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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:16 am by Cyrellys

The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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    Post by dan Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:56 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    (This topic is a continuation of Personalism 102).

    Why is there something rather than nothing?  

    Looking at it statistically, the likelihood of nothing is minuscule compared likelihood of anything.  

    However, from the perspective of modern cosmology, the Anthropic Principle tells that universes with observers are extremely rare.

    But, by whose say so, can an unobservable universe be said to exist?  

    A related question is what constitutes an observer?

    What if any role might sapience play in the act of observation?
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    But this first post is a header post…….. so I will continue in the following post…….



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    Post by hobbit Thu Dec 07, 2023 9:45 am

    dan wrote:‘Permeate’ is not in the vocabulary of the immaterialist.

    We are talking ‘mind only’.  

    This would be mainstream Buddhism ☸.  

    This is radical monism.



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    Post by hobbit Thu Dec 07, 2023 10:15 am

    You quote the wheel of dharma, and isolate it into a particular belief, but in hobbitism We (I) recognise the clues of all .
    I do not restrict Myself to any unique perspective, and to My senses the cross with 45 degree spokes exists in the geometry of universe ( though not pure degree).

    Consciousness ( mind) operates upon this geometry, and it spirals into the centre where it reverses, and the hobbit can detect and follow this with ease, I am hunter of such with senses fine tuned.

    Phase conjugation of consciousness ( mind) leads to so called time which is only relative to the field of consciousness one is within, and offers the opportunity to the senses to to attune backward or forward.

    Time/gravity is a consequence of the field one is within, that field been of consciousness.

    Phase conjugation leads to alpha and omega as the spiral time/gravity fieldof ever larger such interact with Earths such.
    An outrush consequence will lead to water from within the earth reacting magnetically and rising outwards to flood the surface, the opposite consequence of implosion will lead to a heat rise and a forgetting of the surface area with transmutation of the surface leaving little evidence of the previous 12, 000 or so years.


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    Post by dan Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:41 pm

    So, hobbit, who Created the world…… and why was it Created?
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    Post by hobbit Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:22 am

    dan wrote:So, hobbit, who Created the world…… and why was it Created?  

    Consciousness made all, in quantum entanglement of itself , there is no need for a man to have ever been present, or a bird or a fish, nor any bugs.

    The complexity is self generating and eternal.

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    Post by dan Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:47 am

    Well, I do thank for asking such a naive question, hobbit!  

    This is the corner into which the intelligentsia is being forced.  

    If you don’t believe that ChatGPT is the most amazing thing since sliced bread 🍞, then you have to believe that mind/consciousness is a fundamental part of reality.  

    Historically, this is the view held by the panpsychists.  

    Panpsychism goes back at least to the Presocratics.

    And this is only in the West.

    The earliest mention of the Vedas goes back into the second millennium BC.

    A compilation of the Advaita Vedanta stressing the immaterial aspects date to around 800 of the common era.



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    Post by hobbit Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:30 am

    There is something other than consciousness, I am not saying it is everything because I detect an underpinning crystal solid that is perfectly packed and the faces of this compose the dimensions.

    I cannot help but detect that which My senses are capable of detecting, what I detect flowing along in phase conjugate manner following the geometry of the solid is consciousness and it spirals into and out of adjoining opposite spin spirals , but the cogs are not moving, it is consciousness that is akin to cogs in a watch mechanism that is compressing and decompressing creating 3D matter and supplying the created 3D with consciousness to remember how to be.

    At very special locations in the geometry there is clear entanglement, one such location is called the cove in the village of Avebury, and our ancestors ( which WE are ) knew these serpent like flows for what they are.


    https://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=279

    I do not stand and stare at these locations, or photo them, I remember what they were put there for and the fabulous local manipulations of the two serpent like flows which I am at one with.

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    Post by RealPan Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:05 pm

    Humans perceive only a small fraction of the dimensions accessible to others. When they pass through portals, they compress, expand, and adapt to the dimensions of their transport and their exist. They do so without the slightest concern, whereas humans may suffer dislocations from the transport, and they may eventually need to be rebuilt.

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    Post by dan Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:52 pm

    RP,

    It’s not clear who you are referring to when you suggest _they_ can pass through portals without concern, where as humans may suffer severe dislocations.  
    ………..


    In reference to hobbit’s post, he is treating consciousness as if it were something physical.

    This started me wondering about the non-prophetic traditions, and their treatment of the mind.

    They are usually considered to be pantheistic……. taking an impersonal view of the world.  

    This would not make any sense.  

    Mind is nothing without a subject.  

    Cosmic mind would have a cosmic subject.  

    The Asian traditions assign mind/soul to all creatures, and even to objects.

    Persons, then have no special status.

    hobbit goes out of his way to deny any particular spiritual status to persons.  
    …………..  


    Xianity is the only tradition to assign divine status to persons.  

    But even in their case, it comes with a caveat……

    That status can be inverted, if the person is considered evil or to hold evil ideas or beliefs.  

    Only in Christian countries was the Inquisition imaginable.

    Only with the rise of science, has secular humanism become possible.  

    Would not the collapse of science lead to witch 🧙‍ trials?  

    Only the modern enlightenment keeps the dark ages at bay.

    Does the BPWH provide any reassurances to the contrary?



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    Post by dan Mon Dec 11, 2023 7:37 am

    Notice that there is only one prophetic tradition……. extant.

    This is a crucial part of personalism.  

    Then there is everything else…… which can be covered with pantheism and panpsychism.  

    This pretty much covers the waterfront.

    Out this spectrum comes only one small world.  

    And this is the only personal one.

    On the pantheist side, we get only cycles……. eternal return.  

    Only the individual can escape, and then melt into the cosmos.  

    Buddhism exemplifies pantheism, and is definitely bordering on nihilism.  

    If we need something, we’re stuck with personalism.

    Xianity is our only exemplar……. and it is strongly dualistic.  

    But if there is one thing that personalism is not, it is not dualistic.

    Historically, Christianity ✝ is stuck with dualism.

    A universal xianity would be a whole new religion.  

    So, everybody gets to start from scratch.  

    The jguy remains the point person.  

    Most of the Metanarrative comes along for the ride.  

    The scientific revolution plays a central role, with the technology of the internet 🛜 being crucial in the playing out of the Eschaton.

    We have everything covered, except for the actual opening.  

    Will there be any Disclosure?  

    I’ve always been partial to Disclosure, but it might not fit into the Opening scenario.  

    If we’re lucky, we might get a couple of blinks out of the Sun 🌞.  
    ……….


    Along with pan-psychism, there is a tendency to treat consciousness as if it were a physical field.  

    This is also related to the question of the distinction between sentience and sapience.

    I claim that there is an ontological distinction.  

    The self arises only in conjunction with self-awareness.  

    Cosmogony is co-dependent with ontogeny…… with the advent of the I Am.  

    The advent of the I Am is logically predicated on an inter-personal orientation.  

    There is no Creator without a Creation.

    An imaginary playmate would suffice, and it need not be clear between the imaginer and the imaginee.



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    Post by dan Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:16 pm

    Virtual Tasseography Agenda

    Date: TBD
    Time: TBD
    Location: Google Meet [Link]

    Topic Item 1:
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    Mother of All Paradigm Shifts (MoAPS)

    Key Points
    My understanding is that, very likely, we are on the verge of a paradigm shift.
    This will not be your run of the mill paradigm shift.
    The term "paradigm shift" itself was popularized by the philosopher and historian of science, Thomas Kuhn.

    Topic Item 2:
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    Key Points
    List key points pertaining to topic suggestion(s)


    Additional Notes
    My further understanding is the MoAPS will be taking place in an eschatological context.

    In fact, the MoAPS may be one of the triggers of the Eschaton.  

    So the Eschaton is then the second agenda item.

    The Eschaton needs to be defined……..

    Traditionally it’s defined as the end of the world.  

    Then we have to define world…….

    In modern parlance, the world is everything, or is simply reality…… it is the universe, or, even, the Multiverse…… astronomically speaking.  

    However, in accordance with the MoAPS, there will be a shift from materialism to immaterialism.  

    Immaterialism is commonly understood as tantamount to idealism.  

    Instead of atoms, the world is composed of ideas.

    Atoms are objects……. ideas are not.  

    As far as we know, ideas are had only by persons…….. well, persons are the only ones able to demonstrate their possession of ideas.

    Until it can be demonstrated to the contrary, idealism is tantamount to personalism.  

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    This is a slightly new departure…….

    Four persons are currently editing this google document.



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    Post by dan Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:10 pm

    Mind the gap………. There is a gap between sentience and sapience…… quite easily the biggest gap in our understanding of Nature…… at least as big as the gap between life and non-life.
    ……….


    Of course, I’m setting aside the mind-brain gap.

    Scientists do their best to ignore and filibuster these gaps.

    But the main point of the BPWH/SWH is that we don’t have all the time in the world……. or, rather, that’s all the time we have!!

    No more dilly-dallying.
    …………


    Now we come to a sensitive point……

    Let’s suppose there exists someone who has the ability to open one or more portals.

    And/or suppose we wish to make an addendum to Hypnotta.

    We wish to choreograph the opening of the portals.

    I think we might need a skull session…… in this regard.

    As a matter of fact, that may be the main reason we’re here.

    We are gaming the opening.

    Isn’t it nice to just play pretend?

    Hey, this is how God amuses herself, with her imaginary playmates.

    This is actually the one and only agenda item for the Tasseography Group, in my humble estimation.

    Hey, let’s not everyone speak at once.

    I hope that xxxx will show us how to take turns.

    The baseline here is that the 10^5 portals will open for five days, and then the Sun will go out.

    I have suggested some additions to the baseline.

    This is where everyone is expected to chime in.



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    Post by dan Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:40 pm

    Thus endeth the first day of experimenting with google docs.

    There has been basically a one paragraph response from one person.

    We could call it a success, if no one uncovered any (fatal) flaws.  

    The one paragraph was the question of where ideas come from…… something I had not previously worried about.  

    I’m tempted to be monist about ideas, supposing that there is only one……. or two, with the two defining a spectrum, as with colors, for example.

    Or one could take the position of an Hegelian, and posit that for every thesis there is an antithesis……. ideas then are branching out in juxtaposition to each other.  

    The Stoics speak of the seminal word that is planted, and it sprouts.

    This is something like inventions and how they sprout into new ideas, almost endlessly.  

    One may easily trace the origins of words…… back to a common source.  

    An example I like are the ten thunders of James Joyce.

    This is just a very rough sketch of the origin of ideas.

    These are ideas that arise in response to a single question.  

    There is always the original thought or realization……. the I Am.  

    Think of all the trouble that thought got us into!  

    Lacking more responses or questions, it seems that chick 🐣 can continue on his merry little way…….



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    Post by GSB Wed Dec 13, 2023 5:57 am

    Tucker Carlson: Disturbing aspect of the "core story" ...

    https://twitter.com/HighPeaks77/status/1734793831680209115


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    Post by dan Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:16 am

    Thank you, Gary…….

    Good ol’ Tucker, comes through in a pinch.

    ‘Core Story’…….. where have we heard that before?  

    Scary……… we’ve met the Others, and they are Us!  

    Yes…….. is there any one as scary as Homo sapiens?
    ………….


    Merrily we roll along, roll along…… o’re the deep blue sea…..

    Us, folks, have owned the Eschaton……. ever since the Trinity Event.

    Now we get to work it out.

    And all of this, just because somebody disappeared around a corner….. in Figueres?  

    Hey, does anyone have a better story?  

    That’s my core story….. 🐣!  
    ……..


    As goes the TsG, so goes the world 🌎.  

    The Katechon is so effective that the SoT has no competition.  

    No one can believe that we evolved from the aboriginal Dreamtime.

    I don’t even have a good story about the advent of metabolism.  

    I must have some story.

    How does anything materialize…… out of dream 😴 land?

    I’ve never come up with a better story than Pok-a-Tok.



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    Post by hobbit Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:30 pm

    Everything evolves relative to it's need.
    If You need a long snout to reach Your quarry then You grow one.

    Consciousness supplies and responds to the inputs, hence the songs of "We sow the seeds and scatter the good seeds all around"
    All of course verbalised in super built consciousness accumulators called churches.

    This is a game, where the outcomes are dictated by the inputs, they ( ????) are inputting fear by creating wars and fictional pandemics( there never was any covid)

    I have experienced the hell of knowing these lies, whilst those fully indoctrinated are in paradise experiencing the bliss of ignorance..

    There is no end coming, there is no thing to fear except fear.

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    Post by dan Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:20 am

    Hobbit,

    I’m asking and addressing the question…….. why are we here?

    You are explaining how we are here.  

    I’m asking…… why?  

    Have you ever wondered why?  

    Let’s not just be like two ships passing in the night.  

    Please, Hobbit, make an attempt to communicate with me, or start your own thread or blog.

    This is not meant to be a random public bulletin board.  
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    Post by dan Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:35 pm


    Topic Item 2:
    Sarah has suggested a takeoff from Tomorrowland….. the 2015 movie with Clooney, etc.  
    Tomorrow land is an alternate world or dimension.

    Is that you, Sarah?

    I’m here Dan. I will elaborate on the Tomorrowland topic!
    The movie was not successful…….

    (per commercial terms, however the idea has been expertly
    seeded by Disney both before and after the film. For example, Disney has an entire Tomorrowland attraction which pre and post-dated the film. They all form feedback loops.)

    I see you, Sarah….. Go ahead…….

    Zeitgeist: a German term that translates to "spirit of the age" or "spirit of the times"
    In the movie, there is a key analogy that represents the spirit of the times, or zeitgeist.
    The wolf analogy is presented in a scene where a character named Frank Walker, played by George Clooney, explains to Casey Newton, played by Britt Robertson, about the impact of negative and dystopian narratives on society. Frank uses the analogy of two wolves to convey this idea.
    He describes a Native American grandfather talking to his grandson about two wolves fighting within everyone. One wolf represents darkness, fear, and despair, while the other represents light, hope, and positivity. The grandson asks, "Which wolf wins?" The grandfather replies, "The one you feed."
    In the context of the film and its exploration of the zeitgeist, this analogy is used to highlight the power of narratives in shaping collective consciousness. The wolves symbolize the opposing forces of positive and negative thinking, and the idea is that the narrative people choose to focus on and propagate will influence the overall mindset and collective consciousness of society.
    Ultimately, if a society collectively focuses on negative, dystopian narratives, it may contribute to a pessimistic zeitgeist, shaping how people perceive the world and influencing their actions - which is consistently demonstrated in the film.


    So, I’m pretty much a one trick pony.

    There is not much point of discussion, if we don’t have a context.

    A logical starting context is that our world is the only world and/or the best possible world. In other words, God puts all her eggs in one basket, and then watches the basket very closely.

    Most of the present faults come from our ignorance and confusion about the nature of reality.  

    With Tomorrow land, Disney was attempting to create a platform or a vehicle for a Tasseography group, like ours.  

    So he was basically going to create a whole new world.  

    Our challenge is a bit more realistic…… well, we are starting in the middle….. the end of the middle.

    This is where we become aware of our context, and we are gradually waking up to the new possibilities.

    Our world is the post-Disclosure world.  

    Our job is to integrate ourselves into the BPW, by making optimal use of newly discovered portals.  

    Everything before today was under the rubric of the (best possible) Katechon (Restrainer).  

    We’re supposing that Portals are now available to us.

    Yes, there could be a Gaza portal and a Jerusalem portal……

    ….. a Moscow portal and a Kyiv portal.  
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    Post by dan Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:43 pm

    And so it goes……
    40 gmt/z 12/15 dts

    What hasn’t been taken into account is Pratityasamutpada, or co-dependent arising  ….. also with the Logos Spermatikos or seminal word.


    12/15

    So, I don’t think there is any other place for a Tasseography group to begin.  

    This is supposed to be the Tasseography group to end all tasseography groups.

    But, hey, go ahead and prove me wrong.  

    I dare you!  Take the high ground  ………



    12/14/2023.  10 pm est. dts.  

    So, anyone is welcome to seize the high ground.

    We need to have a starting point.

    Traditionally, the starting point is  ….. why is there something, rather than nothing?  

    But, with the advent of the Quantum  ………

    No phenomenon is a real phenomenon, unless it is an observed phenomenon.  
      — J A Wheeler.

    So, what is our minimal observer?  

    I humbly submit that our minimal observer must be a pair of communicating/sapient Beings  ….. (or one schizophrenic Being.) …….

    You get the idea 💡.
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    Post by X Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:57 pm

    In the movie Tomorrowland there is a trap door on Disneylands “It’s a Small World” ride that leads to the breakaway civilization

    Starting with Tomorrowland is analogous to starting with the Small World

    Think concave earth

    Antarctica

    Hollow moon






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    Post by dan Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:13 am

    X,

    I think you are correct ✅.

    Yes, I have a partial belief in the hollow Earth 🌎.

    The Sun and the stars are hollow, along with the photons emanating from them……

    Hollow in the sense that they are merely logical constructs, emanating from the seed of the BPWH, as are you and me…….  🐣    

    ….. coming out of the Cosmic Dreamtime.  



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    Post by dan Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:52 am

    I’m thinking about a proposed (physical) meeting on Sunday, that would include two of us, plus foot 🦶.

    foot has insisted that I include Sam Hopkins.

    I don’t know why this insistence.

    However, I’m prepared to take full advantage of the situation ….  as being a first step towards Disclosure  ….. with Sam representing an informed but totally naive public.  

    I will suggest my heading down to xx, today, to discuss the situation with three.

    Was this Sunday meeting, per unlikely, just intended to be a social occasion?  

    If not, what are the parameters?

    Need there be any limits to our discussion of Disclosure  ….. with Sam playing the role of guinea pig?

    Will foot be attempting to sidetrack any such discussion  ….. or will he be cooperative?

    I would consider this to be an opportunity to explore any possible alternatives to a flat out Eschaton.  

    For instance, would any political or administrative entity be prepared to declare a state of emergency 🆘, while we proceed with Disclosure?  

    Would such a step be advisable?

    What are the alternatives?  

    Of course, we also have the option of calling off the proposed meeting with Sam.  
    ……….


    Apropos of which……..

    OPINION
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    It’s Time for U.F.O. Whistle-blowers to Show Their Cards

    ……… There is no better time, in other words, for anyone who has documentary proof to figure out how to be a hero of disclosure and democracy. If you have the goods and you want the public to know more, and if you think the Schumer push for transparency has been fatally wounded (as many U.F.O. believers seem to think), then this is the hour to bring your secrets forward.
    We don’t say…..
     


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    Post by hobbit Sat Dec 16, 2023 11:27 am

    This thread title.....WHY are We here?

    Who is WE?
    Who is Me?
    Who is US?

    Consciousness is everything, is everyone, there is no separation, there is a crystal lattice structure that multi dimensions exists upon that consciousness supplies and supports, it is the serpent like geometry .

    I as this unique 3D vehicle am enabled to operate via consciousness and to enable the Me in 5D to experience this so called time and to transmit to Myself ( who maybe us?) the experience when dreaming.

    Me (5D) is here to learn, to KNOW how to expand the unique consciousness field, and I do this by locating the geometry location/s of high content consciousness flow.


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    Post by dan Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:06 pm

    Yes, hobbit,

    You got that right.

    That’s all we need to disclose….. to enable us to get to the next level.

    Btw, I believe that the meeting today was all that we could ask for.



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    Post by dan Tue Dec 19, 2023 3:41 pm

    My go to blog has temporarily shifted to a private google doc.

    This provides an opportunity for some other folks to make suggestions before something shows up here.

    There will be no more than a few hours delay.
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