Why are we here?

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(This topic is a continuation of Personalism 102).

Why is there something rather than nothing?  

Looking at it statistically, the likelihood of nothing is minuscule compared likelihood of anything.  

However, from the perspective of modern cosmology, the Anthropic Principle tells that universes with observers are extremely rare.

But, by whose say so, can an unobservable universe be said to exist?  

A related question is what constitutes an observer?

What if any role might sapience play in the act of observation?
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But this first post is a header post…….. so I will continue in the following post…….



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X,

Please address the topic…….

Why do you believe we are here?  

I don’t believe that Jorjani has a clue.

He never addresses the philosophical/ontological issue.

He immediately immerses himself in conspiratorial thinking, where we are some cosmic sideshow.

I believe that personalism is the only philosophy that makes any sense.  

Feel free to agree or disagree, but then you must address that topic before you wander into the hinterlands/Netherlands.  

With personalism, our existence is the central issue of ontology.

One must become familiar with this ontological issue, in order to make sense of anything else.  

Personalism necessitates a small world with a self-contained Metanarrative.

This simple fact strongly implies that we are entering into the Endtimes of the Narrative.

The proximity of the Eschaton will increasingly be impacting global events.

We see many signs of the proximity, already.



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Churning the milky sea, the solstice is when this occurs, 88 little days one way then 91 days the other , with the pole central.

I am here to fully comprehend what is occurring, and have the massive advantage of observing this via My hands.

I am a unique living entity that thus can attune to all other living entities, as We all can but have been dumbed down to such a low level with false indoctrinations.

I trust to My own senses and reject the indoctrinations
https://artifactsblog.com/churning-of-the-ocean-of-milk-angkor-wat/


hobbit

dan wrote:

Why do you believe we are here?  

to play

to learn

to individuate

to deepen the quality of our being

to lose our minds at times and blow out

to love

to accept

to liberate our souls

to laugh

X,

You fail to acknowledge the existence of other beings.

Is that not a serious omission?

none of the thing listed would be possible without the existence of other beings

every day I look for opportunities to learn something new from someone else and to teach something new to someone else, at work, at home, at school, at play

X,

Have you ever attempted to convey Truth?



hobbit,

Many folks understand that the churning of the milky sea or Milky Way has to do with the procession of our astrological orientation…… ie. with the progression of the Metanarrative.

dan wrote:X,

Have you ever attempted to convey Truth?
 

naturally

And what is the Truth?

Hi

dan wrote:And what is the Truth?  

It depends on who is asking and what the context is.

There is philosophical truth, scientific truth, mathematical and logical truth, spiritual Truth, subjective truth, artistic and cultural truths, pragmatic truth, existential truth, experiential truth, phenomenological truth, absolute truth.

The concept of truth is indeed nuanced and multifaceted

No comment……. on RP.  

I guess folks will have to decide in which direction lies the truth…… whether we are here by accident or not.

RP is certainly not going to commit…… certainly not tonight.
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X,

So, it looks like you may have to prioritize.

There are two theories of truth……. the correspondence theory and the coherence theory.

I’ve staked my life on Coherence.



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Hi

I think the last sentence should be…… Eoj si ni liaj.

Rather sad it is.  

As to the dimensional part, it sounds as though God is being perversely obscure.

We perceive what we need to perceive, when we need to perceive it.

Yes, sometimes we are vouchsafed partial truths…… however, when the SoT comes she will guide you into all the truth.



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Hi

The experiment with the google doc has been put on hold.

dan wrote:
X,

So, it looks like you may have to prioritize.

There are two theories of truth……. the correspondence theory and the coherence theory.  

I’ve staked my life on Coherence.

These are the two main forms of truth that encompass philosophical truth.

Correspondence theory of truth is more applicable in empirical sciences, whereas coherence theory is more relevant in systems of thought like metaphysics and ontological studies.

The coherence theory's focus on the internal consistency and systematic integration of beliefs aligns well with the exploration of fundamental questions about the nature of reality and existence that are central to ontology.

Scientific materialism rides on the wings of the correspondence theory of truth

Scientists are not discovering objective truths that exist independently of human perception and interpretation, but rather inventing their perceived reality as they go along.

At some point, scientific materialism will run up against the limits of empirical observation and the constraints of human cognition, necessitating a broader philosophical understanding that encompasses not only what can be measured and observed but also what can be coherently theorized and philosophically contemplated.

Science, philosophy, and spirituality will have a rendezvous at the coffee shop at the end of the rainbow.

There they'll play a game of 'Truth or Dare', but they're still arguing about the rules!

Well, X,

I think you have said something.

More power………

There are a lot more important problems than Truth to worry about.
We have to end apartheid, for one , slow down the nuclear arms race ‍, stop terrorism and world hunger .

We have to provide food and shelter for the homeless and oppose racial discrimination 🤬‍ and promote civil rights , while also promoting equal rights for women .

We have to encourage a return to traditional moral values. Most importantly , we have to promote general social concern and less materialism in young people . Noraa si ni rewop

X
Do "we".
Who says I am not already doing such?

hobbit

hobbit wrote:X
Do "we".
Who says I am not already doing such?

hobbit

X claims that there are more important things than Truth.

I agree….. to the extent that love may be more important than Truth.

Love is alleged to be the ultimate truth.

Love and truth make little sense beyond the ken of persons.

Into this mix there is also the Logos.



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I with you brother

Love is all You need...JL.


But Why are We here?


Maybe many for not much longer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yfOwZpl3-Q

Why are WE here.

hobbit

A magical mystery tour, all aboard?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7xMfIp-irg

hobbit

Well, love is the main thing we need.  

But then we have have to figure out who We is.

We turn out to be 10^10 biologicals…. of the sapient and gendered kind.  

So far…… so good?  

But then what?  

Does anything need to happen?  

Couldn’t we just live happily ever after?  
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A lot of us would wish for simpler times……. to turn back the clock.  

Instead, we do seem to be moving towards some kind of crescendo….. towards a climax, even.  

Is this necessary?  

An infinite world would hardly be personal.

We would all be redundant.

With 10^10 of us, we are certainly pushing those limits.

Well, there are many factors that come into play in optimizing our Metanarrative.  

And quite likely, we are approaching its end point…… or at least the end of the linear part of the timeline…… as we enter onto our return journey…… back to the One.
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We may well wonder whether any of us need to have this Truth in any explicit form.  

Can we not easily imagine that the Rapture and Revelation will be co- dependently arising?

Certainly the prophetic traditions are deeply embedded in our psyches.

It would not take much prompting to bring forth this collective memory…… collective anticipation.  

The rest of us would simply be entering into an altered state, not unlike an NDE.  

A public Disclosure might only confuse the situation.

Any sort of panic is not going to help with the opening of the portals.

However, it’s hard to avoid thinking that the global Internet 🛜 will have some substantive role to play……. that the Internet could be more effective than just spreading confusion.

I suppose it’s possible that the Internet could be commandeered by some cosmic intelligence at the last moment.

That hardly sounds personal, however.



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