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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?
Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin
With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
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Rue she said Protection
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This morning's Interview with Susan Lindauer on her Covert Report at Truth Frequency Radio was just fantastic! I wish we'd have had more time, we crammed a ton into the 2 hours and still didn't get everything out there.
But for those who want to listen: Catch it free replay for the rest of the day: http://tfrlive.com/the-covert-report-with-susan-lindauer-76756/
Last I checked she has not uploaded a description but that is the link I have for it at this point.
And here is my notes uploaded to Slideshare where you don't have to translate a odt file! Links in page.
https://www.slideshare.net/CyrellysGeibhendach1/bundy-update-geibhendach-notes
Questions always welcome.
Cy
But for those who want to listen: Catch it free replay for the rest of the day: http://tfrlive.com/the-covert-report-with-susan-lindauer-76756/
Last I checked she has not uploaded a description but that is the link I have for it at this point.
And here is my notes uploaded to Slideshare where you don't have to translate a odt file! Links in page.
https://www.slideshare.net/CyrellysGeibhendach1/bundy-update-geibhendach-notes
Questions always welcome.
Cy
Stopped by and listened to your interview this morning. You did a great job at explaining things which is not surprising because you are very articulate. It was great hearing your voice too! 
Thanks 99! Susan is a wonderful host and so energetic. I always learn a lot from her too. I wasn't aware of Utah's recent consternation over Trump's attempt to disconnect the globals from the national, state, public lands where the globals were using them as illicit collateral. But if they don't know the picture I presented on air, then it is totally understandable.
Me 2010:
Me 2017: with my hair tied up
A face to go with the voice.
@ the guy on FB, that's right you goober I'm NOT A BOT!
Me 2010:
Me 2017: with my hair tied up
A face to go with the voice.
@ the guy on FB, that's right you goober I'm NOT A BOT!
You are so lovely and you have that pristine 'little house on the prairie' look about you especially in that second photo. Thanks for sharing! I enjoyed listening to the podcast and will listen to it again when your interview is up on her page. I got there about a half hour late so I want to listen to the first part of it. Both of you are very passionate and persuasive in your POV on the Bundy case and other topics too. Looking forward to doing a re-listen of that interview and thanks for telling us about it!
It (interview) is up now on her page. It will only be free till midnight tonight then they charge for archive access. I always keep a download copy for myself.
You're welcome. I've been a reluctant then later dedicated Apprentice to Synchronicity...lol Source is not the easiest boss to work for! But I've had the grand tour of the paradigm, and Source is right...now is the time we deal with the big ticket problem, sink or swim.
You're welcome. I've been a reluctant then later dedicated Apprentice to Synchronicity...lol Source is not the easiest boss to work for! But I've had the grand tour of the paradigm, and Source is right...now is the time we deal with the big ticket problem, sink or swim.
Thanks for letting me know. Will listen to it tonight then. At any rate, even though we're not in agreement about everything, I still understand where you're coming from and I have great admiration for you!
no problem at all.
Cy is listening to music from her childhood...
Talking Heads singing Slippery People
Talking Heads singing Once In A Lifetime (Stop Making Sense)
Talking Heads singing Burning Down the House
QUOTE Video Caption:Over the course of three nights at Hollywood's Pantages Theatre in December 1983, filmmaker Jonathan Demme joined creative forces with cinematographer Jordan Cronenweth and Talking Heads ... and miracles occurred. Following a staging concept by singer-guitarist David Byrne, this euphoric concert film transcends that all-too-limited genre to become the greatest film of its kind. A guaranteed cure for anyone's blues, it's a celebration of music that never grows old, fuelled by the polyrhythmic pop-funk precision that was a Talking Heads trademark, and lit from within by the geeky supernova that is David Byrne.
Talking Heads singing Slippery People
Talking Heads singing Once In A Lifetime (Stop Making Sense)
Talking Heads singing Burning Down the House
QUOTE Video Caption:Over the course of three nights at Hollywood's Pantages Theatre in December 1983, filmmaker Jonathan Demme joined creative forces with cinematographer Jordan Cronenweth and Talking Heads ... and miracles occurred. Following a staging concept by singer-guitarist David Byrne, this euphoric concert film transcends that all-too-limited genre to become the greatest film of its kind. A guaranteed cure for anyone's blues, it's a celebration of music that never grows old, fuelled by the polyrhythmic pop-funk precision that was a Talking Heads trademark, and lit from within by the geeky supernova that is David Byrne.
Jefferson Starship! We Built This City!
Mr Roboto by Styx
Rock Me Amadeus by Falco
Mr Roboto by Styx
Rock Me Amadeus by Falco
Dire Straits - Money For Nothing
I Am A Man of Constant Sorrow - Soggy Bottom Boys
A Boy Named Sue by Johnny Cash
I Am A Man of Constant Sorrow - Soggy Bottom Boys
A Boy Named Sue by Johnny Cash
The Ring of Fire by Johnny Cash
Burning Ring of Fire...My Dad had that one on 8-Track heard it almost every weekend when he'd break them out to play.
Ghost Riders in the Sky - Johnny Cash
C.W. McCall - Convoy
Seen this movie so many times can recite many of the parts...
Other memories...singing cat food commercials with siblings, just because. No other reason, just because. (well maybe because it annoyed Mom).
Burning Ring of Fire...My Dad had that one on 8-Track heard it almost every weekend when he'd break them out to play.
Ghost Riders in the Sky - Johnny Cash
C.W. McCall - Convoy
Seen this movie so many times can recite many of the parts...
Other memories...singing cat food commercials with siblings, just because. No other reason, just because. (well maybe because it annoyed Mom).
Cyrellys wrote:This morning's Interview with Susan Lindauer on her Covert Report at Truth Frequency Radio was just fantastic! I wish we'd have had more time, we crammed a ton into the 2 hours and still didn't get everything out there.
But for those who want to listen: Catch it free replay for the rest of the day: http://tfrlive.com/the-covert-report-with-susan-lindauer-76756/
Last I checked she has not uploaded a description but that is the link I have for it at this point.
And here is my notes uploaded to Slideshare where you don't have to translate a odt file! Links in page.
https://www.slideshare.net/CyrellysGeibhendach1/bundy-update-geibhendach-notes
Questions always welcome.
Cy
So here in lies the 7 million dollar question: Did the government send a militarized force against the American People?
Proof of Paradigm:
Read all about it: https://thementalmilitia.net/2017/07/27/namquid-point-ranch-revolution/
Elias slams another home-run!
Information that depicts US continuing bio-weapons R&D in foreign nations including UKRAINE, AFGANISTAN, SWEDEN, GEORGIA, ET AL: http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/explosive-article-pentagon-bio-weapons/216505
Includes images depicting the use of cold war sentiments to cover for Illumined vs Celtic Diaspora ethnic bioweapons R&D. Continuation of ancient Global War.
Saved to offline file.
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Update on LV Shooting 2017:
The Hunt for the Mercenary Kill Team - Las Vegas Shooting - Part 75
Eyewitness account included...
Includes images depicting the use of cold war sentiments to cover for Illumined vs Celtic Diaspora ethnic bioweapons R&D. Continuation of ancient Global War.
Saved to offline file.
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Update on LV Shooting 2017:
The Hunt for the Mercenary Kill Team - Las Vegas Shooting - Part 75
Eyewitness account included...
StopTheCrime.net puts out Emergency Alert: Flu! Biological Warfare Attack
Includes info on Q-Fever Aerosolized, and Operation Whitecoat
Includes info on Q-Fever Aerosolized, and Operation Whitecoat
Latest on A.I. Google Reveals Automatic Machine Learning: A.I. Can Create Itself
https://www.inverse.com/article/31952-ai-google-machine-learning-automl
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FYI for my friends who are watching the earth changes...my comment on the situ is that as Humanity increases in negative conduct and chaos so too will the chaotic and violent seismic and volcanic activity. Both the earth and humanity are affected by the proximity of the cyclic cataclysm. People not knowing about it think their anger, over-reactions, tendency toward violence is their own decision when actually the emotion based-thinking is not, it's their body responding to the changes in the environment and their mind reacting to the body's reaction. The mind could be controlled if they knew and understood, but no one with any perceived authority is going to fill them in on whats happening because the ptb think they can't handle it...and the PTB right now have a bushel of other problems as they are systemically stripped of their traditional power and positions.
Cy
https://www.inverse.com/article/31952-ai-google-machine-learning-automl
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FYI for my friends who are watching the earth changes...my comment on the situ is that as Humanity increases in negative conduct and chaos so too will the chaotic and violent seismic and volcanic activity. Both the earth and humanity are affected by the proximity of the cyclic cataclysm. People not knowing about it think their anger, over-reactions, tendency toward violence is their own decision when actually the emotion based-thinking is not, it's their body responding to the changes in the environment and their mind reacting to the body's reaction. The mind could be controlled if they knew and understood, but no one with any perceived authority is going to fill them in on whats happening because the ptb think they can't handle it...and the PTB right now have a bushel of other problems as they are systemically stripped of their traditional power and positions.
Cy
Where is the water going?
Many would say that it's being ate up by the high population and the cities.
I say no.
Look, biologically speaking, what you ingest goes quite literally in one end and out the other! Your cells use fluids to exchange nutrients for toxins and then shunt the refuse out the bottom.
Moisture you exhale joins the moisture from the currents of the atmosphere to become available for the respiration of the planet's biome. It goes out as fast as it comes in.
But it is true the water is disappearing. No it's not aliens. No the atmosphere is not evaporating into space. Look down at your feet.
As the cyclic cataclysm makes another pass in this generation, the Earth is reacting. More (quantity) and more (frequent) volcanoes and earthquakes are happening. The land is rearranging itself. The north pole is shifting toward Siberia and Alaska is tipping south into the former position of Oregon, bringing with it melt of ice and release of hidden gasses formerly trapped in the permafrost.
We also see the ice caps breaking up and melting. OH GLOBAL WARMING! You cry! Not really...this is how pole shift naturally occurs with every passage. It fuels the rise and fall of glaciation around the planet. With it comes things like ground heating, sulfur releases, innundation of the underground places....
your fresh water during this period naturally disappears into new cracks and fissures deep underground. Water or moisture contact with magma and other hot areas causes cracking and sonic booms in the earth that reverberate thru the ground and across the sky bouncing off the atmosphere.
Electrical storms become more frequent responding to the energy in the earth, discharging against the electromagnetic shield of the planet. More tornadoes and hurricanes get bigger as the planet responds and reorganizes.
On a cellular level this is very traumatic and also very beneficial bringing about the rise of new species as cells in existing species are prompted to do new things that bring about new characteristics in individuals -- a re-patterning of dna sequences some spontaneous, others adaptive.
But back to your water. I pointed out that the changes in the earth is causing a high amount of the water to be drawn underground until the earth reacts also to the pressures of that moisture contacting the hot interior....remember they can only build DUMBS as deep as 10 miles due to technology limits and heating! The pressures caused cause further violence underground...being in the DUMBS was never a good idea. The ancient underground cities of the last violent passage didn't survive and what little did was eventually destroyed by the later rising sea levels and inundation thru rotten rock which by that time was not repairable due to loss of the ancient technology as equipment and knowledge failed those who had fought so long to preserve it.
Today's water loss to the depths is augmented by human stupidity like fracking and DUMB building. Those big underground cities they're currently building take water too you know. Fracking causes crustal cracking which of course lets even more water dribble into the deep.
There you go. More disclosure. You wanted to know. What will you do with the information now you know?
That folks is up to you.
Cy
An American Water Crisis Is Just Around The Corner And No One Is Talking About It
https://www.naturalblaze.com/2018/01/american-water-crisis.html
Many would say that it's being ate up by the high population and the cities.
I say no.
Look, biologically speaking, what you ingest goes quite literally in one end and out the other! Your cells use fluids to exchange nutrients for toxins and then shunt the refuse out the bottom.
Moisture you exhale joins the moisture from the currents of the atmosphere to become available for the respiration of the planet's biome. It goes out as fast as it comes in.
But it is true the water is disappearing. No it's not aliens. No the atmosphere is not evaporating into space. Look down at your feet.
As the cyclic cataclysm makes another pass in this generation, the Earth is reacting. More (quantity) and more (frequent) volcanoes and earthquakes are happening. The land is rearranging itself. The north pole is shifting toward Siberia and Alaska is tipping south into the former position of Oregon, bringing with it melt of ice and release of hidden gasses formerly trapped in the permafrost.
We also see the ice caps breaking up and melting. OH GLOBAL WARMING! You cry! Not really...this is how pole shift naturally occurs with every passage. It fuels the rise and fall of glaciation around the planet. With it comes things like ground heating, sulfur releases, innundation of the underground places....
your fresh water during this period naturally disappears into new cracks and fissures deep underground. Water or moisture contact with magma and other hot areas causes cracking and sonic booms in the earth that reverberate thru the ground and across the sky bouncing off the atmosphere.
Electrical storms become more frequent responding to the energy in the earth, discharging against the electromagnetic shield of the planet. More tornadoes and hurricanes get bigger as the planet responds and reorganizes.
On a cellular level this is very traumatic and also very beneficial bringing about the rise of new species as cells in existing species are prompted to do new things that bring about new characteristics in individuals -- a re-patterning of dna sequences some spontaneous, others adaptive.
But back to your water. I pointed out that the changes in the earth is causing a high amount of the water to be drawn underground until the earth reacts also to the pressures of that moisture contacting the hot interior....remember they can only build DUMBS as deep as 10 miles due to technology limits and heating! The pressures caused cause further violence underground...being in the DUMBS was never a good idea. The ancient underground cities of the last violent passage didn't survive and what little did was eventually destroyed by the later rising sea levels and inundation thru rotten rock which by that time was not repairable due to loss of the ancient technology as equipment and knowledge failed those who had fought so long to preserve it.
Today's water loss to the depths is augmented by human stupidity like fracking and DUMB building. Those big underground cities they're currently building take water too you know. Fracking causes crustal cracking which of course lets even more water dribble into the deep.
There you go. More disclosure. You wanted to know. What will you do with the information now you know?
That folks is up to you.
Cy
An American Water Crisis Is Just Around The Corner And No One Is Talking About It
https://www.naturalblaze.com/2018/01/american-water-crisis.html
New Q Posts!!
— QAnon Posts ???? (@QAnonPatriot) January 19, 2018
Was CNBC bomb meant to be false flag? ISIS? Fake ID's?
Please #RT and share this!!!
Follow me as I post screenshots of the latest Q posts!
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interesting.... https://t.co/ygY6X9QopS
— MIND MIX RADIO (@mindmixradio) January 19, 2018
3. Forgot the screenshot.#QAnon #ReleaseTheMemo pic.twitter.com/pHvvOIWUHz
— Lisa Mei Crowley (@LisaMei62) January 19, 2018
Twitter has gone absolutely NUTS!
Speaking of shaking trees and rocking out in a pile of truth on the edge of the galaxy...
OMF UN Meeting Redux:
Jeff & Clay & Shawn Pickering - Deep Source ‘Richard’, ETs, Jim Marrs - Pt 1
Intermission:
Technocrats will thus be able to build a global society and control its every facet, but in order to achieve these lofty goals, they need to re-program humans
http://webnewsorder.com/2017/agend-ruling-global-society-re-program-humans/
Pt 2: Coming up soon...(Tuesday)
FiOs.
Cy
Rue, she said, protection.
Rooster's crow, confusion.
One thing else to end the deed--
A Dog with no illusion.
~ The Book of the Dun Cow, by Walter Wangerin, Jr.
In the places I go there are things that I see
That I never could spell if I stopped with the Z.
I'm telling you this 'cause you're one of my friends.
My alphabet starts where your alphabet ends!
~ Dr. Seus
OMF UN Meeting Redux:
Jeff & Clay & Shawn Pickering - Deep Source ‘Richard’, ETs, Jim Marrs - Pt 1
Intermission:
Technocrats will thus be able to build a global society and control its every facet, but in order to achieve these lofty goals, they need to re-program humans
http://webnewsorder.com/2017/agend-ruling-global-society-re-program-humans/
Pt 2: Coming up soon...(Tuesday)
FiOs.
Cy
Rue, she said, protection.
Rooster's crow, confusion.
One thing else to end the deed--
A Dog with no illusion.
~ The Book of the Dun Cow, by Walter Wangerin, Jr.
In the places I go there are things that I see
That I never could spell if I stopped with the Z.
I'm telling you this 'cause you're one of my friends.
My alphabet starts where your alphabet ends!
~ Dr. Seus
Old Irish: Berla Feini
"Domun" (Berla Feini, n.) : The World; the Earth; Human Collective Existence
Quint:
The world has gone bonkers
Cy:
I'm feeling it...reeling from it
"Domun" (Berla Feini, n.) : The World; the Earth; Human Collective Existence
Quint:
The world has gone bonkers
Cy:
I'm feeling it...reeling from it
Mental Note: it's patently weird to be born speckled; to live life a product of the cómhla breac and the road to All-Being, yet called a 'materialist' and generally never really understood whilst the one you would think could track the multi-tier thinking in its interconnected tesseract the most proficiently doesn't get beyond the side walk at the edge of the wood. Sigh. Got other things to do. Have to be satisfied they're at least headed in the right direction for the moment!
On other matters...
The woodwork is alive, crawling chatter. Had a convo at twitter about it. Was probably a waste of time making the points. I'm not seeing any acknowledgement at this point as to how the cretins were able to establish the DS & SG. But they are at least focused on solving the problem. So traversing the current emergency then a revisitation of the root that produced it to nip it from a subsequent return...or worse, a same sort masquerading as altruistic intent.
On other matters...
The woodwork is alive, crawling chatter. Had a convo at twitter about it. Was probably a waste of time making the points. I'm not seeing any acknowledgement at this point as to how the cretins were able to establish the DS & SG. But they are at least focused on solving the problem. So traversing the current emergency then a revisitation of the root that produced it to nip it from a subsequent return...or worse, a same sort masquerading as altruistic intent.
Ackbar on D.Smith thread wrote://We're the mechanics that are brought in when your 'reality' is endangered.
Cy,
I have a question for you.
Is the fact that my 'reality' might be endangered something that you have reason to believe would be an undesirable thing for me?
I guess it's hard for you to know what my desires are. Suffice it to say, I desire to just exist, but that is the very base level desire. To take it a step further, I would desire to be in a state with the least amount of perceived physical pain and to take it even further, to exist in a state where I can reasonably maintain this degree of physical non-suffering for myself and my family.
At the most basic level, we have all been programmed for physical survival.
I will confess, very recently I have increased my food and water storage as a result of some of the things you have posted. I think it's better to be safe than sorry and I am an Eagle Scout mind you, so I try to live the scout motto.
I think the more important preparations for what is to come are internal preparations, preparations of the mind and soul. However, I think maybe both types of preparation should be exercised judicially but not obsessed over.
As far as my physical preparation goes, what have you done to prepare? According to what I have outlined as far as what my basic levels of content existence are, would you say I am in danger of loosing those things in the near future? If so, is there anything else I could do to avoid such events?
Feel free to PM me if you would like to take this discussion off the main thread.
//We're the mechanics that are brought in when your 'reality' is endangered.
Cy,
I have a question for you.
Is the fact that my 'reality' might be endangered something that you have reason to believe would be an undesirable thing for me?
It is my understanding from Source the endangerment is undesirable for all living things on this world. I personally agree with this based on my personal knowledge of the paradigm. I'm aware of many of the 'horrors' that the Qanon have declared to withhold from the general population. (via a variety of sources none of which are Q)
I guess it's hard for you to know what my desires are. Suffice it to say, I desire to just exist, but that is the very base level desire. To take it a step further, I would desire to be in a state with the least amount of perceived physical pain and to take it even further, to exist in a state where I can reasonably maintain this degree of physical non-suffering for myself and my family.
whilst I am able to read what is 'carried on the shirt-sleeve' I deliberately abide the ancient rule that the mind is sacred for it is a facet of the Soul and Free Will. Free Will...Choice is a God given Right of man. All men were created equal...Sovereign. The definition of Sovereign is SELF-OWNERSHIP. Nothing less, nothing more. It is your right to choose how you exercise your self-ownership. Because the Mind is a Sacred part of the Soul it is taboo to delve in one that is not your own.
At the most basic level, we have all been programmed for physical survival.
this is true. This landscape is a relatively safe place for Souls to experiment, experience, learn, evolve. Speaking personally I am a participant in the 'revolution (revolving door) of lifetimes'. The pursuit of Excellence that leads to All Being requires many lifetimes to achieve. This context was not included as I understand it in the teachings of Jesu who sought to answer his students particular questions and K.I.S.S. (keep it simple for the inquiring minds of their time period)
I will confess, very recently I have increased my food and water storage as a result of some of the things you have posted. I think it's better to be safe than sorry and I am an Eagle Scout mind you, so I try to live the scout motto.
this is prudent. I won't lie to you. In the grand tour Source took me on thru the paradigm, what I saw was very complex and very bad. It's a mess. Not one that cannot be resolved. Only a mess that is going to take time, and traversing many hurdles to arrive beyond.
You cannot be a positive participant in the human story at this time if you are needy. Try to avoid being desperately needy at all times to the best of your ability and then you will be able to help and uplift others who are. Begin with your basics as you are indicating.
Secure your Soul and be prepared to hear some ugly truths if they are disclosed. Be the shining and others will gravitate to you in time of need. Be humble.
Avoid violence where possible, but defend yourself, your loved ones, and your people if need be.
I think the more important preparations for what is to come are internal preparations, preparations of the mind and soul. However, I think maybe both types of preparation should be exercised judicially but not obsessed over.
Precisely correct. Face value is a celtic concept tied to honor. It is the people around you who determine your value not yourself, remember that. Cultivate a spiritual maturity in those around you.
Help them be the best of their potential. This will raise your face value automatically and improve everyone's odds in difficult circumstances.
No matter what happens, do not loose your 'cool'.
The mad man cannot fight, as we say and even the man of peace has his own way of fighting evil and chaos.
As far as my physical preparation goes, what have you done to prepare? According to what I have outlined as far as what my basic levels of content existence are, would you say I am in danger of loosing those things in the near future? If so, is there anything else I could do to avoid such events?
What I have done to prepare: I have 2 months of general basic food and supplies for my family. More than that is impractical as it makes you a target.
I and my family invest in skills not things.
The financially well endowed tend to focus on things...as in the last great cataclsym, things vanish in a heartbeat. What remains? Your self, your knowledge & hard earned wisdom, your relationships, and your face value. Treat each well to receive innate reciprocation.
I and my family live above 3000 feet above sea level with immediate ability to rapidly reach another 2500 feet up above that. -- see the information on the MISSING TIME thread today as to why.
We have a place in our community. No one can survive cataclysm alone. The old adages of more heads are better than one and strength in numbers is true in a worst case scenario.
I fulfill Source's expectations in the role assigned to me by it.
I have no illusions. Source put key individuals in fallback positions around the nation and even around the world as I've been hearing...not just here. Common Sense explains why that was done...in a world of Free Will, few things especially success in current endeavors and and survival are written in stone.
The greatest threat the current class of warriors are dealing with is a planetary depopulation intent with some events already having occurred. We've not missed a volley so far. But if we do, it could get ugly very quickly.
What do the system inhabitants (white hats) fear most? Societal Implosion.
Feel free to PM me if you would like to take this discussion off the main thread.
(see my answer above in italics, Cy)
WRT the last Q Drop (see light blue image 2 posts up)
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On Wednesday, January 24, 2018, 9:18:24 PM MST, Cyrellys Geibhendach wrote:
Sigh. Even the system inhabitants have to grow accustomed to speaking truth transparently and in entirety of content. It's not a great improvement, they're still withholding, but it's a bit better...I'll give credit where credit seems due on some improvement - but DAMN it's like pulling teeth on an angry uncooperative hippo.
I'm giving some benefit of doubt they're watching the Bundy's full on straight-laced comm attempt this last weekend. If you spend your career in a classification nat-sec straight-jacket, playing by the same rules as everyone else is tough.
But if they don't fulfill the public's expectations soon, we'll be starting over from scratch at some point. I made it as clear as possible what is rumbling on the horizon wrt: LEVEL NOW OR WE BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF YOU. Who knows if that'll sink in the way it should or not. Bundy's said it best, that the Constitution is the BLUEPRINT on how govt is supposed to be run...and nuttin in the big C about nat-sec secrecy. I don't see Q et al admitting that nat-sec secrecy is how the deep state came about in the first place courtesy of the globalist bad actors. If Q never publically admits that, it may be we're just exchanging one set of bad actors for another that speaks out its ass about altruistic intent.
Cy
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On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 2:48 AM, Naconah wrote:
This Q drop bothers me. Too much opsec info is being released...especially about POTUS going personally to UT to pick up info. That exposes him unnecessarily to danger as his timetable and routine might leak to hostiles. Why does he have to go? A subordinate can do this.
I do not like the tone about citizens do not need to know. Yes, stuff that impinges on opsec should not be disclosed. But the thrust of an inquiry, or its purpose and results should be disclosed to the people, once an operation is over with. Otherwise the government is concealing facts from citizens and is not transparent, one key issue of retaining trust and support from its citizens.
Is he talking about Andrew McCabe of the FBI singing in a black site? That implies
that he was arrested. Why is the government operating black sites if one purpose of government is transparency? I do not like the coddling. Trust us. Everything is under control. We got them on the run patronizing BS...we know that it is BS. If we are in a war, then damn it declare it. I am disturbed. Potter is too and wants nothing more to do with this Q,
There was an admission that Q was impersonated and disinformation released. That is a security breach anyway you look at it. It implies that Q is fallible and may have their own internal security issues. Very bad.
The info about POTUS relatives being kidnapped also bothers me. That should be a given. Staff having background issues implying that they can be leveraged or squeezed by hostiles really bothers me. Are these guys a bunch of amateurs or what? Debrief them, then fire them.
POTUS has said squat about Nevada-leaving us all in the dark. We do not turst the FBI on anything any longer...a thorough house cleaning of the FBI is required, even if it mandates the elimination of the FBI. It has way too much power. It has a long troubling history of abuses. If POTUS no longer trusts his internal security agencies then damn it, tell the people and get rid of them and the bad actors.
There has been a troubling game of chairs since the Administration took charge. There have been questionable appointments. The elevation of family memebers into areas reserved for professiomals is very disquieting. The American people hired the President-not his family members to conduct national policy. The Bannon fiasco gave a black eye to the Administration. That was a first class public relations disaster for POTUS and so was how the Flynn affair was handled. POTUS should admit to this and move beyond it.
My score card wrt the Trump Administration. A ? means not enough information is availabe
1. Foreign Policy B
2. Domestic Policy C+
3. Internal Security F
4. Congress B-
5. National vision A
6. Economy A
7. Press D
8. Military ?
9. Education/Housing/Health ?
10. Immigration C
11. Justice issues D
One of my main concerns is that the United States should remain a great power for the betterment of mankind. However, this does not mean we should be the world's policeman. Nor should we be involved in propping up rogue states or dealing with dictators. Nor should we render billions in taxpayer subsidies to international organizations like the UN or other states.
In regards to justice issues, the Adminitstration is left with a black eye and nearly failing grade. The Bundy, the Hammond and other political prisoner issues was not properly addressed. The Clintons and the Obama regime criminality remains troubling and festering. The DOJ has been weaponized. It needs to be house cleaned and restructured. Bad actors in the DOJ need to be arrested, charged and tried. The Scalia problem has not been resolved.
There is very grave danger that hostile powers in the international arena can use severe domestic issues to plunge the USA into a prolonged internal crisis and possible civil war and thus shove its influence out of the international sphere. That would be a disaster and could severely jeopardize the USA as a credible world power and tarnish its legitimacy beyond repair. We cannot afford to be shoved off the world stage, because if we are, our standing as a benevolent world power is gone forever and we become either a failed state ourselves, or at best a marginal one. Failed states are subject to disintegration and absorption, such as the old Ottoman Empire demonstrates.
The information on traitors inside the cabinet also bothers me. That means somebody did not vett cabinet members or staff properly and the SS might have been compromised. I give the Administration an F on the internal security issue. That is a fail.
The media has become a weapon. This is intolerable in a free society. It puts all citizens at risk by scoundrels with hidden agendas. Propaganda as a substitute for news was used by the Nazis, fascistss and communists. It failed and impaired society, opening the door to pervasive cynacism and distrust.
Yes, Trump has done some remarkable things and has achieved a modicum of success for the American people. He should be lauded for those accomplishments. But the people know he is in trouble and must be willing to step up to the plate and be willing to help him. POTUS should acknowledge that he cannot govern by himself and should be willing to take some citizen help. Most Americans of sound character want POTUS TO SUCCEED.
The score card infers that some success have been achieved. It also infers that POTUS has some troubling issues to resolve and the administration has a long way to go to overcome the litter and wreckage the previous three administrations left behind.
The way is open for POTUS. All he has to do is to level with us, tell us what needs to be done, and then leave it to us to get it done. That was Patton's way and it succeded admirably.
At this point in our history, political parties are irrevelant to our continued success as a civilization, or as a people and nation state. What is critical is for us to preserve our culture based on our values. In this light, then the American people are seeing the Democartic Party as a criminal organization threatening our civilization and values. It must be dealt with and POTUS needs to recognize this and show us the way.
How can he do this? He has already done so by reminding us who we are and what we stand for. As an example, his recognition of the Navajo Code talkers, Black Civil Organizations and factory workers and ordinary Americans from all walks of life has been a resounding success. POTUS needs to continue this vital approach to civics and intimate politics.
In conclusion, I am optimistic about a Trump Presidency. This is huge for me and other Americans, as we were plunged into despair and self loathing by previous administrations.
Quint
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On Thursday, January 25, 2018, 12:44:45 PM MST, Cyrellys Geibhendach wrote:
If the circumstances required "pulling-rank" and because no transmission or runner could do it surviving intact, would be the only reason to go that I can think of.
This I agree with. Yes we criticized but we were not saying reveal opsec. We said the full disclosure necessary for the American People to understand the evil they are fighting against. It's like when I told a man at OMF to illustrate what I was pointing out about the elites: the slavic war-torn nations where warehouses contain row after row of beds of victims being tortured & 'farmed' for the 'charged' blood. It was general information...
I'm looking at the drop and thinking, perhaps this has already been done and he's giving it in future-time context for the following purpose: 1. elementary cretin trap 2. to speak in not so many words of how bad the conditions are wrt getting things done outside of Trumps immediate circles. This would imply that Trump does not control all facilities or all orgs without actually admitting to it publically which doing so might violate opsec and cause public panic. Q has been clear that despite the conditions (whatever they may be) that they are in control...communicating confidence.
IT is no secret among the Exopolitics crowd the military and separately the IC are operating black sites in CONUS. There has been a running knife fight between them since 911 and before. This is war. Everyone except the general population is aware of that. A Black Site as I know you know is simply a off the books location.
No I don't like the tone of "the public doesn't have a need to know" but remember there are many layers of awareness among the public...the main body of the masses are not informed to the degree we are. They have to operate in that landscape, we're observing by and large except where it concerns groups of our people like the militias, altmedia, mediators, advocates, and others. Their opsec is geared toward maintaining the arms length they need to work effectively. I get that. I don't have a problem with that. Remember too that typical opsec at this level of the USAPs directs that in the case of info releases a certain percentage of 'monk-ey-ing' around occurs to or with the info...most commonly what you see may be truth details but instead of 'yet to happen' it 'already happened'. Bread crumbs. Ask yourself what would they adjust when speaking with a public group or individual and still be able to sleep at night?
Is this what we're seeing? Possibly. (keeping a fluid landscape map in my head)
I agree with Potter. We ARE being managed. Yes it is disturbing. Do I fully accept that? Not on your life! It is still US and THEM. They haven't healed the rift yet. Only made some steps in a potentially positive direction. I'll allow a bit of grace for intent. But until they come back into OUR fold, they are not yet one of us. Just the way it is, nothing personal. Will I cheer obvious successes, sure. I will always give credit where credit is due, but I will also drop a lead piano on a cretin in a heart beat too. So my word to them would be to understand my position as Source's potential back up plan if they crash and burn, and freaking don't fuck it up!
I like Potter. He's doing a good job as a realistic intermediary thermometer. I don't want him to change his stance unless at some point he should come into good reason for doing so. Potter has the luxury of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I don't. I must hear every voice and keep the more detailed map of landscape possibilities from all the info: proven, unproven, degrees of potential and interrelations. I wish I had 10 good human siphons capable of doing what I do so I could cover more ground!
Yes there was an admission about Q, and a digital SEC scuffle at 4Chan/Chan. I seen it. BUT who runs those boards? The Hacker Community. We do remember that the Hackers have a history of running circles around even the IC cyber divisions designed to keep that kind of trade in check? We'd have seen a few examples made if there was a permanent change of hands in the woodwork resulting in public fun and games. Here's what I think about the changes in Syntax....changes in personnel. People come and go from programs all the time. Even Potter knows that if he'd pause and consider it a moment. (love his 1980s computer monitor with it's fuzzy moving backlight! - great for a behind the eyes headache!)
We have to keep in mind several possible circumstances relating to this. What do these statements say about the circumstances? Work backwards. Why would you want to keep a cretin in place for a lengthy amount of time? First off is obvious...the enemy you know. Remove him and you have a vacuum, SOMETHING will fill it and you will not have the same certainty for awhile about the replacement EVEN IF you were the one that chose the replacement.
What I'm seeing collectively in the comm is battle strategy. Not social strategy. In social strategy they'd replace the discovered freaks immediately. It would be in their interest to take those kinds of risks, they'd have the luxury of rolling with whatever the outcome was. Not in battle strategy.
Some of this info is also potential traps for any cretins in the woodwork they have not identified. I would assume all info releases are well tracked and they are watching to see who does what with it. Any 'body' that shows up at a suggested site, at a suggested time, gets backtracked in consideration of the info and anyone related. In other words remember the Q statement that said "STAYHOME" ? duh. lol. Fair warning to the cretins out there or any idiotic altmedia who might not realize the traps? What military security wants to be swamped by ignoramouses when you're looking for lines of cretins and their 'resources' that have not yet been revealed? That's what it looks like to me and I think it's a good strategy if so. You've heard me call it under the term: Shaking the Trees, to see what falls out.
I agree no one should trust the FBI on anything any longer. This is reasonable considering what we know. If you notice in the recent drops Q has said the org of the FBI 'may not survive' its house cleaning. Q also pointed out a house cleaning has already occurred at Langley. I get truth vibes on those two details. Mil strategy-wise it makes sense that one of the early things that would have to happen is a systematic acquisition of control over key substructures (internal orgs). If you have a 'one-type' personnel aka military IC to do this with (remember you can generally spot a military guy a mile away) taking back a nerd-org is going to be an interesting endeavor if you don't want to be'seen' doing it while its in progress. What is the white-hats greatest fear? I was told in 2008 (beginning of their move to do something about the paradigm) the greatest fear is "societal implosion". So they're doing things QUIETLY....without alarming the general population. I can't imagine it's an easy task considering the number of awake and aware now, to do anything without being 'seen' let alone balancing need with transparency at the public awake & aware level.
Tough job. And they are saddled with it.
Ok NEXT so something I need to explain about the Celtic (Irish/Scot/Cym/Breton) World View in this kind of a problematic landscape....
In that World View, where you are a newcomer entirely off the Globalist Plantation, walking into a hornets nest, you have to have what you know surrounding you. Good or bad, what you KNOW. You can TRUST what you know even if it has issues. A Celt will always be quick to say "the only thing in this world you can TRUST is your family." You intimately know your family...it's strengths, weaknesses, its vulnerabilities (not always the same thing as weaknesses). This is a nucleated group of people with well defined and understood roles and inclinations. In a situ this FUCKED UP and deteriorated....this Conscripted by the Globals at ALL LEVELS, it makes total sense to go outside the system entoto and get a clann with a Big-Ass Bull-headed Boar for a leader! Who's not going to take the BS dished out by the Globals...a pig-headed Old-Scot! Who is going to gravitate FIRST to the clann? A pig-headed Old-Scot's kinsmen. They have to live with the man their whole lives...the Globals as outsiders, don't - so the saying goes. I'm going to listen and abide FIRST he whom I have to live with BEFORE some outsider no matter how badly you twist my arm...if you twist my arm I will tell you whatever you want to hear and the moment I'm loose, I'm back to my merry clann ordered way! Fruk you and the horse you road in on CRETIN!
That is exactly how it goes. I know. I'm one of the inhabitants of this culture, lol. (giggling) Dumb ass outsiders! Ok so you get the picture right? It's actually VERY astute of the military to have gone and gotten Trump and Family. Should this be a permanent practice in a Constitutional Republic, uh no. But in our given circumstances with the need to use battle strategy it makes perfect sense to me. I get it. The Illumined hating it all the way probably get it...the proxy Globals probably baffled as most of them are products of the social redesign.
WRT your score card:
Cy: I'd do a C on Foreign Policy with exception of the Jerusalem thing (A) and Ukraine (F):
1. Foreign Policy C
2. Domestic Policy B- (lots of room for improvement)
3. Internal Security C-
4. Congress B-
5. National vision A
6. Economy A
7. Press D
8. Military A
9. Education/Housing/Health F
10. Immigration F
11. Justice issues D
The one that is missing is EFFORT in relation to STARTING CIRCUMSTANCE: A+ That's my two cents. I can see the wreck he began with. Probably anyone else would get a score card of nuttin' but F, F, F,... So think grading on a curve. He's trying to cage an uncooperative ocean with 30 foot waves. It's a dirty, difficult job with few satisfactions and rewards...pass the man the orange cleaner with its ground up bits of coconut shell for scrubbing his hands, nightly.
Who in their right mind with his prior successes under his belt, dedicates their twilight years to beach-heading on a train-wreck? He has my total respect for that even if the final outcome were to somehow fail. (I don't think it will! - but I do think it will be a long-haul to the goal post!)
Total agreement! You are now pretty well informed on my understanding of the history and purpose behind what was built. Reiteration Short: A deep-water ship designed to guard human potential and conduct itself as the example to follow.
I have a raised eye-brow over his little jaunt to DAVOS. But trust if we are to have it, must be lenient to a certain degree and must be a two-way street. I will not speak a criticism on his jaunt until I see what he's chosen to do with it. I think he has earned that. We know he's a creative problem solver and innovator. There is a lot he could do there in the given circumstances. How would you take advantage of the myopia of expectation the enemy would arrive at the conference with? What holes in their socio-political thinking would be extant? A elite culture that tends to use & reuse what works for them and rarely actually innovates?
Food for thought?
YES BUT! Let's look at this from the 'we're at war, military battle-strategy view and systemic myopia of what's important if you are a military system inhabitant'.
1. Survival, Positioning, and Planning
2. Resources
3. Maneuverability
4. Projecting Outcome
5. Achieving Outcome
We know what they fear most: Societal Implosion.
We know that there is a planetary depopulation aspect (intent, history, imperatives, directives) to what they face. It is the greatest threat to 1 - 5 and Societal Implosion. So what do we see them doing? What they are doing depicts their priorities, extent of ability, extent of immediate resources, planning & projection. Results and Satisfaction are minimal at the outset and may at times even be sacrificed temporarily for the drive to the desired outcome.
Let's say they had been listening to all internet chatter: We see all, We hear all...Quote Q
So they would know what was disclosed to WA rep Shea!
If they knew this and knew or calculated that would result in the Bundy release/dismissal and cascade into effects on the prior court decisions wrt Hammond et al then 'battle-strategy' speaking why would you devote or waste time and precious resources to rescue someone(s) who were already in the process of being rescued?
What can we the people handle on this battlefield thus freeing up any resources, time, or application of effort by the Administration and the mil? Where is the Mil's best resources, time, energy best spent? Battlefield-strategy speaking?
While it would be nice to see a military in shining armor come riding in to rescue the Bundy-ites and Hammonds, and western land-owners, at this point it would not be a wise use of their time, resources, energy, etc. We got this and WE did! Good on SHEA!
So what are the white hats focused on? The things We the People cannot immediately reach without the pitch-fork, torch, & cordage2lamp-post routine! We're trying to avoid societal implosion remember? So what is sneaky, conniving, powerful pedophiles? A cultural attribute to the worst of the worst and VERY prosecutable! Removing them and working up the chain ladder doing some stuff that hast to actually be justified by a legit use of FISA courts in all likelyhood where the court would allow a certain amount of bending of the rules of actions (toolbox). A interesting number of the cretins have been using money, power, and connections in attempts to flee CONUS. If these people have the kind of money, power, connections to say hire mercs for self-defense...I'm talking mercs blooded on the foreign grist-mills of war...then who is best equipped to deal with these high-powered cretins? LEOs? The average LEO would get slaughtered...you yourself told me about a plane-load that attempted to go after Clinton Cabal decades ago and ended up in a lot of little pieces! So the mil would either have to handle this in conjunction with LEOs or all on their own...in some manner that is relatively quiet and satisfies the need to avoid 'societal implosion' in the process.
What can bring about societal implosion? This they would plan their op around. How would they protect themselves and their own families, friends, associates? Thsi they would plan their op around. Few hands to draw upon means the need to be ultra-careful and discrete.
I'm remembering back to Ghosttroop and the crew that was the on the ground manpower where the cyber calvary found possible hints of the positioning of the glassmakers....last thing I heard on it was how the ground crew had been identified and how they and their families were being hunted and exterminated. Stakes. I do understand.
If I'm right about what I heard and noted in 2008 - 2009 then this effort started a long time ago whilst they were still setting up the 10th Fleet and getting a rather detailed look at the actual paradigm, they'd only heard whispers about, and where they'd shown up at certain forums to compare notes to discover just how far behind the curve they actually were. Disconcerting on their part....so they (if true) were playing catch-up while trying to formulate a solution...multi-tasking, something they do very well generally speaking! I think I understand how mistakes occurred and had to be adjusted for on the fly. Barnstorming! 2017 style. Even if you are siphoning all digital data and have an army of cyber-jockeys analyzing with the help of a few super-computers, information is still open to interpretation and mistakes. It happens in war. You adjust on the fly. Casualties happen. Assholes have their successes or they'd run from the battlefield the moment you shewed up! Did the globals run? Not until the new Admin & his Mil started demonstrating capability. Still there's some bumps & bruising...they live and learn. Come at the cretins again bro a little sharper, a little wiser, a little more effective and with fewer fuck-ups.
We've watched Trump learn on the fly how to be a POTUS. We've seen him improve over time. I haven't seen him deviate from focus, except where he got a little side-tracked on the football thing...but hey he's a guy and that damn game seems to be written into the male genome! Ok so we stopped a bit at the freaking candy store. Now he's back to work and doing some curious stuff like DAVOS.
Yes it is, but if you are avoiding societal implosion, do you march in and just take-over the media and replace it with whom? While I like, appreciate and even love in some cases the altmedia (avoiding the topic of AJ here) would you put MK in CNN among the libs & green-peace'niks and expect anything but an uproar? Would you put Santilli on Bloomberg among the nerds or Glenn Beck's The Blaze among the Christian Evangelists who wear a profanity & thought chastity belt wrapped around the faces? rofl, only if you wanted a total 3-ring circus! Good guys both but that's like mixing oil and water in the style-book! OMG! laughing; yikes. And the poor msm ensconced general population would look on in horror of a different kind and say to the neighbors WTF?!!! Who turned the world upside down and inside out?
You and I know the alt-media because we set ourselves down and took the time to listen and understand what they know and where they are coming from (including becoming accustomed to their individual styles of communicating what they know and think! caustic or not)...we built ourselves a reference map. The military using the cyber-warfare divisions have built themselves a reference map. The general population facing a minimum 5 years of self-education involving reading fat-ass research reports & other tome-like books, listening to enough analysis to pave a road to the moon and back, comparing notes with other awake and aware to digest what one is looking at and hearing about, has not built themselves a reference map. I do get why the system inhabitants fear societal-implosion...how much time and resources do they have or want to devote to bringing the ignorant, know-it all, working 14 hours a day to make ends meet public up to speed on a potential ELE type societal series of events? Yeah.
Yes it puts all citizens at risk and yes Propaganda is in play on both sides. As awake and aware, we can see this...more as they learn will come to see this too...knowing is half the battle as the saying goes!
The fact of the matter is as problematic as cynicism, narcissism, distrust et al is, these are not the immediate priorities...example: which is more important? Public trust or an inbound nuke from a rogue sub off the coast of Hawaii? I would hope EVERYONE says the nuke. We're all on the same team right? well maybe not THE team but we're all working in the same direction...so lets agree that the enemy of my enemy is my friend and since we're all traveling the same road with the same intent, lets live and let live? Let's get thru this FIRST and then hash out trust! Priorities....I agree with the apparent PRIORITIES! We will address the rest as the luxury to do so returns to all of us...this is war.
I don't have to like the lack of trust or coordination, but seriously, look at what IS being communicated! Is it akin to keeping another branch notified? Is this not a sort of coordination if we think along the same lines? Could it be applied as coordination? I suggest the answer to that question may be yes. So what are the holes in the shield wall? Where can we patch and fill in? Rather than spending too much time on the inequities between us what if we focused on reinforcing each other? What would intercommunication between us all then look like?
I am too optimistic. I think we have a workable start here. I say we continue in this direction. I believe none of us want civil war even if it eventually happens as many surmise. I think adjusting a little bit at how we are looking at inter-group-comms and stated events, intents, actions can bring us a more harmonious outcome. There will always be problems. Each person in the landscape is a potential piece of the solution. I choose to make my choices and self-application with that in mind. But if you freaking come looking for trouble or shoot at me, I WILL SHOOT BACK! Not to mention I'm a crack shot with a proverbial baseball bat where it's greatly deserved.
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Cyrellys ni Geibhendach ua Dubhagain
Montana Redoubt, January 25 2018
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On Wednesday, January 24, 2018, 9:18:24 PM MST, Cyrellys Geibhendach wrote:
Sigh. Even the system inhabitants have to grow accustomed to speaking truth transparently and in entirety of content. It's not a great improvement, they're still withholding, but it's a bit better...I'll give credit where credit seems due on some improvement - but DAMN it's like pulling teeth on an angry uncooperative hippo.
I'm giving some benefit of doubt they're watching the Bundy's full on straight-laced comm attempt this last weekend. If you spend your career in a classification nat-sec straight-jacket, playing by the same rules as everyone else is tough.
But if they don't fulfill the public's expectations soon, we'll be starting over from scratch at some point. I made it as clear as possible what is rumbling on the horizon wrt: LEVEL NOW OR WE BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF YOU. Who knows if that'll sink in the way it should or not. Bundy's said it best, that the Constitution is the BLUEPRINT on how govt is supposed to be run...and nuttin in the big C about nat-sec secrecy. I don't see Q et al admitting that nat-sec secrecy is how the deep state came about in the first place courtesy of the globalist bad actors. If Q never publically admits that, it may be we're just exchanging one set of bad actors for another that speaks out its ass about altruistic intent.
Cy
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On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 2:48 AM, Naconah wrote:
This Q drop bothers me. Too much opsec info is being released...especially about POTUS going personally to UT to pick up info. That exposes him unnecessarily to danger as his timetable and routine might leak to hostiles. Why does he have to go? A subordinate can do this.
I do not like the tone about citizens do not need to know. Yes, stuff that impinges on opsec should not be disclosed. But the thrust of an inquiry, or its purpose and results should be disclosed to the people, once an operation is over with. Otherwise the government is concealing facts from citizens and is not transparent, one key issue of retaining trust and support from its citizens.
Is he talking about Andrew McCabe of the FBI singing in a black site? That implies
that he was arrested. Why is the government operating black sites if one purpose of government is transparency? I do not like the coddling. Trust us. Everything is under control. We got them on the run patronizing BS...we know that it is BS. If we are in a war, then damn it declare it. I am disturbed. Potter is too and wants nothing more to do with this Q,
There was an admission that Q was impersonated and disinformation released. That is a security breach anyway you look at it. It implies that Q is fallible and may have their own internal security issues. Very bad.
The info about POTUS relatives being kidnapped also bothers me. That should be a given. Staff having background issues implying that they can be leveraged or squeezed by hostiles really bothers me. Are these guys a bunch of amateurs or what? Debrief them, then fire them.
POTUS has said squat about Nevada-leaving us all in the dark. We do not turst the FBI on anything any longer...a thorough house cleaning of the FBI is required, even if it mandates the elimination of the FBI. It has way too much power. It has a long troubling history of abuses. If POTUS no longer trusts his internal security agencies then damn it, tell the people and get rid of them and the bad actors.
There has been a troubling game of chairs since the Administration took charge. There have been questionable appointments. The elevation of family memebers into areas reserved for professiomals is very disquieting. The American people hired the President-not his family members to conduct national policy. The Bannon fiasco gave a black eye to the Administration. That was a first class public relations disaster for POTUS and so was how the Flynn affair was handled. POTUS should admit to this and move beyond it.
My score card wrt the Trump Administration. A ? means not enough information is availabe
1. Foreign Policy B
2. Domestic Policy C+
3. Internal Security F
4. Congress B-
5. National vision A
6. Economy A
7. Press D
8. Military ?
9. Education/Housing/Health ?
10. Immigration C
11. Justice issues D
One of my main concerns is that the United States should remain a great power for the betterment of mankind. However, this does not mean we should be the world's policeman. Nor should we be involved in propping up rogue states or dealing with dictators. Nor should we render billions in taxpayer subsidies to international organizations like the UN or other states.
In regards to justice issues, the Adminitstration is left with a black eye and nearly failing grade. The Bundy, the Hammond and other political prisoner issues was not properly addressed. The Clintons and the Obama regime criminality remains troubling and festering. The DOJ has been weaponized. It needs to be house cleaned and restructured. Bad actors in the DOJ need to be arrested, charged and tried. The Scalia problem has not been resolved.
There is very grave danger that hostile powers in the international arena can use severe domestic issues to plunge the USA into a prolonged internal crisis and possible civil war and thus shove its influence out of the international sphere. That would be a disaster and could severely jeopardize the USA as a credible world power and tarnish its legitimacy beyond repair. We cannot afford to be shoved off the world stage, because if we are, our standing as a benevolent world power is gone forever and we become either a failed state ourselves, or at best a marginal one. Failed states are subject to disintegration and absorption, such as the old Ottoman Empire demonstrates.
The information on traitors inside the cabinet also bothers me. That means somebody did not vett cabinet members or staff properly and the SS might have been compromised. I give the Administration an F on the internal security issue. That is a fail.
The media has become a weapon. This is intolerable in a free society. It puts all citizens at risk by scoundrels with hidden agendas. Propaganda as a substitute for news was used by the Nazis, fascistss and communists. It failed and impaired society, opening the door to pervasive cynacism and distrust.
Yes, Trump has done some remarkable things and has achieved a modicum of success for the American people. He should be lauded for those accomplishments. But the people know he is in trouble and must be willing to step up to the plate and be willing to help him. POTUS should acknowledge that he cannot govern by himself and should be willing to take some citizen help. Most Americans of sound character want POTUS TO SUCCEED.
The score card infers that some success have been achieved. It also infers that POTUS has some troubling issues to resolve and the administration has a long way to go to overcome the litter and wreckage the previous three administrations left behind.
The way is open for POTUS. All he has to do is to level with us, tell us what needs to be done, and then leave it to us to get it done. That was Patton's way and it succeded admirably.
At this point in our history, political parties are irrevelant to our continued success as a civilization, or as a people and nation state. What is critical is for us to preserve our culture based on our values. In this light, then the American people are seeing the Democartic Party as a criminal organization threatening our civilization and values. It must be dealt with and POTUS needs to recognize this and show us the way.
How can he do this? He has already done so by reminding us who we are and what we stand for. As an example, his recognition of the Navajo Code talkers, Black Civil Organizations and factory workers and ordinary Americans from all walks of life has been a resounding success. POTUS needs to continue this vital approach to civics and intimate politics.
In conclusion, I am optimistic about a Trump Presidency. This is huge for me and other Americans, as we were plunged into despair and self loathing by previous administrations.
Quint
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On Thursday, January 25, 2018, 12:44:45 PM MST, Cyrellys Geibhendach
If the circumstances required "pulling-rank" and because no transmission or runner could do it surviving intact, would be the only reason to go that I can think of.
Quote: I do not like the tone about citizens do not need to know. Yes, stuff that impinges on opsec should not be disclosed. But the thrust of an inquiry, or its purpose and results should be disclosed to the people, once an operation is over with. Otherwise the government is concealing facts from citizens and is not transparent, one key issue of retaining trust and support from its citizens.
This I agree with. Yes we criticized but we were not saying reveal opsec. We said the full disclosure necessary for the American People to understand the evil they are fighting against. It's like when I told a man at OMF to illustrate what I was pointing out about the elites: the slavic war-torn nations where warehouses contain row after row of beds of victims being tortured & 'farmed' for the 'charged' blood. It was general information...
I'm looking at the drop and thinking, perhaps this has already been done and he's giving it in future-time context for the following purpose: 1. elementary cretin trap 2. to speak in not so many words of how bad the conditions are wrt getting things done outside of Trumps immediate circles. This would imply that Trump does not control all facilities or all orgs without actually admitting to it publically which doing so might violate opsec and cause public panic. Q has been clear that despite the conditions (whatever they may be) that they are in control...communicating confidence.
IT is no secret among the Exopolitics crowd the military and separately the IC are operating black sites in CONUS. There has been a running knife fight between them since 911 and before. This is war. Everyone except the general population is aware of that. A Black Site as I know you know is simply a off the books location.
No I don't like the tone of "the public doesn't have a need to know" but remember there are many layers of awareness among the public...the main body of the masses are not informed to the degree we are. They have to operate in that landscape, we're observing by and large except where it concerns groups of our people like the militias, altmedia, mediators, advocates, and others. Their opsec is geared toward maintaining the arms length they need to work effectively. I get that. I don't have a problem with that. Remember too that typical opsec at this level of the USAPs directs that in the case of info releases a certain percentage of 'monk-ey-ing' around occurs to or with the info...most commonly what you see may be truth details but instead of 'yet to happen' it 'already happened'. Bread crumbs. Ask yourself what would they adjust when speaking with a public group or individual and still be able to sleep at night?
Is this what we're seeing? Possibly. (keeping a fluid landscape map in my head)
I agree with Potter. We ARE being managed. Yes it is disturbing. Do I fully accept that? Not on your life! It is still US and THEM. They haven't healed the rift yet. Only made some steps in a potentially positive direction. I'll allow a bit of grace for intent. But until they come back into OUR fold, they are not yet one of us. Just the way it is, nothing personal. Will I cheer obvious successes, sure. I will always give credit where credit is due, but I will also drop a lead piano on a cretin in a heart beat too. So my word to them would be to understand my position as Source's potential back up plan if they crash and burn, and freaking don't fuck it up!
I like Potter. He's doing a good job as a realistic intermediary thermometer. I don't want him to change his stance unless at some point he should come into good reason for doing so. Potter has the luxury of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I don't. I must hear every voice and keep the more detailed map of landscape possibilities from all the info: proven, unproven, degrees of potential and interrelations. I wish I had 10 good human siphons capable of doing what I do so I could cover more ground!
Yes there was an admission about Q, and a digital SEC scuffle at 4Chan/Chan. I seen it. BUT who runs those boards? The Hacker Community. We do remember that the Hackers have a history of running circles around even the IC cyber divisions designed to keep that kind of trade in check? We'd have seen a few examples made if there was a permanent change of hands in the woodwork resulting in public fun and games. Here's what I think about the changes in Syntax....changes in personnel. People come and go from programs all the time. Even Potter knows that if he'd pause and consider it a moment. (love his 1980s computer monitor with it's fuzzy moving backlight! - great for a behind the eyes headache!)
The info about POTUS relatives being kidnapped also bothers me. That should be a given. Staff having background issues implying that they can be leveraged or squeezed by hostiles really bothers me. Are these guys a bunch of amateurs or what? Debrief them, then fire them.
We have to keep in mind several possible circumstances relating to this. What do these statements say about the circumstances? Work backwards. Why would you want to keep a cretin in place for a lengthy amount of time? First off is obvious...the enemy you know. Remove him and you have a vacuum, SOMETHING will fill it and you will not have the same certainty for awhile about the replacement EVEN IF you were the one that chose the replacement.
What I'm seeing collectively in the comm is battle strategy. Not social strategy. In social strategy they'd replace the discovered freaks immediately. It would be in their interest to take those kinds of risks, they'd have the luxury of rolling with whatever the outcome was. Not in battle strategy.
Some of this info is also potential traps for any cretins in the woodwork they have not identified. I would assume all info releases are well tracked and they are watching to see who does what with it. Any 'body' that shows up at a suggested site, at a suggested time, gets backtracked in consideration of the info and anyone related. In other words remember the Q statement that said "STAYHOME" ? duh. lol. Fair warning to the cretins out there or any idiotic altmedia who might not realize the traps? What military security wants to be swamped by ignoramouses when you're looking for lines of cretins and their 'resources' that have not yet been revealed? That's what it looks like to me and I think it's a good strategy if so. You've heard me call it under the term: Shaking the Trees, to see what falls out.
POTUS has said squat about Nevada-leaving us all in the dark. We do not turst the FBI on anything any longer...a thorough house cleaning of the FBI is required, even if it mandates the elimination of the FBI. It has way too much power. It has a long troubling history of abuses. If POTUS no longer trusts his internal security agencies then damn it, tell the people and get rid of them and the bad actors.
I agree no one should trust the FBI on anything any longer. This is reasonable considering what we know. If you notice in the recent drops Q has said the org of the FBI 'may not survive' its house cleaning. Q also pointed out a house cleaning has already occurred at Langley. I get truth vibes on those two details. Mil strategy-wise it makes sense that one of the early things that would have to happen is a systematic acquisition of control over key substructures (internal orgs). If you have a 'one-type' personnel aka military IC to do this with (remember you can generally spot a military guy a mile away) taking back a nerd-org is going to be an interesting endeavor if you don't want to be'seen' doing it while its in progress. What is the white-hats greatest fear? I was told in 2008 (beginning of their move to do something about the paradigm) the greatest fear is "societal implosion". So they're doing things QUIETLY....without alarming the general population. I can't imagine it's an easy task considering the number of awake and aware now, to do anything without being 'seen' let alone balancing need with transparency at the public awake & aware level.
Tough job. And they are saddled with it.
Ok NEXT so something I need to explain about the Celtic (Irish/Scot/Cym/Breton) World View in this kind of a problematic landscape....
There has been a troubling game of chairs since the Administration took charge. There have been questionable appointments. The elevation of family memebers into areas reserved for professiomals is very disquieting. The American people hired the President-not his family members to conduct national policy. The Bannon fiasco gave a black eye to the Administration. That was a first class public relations disaster for POTUS and so was how the Flynn affair was handled. POTUS should admit to this and move beyond it.
In that World View, where you are a newcomer entirely off the Globalist Plantation, walking into a hornets nest, you have to have what you know surrounding you. Good or bad, what you KNOW. You can TRUST what you know even if it has issues. A Celt will always be quick to say "the only thing in this world you can TRUST is your family." You intimately know your family...it's strengths, weaknesses, its vulnerabilities (not always the same thing as weaknesses). This is a nucleated group of people with well defined and understood roles and inclinations. In a situ this FUCKED UP and deteriorated....this Conscripted by the Globals at ALL LEVELS, it makes total sense to go outside the system entoto and get a clann with a Big-Ass Bull-headed Boar for a leader! Who's not going to take the BS dished out by the Globals...a pig-headed Old-Scot! Who is going to gravitate FIRST to the clann? A pig-headed Old-Scot's kinsmen. They have to live with the man their whole lives...the Globals as outsiders, don't - so the saying goes. I'm going to listen and abide FIRST he whom I have to live with BEFORE some outsider no matter how badly you twist my arm...if you twist my arm I will tell you whatever you want to hear and the moment I'm loose, I'm back to my merry clann ordered way! Fruk you and the horse you road in on CRETIN!
That is exactly how it goes. I know. I'm one of the inhabitants of this culture, lol. (giggling) Dumb ass outsiders! Ok so you get the picture right? It's actually VERY astute of the military to have gone and gotten Trump and Family. Should this be a permanent practice in a Constitutional Republic, uh no. But in our given circumstances with the need to use battle strategy it makes perfect sense to me. I get it. The Illumined hating it all the way probably get it...the proxy Globals probably baffled as most of them are products of the social redesign.
WRT your score card:
1. Foreign Policy B
2. Domestic Policy C+
3. Internal Security F
4. Congress B-
5. National vision A
6. Economy A
7. Press D
8. Military ?
9. Education/Housing/Health ?
10. Immigration C
11. Justice issues D
Cy: I'd do a C on Foreign Policy with exception of the Jerusalem thing (A) and Ukraine (F):
1. Foreign Policy C
2. Domestic Policy B- (lots of room for improvement)
3. Internal Security C-
4. Congress B-
5. National vision A
6. Economy A
7. Press D
8. Military A
9. Education/Housing/Health F
10. Immigration F
11. Justice issues D
The one that is missing is EFFORT in relation to STARTING CIRCUMSTANCE: A+ That's my two cents. I can see the wreck he began with. Probably anyone else would get a score card of nuttin' but F, F, F,... So think grading on a curve. He's trying to cage an uncooperative ocean with 30 foot waves. It's a dirty, difficult job with few satisfactions and rewards...pass the man the orange cleaner with its ground up bits of coconut shell for scrubbing his hands, nightly.
Who in their right mind with his prior successes under his belt, dedicates their twilight years to beach-heading on a train-wreck? He has my total respect for that even if the final outcome were to somehow fail. (I don't think it will! - but I do think it will be a long-haul to the goal post!)
One of my main concerns is that the United States should remain a great power for the betterment of mankind. However, this does not mean we should be the world's policeman. Nor should we be involved in propping up rogue states or dealing with dictators. Nor should we render billions in taxpayer subsidies to international organizations like the UN or other states.
Total agreement! You are now pretty well informed on my understanding of the history and purpose behind what was built. Reiteration Short: A deep-water ship designed to guard human potential and conduct itself as the example to follow.
I have a raised eye-brow over his little jaunt to DAVOS. But trust if we are to have it, must be lenient to a certain degree and must be a two-way street. I will not speak a criticism on his jaunt until I see what he's chosen to do with it. I think he has earned that. We know he's a creative problem solver and innovator. There is a lot he could do there in the given circumstances. How would you take advantage of the myopia of expectation the enemy would arrive at the conference with? What holes in their socio-political thinking would be extant? A elite culture that tends to use & reuse what works for them and rarely actually innovates?
Food for thought?
In regards to justice issues, the Adminitstration is left with a black eye and nearly failing grade. The Bundy, the Hammond and other political prisoner issues was not properly addressed. The Clintons and the Obama regime criminality remains troubling and festering. The DOJ has been weaponized. It needs to be house cleaned and restructured. Bad actors in the DOJ need to be arrested, charged and tried. The Scalia problem has not been resolved.
YES BUT! Let's look at this from the 'we're at war, military battle-strategy view and systemic myopia of what's important if you are a military system inhabitant'.
1. Survival, Positioning, and Planning
2. Resources
3. Maneuverability
4. Projecting Outcome
5. Achieving Outcome
We know what they fear most: Societal Implosion.
We know that there is a planetary depopulation aspect (intent, history, imperatives, directives) to what they face. It is the greatest threat to 1 - 5 and Societal Implosion. So what do we see them doing? What they are doing depicts their priorities, extent of ability, extent of immediate resources, planning & projection. Results and Satisfaction are minimal at the outset and may at times even be sacrificed temporarily for the drive to the desired outcome.
Let's say they had been listening to all internet chatter: We see all, We hear all...Quote Q
So they would know what was disclosed to WA rep Shea!
If they knew this and knew or calculated that would result in the Bundy release/dismissal and cascade into effects on the prior court decisions wrt Hammond et al then 'battle-strategy' speaking why would you devote or waste time and precious resources to rescue someone(s) who were already in the process of being rescued?
What can we the people handle on this battlefield thus freeing up any resources, time, or application of effort by the Administration and the mil? Where is the Mil's best resources, time, energy best spent? Battlefield-strategy speaking?
While it would be nice to see a military in shining armor come riding in to rescue the Bundy-ites and Hammonds, and western land-owners, at this point it would not be a wise use of their time, resources, energy, etc. We got this and WE did! Good on SHEA!
So what are the white hats focused on? The things We the People cannot immediately reach without the pitch-fork, torch, & cordage2lamp-post routine! We're trying to avoid societal implosion remember? So what is sneaky, conniving, powerful pedophiles? A cultural attribute to the worst of the worst and VERY prosecutable! Removing them and working up the chain ladder doing some stuff that hast to actually be justified by a legit use of FISA courts in all likelyhood where the court would allow a certain amount of bending of the rules of actions (toolbox). A interesting number of the cretins have been using money, power, and connections in attempts to flee CONUS. If these people have the kind of money, power, connections to say hire mercs for self-defense...I'm talking mercs blooded on the foreign grist-mills of war...then who is best equipped to deal with these high-powered cretins? LEOs? The average LEO would get slaughtered...you yourself told me about a plane-load that attempted to go after Clinton Cabal decades ago and ended up in a lot of little pieces! So the mil would either have to handle this in conjunction with LEOs or all on their own...in some manner that is relatively quiet and satisfies the need to avoid 'societal implosion' in the process.
What can bring about societal implosion? This they would plan their op around. How would they protect themselves and their own families, friends, associates? Thsi they would plan their op around. Few hands to draw upon means the need to be ultra-careful and discrete.
I'm remembering back to Ghosttroop and the crew that was the on the ground manpower where the cyber calvary found possible hints of the positioning of the glassmakers....last thing I heard on it was how the ground crew had been identified and how they and their families were being hunted and exterminated. Stakes. I do understand.
The information on traitors inside the cabinet also bothers me. That means somebody did not vett cabinet members or staff properly and the SS might have been compromised. I give the Administration an F on the internal security issue. That is a fail.
If I'm right about what I heard and noted in 2008 - 2009 then this effort started a long time ago whilst they were still setting up the 10th Fleet and getting a rather detailed look at the actual paradigm, they'd only heard whispers about, and where they'd shown up at certain forums to compare notes to discover just how far behind the curve they actually were. Disconcerting on their part....so they (if true) were playing catch-up while trying to formulate a solution...multi-tasking, something they do very well generally speaking! I think I understand how mistakes occurred and had to be adjusted for on the fly. Barnstorming! 2017 style. Even if you are siphoning all digital data and have an army of cyber-jockeys analyzing with the help of a few super-computers, information is still open to interpretation and mistakes. It happens in war. You adjust on the fly. Casualties happen. Assholes have their successes or they'd run from the battlefield the moment you shewed up! Did the globals run? Not until the new Admin & his Mil started demonstrating capability. Still there's some bumps & bruising...they live and learn. Come at the cretins again bro a little sharper, a little wiser, a little more effective and with fewer fuck-ups.
We've watched Trump learn on the fly how to be a POTUS. We've seen him improve over time. I haven't seen him deviate from focus, except where he got a little side-tracked on the football thing...but hey he's a guy and that damn game seems to be written into the male genome! Ok so we stopped a bit at the freaking candy store. Now he's back to work and doing some curious stuff like DAVOS.
The media has become a weapon. This is intolerable in a free society. It puts all citizens at risk by scoundrels with hidden agendas. Propaganda as a substitute for news was used by the Nazis, fascistss and communists. It failed and impaired society, opening the door to pervasive cynacism and distrust.
Yes it is, but if you are avoiding societal implosion, do you march in and just take-over the media and replace it with whom? While I like, appreciate and even love in some cases the altmedia (avoiding the topic of AJ here) would you put MK in CNN among the libs & green-peace'niks and expect anything but an uproar? Would you put Santilli on Bloomberg among the nerds or Glenn Beck's The Blaze among the Christian Evangelists who wear a profanity & thought chastity belt wrapped around the faces? rofl, only if you wanted a total 3-ring circus! Good guys both but that's like mixing oil and water in the style-book! OMG! laughing; yikes. And the poor msm ensconced general population would look on in horror of a different kind and say to the neighbors WTF?!!! Who turned the world upside down and inside out?
You and I know the alt-media because we set ourselves down and took the time to listen and understand what they know and where they are coming from (including becoming accustomed to their individual styles of communicating what they know and think! caustic or not)...we built ourselves a reference map. The military using the cyber-warfare divisions have built themselves a reference map. The general population facing a minimum 5 years of self-education involving reading fat-ass research reports & other tome-like books, listening to enough analysis to pave a road to the moon and back, comparing notes with other awake and aware to digest what one is looking at and hearing about, has not built themselves a reference map. I do get why the system inhabitants fear societal-implosion...how much time and resources do they have or want to devote to bringing the ignorant, know-it all, working 14 hours a day to make ends meet public up to speed on a potential ELE type societal series of events? Yeah.
Yes it puts all citizens at risk and yes Propaganda is in play on both sides. As awake and aware, we can see this...more as they learn will come to see this too...knowing is half the battle as the saying goes!
The fact of the matter is as problematic as cynicism, narcissism, distrust et al is, these are not the immediate priorities...example: which is more important? Public trust or an inbound nuke from a rogue sub off the coast of Hawaii? I would hope EVERYONE says the nuke. We're all on the same team right? well maybe not THE team but we're all working in the same direction...so lets agree that the enemy of my enemy is my friend and since we're all traveling the same road with the same intent, lets live and let live? Let's get thru this FIRST and then hash out trust! Priorities....I agree with the apparent PRIORITIES! We will address the rest as the luxury to do so returns to all of us...this is war.
I don't have to like the lack of trust or coordination, but seriously, look at what IS being communicated! Is it akin to keeping another branch notified? Is this not a sort of coordination if we think along the same lines? Could it be applied as coordination? I suggest the answer to that question may be yes. So what are the holes in the shield wall? Where can we patch and fill in? Rather than spending too much time on the inequities between us what if we focused on reinforcing each other? What would intercommunication between us all then look like?
I am too optimistic. I think we have a workable start here. I say we continue in this direction. I believe none of us want civil war even if it eventually happens as many surmise. I think adjusting a little bit at how we are looking at inter-group-comms and stated events, intents, actions can bring us a more harmonious outcome. There will always be problems. Each person in the landscape is a potential piece of the solution. I choose to make my choices and self-application with that in mind. But if you freaking come looking for trouble or shoot at me, I WILL SHOOT BACK! Not to mention I'm a crack shot with a proverbial baseball bat where it's greatly deserved.
Ancient Lugh's Crane Battle Magic/Message/Declaration (excerpt)
Sacred will be the sustenance after cloud and flowers
through its powerful skills of wizards.
My battle will not dwindle until (its) end.
Not cowardly my request with (their) encountering me
with a land of rushes laid waste by fire
death's form established, death on us given birth.
Before (the presence of) the Sídhe with each of them,
before Ogma I satisfy,
before the sky and the earth and the sea*,
before the sun and the moon and the stars*.
O Band of warriors my band here to you
My hosts here of great hosts sea-full
(of) mighty sea-spray (boiling) smelted golden powerful,
conceived, may it be sought upon the field of battle.
Joint death its strain. Havoc its strain.
Morrigu's Prophecy
Peace to (as high as) the sky
sky to the earth
earth beneath sky
strength in everyone
a cup very full
a fullness of honey
honour enough
summer in winter
spear supported by shield
shields supported by forts
forts fierce eager for battle
"sod" (fleece) from sheep
woods grown with antler-tips (full of stags*)
forever destructions have departed
mast (nuts) on trees
a branch drooping-down
drooping from growth
wealth for a son
a son very learned
neck of bull (in yoke)
a bull from a song
knots in woods (i.e. scrap-wood)
wood for a fire
fire as wanted
palisades new and bright
salmon* their victory
the Boyne (i.e. Newgrange) their hostel
hostel with an excellence of length (size)
blue (new) growth after spring
(in) autumn horses increase
the land held secure
land recounted with excellence of word
Be might to the eternal much excellent woods
peace to (as high as the) sky
be (this) nine times eternal
trans. -- from Excellence of the Ancient Word by Seán Ó Tuathail
(https://www.mythicalireland.com/myths-and-legends/the-excellence-of-the-ancient-word/)
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Cyrellys ni Geibhendach ua Dubhagain
Montana Redoubt, January 25 2018
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