Family in a Fishbowl / Princess + 0 / reality show......

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Here goes Nothing........

The Princess is barely talking to me, and I seem to be holding her kid hostage.......

I guess they’d better send in the SWAT team.  

Just another typical day in the life of the family..... of any microcosmic family........
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Links to the BPWH Glossary's 

The first is to a partial glossary......... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t251p700-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2  

And at the top of the glossary is the link to one of the several original mnemonic pages, grouped around April of 2016........ https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2 . 

Get dan talking about codependent arising.

Ha.

How could we be more dependent on the sun.

You always rise with the sun.

You have water and elements in your body from the sky.

That’s pretty codependent.

Erik would fit in with Vallee and Wilbur, who are both card carrying members of the Aviary.  

Davis may deliberately be overstating his objection to the inter dimensional aspect of the anomalous phenomenology.  The split between the Las Vegas and Salt Lake contingents is likely being manufactured mainly for public consumption.  

Yes, there is, at large, a strong undercurrent of anti consciousness, coming from the dualism inherent in the Creator/Creation dichotomy inherent in Monotheism.

It’s a bit odd that I’ve never been introduced to one of these characters.  

It’s almost a deliberate effort to keep me isolated.  

It is ironic that many or most atheists retain the strongly dualistic proclivities of the Monotheist tradition.  

Non-duality only comes out of the East.  

It is a major fact of history that the prophetic/Eschatological tradition has been so closely aligned with Dualism.  

I can’t say that I’ve ever delved into the connection.  

I’m thinking that we believe we need to appeal to a cosmic Judge to bring down the curtain on history.  

For some reason, the prophetic tradition never considered the Eschaton in the context of the small world...... as being crucial to the small world essence.  


2:35.........

It’s essential to keep the pre-Disclosure elements highly compartmented, to prevent the premature assemblage of a critical mass of knowledge or information.



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No, no judgements coming.

They will be so disappointed.

smelly,

I agree, but the whole point of the Western cannon is to be judgmental.

The very idea of a best possible world will be anathema.    

But was the East ever any closer to the BPWH?   It doesn’t look like it.  

They got lost in their own maya....... in a collective solipsism.



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The logos sepperates the body from the spirit, but logos is also the soul that connects it all here and nowhere.

Think of a wheel.

The outer rim is the body.

The spokes are the logos or psyche.

The center is emptiness....pure potentiality.

The body - mind - spirit Trinity

Sorry Dan....you got me off on a 3 tangent.

Dan both sepperates and connects me to the Princess.

Ack,

Well, the Logos comes in two varieties...... the analytic and the holistic.

The analysts grabbed the short end of that stick.

With their logic chopping, they were going to have the whole world figured out, yesterday.

With holism, we know what we need to know, when we need to know it.



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I see

We have many tools.

Come a long way from sticks and stones.

I am captivated by the stories of the gods sequestered in pleasure spaces.

And yet, it seemz we humanz can know more of ourselvez somehow out here roughing it.

I guess if we are just Zeus’ play things, that blows the BPW.

Dan, can you introduce me to Erik Davis somehow, something there, I smell it.

smelly,

If you wish to connect with Erik, it would need to be through Gary and Jack
Sarfatti.  Erik sees me as one of the bad people, connected with Ron.  

Gary is right here, of course.  I have never communicated with Erik.  I speak with Jack maybe once a year.  I’d like to see what you might suggest to Erik.  


In the meantime, I’ve been spending time on Jorjani and Donald Hoffman.  

Yes, Jorjani is brilliant, but totally without humor or empathy.  Mishlove does a good job of interviewing.  

Jason has some interesting speculations about the origins of the various Asian cultures.  I’ve read his Atlas and Prometheus.  The greater Iran is going to play a pivotal role in the future, and history is a footnote to Zoroaster.  

He does take the inter dimensional hypothesis rather seriously.  

Without becoming explicit about personalism and the small world, his speculations about the future are disjointed.  

Hoffman is trying to reinvent panpsychism...... starting with atoms. Scientists have great difficulty breaking away from their reductionistic habits.



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I like the bad guyz better than the good guyz.

They are more honest.

The good man is the most deluded.

No such thing has ever existed.

I am your half Daimon goat.

You did nothing to deserve my blessing, but you have it.

My blessing is smelly.

Perhapz I can entice him by my skepticism of Ron.

Bahahaha

Anywayz....

I want to speak of my sadness at Fox News and CNN.

It’s hard to see the snide Tucker encourage the deplorable to be individuals and fuck the world.

It’s so toxic.

He’s an evil human.

One of the worst.

We need them too.

Instead of trying to come together, our hate grows for other.

They prod them to hate the earth.

How can we be so stooooopid?!

It’s worse than ever.

My heart is heavy tonight.

The hatred effects me, but I can’t turn away.

It would be torture for a creator to watch us destroy ourselves.

These humanz are truly insane.

Parliament is more fun than ever.

I have to say, Fox’s Evil izzzzzz in your face.

These are the stupidest thingz I’ve ever heard humanz speak.

The insane human devourz everything.

How do we unwind thiz god awful mezz?

Flood and fire soundz good

No thankz!

I hate thizzzzzz world and love it.

Torture.

It’s a living heaven and hell.

If I had a bar at the end of the universe I’d call it Heaven and Hell...Paradize here I come!

Take me home Momma.

Down that ole countri road.

I’ll meet you at the bend heading into eternity.

I find I can’t get away and then it hitz me how fucked I really am.

I give up.

Bahahahahaha

Jordan iz mesmerizing.

A true Magi.

His power iz very potent.

He iz a force.

More to him than meetz the muppet eye I assure you.

I also wondered where hiz heart takez him, the same place mine will, DAATH!

Yah baby!

I smell the godz on him which iz why I gravitate to him.

Perhapz I smelled the devil in you Dan.

Mushlove, my name for him, did a seriez of talkz recently on Peter Kingsley.

He really sharez hiz heart.

Some kind of wonderful in all thiz shadow.

Thatz my kind of muppet.

He made me cry.

A beautiful soul there.

I mean it when I say, my reward was realizing I had a place in the sky.

I trust in my life.

I do not at all feel it a war between me and life.

It all seemz to rise up to allow each step to meet me with care in every moment.

And it still takez time to show me itz beauty and itz power.

To let me see a moment of love.

Maybe seeing that iz the point in all thiz.

The point of all this is just this.

I am the point.

You are the point.

We are the point.

CoCreation is the point.

Our point is no point.

Anyone up to smoke a joint?

Peace and luvz to us all!

The world feelz a certain way tonight...open.

Chickenz like music and can even sing sometimez.

Feelz like wet honey covering everything in a golden haze.



Ooey gooey

Hell ya, totally feeling the ooey gooey wet honey vibe tonight here too!

Ozgur Baba is great!

Haha.

His chickens walking around are pretty great too.

William James said we have to deal with the “thickness of reality.”

Right on.

To see takes what Erik calls radical empiricism or weird naturalism.

I know what he means.

You have to play the part.

Do the rituals.

Sing the songs.

Dance the dances.

You have to beat your drum and hooooowwwwwwwwllll at the Mooooooonnnnnn.

It was first quarter moon phase yesterday.
This is when it is side on field wise to the sun/earth alignment.
It is all by field.
Biefeld Brown.

Hobbit

I would consider the Ron and Eric banter in the context of this ...

http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/15832/the-ufo-leak-of-the-century/

Note bené........

There has been confusion between two Davises..... Erik and Eric, both in the ufo arena.  

Erik is the popular writer on esoteric matters.  

Eric is the one who was involved with Hal, and with the Admiral Wilson leak.  Eric has mostly a physics background.  He is not amenable to the Weird Desk kind of stuff.  


1:40.........

The contrast between the two Eric/ks is emblematic of the two sided nature of the whole ufo arena.  

Much of the confusion is being aided and abetted by ‘MJ12’...... particularly, the entire Wilson affair.  

Billy Cox/de Void almost hits upon the Grand Deception (GD).  

How little effort is required to maintain it.......

There may even exist an Aerospace company that allows its name to be used as part of the GD (general dynamics?!).  

The GD is so easy, mainly because our Christian culture is very amenable to anti weirdness....... any paranormality not explicitly of the BVM variety is necessarily demonic..... and taboo, amongst all strata.  

Steve Bassett, Eric Davis, Jack Sarfatti, etc....... are among the many  examples of this psychology.  It can be particularly virulent amongst non believers, simply because it is a subconscious/cultural reflex.  

The LDS Church is another exemplar of this dualistic psychology...... until God comes back...... we are all about colonizing space..... reaching out to God, or something.  Their churches, in effect, maintain both the trap door in the ceiling, and the launching pad on the roof.  Don’t ever sell short on literalness.  

With this psychology rampant, it is very easy to sell the public on a sekret space force and star fleet.  TTSA is in the forefront of that effort.  Even much of Silicon Valley has bought into it.  

chicken little is just a big party pooper.  

To counter the entire Blue Sky brigade all you need is one little Princess, with a budget of basically zero....... hidden exactly in plain sight.  

Billy Cox was asking, rhetorically, how the coverup could be maintained all these years........ this is exactly how...... this is the only way.  

If folks ever catch on to portals, all you have to do is invent an actuator....... to keep folks chasing their tails for another few decades.  


2:50.........

And, furthermore, it’s not actually portals that are being covered up.  It’s the small world that’s being covered up.

The big world is the Grand Deception.  

This is how the whole Concealment/Revelation business works.  This is how the chicken little plot works.  It is all so near...... and yet so far.  


4..........

If the world is not actually big, then where are the edges of space and time?  

I have suggested that there are two dimensions of time....... experiential time and deep or logical time, as implied by Owen Barfield.  

What about for space?  

I’m tempted to say the same for space, but then have to deal with the Sun and Moon, in particular.  The Sun would be the main problem.  

Saying that the Sun is reified by sunflowers, as I have, is a bit of a stretch, admittedly.  

I’m inclined to start further back in the phenomenal/‘causal’ chain...... back to the whole question of metabolism........ wherein the making of babies stands out.  

If you want to make babies, in the BPW, you end up needing an energy source.  

Can’t we just have virtual babies?  

To go along with dream babies, you’re gonna need a dream Sun.  The devil is in the details.  

Why not just use sunlamps....... an ‘artificial’ dream source?  

Hey, that would have put Isaac Newton out of a job, not to mention every other astrophysicist.  

Nature must be an essential aspect of the BPW.  

Ok, so why not just go ahead and have an actual physical universe...... Big Bang and all?  

Could we, creatures on Earth, coCreate a Big Bang?  


6........

The ontological issue raised by the Sun does not differ greatly from the issue of the Earth’s interior.  

One solution is to have a concave Earth, and, with the concept of the Hive, that idea is given more credence, but then the problem has just been displaced.  

How would one go about creating a simulated Earth?  Would you have to also create a Big Bang simulation, just to support the Earth simulation?  It would be a bit of a headache?  

I think I need a better handle on the whole Creation problem.  

Maybe the best handle is to just stick with personalism.  

This is what I was doing with the Pokotok gambit...... the gods get bored sitting on Monadnock, so they dreamed up a game of Pong...... and the rest is history.  

Way back in the Pong age, we are just dealing with the logical dimension of time....... phenomenal time would have been a very ad hoc sort of game time.  

Creation is then just a natural extension of that primordial Pong event.  The BPW can be understood as being a gleam in the eyes of the primordial participants....... that potentiality would have been omnipresent....... this other/logical dimension of time is rather fuzzy and coarse grained.  The details ‘gradually’ just get ironed out.  

Physics, in this model, is just the mathematical accounting system.  That is quite a stretch.  One has to explain how E8xE8 falls out of all this personalism, for instance.  

Which came first?  Well, that’s a no brainer.  Ok, then, what language did Adam and Eve speak....... French?  Pardon my French.  

Does dream logic spill into waking logic, or is it the other way?  

Which one was the imaginary playmate....... Adam or Eve?  Or were they both invented by the Holy Ghost?  Poor HG........ he falls asleep one afternoon in the Garden of Eden, and wakes up as a bum in Miami, with a hangover........ how did I get here?   Get me outta here......... or not...... the rest was the best possible history, don’t we know?  

The moral of this little story is........ try not to overthink the best possible Creation.  Just let it come naturally.......!  


10:10.........

I’m still worried about the energy........

Who pays the electric bill for the best possible Creation?  

Physicists never ask who pays the electric bill for Big Bang........ there is just a lot of hand waving.  

One might imagine a primordial heat bath of random bits of panpsychic sentience condensing into the BPW, thereby releasing the heat of fusion or crystallization....... which might then be superfluous energy....... just a thought......



(cont........)

Confusion happens.

But I’m sure we are talking about two sides or three of the Eric coin.

Yes, I meant the weirdo, not the UFO asshole

Anyone not embracing the weird is missing it.

I’m tellin ya.

Hmmm

Live like the Godz on Olympuz!

Not in the shadowz of otherz’ or your own mind and emotionz.

We have an ever flowing spring but we settle for dropz by the stream at deathz door.

Because, it’s not just water, itz fire and water.

It killz and createz at the same time.

The cosmic fire of chaoz is alwayz renewing life.

The water of our thoughtz and emotionz guidez the flame.

Our consciousnezz is the carrier of that cosmic fire.

Or something silly like that

Life and Death are weird.

Might az well just accept it az it iz.

Tricksy was here

No one can save us from being trapped near the inner circle of thought.

Because no one is trapped.

That's a relief to no one.

Every moment Deja Vu, yet every moment new.

We’re examining the foundations of immaterialism.........

We, moderns, have become accustomed to thinking of atoms, in space, as the foundation of reality.  This is materialism, plain and simple.  

What if atoms and space are not the foundation?  That leaves our heads spinning.  

What, then, is the basis of anything?  

We then have to choose between holism and reductionism.  

Which, from an immaterialist perspective, is to choose between sentience and sapience.  

Just as I don’t believe in atoms, I don’t believe in sense data, or data of any kind.  

I can take my cue from the basic question of quantum mechanics...... is there such a thing as an unobserved phenomenon?  

To say yes, puts us right back on the path of reductionism and materialism.  

To say no....... casts us adrift on the ocean of consciousness.  

Well....... more to the point, it casts us at the feet of a primordial, singular cosmic observer.  

Ok, but now let’s see if we can back off a bit.......


10:20.........

Monism, of any kind, smacks of reductionism.  I opt for an immaterialism of the relationalist variety....... to be is to relate.  

Instead of cosmic consciousness, we have microcosmic consciousness.  

Mathematics provides a model of a cosmos composed of microcosms.  

Every number is a mathematical microcosm.  You can’t understand one number without understanding every other number, without understanding the entirety of mathematics.  

But, wait....... the mathematical universe keeps expanding.  How can we know anything, without knowing everything?  

We have just touched upon the crux of holism....... The answer is that, since we know something, we must actually know everything.  

This is Gnosis with a vengeance.  This is chicken little talking...... this is visitor #1 talking...... this is the SoT.  

To give another example, consider the dictionary problem........ wherein every word is defined in terms of other words.  How can we learn to speak?  

The only way out is to posit an innate or universal grammar, as Noam Chomsky did....... not bad, for a claim to fame.  

If you think Chomsky might be on to something, then you’ll be a sucker for the SoT....... Gnostics of world, unite!  

And where does the relational grammar start, if not with love?  

End of story....... QED.  

So, yes, sports fans, it’s not what we know, it’s who we know...... and all that starts with a mutual understanding between child and mother.  That is your dictionary problem in a nutshell.  

Conditional love....... we don’t recommend it, do we, smelly?  

Universal love...... Big Love............?

I’d believe in the Big Love before I’d believe in the Big Bang. Who wouldn’t? Show me who, and I’ll show you a fool who is down on his love.



(cont.......)

It’s a real pickle we have ourselves in Dan.

Trapped and bound by the scientific method.

We know life doesn’t happen in a controlled laboratory.

Spooky action at a distance and all that.

Complexity emerges from common connection it appears.

This costs us our loved non-existent objectivity.

Nihilism posits you don't have to do anything, because nothing matters.

Maybe it all matters, what matters is based on context from a pool of eternal fundamental symbols, not objective existence.

My current understanding.

Finding this out is a journey of self discovery.

By finding the thinness of self compared to the thickness of reality.

smelly,

When you play with the no-self, you are playing with fire....... with Nihilism.  

It is a high wire act, and it’s a long way down.

If you’re gonna play with the big N, you have to play with extreme intent......... an intent which you tend to dismiss, at your own, and everyone else’s, peril.  

It a good thing that you have a training wheel.  

Look, ma, no hands......? Not quite yet. You still have some homework.



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