And, wait again, how does egolessnes differ from being born again.....?
It differs only superficially. The form may appear very different, but not the underlying cause.
Personal realization of truth.........?
I’m arriving back in Baltimore.........
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Dan wrote:It is not science/logic that is running at the bottom of the pit, it is logos. This is the last biggest piece of misinformation that is in currency. You already know this, Cy, but you believe that most humans are unprepared for the logos..... so you want to keep kicking the can (of half truths) down the path.
"This is an indeterminite problem. How shall I solve it? Pessimistically? Or optimistically? Or a range of probabilities expressed as a curve, or several curves?..........Well.....we're Loonies. Loonies bet. Hell, we have to! They shipped us up and bet us we couldn't stay alive. We fooled 'em. We'll fool 'em again!" Robert Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
desertdweller wrote:Dan,
But that, in a sense, is a doctrine in-and-of itself. No one is without a doctrine of some sort, just as no one is without a worldview. Even the common notion that, "I do not have beliefs or a worldview, I just use method 'x' to arrive as 'truth'" - is itself a worldview and a doctrine. For "method 'x'," - whether it be rationalism, empiricism, or mysticism - all depend upon certain pre-cognitive beliefs (or presuppositions) about reality, in order to justify themselves as a working "tool" to arrive at the "truth" which is presumed to be "out there" to find. To deny that such is the case is nothing but a clever slight-of-hand, which is so prevalent amongst all enlightenment and post-enlightenment philosophy.
It seems as if you are holding to a fusion of mysticism/rationalism, when you refer to the "logos that resides in everyone's heart." But my question to you is, what do you do with the fact that we are all clearly radically corrupt? As one prophet put it, "The heart is deceitfully wicked, who can know it?" Or as you said, we are bent to fall short of the love which is required of us in order to pass through into the heavenlies, or the "other dimensions" (or what not)? The answer to our condition can't be to turn within ourselves for restoration, since 1) we are clearly the problem with ourselves, and 2) love is a turning outside of oneself toward the "other" (God and then "thy neighbor"). Is there a place for sin in your philosophy?
"This is an indeterminite problem. How shall I solve it? Pessimistically? Or optimistically? Or a range of probabilities expressed as a curve, or several curves?..........Well.....we're Loonies. Loonies bet. Hell, we have to! They shipped us up and bet us we couldn't stay alive. We fooled 'em. We'll fool 'em again!" Robert Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
dan wrote:Thank you, Cy, for offering your assistance with the portal work. I have no doubt that your expertise will prove useful, if it has not, already.
I certainly appreciate your concern for the potential abuses of the portal phenomenon.
(cont.......)
"This is an indeterminite problem. How shall I solve it? Pessimistically? Or optimistically? Or a range of probabilities expressed as a curve, or several curves?..........Well.....we're Loonies. Loonies bet. Hell, we have to! They shipped us up and bet us we couldn't stay alive. We fooled 'em. We'll fool 'em again!" Robert Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
"This is an indeterminite problem. How shall I solve it? Pessimistically? Or optimistically? Or a range of probabilities expressed as a curve, or several curves?..........Well.....we're Loonies. Loonies bet. Hell, we have to! They shipped us up and bet us we couldn't stay alive. We fooled 'em. We'll fool 'em again!" Robert Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
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