Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

dan wrote:Cy,

I've never known Grant to be inaccurate.


Paths #1 & #2......... is path #1 likely to be possible without divine intervention?

Are we not one nation under God? Is there any room for the old Girl, in your theories?

dan wrote:Cy,

Cataclysm of the Fall.........?!

Me thinks this to be where your philosophy runs off the rails........

Felix Culpa...... Would either of us be here, were it not for the Fall??

You believe in original sin!!??

dan wrote:Cy,

Well, of course, with your philosophy of Eternal Return, you uphold what you believe to be your pagan/pantheist roots.

But, Cy, Who then is your Source? Is it Zeus?

dan wrote:Cy,

The whole thing is Conscious(ness)............

OK. And what of Heaven? What does it take to get into Heaven?

dan wrote:Cy,

You are talking in circles........

At what point in our 'soul evolution' will we be allowed to matriculate, by Saint Peter, you know, the one holding the Key!

You are talking in circles........

Jake Reason wrote:Hmmm,
When I posted early today, it was page 73 of this thread. And now it is page 8.

I see the original thread has been separated into two threads.

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Tomorrow it will be more beautiful - 68 and sunny. Rather chilly today.

As you know, Dan, I am well acquainted with the root of any contentions. Who could keep track of how many arguments we've had. Your philosophical leaps are extraordinary at times.

So what's up, Dan? Which major contentions are you wrestling with?

Let me guess...

Imminence?
If so, why should anyone be required to agree with imminence when there are no cosmological indications for it?

Defining Ouroboros?
Must the end of our contemporary age as we know it, necessarily mean the end of all creation?

The Spirit of Truth/Jesus returned?
Hopefully you aren't stuck on this one. You will need to discard that act.

UT/ET Hypothesis?
Well, no one needs to decide on this. Forcing it will not serve any fruitful purpose.

Young Earth Hypothesis?
Anyone with an IQ above 150 can not possibly entertain this archaism. So let this remain a non-starter.


I could list more, but we'll stop there.

Can you share the problem, Dan?

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This thread continues in the Part Two following thread here:

https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/viewtopic.forum?t=113

dan wrote:What.....??

I know nothing about splitting threads.

Jake Reason wrote:2:40pm EST

White Smoke 30 min ago.... Watching it live... awaiting the New Pope to walk out on the balcony. Vatican Guards and Italian Naval Soldiers marching on the steps of St.Peters Basilica, to the music of the Marching Band.




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edit notice: This thread is the Part Two continuation from the original thread - last post here -

https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t6p990-hello-cy-hello-omf-ii#2215

Admin wrote:
Or could it be an automated thing?

Hmmmm. I'll ask him. It would be useful to know if this is an automated thing or not. MD02 was in and has access as a mod but I think he'd have checked with you first Dan.

adding: that quote from Jake is curious. Did he go back and add the link?

Cy

Dan wrote:
Jake,

I am in the very well exercised tradition of idealism and immaterialism. Have you had no truck with that tradition?

Don't knock if you haven't tried it.......

From: Dan
Date: March 30, 2013, 10:34:24 AM EDT
To: Michael Kavanaugh, Steven Earl Salmony
Cc: 52 others.....

Subject: Re: altruism. continuin...

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What I am suggesting is that there is an obvious and radical remedy at hand...... namely that we fight fire with fire.

Every spiritual tradition, to one degree or another, points to a final apocalypse and awakening. However, the sequence of these two events is often obscure. At the very least, there is a divine admonition to mend our ways, or suffer the consequences.

All that I am requesting, at this point, is that at least some of you offer cogent and constructive critiques of this peculiar and unexamined alternative to simply dwelling on the dark side of radical cancer surgery.




On Mar 30, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Dan wrote:

Michael, Steve et al.,

This group of 'environmentalists' distinguishes itself by taking very seriously what should be the obvious probability that humanity is a cancer upon the Earth.

Furthermore everyone here agrees that we should be, and are, seeking radical remedies for this historically unprecedented crisis.

I am relatively new to this list, but certainly not to this issue. This is my second attempt to introduce another radical remedy, which is to consider the possibility that we could be more like a chrysalis than a cancer, and then what this alternate view would entail, by way of our potential activism.

I well understand that there are no traditional religionists on this list. I also understand that, in as much as religion has played any role in the environmental crisis at all, that role has, on balance, been a decidedly negative one. This is just cause for any fellow theists, sharing our crisis mentality, to keep their religious views compartmented. I, however, am advocating a radical departure from this status quo.

What I see amongst environmentalists is the usual and very politically pragmatic stance, within any political movement, of setting aside all other issues, to focus single-mindedly on the issue at hand. And the results have been admirable, with a strongly emergent environmental consciousness, world-wide, and all of this occurring within a very few decades.

Wonderful....... BUT....... we, on this unique and seemingly minuscule list, know that we have barely scratched the surface, when it comes to avoiding the magnitude of the crisis now looming into view.


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From: Dan
Date: March 30, 2013, 11:31:52 AM EDT
To: Paul Z
Cc: 14 others......

Subject: Re: Let's not fall asleep at the gestalt-switch!

Paul et al.,

I know you can do better than this, Paul. I've seen you do it!

I am not speaking to this group as if you were only or primarily professional scientists, which, actually, none of you are, or that I am coming to you with a new scientific theory.

I come to you with a radical solution to a radical problem.......

No one on this list is unaware of the distinct possibility that our world could spiral into an abyss of chaos and destruction, even tomorrow.

You, good folks, being associated with 'fringe' science and philosophy, happen to be one prong of my three pronged initiative to surmount the looming crisis. There are two foci of my proposed solution........

1.) The mother of all paradigm shifts (MoAPS). This intellectual revolution would then be combined with......

2.) A spiritual revolution within both the prophetic and pantheist traditions. This would mark the final millennial dispensation.

I challenge any one of you to argue that anything short of these combined intellectual and spiritual revolutions could overcome the immediate crises that we face.