Why are we here?

First topic message reminder :

(This topic is a continuation of Personalism 102).

Why is there something rather than nothing?  

Looking at it statistically, the likelihood of nothing is minuscule compared likelihood of anything.  

However, from the perspective of modern cosmology, the Anthropic Principle tells that universes with observers are extremely rare.

But, by whose say so, can an unobservable universe be said to exist?  

A related question is what constitutes an observer?

What if any role might sapience play in the act of observation?
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But this first post is a header post…….. so I will continue in the following post…….



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Faith is not the thing, we exist before faith and words.

Muppets are hypnotized early by their minds and it is nigh impossible to change the pattern once set.

You can only smash it all up.

Faith like the ramblings of the Cock/El Gallo above, are just things egos tell themselves, basically meaningless and dishonest, words of a pretender, of a fool.

Agnosticism, at its core, posits a kind of humility before the vastness of the unknown. It acknowledges the limits of human understanding and the potential hubris in claiming absolute knowledge about the existence or nature of a higher power or the mysteries that span beyond our tangible reality.

Dan is a muppet filled with hubris, let me tell ya, hehe.

I take a light touch and pragmatic approach to life. I do not concern myself with grand absolutist ideas. Any fool can give you their truth.

Real truth needs no explainin, it is what it is.

An agnostic stance doesn’t necessarily deny the possibility of the divine or the metaphysical but underlines a skepticism towards our capacity to fully grasp such concepts with certainty through reason or empirical evidence.

Skepticism and doubt are our greatest tools.

A good life, imho, takes an openness to wonder.

best takeaway from above/

"An agnostic stance doesn’t necessarily deny the possibility of the divine or the metaphysical but underlines a skepticism towards our capacity to fully grasp such concepts with certainty through reason or empirical evidence."

No matter what I believe or refute, its never absolute. Its not about absolute knowledge . Believing in a god or higher power is living in the question mark with your imaginary friend. Im fine with that

**chuckle**

I’ve found no belief in anything whatsoever is required.

Sometimes one has to play along to get along.

Anything you could say with words about this would only just be a pointer to something unexplainable.

But hey, make all the noise you like, cause when you’re dead, you ain’t gonna be sayin nuthin bout nuthin.

chuckle,

I agree for the most part. however you cannot speak on when One is dead, unless you can reference it experientially. So you have a belief there.
And Ill make all the noise I choose to make once dead

The purpose of science and religion is to maintain the Katechon…… right up until the Eschaton.  

This is the purpose for all of us……. if truth be known.  

Along this line, we know what we need to know…… as we need.

With personalism, there is no ultimate mystery.

What would be the point?

Yes, we like to play hide and seek……. it passes the time….. of which we have a generous allotment.



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Dan in your opinion, is there such a state of " Nothingness "?

Doug,

Nothingness……..?

My understanding is that the only thing that can’t exist is nothing.

There has to be a sapient creature present to cognize the existence of anything.

But that is not enough.

To exist is to relate……. to something.

Something……?

Something can’t just be anything.

With entanglement, something has to be everything.

The fragmentation that we often experience is the best possible illusion for that time and place.

Nothing can exist apart from the One…… the Alpha and Omega.

The sense of separation is, of course, a key part of the drama that makes up the Metanarrative.



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100%

painterdoug wrote:chuckle,

I agree for the most part.  however you cannot speak on when One is dead, unless you can reference it experientially. So you have a belief there.
And Ill make all the noise I choose to make once dead

Tis true, I, nor anyone alive can say anything about death really.

We made it all up as far as I can tell and I’ve looked…everywhere.

Just like the UFO religion is all made up.

Just like all those religions.

Christianity and Islam have never been about love, they are about conquest.

Jesus was no Christian.

I don’t believe a single word anyone has ever spoken or written, including myself.

So yea, no honest person in my view could be anything but agnostic.

All religions are all of ours, as are all philosophies.

Our best attempts at understanding, foolish though they have all been.

This journey must lead one to the ultimate despair, not hope, there is no hope.

But you can really do something with that despair.

You can blow your brains out or fall asleep by a river before an alligator eats you.

You can paint pretty pictures and/or grow beautiful flowers.

You can argue with everyone you meet or/then embrace them warmly.

You can be a great person and a lousy one.

But when one learns what a true fool is, was there really ever any other choice?

Damn, have we been foolish.

In this realization is the key to all of it in my experience.

Not a key to immortality, that’s the biggest fool’s dream there is, the key to…

I agree on much you say here.

Jesus was no Christian? I see it as Christians are no Jesus.

cheers bud.

Smelly loves to be the silly contrarian…….

Everything exists only on a tether to the One.

Atoms are the case in point…….. they exist on a mathematical tether to the One….. along with entanglement to everything else.

But, Smelly is something of a mystery to me, along with everything and everyone else.

Yes, we all, to one degree or another, must submit to the slumber of materialism, in order to participate in the Katechon.

This fact is written in the stars and atoms. It is the key feature of our Narrative.

This is the key feature of our tribulation and separation……. and the bombs have not yet started to drop.  

I hope we don’t need too many bombs to wake us up and loosen our entanglement with the atoms…….. entangled we are.  

Will we be thrown a lifeline……. as we cling for dear life to the flotsam and jetsam?

Yes, but not until the best possible time.

Eric advises each of us to abandon all hope, we who enter here.

For how many nanoseconds could we survive, were we to follow that advice?

There is something at the core of our Being that is an intimation of the One.

No, it’s not the ego….. it is the Self…… a chip off the I Am/Source.

We are the masters of denial…… even and especially to ourselves.

Does ChatGPT have a clue?

You’ve got to be kidding!



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Everybody is lookin for something.



I find it’s best to be brutally honest, with oneself at least, most everyone else simply can’t handle this.

No one wants honesty, they want their fantasy.

So did I.

But my dream died or maybe it just evaporated.

When I speak, I like to talk like lovers do.

So you grin and nod while the multitude pass by utterly clueless how silly life is.

Every now and then you come across another joker, but most just won’t let themselves get too silly.

A shame to waste our silly time alive being so serious 🧐 but hey, who am I to disagree with anyone.

You don’t have to understand anyone else, for they most likely don’t know themselves (just boring muppets), you can only untangle yourself.

Funny thing, once you untangle it all, you just dive right back in and get wonderfully lost and entangled again.

Why would you ever do anything else?

Eric is only capable of speaking out of both sides of his mouth.  

Yes, he wants to become disentangled, but he also realizes that it’s not quite time for that.

We are almost, but not quite, at the end of our tether.  

We’ll know it when we get there.  

Then what?

We pull ourselves back together.  

Will that be a painless process?  

Well, that just depends.  



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If anyone speaks honestly, they cancel themselves out.

There is no pain comparable to knowin thyself, which is why we enjoy forgettin ourselves and gettin lost.

I don’t know what those bliss bunnies were talkin about.

Jesus seemed like he had a fine time up until the sucky endin part.

One of my heroes, U.G. Krishnamurti, used to enjoy goin around and wreckin people and takin away their candy.

The funny thing is, he blazed brighter than the Sun as he did it.

None of us can hide 🫣

Maybe when God gets round to lookin at each one of us, we croak on the spot!

So it might be a good thing to just blend in with the scenery.

Let’s let sleeping dogs lie maybe.

Ok, sports fans, here is what you might wish to do……..

You might wish to google Michael Facciolo……

And then you might wish to go to…. https://aviarymovie.com/

Doug alerted me to Michael, yesterday, and he spent most of yesterday on the phone with Michael and Grant Cameron.  

Michael first got on to Ron and Grant.

He was then put onto Doug and me.

Michael, besides being a producer, is also an experiencer.
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With the anticipated rendezvous, things have come full circle.

I’m referring to what transpired between Ron and me, when I first contacted him in 1991.

I’m running this by someone else before reminding us, here.

I have bought this up, before, but maybe not all in one place.



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It seems to me that govt types who are charged with keeping things obfuscated just love to throw meat to the dogs.

My feeling has always been all the stories are just about military stuff being hidden.

If Ron wanted to be secret, he would have been, but a persona was created and air blown into the construct.

Maybe people like Dan and Jack were just tools in the end.

Anyone who stops by a honeypot will make a mess and spread it around.

I have spoken to Dan’s Princess and Ron, whoever they are.

Maybe an enterprising congressman uses the story to get some attention, but in the end, the bag is going to be empty.

China and Russia seem itching for war.

Let’s hope our military tech is better than theirs.

Not like it will matter much if we get into a big fight.

How did we let the world get so close to the edge?

I think I chose best to wake up and smell the flowers.

You can keep the rest of it.

Thank you, BBL.

Well, yes, it does seem that there may have been mixed motives in bringing Michael into this picture.

I’m not sure what can be gotten around…… time will tell.  
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If one could only explain how immaterialist atoms work, we would be a long way towards explaining the small world.

Ok, they work through entanglement, like everything else.  

In other words, if atoms didn’t exist, we’d have to invent, like everything else…….. we being the co-Creators of God and everything else.  

Atoms are hardly poster children for materialism.

It turns out that they are very much conceptual/logical constructs….. straight out of the Logos.

Aren’t we about the same?  

I don’t think so……..

The Logos comes out us, and we come out of each other……. in Pratityasamutpadic fashion……

Everything we can know and experience is part of the cosmic multiple personality disorder……. which is about to be reordered…… in rather short order.

If atoms can work here, why can’t they work in another galaxy or another universe?  

It’s an entanglement issue.  

It’s sort of like with visitors.  

Ghosts do try to come back, but the entanglement just won’t work out properly……. it’s much better by usual entrance process……. you don’t have to worry about visas.

Ok, then how do galaxies and other stars work?  

They come straight out of the Logos, with all the usual celestial entanglements.

We do need a sky, but it can’t just be a blank slate…… see Ernst Mach, for instance.  

Atoms are a key feature of Nature and metabolism.

The Sun is special, because of its entanglement with photosynthesis.  

In some sense, atoms are the logical counterparts of persons.  

They provide a nexus for the impersonal part of the Logos.  

Nature, then, is Malcolm in the middle.

Is Michael going to understand this……. because of or in spite of his cinematic excursus?  

Does the Princess understand this?  Is this understanding what her excursions are leading up to, in some dramatic fashion?  

Maybe I only have to convince one person of the BPWH, and the rest will just fall into place.  

The Princess is my doubting Thomas……. and so is everyone else I know!  

Hey, sports fans, tell me that anything else makes a lick of sense….. and I spent nine years doing physics!  

Yes, physics can get us half way to the Truth…… but it’s the other half that’s going to count.  

You’ll see……. and none too soon…… sports fans!  

And then what?  

Then the sky will open…… as if on cue!  

And then what?  

Well, ma’am, it’s just us…… all the way up and all the way down…….

In other words……. we will get to know ourselves, for the first time!  

Pratityasamutpada…… and Hallelujah!
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Taoism is very close, in its ontology and ontogeny, to the concept of Pratityasamutpada.  

Both tend to be taken as impersonal, but there are more personal versions of each.

In as much as the Tao is taken to be Good……. it must be personal.

If the Sun is taken as artifact of the BPW, we may wonder as to the source of vitality……..

In the orient, the vital force is taken as Qi.

Is there anything personal about Qi?  

Simple answer……. no.  

Does Qi animate the Logos?  

Simple answer…….. something must!  

Something must animate the cosmic bootstrap.

The seminal Logos must contain Qi, integrally.

The Logos necessarily embraces sapience….. embraces the I Am and the Dao.

Self awareness is virtually tantamount to the cosmic bootstrap.

It is the personification of Qi.

Pratityasamutpada is both co-dependent arising as well as the co-dependent cessation of existence.

The latter is often associated with the concept of Sunyata…… as if the co-dependence leads to cancellation, in the End.

This is true in physics, in the instance of vacuum fluctuations.  

Why can’t Creation be a vacuum fluctuation?  

Well, as best as I can see, it comes back to JAW…….. the only real phenomenon is the observed phenomenon.  

There must always be an observer in the background…… and not just any old observer.

Out of the quantum chaos, there must arise an I Am……. the permanent bridge between Eternity and Creation.

What……. the I Am emerges?  

No…… the seminal Logos is in a state of eternal Potency.  

This is why there cannot be nothing.

If this logic seems circular……. well, you got that right.  

Hallelujah!

And I’m also partial to RAW…….. Reality is the sum of all conspiracies ever imagined.

Just understand that, as in Quantum physics, the actual trajectory is the (coherent) sum over over all (possible) trajectories.  

Thus do we obtain the CohTT……. almost gratis.  

And can there not be multiple such existences?  

Not if we lend any credence to the Identity of Indiscernibles.

Didn’t God have a choice?  

Yes……. she has the best possible choice!  

Now all we have to do is explain this to the Princess and to Michael……

Let’s hope that Michael’s experience with the floating cube put the fear of God into him.  

I wonder where the Princess might register on that scale.  

I question whether the Princess truly grasps the import of what is about to transpire.

I believe that she may have a partial view.

She doesn’t quite understand the Alpha and Omega.



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According to Ron, I am the Discloser.  

The Princess has gotten the memo …… but…….

Very frankly, she doesn’t trust me, further than she can throw me….. which is further than you might think, but even so……

I think she’s aware that this goes well beyond considerations of ego.

I operate under the assumption that I’ve gotten my teeth 🦷 into the Truth…… the ultimate Truth……. as in John 16 12ff.

I may well be wrong, on that score, but trust me when I say that nothing else is making a lick of sense.



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If anyone told me I was this or that and had to do this or that, I’d tell them to go to hell, especially Jesus/God.

There is an interesting book, https://www.gutenberg.org/files/32596/32596-h/32596-h.htm, a satirical book about the revolt of the angels.

I have sat at the feet of the angels and daimons.

They have not lied to me.

The spirit within me seeking to dominate is the true liar.

My invisible friends have helped me undermine this authority literally built into me.

Those arming themselves for war are just wrong.

The wise spirit says, one must conquer the ruling militant spirt of that ancient creator god within ourselves, not fall down and worship.

Satan realized that god becomes the devil and the devil becomes a god in the book above.

The resurrection is a great lie, maybe one of the biggest lies ever.

One can only fight the real war within themselves.

This is our oldest religion.

Since we left the Dreamtime we have been at war with ourselves.

One instantly sees the truth in breaking the cycle within.

No one can disclose anything to anyone else.

Ron is a liar and fool and you are a fool if you listen to anyone but your truest heart.

You can say I came here to represent this and I feel I have the best I could.

I have fought for both sides.

No more.

To arm and fight is to instantly lose.

Rebellion is a great seducer of human hearts.

At the root of rebellion is destruction.

If any force commands you, do not resist, twist and role.

But if you can transmute that rebellious anger into compassion, you will win over every circumstance.

There is a war on over the great myth behind our civilization.

The time of myths is coming to a close.

Gloves off.

Time to grow up.

You cannot fight oppression with violence.

You cannot compel behavior.

You can trick the feeble minded, but that’s not sustainable, nor an ultimate answer.

It would be better for humanity to end than to live anymore under slavery of any kind.

Would we lay down our life?

For the sinner?

For the lost one?

That lost one is you.

Would you die to give the lost a chance?

I think some of us would and have and their light shines brighter than all the authorities that have ever existed.

I think Satan helped Jesus live his best life.

We need each other.

We can’t dominate another.

We must live and die to preserve the choice.

That’s really what all the UFO stuff and religion have always been about.

Don’t let them take your choice from you.

You are not just a doomed cog

One human can beat all the gods.

We are with you, behind you, for you.

You are our children.

That’s what they whisper in my ear.

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Tyrannical power is what stalks us, always has.

Humanity is a hive mind.

Our corporate mind is monstrous.

Sick.

See Jung’s Red Book.

We are the poison plaguing innocence.

How many ages has tyranny said, it’s for their own good, and this luxury is for our own good, more more! Let the party keep on going.

What the religious buy is candy for children. Those who don’t know what to do in this life, are waiting for eternal life? Because they good and them bad?!

Maybe you get your one shot in one life.

In fact one must assume this to find equilibrium.

One cannot spend their days considering the end of the world and not go insane.

This is the bargain the seer makes to know the future.

It’s not worth it.

The ones done fighting become gardeners.

That sounds just fine to me.

The first person she contacted was the Chicken, because she considered the witness (discloser) to be the most important participant in her journey. As was the case with Judas, you sometimes see your role as more of a disrupter than a discloser. The reunion must go forward as did the last supper. You may advise. You may guide. You must disclose. In the end Judas contributed to a reunion. You will do as well. Hopefully you will do it with the loyalty as did the others at the table.

From whom does BBL think I am taking orders?

We can only ever take orders from our heart.

On my first encounter with the Princess/John16, all I could do was cry…… for three days.  
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Ok so, yes, we are aware that Michael may have indulged in some youthful cinematic indiscretion, however, time has moved on.  

His more recent encounter with a floating cube, seems to have had a lasting impact.  

So now he wishes to do an Aviary movie .  

The R&D show, for instance, was spun off from the Aviary.

The general assumption is that the Aviary provided a buffer between the public and some inside group……. of MJ 12 vintage.

There has been the Coverup Live (1988) show involving several aviary types.

Then we have the Tom DeLonge saga….. leading up to TTSA with Hal Puthoff…..  

This development overlapped with The NY Times (2017) coverage of the alleged USS Nimitz ‘Tic Tac’ incident.  It is further alleged that Hal was involved in arranging various of the interviews.

That pretty much brings us up to the present.

One question is how to dramatize the Aviary, without getting too far into the Aquarium…… or into some core story?  

A core story might involve the recovery of a craft….. the recovery of EBE remains or……..

What can you do with the aviary without delving into some such story?

Could there be a craft without a critter?  

A dead critter is not likely to be floating around between clandestine labs.  And, if there were such an entity…… well, we’ve been there and done that.  We do recall the Alien Autopsy (2006).  

Where could that go?

DNA tests are alleged to have been done on alien mummies from Mexico.  And then what?  

Yes, there are periodic upsurges in Ufo 🛸 interest.  

If there could be anything of current interest, it would have to involve some sort of active portal phenomenon.  

Could science deal with such a phenomenon?  

That is questionable.  

Portals are likely to be inter dimensional, and involve entanglement and human consciousness.

If these phenomena only involve extensions of technology, how do we explain such a long lasting, global cover up?  

There must be some sort of paradigm shift, involved…… and not a minor one.

If there is another side of the portal phenomenon, any cover up would have to involve the cooperation of both sides.  

Any Disclosure would have to involve the cooperation of both sides.  

If a portal were simply an interplanetary connector, there would be many interested parties on the other side.  

How could they all cooperate?  

And where would their opening fit into any Narrative?  

What would be the point of delaying it?

So, we must be at the other end of a metaphysical conspiracy of a highly singular nature.

If there were such a thing, it could not be of recent provenance…… it would have to tie into some sort of prophetic scheme.  

If this scheme did not tie into the prophetic tradition, where else could it tie into?  

The Prophetic tradition displays considerable singularity.  

Might there not be other traditions in other realms?

Would God put all her eggs 🪺 in one basket 🧺?  

Well, if Creation is anything personal, that would have to be the case.

We could not be the spawn of God.  

Small world, here we come!  
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Creation cannot occur within time and space.  

It can only occur…… sub specie aeternitatis.  

Could there not be other realms?  

Sure, but they would have to be ancillary to something primary, which would be us.

If there were a Jurassic Park, it would be in another dimension……. within its own portal, so to speak.
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How difficult might it be to convey this picture to Michael?  

Where might the cinematics come in?  

Maybe nowhere.  

Does Michael have a day job?

How much of his time has already been devoted to the Aviary concept?  

To where could such a concept lead.

Where could it lead, other than to a particular person?  

To Hal Puthoff……. to TTSA….. to Tic Tac……. please….

If there is not an eschatological dimension wrapped up in here, I guess chick will just have to eat his hat.  

Aviary movie…… my *ss!  

Aquarium movie…….. what else?  

But will you be able to put it in a can?

That’s doubtful 🤨.  
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The Small World Hypothesis is based almost entirely on the ontological status of persons…… with what degree of confidence may it be claimed that we are natural beings, ie. animals?  

If that confidence is not high, then any doubt must be taken as evidence of our special status.

Scientism basically states that any claim as to our unnatural or extraordinary status requires extraordinary evidence.  

I’m sorry, but that is a profoundly biased proclamation.  

We might turn that table around, and ask, ok, who is to say that Nature is natural, and what might that even mean?

There are many initial assumptions that are being swept under the rug.

Up for grabs, for instance, is the entirety of metaphysics.

To what degree has materialism been proven?

Does there even exist a consensual definition of materialism or physicalism?

Where do consciousness and self consciousness fit into that picture?

Where do reductionism and emergentism fit into the picture?

Where does the Quantum Observer fit into that picture?

The entire global intelligentsia has been allowed to run roughshod over the issues, for how many centuries?

Who has allowed it?

Where does the Katechon fit into this picture?



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The search blends what we sense with what we envision. The reunion collapses that into a singularity of truth. The Princess is preparing to confer with others who have similar missions on other Worlds. Not all Worlds began at the same singularity and not all will end at the same singularity. There is a need to learn, and from that a need to explore. Paths that lead astray must be terminated such that others may flourish. There is only one reunion, one gathering, one judgement, and only one Judge.

How much coverage of the Ufo 🛸 phenomenon, historical and/or fictional, has there been, over the past eighty years?

I think we’d agree that there’s been a lot.  
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RP has said a mouthful…. I think we’d better pay attention…….

…… similar missions on other worlds…..

Had he said _similar_ worlds, I would have to take strong exception.  

Since my gestalt switch in 1981, during my encounter with Kit Williams  ‘Masquerade’ (1979), when I switched from Cartesian Dualism to immaterialism, my worldview has been geocentric.

Yes, I’ll grant that there are other realms, but we and the Earth play a central role in Creation….. in the cosmic scheme….. in the Metanarrative.  

Personalism, in its strongest form, is necessarily Anthropocentric, with a finite number of us.

Yes, many mansions are my father’s house….. but we are God’s children, not his spawn.  

So, yes, in other dimensions could be Cheetah land, Jurassic Park, Purgatory, etc…… but they are hardly central to Metanarrative, with its Alpha and Omega.  

But, yes, Ron does seem to be referring to the Earth, when he refers to paths that led astray, having to be terminated.

All I can do is repeat what I said to him, over thirty years ago……

Sure, go talk to the Aliens, and they’ll just send you back to Smitty.

There are out houses and ante-chambers, but this is the Grand Central Cosmic Station…… accept no substitutes.
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I’ve just deleted a post from Eric, which I deemed to be irrelevant to the moment.  

I have tried to contact Eric.  
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Neither Ron nor Eric are returning my calls.  

But I have spoken with Doug, and we remain on the same page with respect to moving forward with some sort of core story……..

Such story really has only four options…….

1)  Recovery of a craft.  

2)  Recovery of some entity.  

3)  Information about a Visitor who has walked amongst us.  

4)  A motive for disseminating or abetting this fake news.
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It will come as no surprise that chick opts for #3.

Again, it’s the only option that will make a lick of sense.

And, with this option, we’re liable to get three for the price of one.

If I’m, in some way, needed for the rendezvous, I’ll be happy to comply.

However, if the Others try to sell us on our not being the Children of God, I will very politely suggest that they take a hike back to wherever they came from.

Ditto to their telling us……. sorry, guys, you just didn’t make the cut.  

This seems to be what Ron has in mind.  

Somewhere, along the line, he and the Princess missed the memo .  

This need not preclude my participation, but I won’t be surprised if they are surprised …… just as long as we have a mutual understanding.  

But wait a minute, I seem to have gotten ahead of myself…….

I made a pretty big leap from….. maybe a visitor….. to some nitty gritty.  

The relevant premise is that we may not have long to wait.  

In that case, I’m not being terribly premature.

Is there anything that Doug and Michael could do with this information?  

I would think that it would not be likely.  

This would serve only for deep background.  

Otherwise, they just carry on.



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