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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

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With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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Disclosure - For U by U

Post by TheSloth on Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:44 pm

This is Disclosure directly from source, disclosure for U and by U.

Say and post what though will shall be the whole of the rules.


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Post by The Keeper Of The Laws on Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:24 pm

https://youtu.be/7uTe8DVA9Ug
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Post by TheSloth on Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:54 pm

Keeper,

I don't know what others want. I wouldn't trust anyone who pretends to know what others want either.

Maybe disclosure is not about ruling the world but knowing what the world is and why it is here and why we are here living on it.

I think maybe those who want to rule over others have not really been given full disclosure.

Perhaps most people think they can either rule or be ruled, but maybe there is a third option.
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Post by The Keeper Of The Laws on Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:22 pm

Lol

Is what it is Sloth.

"Analyze it"????

Anyway, I was invited in, I wasn't the one who gave out any invitations.

Always looking for the third option.

In the mean time though why not play?

Or listen to a story? I like a good story...
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Post by TheSloth on Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:14 pm

I did put out an invitation only because you were asking about dreams and I didn’t like the rules Dan put out there about how and what to post so I started my own thread.

The Sloth does not adhere to restraining orders.

“Those who restrain desire do so because theirs is weak enough to be restrained” -William Blake

If, as you said, you need no more disclosure, then please don’t ask any questions.

The sloth only comes out of the tree when necessary. So if you have everything you need already then I won’t be engaging with you.

The sloth aspires to impart more peace to others only when absolutely necessary and only to those who have been prepared.

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Post by The Keeper Of The Laws on Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:26 pm

Don't misunderstand me Sloth if you mean Disclosure on ALL mysteries then yes I still have much to learn.

I'm not looking for disclosure on the UFO issue though, it's enough for me to have been there, to bare witness to the things I've seen.

A bit of confusion but that's okay and so are you!

I asked Dan a specific question because it pertains to my personal experience, that's all.

I know some of you are used to snakes in the grass and those who wear masks.

I am not one of those.

We all want peace so don't start a war right out the gate.

Again, I understand your caution and skepticism but I'm truly an open book.

Ask me a question here and you'll receive an honest answer.

I trust you, do you trust me?
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Post by The Keeper Of The Laws on Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:42 pm

And Sloth I don't want you to think I'm being smug and slapping away your open hand.

I'm simply learning the method of communication here.

I mean that I was invited into this entire forum by other means, that some might call immaterial.

I'm going with the flow, just like you.

This topic is a gift, it wasn't something I expected.

Thank you Sloth, truly, I think we'll have some fun here!
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Post by TheSloth on Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:37 am

Keeper,

No worries.

I was also invited here and invited to be a discloser.

I learned from a series of semi translucent mirrors.

Ron, Dan, Smelly, and especially the Princess were a big part of that learning experience.

Pay close attention, follow the signs and omens and dreams, and enjoy the ride.

When the time and dimmensions are right entangled particles will collide.

Yes, we are always having lots of fun in wonderland.

Glad you have been invited to join us.

Very Happy
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Post by The Keeper Of The Laws on Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:27 am

I knew you'd stop being a grumpy ol Sloth and would come down from the tree!

Hey it's growing pains, I'm new here and this forum is the one place that I could point to that might help me understand why I had those 2 dreams in particular. As the people I met in that place, who came specifically to see me, they get talked about quite a bit on this site. I'll give you a hint, of the 3 interlopers that came to visit, Dan wasn't one of them but I thought Dan might be able to illuminate the issue some what. Not sure if it was completely perceived as on topic but I think it was related simply because of the immaterial aspect of it all and I'm glad Dan gave an answer, it's something I can work with and if he was annoyed, well try I'm glad he went easy on me lol.

If anything Sloth my problem has always been being too honest, that's what gets me in trouble you might find but I want to reiterate that I'm really glad you made this thread because I'm certainly going to use it. I'll put out my own disclosures and any one else who wants to hop in, feel free!
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Post by TheSloth on Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:41 am

Sounds like we are off and running then.

I didn't start this topic to contend with any of Dan's avenues or Topics of disclosure, but rather to cohere with Dan and provide an area in the forum where disclosure could be more centered around the idea that maybe U have all that is needed already and disclosure can come from within as much as it can come from without.

Is there even a difference?

What would Alice in Wonderland say?

Was the caterpillar within or without or both?

Anyway, please feel free to post anything you feel related to disclosure or the nature of reality or anything the flow brings you in the moment.

Keep the flow flowing but maybe also remember to think about what is real and what might be real.

Is there such thing as being too honest? Honesty is something I value greatly when it comes to disclosure.

I think maybe sometimes we can be distracted by the mirages.
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Post by The Keeper Of The Laws on Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:07 pm

Thank you for that, that means a lot. This is difficult because I'm playing a game of catchup with all these disclosures and yet I've still been at it for a long time. I can appreciate Dan running a tight ship over there so I really don't mean to rock the boat. I just thought he might be the man to ask because what he had been talking about seemed to resonate with what I had been experiencing and I think questioning what might be real and what is real perfectly lines up with the idea of an immaterial reality.

It appears I'll have to think of something very special for my first disclosure. I wonder what it will be?
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Post by TheSloth on Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:50 pm

I don't think any boat were rocked Keeper

You are perfectly welcome to ask Dan anything you please and I don't think Dan has a problem with anyone creating their own Topics. In fact, Dan has always encouraged it.

Don't think too hard about what you want to post here.

I like to encourage people to smell the flowers as much as possible and to relax into being present.

If you have no questions though I probably won't respond much, but still feel free to post whatever you feel related to disclosure or going back to source as you put it.

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Post by The Keeper Of The Laws on Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:12 pm

Thank you Sloth, I'm sure I'll have a few questions for you as time goes on, you seem to know quite a bit. I'll ask something simple right now, have you ever met the Princess? If so is she every bit as amazing as they say? I don't necessarily buy into every rumor about her out there on the internet but I can tell she is sort of different, not bad different just different. A very subtle difference than most human beings but one that I think I recognize.
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Post by GrandCru on Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:19 pm

The Keeper Of The Laws wrote:Thank you Sloth, I'm sure I'll have a few questions for you as time goes on, you seem to know quite a bit. I'll ask something simple right now, have you ever met the Princess? If so is she every bit as amazing as they say? I don't necessarily buy into every rumor about her out there on the internet but I can tell she is sort of different, not bad different just different. A very subtle difference than most human beings but one that I think I recognize.

What have you actually seen that justified any thought that Aliyah(don't call her princess, it just encourages her inflated sense of entitlement) is amazing? She wears expensive jewelry, goes on expensive vacations, doesn't really seem to have a 9 to 5 job.

It's all BS. She's married to laser scientist who's got $. I think she use to sell real estate.

I've been on calls with her, and never once has she given me the impression she's amazing. Shit, she cares more about animals than humans. She's more likely to save a cricket than a dying child in Calcutta.
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Post by The Keeper Of The Laws on Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:22 pm

Then why was she a big part of your discloser learning experience?
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Post by TheSloth on Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:22 pm

GrandCru wrote:
The Keeper Of The Laws wrote:Thank you Sloth, I'm sure I'll have a few questions for you as time goes on, you seem to know quite a bit. I'll ask something simple right now, have you ever met the Princess? If so is she every bit as amazing as they say? I don't necessarily buy into every rumor about her out there on the internet but I can tell she is sort of different, not bad different just different. A very subtle difference than most human beings but one that I think I recognize.

What have you actually seen that justified any thought that Aliyah(don't call her princess, it just encourages her inflated sense of entitlement) is amazing? She wears expensive jewelry, goes on expensive vacations, doesn't really seem to have a 9 to 5 job.

It's all BS. She's married to laser scientist who's got $. I think she use to sell real estate.

I've been on calls with her, and never once has she given me the impression she's amazing. Shit, she cares more about animals than humans. She's more likely to save a cricket than a dying child in Calcutta.

With what you just said, is it any wonder she likes animals?

Animals are great teachers.

Animals do not let make judgments of people based on what they wear.
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Post by TheSloth on Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:23 pm

Keeper,

That was Cru, not me that said those things.
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Post by The Keeper Of The Laws on Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:33 pm

Okay, I see. It's an honest question, I respect your opinions.

As for me jury is still out but sometimes I just like boarding the hype train anyway.

Not meaning any offence to anyone those days are over. I'm just trying to have a basic understanding.

Keep on keeping on...
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Post by TheSloth on Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:41 pm

Keeper,

To answer your question about the Princess, or Aliyah (she doesn't care what people call her), I would always caution against any sort of judgments using comparisons.  

Amazing is relative.

I like more specific descriptions.

From my experience she is very selfless and spends most of her energy helping those in need, both humans who have lost their way, and animals who do not have a voice.

For humans, she leads by example I think and does her best to show others that they are enough as they are already, but in some emergency situations she might be called in to provide emergency help.

She spent a lot of time helping me, but I was in a pretty dire situation, willing to risk death and leaving my family to have the opportunity to travel into the cosmos just to learn who I am.

The way she helped me was in a way where she gave 100% and expected nothing in return.

She would not want anyone to praise her though because she recognizes what praise really is.

When I asked her what I could to to pay her back for all the time she had spent helping me by being a semi translucent mirror, she simply just asked that I grow and learn and was happy just to see me grow and learn.

She does not seek to be placed in a sort of idolized position, others put her there for their own sakes.

She is here to do what is necessary, nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by GrandCru on Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:48 pm

I call BS on the picture you're painting here Sloth.

I will admit, I'm sure she's a loving mother and a good friend. But this holier than thou attitude expressed in her blog, punctuated with ridiculous stories of trips to Rome where she gave advice to priests to take in the homeless, is fucking bullshit.

I don't care that you know her. You're probably a friend. Friends lie for each other.

This IS the rabbit hole...you'll find no disclosure here. Aliyah is Alice and nothing is what it seems. Look up if you want to see down. Look elsewhere for disclosure if you seek it here.


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Post by TheSloth on Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:56 pm

Maybe the 'holier than though' attitude is a judgment you make in your own mind.

But what is it based off of?

I've never seen her make judgments of others as you are now. I can say that much.

The advice she gave to the priest was pretty straight forward about helping those who really need help and not helping others for your own sakes to make you feel better about yourself.

People help others for many reasons, but from my experience she focus on helping others for their sakes only and not her own.


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Post by GrandCru on Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:04 pm

She waxes poetically about not being non-materialistic and just living life. She claims these things will make you happy. But she goes on expensive vacations, wears expensive jewelry and eats at expensive restaurants. I'd contend that those doling out advice about being non-materialistic shouldn't go out doing a bunch of materialistic shit and documenting it. I see a lot more about her vacations than charity work. Not doubting she isn't charitable, just not in the way that's presented here.


Ask her how we should address the following: fixing student debt, healthcare coverage, homelessness, obesity.
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Post by TheSloth on Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:26 pm

Wow, I didn't know it was such a terrible thing to go on vacations with your family or to accept expensive jewelry gifts from your husband, or to eat good food.

Maybe she doesn't go begging Ron to give her those gifts but he simply does it to enjoy the gift of giving as an expression of his love and appreciation and she gives back to him by accepting those gifts.

Maybe sometimes the best way to give is to receive from those who want to give.

I see nothing materialistic about that.

I know that she was a very successful real estate entrepreneur and walked away from a very large deal in Dubai so that she could focus on her foundation and doing what is necessary to help the world transition and metamorphosize.

I've seen pictures of the inside of their home and it appears to be fairly modest, especially considering the sort of real estate deals she was doing at the peak of her career.

I only know those things because I asked her about them by the way.

Anyway, I will not speak of her any more.

She does not need humans to validate her or who she is.

You are free to think what you want to think of her.


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Post by The Keeper Of The Laws on Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:37 pm

I'll say this at the very least, I want to believe in this idea of the Princess, truly selfless and caring and someone to be admired whatever the real story may be. We can all try to be like the Princess you've presented to me today Sloth though we all fall short at times.

Princess and Ron might be many things but I can see their love for each other seems very real. The two of them are lucky to have each other.

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Post by GrandCru on Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:44 pm

TheSloth wrote:

Maybe sometimes the best way to give is to receive from those who want to give.

I see nothing materialistic about that.



Now that...is some fortune cookie wisdom.


Who calls her princess? When did that start?

Allow me to be more precise...when Aliyah worked for ANM reality or Long & Foster, did she have "princess" in any of her professional descriptions? Or is the princess title a recent title? I mean, it's actually on her LinkedIn profile.

Earthly, interstellar, cosmic, inter dimensional, fantasy...Princess is an entitled, elitist point a view for anyone to have of themselves or others... period. It perpetuates an idea of an entitled hierarchy, which is odd considering the following mission statement from the Kashmir World Foundation;

"Founded in 2008, Kashmir World Foundation develops sustainable projects with an emphasis on the importance of education, training, employment to empower communities to protect their environment and endangered species. We encourage the traditional arts while integrating appropriate technologies to transform social and economic structures."

Right under leadership, Aliyah is referred to as "princess" right off the bat!!! How does perpetuating the idea of "princesses" help transform social and economic structures?!? Do you think all the people in those workshops are like "oh, she's a princess of ShrangriLa, not an earthly princess"??

Kashmir will one day have to answer for her mother's self proclamation of "princess". What answer will she give?


Ok, I understand you don't want to talk about Aliyah anymore.

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