er climate change. Yeah, climate change. Or as the progressives might be seeing it, "wealth redistribution?" i.e. the path to funding a global government? Lol.
I do recall that a global government is a "necessity" to openly participating in the greater community? If this is strictly a UTH situtation, then why would a global government be needed?
good question?
Cy
This is a shout out to the Babysitters. All Volunteers, I hope!?
Grin. Cheer up!
Grin. Cheer up!
I'm recommending all paradigm Experiencers AND Observers read all of Charles Halls books Millennial Hospitality Series this holiday season....may their holiday heart felt wishes run a little further afield reaching out to others.
If they have not already done so, now is the time.
Here's to a TW who dresses up to play slots in LV and shops out of catalogs. You go, girlfriend. Have fun.
If they have not already done so, now is the time.
Here's to a TW who dresses up to play slots in LV and shops out of catalogs. You go, girlfriend. Have fun.
And for the layman who is new to the paradigm...this article will give you an overview of the philosophies running the currents below the table in the various parts of the paradigm community. If the things you hear don't make sense make a few comparisons...
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Read three of them. 
MD02 wrote:Read three of them.
kewl beans. We have a friend in book VI.
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