Personalism 102

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Personalism 102 is just a continuation Personalism 101…….. as we approach the limit of 40 pages.  

The contention remains that the best possible world is necessarily based on the philosophy and ontology of Personalism.  

The ontology is immaterialism, taken at it’s most fundamental level.

No mission but to know thyself.

Yep hobbit, highest global average temperatures on record.

It’s going to get waaay hotter.

93 F water temp off coast of Florida, bleaching corals.

Weather isn’t climate, still…

Crazy hurricanes coming likely.

The oceans are changing colors due to plankton changes.

The biome is being massively changed.

I read a lot of Scientific American, I’m not a climatologist, but it’s likely going to get way way worse.

Now I think the earth and nature are way more resilient than we are factoring in.

It’s just how destabilizing the transitions will be.

We are going to kill each other.

These muppet brains 🧠 are already damaged.

The baby boomers will melt down, they aren’t long for the earth anyway.

But the poor children.

We hurt them real good living selfishly for 100 years.

Capitalism will find some way to live after destroying the earth I’m sure.

The age of of me is over.

Conspicuous consumption is over.

Anarcho Capitalism followers are growing.

I think that climate and fertility collapse are the #1 and #2 issues behind the scenes.

The UAP and Disclosure nonsense I think is just a cover for these.

Look what we did to our beautiful earth.

I’m glad I have only maybe 20-30 years left to live if I’m unlucky.

I wouldn’t want to come back.

But if God asked me to…I would.

But only if he asks

Poor hobbit,

For a while, there, I thought we’d gotten you talking about persons, but now you are back to compressions and decompressions.

We’re not giving up on you, however.
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Chivo has not gotten the memo that ontology is only relative…… there is no existence outside of an interpersonal context.  

So, there is no way to know yourself outside of a context.

And we don’t mean just any old context…. it must be a cosmic context.  

The jguy knew himself in this context.  

And many of his followers understood this context.  

It made us humbly arrogant…… humble because we knew that the first would be last……. arrogant because we were going to be one with the One.

Are the Hindus going to be saved?  

Well, not through the caste system.  

They will learn that salvation is instantaneous or nothing.

It is a gestalt switch or nothing.

It is cosmic or nothing……. we exist as microcosms or nothing.  

Can we be saved without being cosmologists?

Well, it sure helps to know that all we just constitute one person.  

WWG1WGA…….. where the jguy goes, we all go….. eventually.  

Why the jguy?  

He was the first of us to encounter the cosmic Truth.

Has Chivo been saved?  

chick won’t say that he hasn’t been.

There is vicarious atonement.  

There are intercessors…….. despite our best efforts at denial.  

When the portals open, our gestalts are gonna be switched, whether we want them to be or not.  

Why portals?  

Because they are a necessary part of our narrative….. a necessary part of any possible narrative……. and only one is possible……. the best possible one.  

There might be second best in horseshoes, but not in cosmology.

The jguy only had to come once…… that is our guarantee.  

Scientific materialism hangs on only because we’re not ready to face the alternative.

When will we be ready?  

At the best possible time……… not too soon…… not too long.  

Only the Father, and maybe the Princess, know for sure.  
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The only alternative to this being an accidental world is that this is the best possible world.

This goes along with the principle of least action and such.

God had no choice, and neither do we.  

We already know that we live in Anthropic world.

Even the scientists know this…….. although they try strenuously to deny it……. bless their ever skeptical hearts.  

The only question is whether it is finite or infinite.  

If atoms and stars are not the main feature of the world, then, very likely, we are the main attraction…… the world is personal and finite.  



(cont……….)

Poor Dan,

"To see a world in a grain of sand"
WB.
Persons are no different, You think they are, I KNOW they are not.
It's a system of creation based on a duality of spin centred on polarity and equator.

To operate in universe as the so called UFO's do You need to operate exactly as the whole system does, not in this insane explosive manner We are subjected to presently.

I pity You Dan.

hobbit

Dear hobbit,

You refuse to speak to ontology.

Your duality of spin and polarity has no direct bearing on the existence of person.
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William Blake is talk about nature….. he is not talking to nature.  

He is talking to you and me.  

Ok, so Blake is a pantheist.

He can commune with all of nature, but cannot communicate with it.



(cont……..)

I know myself in the context of the world I appear in of course.

No one is doubting that here.

Sure, we have a history.

Not one we know really.

Much was lost.

The jguy was no more or less than you and I.

You can’t pick favorites now.

That’s idolatry.

Smelly doesn’t do idolatry.

I’ve smashed my idols.

If you are relying on books and not your inner voice and heart, distinct from the random thoughts, you really have handicapped yourself.

One does not study themselves or anything objectively.

That is impossible and ridiculous.

You live through this.

Channeling the pragmatists, we are not bound by anything in history.

This is my chief argument against prophecy and eschatology.

If you don’t like it, shrug, complain to god.

Those events occurred in a different context.

We choose now.

We can meet those living in this now from across all of history.

This is mystical.

We have no being outside of our source.

While it's true that ontology, or the philosophical study of existence, often unfolds within a certain narrative or context, it's worth noting that the quest for understanding the nature of being need not always be tied to a particular narrative. Rather, ontology can serve as a foundational endeavor in philosophy, helping to shape and define the context or narrative itself.

For instance, ontology seeks to answer questions like "What is there?" and "What is it like?" These fundamental questions can underpin a variety of narratives, both large-scale "metanarratives" and smaller, more individual or cultural stories. In this sense, ontology can exist independently of any specific narrative, even while it informs those narratives.

In terms of offering a "better" narrative than a metanarrative, it might be more helpful to think of different narratives as being more or less useful or relevant depending on the context. Different cultural, philosophical, or personal narratives may provide meaningful and valuable ways of understanding existence for different people or in different situations, rather than there being a singular "best" narrative applicable to all scenarios and for all people.

Dan is old and set in his ways.

He’s as stuck as he thinks hobbit is.

Not my problem.

Dan is better company than idiot conservatives.

I’m sick of those confused mind virus 🦠 addled liars.

How Dan can listen to the lunacy of Ron and his friends is beyond me.

That’s throwing your pearls before swine if you ask me.

I wouldn’t spend a second with anyone who hides or has secrets.

Those are just egotistical confused idol worshipping muppets.

Boring to the last.

One reason I did like Sarfatti is because he didn’t hide much.

Dan has his boundaries still.

He still can’t be transparent.

I’m sad for him.

Perhaps he thinks he has something to lose.

No one has anything to lose.

They just don’t know this generally.

So everyone can cling to their idols.

Enjoy them.

Chivo,

“No one has anything to lose.”

What kind of statement is that?

What kind of world do you think this is?

How do you differentiate yourself from Janus?  

I have disinvited him from posting on the BPW blog.  

I don’t blame him personally……. he is too much a product of these nihilistic times.  

You come close to being a nihilist about everyone but yourself.

I don’t know what your excuse is.

You really should know better.

You seem to be resentful of anyone who is able to rise above the prevailing nihilism.

I do not know what to attribute my good fortune.



(cont………)

Haha!

I’m sorry real personalism gets you so bothered.

Yes, I share a personal view of moving up the chain of being.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

We is me.

I said no one has anything to lose…being personal.

Nihilism is not my thing and I’m not a Solipsist either.

And yes, many of the recent generations are struggling.

I wouldn’t kick them out.

Pretty intolerant.

The baby boomers have lost their minds.

Those waiting for the earth to be destroyed and all who don’t share their beliefs go to hell are the real nihilists.

What happened to your wonder man?

Relax and maybe welcome all who show up as guests.

Let us separate on OMF as the country is separating by generation.

You boomers are lost.

I’ll disinvite myself.

Have fun!

Chivo,

“Yes, I share a personal view of moving up the chain of being.”

The concept of the Chain of Being is the epitome of impersonalism, as best as I can understand.



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I would suggest you have no, or little idea, what I and Plotinus are talking about

It is not just one state we experience.

We are constantly surging and receding.

From Plotinus' perspective, the Great Chain of Being, which is a hierarchical structure of all matter and life, may not be seen as the epitome of impersonalism, but rather as an expression of the One's emanation. This means everything that exists is a direct result of the emanation from the One, the ultimate reality which is beyond being.

In Plotinus' philosophy, the One is impersonal in the sense that it transcends personal attributes; it is not a deity with human-like characteristics. But at the same time, the One is the source of all beings, meaning everything that exists, including personal entities, emanates from it. The Chain of Being can therefore be seen as the multiplicity of manifestations of the One, including personal beings. So, from Plotinus' perspective, the Chain of Being doesn't embody impersonalism, but rather the unity and diversity of existence as manifestations of the One.

You are not speaking from Intellect.

Chuck Schumer gets personal with the UFO crowd

https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/1679878630975864832

https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/uap_amendment.pdf

Thank you, Gary,

Yes, Chuck has gotten on the UFO 🛸 bandwagon in a major way.  

I would be interested to know what has prompted this recent interest…… if there was something besides what we know of the public interest……. what information he may have received by way of background briefings.
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Onto Chivo’s chain of Being……..



(cont……..)

The only time I feel I am realizing my potential as a human being is when I encounter beauty, stillness, and peace while I live in partial darkness and chaos in this in between world.

Our age is profoundly distracted from this.

Most of Disclosure is just distraction.

Our politics are distraction.

Ironically, our science reveals this beauty more and more and our connectedness.

You can see the immune reaction of the radical right to love.

They hate beauty, stillness, and peace.

The mind virus infecting them is powerful.

Wetiko.

You have to name it.

They seek to destroy this world.

Why would people who want to leave the earth for their false heaven care so much about money and politics?

Because the elite use the useful idiots.

They serve power alone and don’t realize it.

They have been indoctrinated by and collude with business interests.

It’s not too hard to trace.

Just follow the money, but if you call them out, they will stomp you out.

Theocracy has joined with Plutocracy.

They darkness has concentrated itself and thus revealed itself.

Moloch must be fed and they feed their own children to it.

For what?

For nothing.

Total nihilism.

The UAP and Disclosure movement is being co-opted by the secret radicals and the elite.

It will be used to shut down dissent and ensure conformity.

I don’t know if Dan has thrown in with these secret agendas.

You can’t hide your hatred no matter what mask you wear.

And ultimately, they hate themselves.

But love can’t be overcome by their hatred of their neighbor.

They lost before they rose up.

There is a committed insurrection underway lead by hidden right religious radicals.

They got trump elected.

They got the Supreme Court they wanted.

They got the decisions they paid for from that court.

If you want to meet in mind and celebrate beauty, silence/contemplation, and peace welcome.  

The great golden chain is unbreakable.

This is a Dark age, one of our darkest.

But we will come out of it.

We will.

Each has to make that journey themselves now.

Someone threw me a golden rope and I’ll tell you, I won’t ever let go of it.

I suspect I threw myself the rope.

We will come together.

This is our destiny.

How best to live is still the best focus one can have imo in the best of all possible worlds.

Chivo,

This is certainly one of your better posts, imho.  

We understand that things may have have to get worse before we are prepared for the Eschaton.

I know that you anticipate no Eschaton.

There are many more misguided folks than there are bad folks.  

I don’t believe that any of us are more than one gestalt switch away being one with the One.

This is how I differ from subscribing to (an endless?) Chain of Being.

The prophetic tradition simply realizes that the switch may need to be collective, and may require a cosmic trigger.  

In our wired world, the cosmic trigger could simply be a global message of some sort.  

The origin of the message would ambiguous.  

And, yes, it would likely be accompanied by, hopefully, a minimum of paranormal phenomena.  

The likely opening of any portals would be occurring in the background.



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Ok then.

“There are many more misguided folks than there are bad folks.”

I agree.

The dark ones are a very small minority who have consolidated and yield apparently enormous power.

But that is an illusion.

I disagree with you this being a collective realization.

The trigger may be, but it must be worked through by each person.  

I have proven it…to myself.

I am losing the desire to spread the Good News.

I sit in my garden in ecstasy.

But there is certainly work each of us can and should do.

Our part.

There is a golden signal in the zeitgeist.

There is!

Once it has been received and acted on, it is as if one’s head explodes into the cosmos, as it implodes into us.

There is a violence, given the distance we are at the time from what we really are, YMMV.

And yes, it will get much much much worse.

There are dark forces on the march and clouds hiding the true hideous beast.

We haven’t imagined this tribulation.

There will be no remnant raptured, as if they are even close to what I point to.

Everyone will be and are being decimated.

The social bonds are gone.

Now we thrash about violently lashing out at the other.

But how you respond to this is the key.

That I received this signal and changed my life and healed my mind and heart, I of course am net positive on living and am aligned to my source…mostly.

At least I have the rocket pointed at the right spot.

It’s like a wind up car that is heading in the best general direction, but one can veer off anytime and get lost in a fractal.

Am I a radical now?

A revolutionary?

I could be and a powerful one I know.

No, I’m just doing the best I can where I am with what I was given.

I have no fight with the darkness.

The more you resist, the stronger its hold on you.

The Amish have given me clues actually to this.

I had to embrace the darkness as myself.

When I did so, it evaporated right in front me.

POOF

I felt like a mental enemy was vanquished.

At least I couldn’t hear it in my head anymore.

I wasn’t angry anymore.  

Another clue.

Certainly this position gives one some sizable advantages over the misguided and dark ones.

It brings perspective and contemplation.

And then things really open up to you.

Just as the ancients said.

My style is one of playfulness.

I mean no harm.

I have no real disagreement.

I love my brothers and sisters.

I wish them the best.

Though they all do not wish that for ones as myself.

I do not wish my fellow travelers harm or suffering.

I hope they will realize the best in themselves and in this life.

In fact I give all I have to any who cross my path.

Because with nothing holding you back, you are naturally compassionate and generous as a human being.

Playful and joyful.

This brings some positive reaction from the cosmos.

The system is trying to mold us to it.

I reject that and found a better way, one of peace, being natural.

This doesn’t make me anti-tech a la Kaczynski, but I understand where he was coming from and he was mostly right in my view.

We did not evolve to live in a world like this.

We are in fact the aliens in this technological world.

Shipwrecked travelers.

Now I’m sounding Gnostic, but Plotinus and his friends showed up and said, heeeeeyyyyyy, WAKE UP!

You’re dreaming kid!

Here, taste some of this, drink this, clear your head, rest, create, love.

Now look again smelly at the world and where you are.

Do you see it?!

He slapped me many times, and asked, DO YOU SEE IT?!

Actually a long line of entities showed up and slapped me around for years.

One would jerk me this way, another that way.

Yes, I see it.

Now we sip tea by the fire, no more slapping, just a lot of listening here.

My friends around the fire say, no one can see us here around this fire.

They will need to find their way to their fires and they will need to listen.

All I can do is help those I come across.

I do not advertise.

I am not looking for likes.

I only repeat myself now.

Like a wind up monkey.

Now that is funny.

Like a barking dog.

I hope all my friends are enjoying their laugh at my expense.

They told me this is how it would go.

Belief is one thing, living it is another.

I didn’t understand what living meant.

I would say I have a few clues now.

The loneliness a human can feel is unbearable.

Such a shame because we aren’t alone.

A tragedy to watch play out, with some amazing moments of unity shining through.

When one of these cracks in our delusion open, reality comes flooding in and we are filled with light.

That light explodes from the crack across the corporate mind and body.

The few moments of union I have experienced would be worth living a 1000 lives to find.

And, yes, you outdo yourself.  

And, yes, you have worked hard at it.  

But, as with a critical mass, it only requires a slight over unity contagion factor to have a chain reaction.

This is slated to be our real chain of Being.  

Setting this global stage surreptitiously required a considerable amount of misdirection……. mostly above, but also below.



(cont……..)

Maybe if I summed it all up I’d say…a boring life is nice.

https://thedebrief.org/its-time-to-rethink-some-common-assumptions-about-ufos/#sq_he1r147ta7

Thank you, Gary,

The take away is that the ETH is probably false.

In which case, we are dealing with an inter-dimensional/paranormal phenomenon…… also known as the IDH/UTH.  

Thus our modern objectivist worldview is false.  

I agree.  

The most likely alternative is an Anthropocentric/Geocentric reality.  

The next logical step is the BPWH.  
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Chivo,

“…… a boring life is nice.”  

Following the BPWH, we chose to be here for a reason.  

We have the proverbial salutation……. may you/we live in interesting times!  

That appears to be the case for us, now.

Is Revelation/Disclosure imminent?  

Couldn’t the public become bored 🥱 with this limited hangout?

Yes, but otherwise it may be a slow news day……. and news has to be sold.  

I’ve been at pains to point out that there is a logical progression…… from craft to critters.  

The Core story points to the Visitation.

Only thus can we explain the success of the Coverup……. those who need to know, already know.

The rest of us can figure it out with just a bit of ratiocination.  

Those involved in the Coverup appreciate that the center must hold…… or we are facing global chaos.  

The portals will open.  

Who controls the opening?  

The opening will necessarily have been orchestrated from the beginning of time.  

We are just seeing the final stages.  

I think it’s fairly clear that Disclosure has reached the point of no return…….. we have run out of built-in holds.

Folks are going to want to hear the message from the stars …… and it had better be some straight talk.  

Does chick have any competition in this regard?  

Well, don’t everyone speak at once!  

Well, ok, there is the Princess.  

I’ve been admonished to stay off that topic.

She talks to heads of state, as the story goes……. I have no reason to doubt it, and I have no better story.

She claims to be bashful.

Well, Princess, it’s gonna be you or me…… your choice.

It would be great if I had your blessing, but something’s gotta give.

Do you have my blessing?  

Not really, because we’ve never had a chance to talk it through.  

Time is wasting…… and, of late, we’re not even on speaking terms.

I’m always happy to talk to Ron, every time he calls.  

If Ron doesn’t call, FTGM will check in……. it’s all the same to me.

Are we all on the same page?

I’ve always been the guy with the story……. no alternative has been offered.



(cont………)

The primary evidence for the BPWH is the Anthropic Principle.  

Coming in at a close second is the mind-body problem.

Even a cursory search on either of these topics demonstrates a notable lack of interest……. on all sides….. on all fronts.  

IMHO, this lack of interest, especially on the part of academics, borders on criminal negligence.  

Here is the Katechon….. the Coverup……. in broad daylight.  

What is the explanation?  

1)  There is no way to slice this problem into academically suitable fragments.  

2)  The only way that it can be handled is in the guise of the mother of all paradigm shifts (MOAPS).  Clearly it is problem of Biblical proportions….. so let’s let God take care of it.

3)  The ufo 🛸 problem already pretty well encapsulates the kinds of politics that are liable to be involved in grappling with the larger issues posed above……. let’s just see what happens here, first.



(cont……….)

“May you/we live in interesting times!”

This is actually a curse.

And actually there is no Chinese source for this quote.

The British first said it in the 30s.

The Chinese phrase is…

“Far better to be a dog in days of peace than to be a human in times of war.”

We are at war on many fronts.

We will each need to end our war inside first before we find a corporate peace.

I suppose it’s grace that you can find peace in any circumstance.

Chivo,

You are correct, and thank you for pointing it out.  

I was trying to find a word less strong than curse.  

Salutation does imply the opposite.  
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A person who had slipped my mind, in the previous post was Bernardo Kastrup.  

He is pretty careful to stick with his one issue.

Even so, he has been accused of being a wannabe cult leader.  

Otherwise, he has done a rather good PR job for himself.

His one issue is his attack on scientific materialism.  

He spends rather less time dealing with the consequences of a paradigm shift to idealism.  

In what would be its most likely venue, The Idea of the World, he spends zero time talking about the world.



(cont…….)

You should check out Peter Kingsley.

He’s a cultist for sure.

He’s a mystic.

Interesting dude.

Some interesting books.

Was a world class scholar and then he went all mystical.

He’s done a lot of the ancient exercises and broken through apparently.

See Rupert Spira too.

Kastrup, Kingsley, Spira have a cult following, not as familiar with kastrup’s following.

They all move around in the non-duality movement.

People are hungry.

The real teacher turns all students away.

No one really has anything to teach another.

We only support each other as we muddle our way through.

Chivo,

Thanks, I’ll check them out.  

I’m also starting on chapters 4 and 5 in Bernardo’s The Idea of the World (IoW).  

I’m hopeful that he’ll have more to say about ontology and cosmology.  
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I come away from Bernardo’s IoW underwhelmed.  

Evidently, the possibility of small world never even occurs to him.

The possibility of personalism never enters his mind.

In other words, despite statements to the contrary, he is never able elude the grip of panpsychism.  

He never even mentions paranormal phenomena.  

Oh, yes, and he banishes all talk of the unconscious.  

I guess he is trying to maintain credibility with his academic colleagues.  

In short, he remains lost in space and time.  

A Metanarrative………?  Never crosses his mind.  

I’m afraid that his detailed ramblings will only muddy the waters of immaterialism.

Bernardo seems determined to avoid having to confront a gestalt switch of any sort.  

If I were to meet up with him, I would have to ask him to point to one phenomenon that would differ between the material world and his ideal world.

His only interest is to refute scientific materialism……. but to what end?



(cont…….)

I think kastrup is bit of a mystic.

He speaks about Daimons here.

Not his normal production.

Daimons stand between the divine and the human, at the intersection of metaphysics and ethics.

Apparently his daimon drove him to focus on idealism a la Socrates. This would imply he is aware of his guardian Angel. The daimōn is essential to understanding how Plato conceptualizes reason, the philosopher, and philosophy itself. So while he is a rationalist, he has irrational experiences too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimon





Bet you didn’t know that about ole Bernardo.