Personalism 102

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Personalism 102 is just a continuation Personalism 101…….. as we approach the limit of 40 pages.  

The contention remains that the best possible world is necessarily based on the philosophy and ontology of Personalism.  

The ontology is immaterialism, taken at it’s most fundamental level.

The Metanarrative, the Perennial philosophy, has held us in its thrall since the ending of our Dreamtime.  

But, now, with the co-dependent maturation of the Logos, through the explosion and subsequent implosion of scientism, the Metanarrative transforms into the BPWH….. we melt/meld back into the personal Source…… the I Am, our final Participation, our final Dreamtime.  

The space/time manifold will have done its job.  That historical background will become more porous as the portals will come to dominate.  

The Sun will come to lose its lustrous dominance……. the metabolism for which it has been the focus will meld back into the portal infused Dreamtime.  

Will the airplanes fall out of the sky? ……. Later……..
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J,

Eugenics………?

The BPW is not the result of any deliberate action by any of us.

There is no such thing as free-will on the part of anyone.

It is an illusion.  

All of our actions have been determined…… sub specie aeternitatis….. within the collective unconscious.  

Conscious efforts to intervene are very likely to lead to deleterious unintended consequences.  

Loving your neighbor as well as your enemy is the only action that can be prescribed.  
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Chivo,

Thanks for bringing up Dreyfus and Merleau-Ponty.  

MP is a significant antidote to Cartesian dualism……..

The phenomenal thing is not the unchanging object of the natural sciences, but a correlate of our body and its sensory-motor functions. Taking up and "communing with" (Merleau-Ponty's phrase) the sensible qualities it encounters, the body as incarnated subjectivity intentionally elaborates things within an ever-present world frame, through use of its pre-conscious, pre-predicative understanding of the world's makeup. The elaboration, however, is "inexhaustible" (the hallmark of any perception according to Merleau-Ponty). Things are that upon which our body has a "grip" (prise), while the grip itself is a function of our connaturality with the world's things. The world and the sense of self are emergent phenomena in an ongoing "becoming".

1915gmt………..

MP is saying a mouthful here.

Chivo has spotted that putting the two of them together would be a death knell for scientism.  

How scientism is allowed to continue parading about in the world half a century after its zombie status was so clearly announced is the biggest scandal of modernism.

But the chick will tell you why this is so……..

On the flip side of that zombiedom lurks the Apocalypse.  

We are waltzing on that precipice……. and sleepwalking.  

We have to keep our eye on every new crisis, wondering if it will be the straw that breaks the camel ’s back.  

Everyone is poking the bear……. it’s a game of blind man’s bluff.  

We have to wonder if chick has finally worn down Chivo’s reluctance to engage with the Eschaton.  

If so, so what?

At some point we are liable to realize that postponing our inevitable awakening may only aggravate the risks.  

Also understand that with the inevitable monism of a personal Truth, there are liable to be serious issues of synergy.  

There is going to be a domino effect.  

Once again, chivo puts his toe in these waters.  

I think we can be assured that there are others watching the dance.
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In the above quote from MP, we have to wonder about our connaturality.

Would that entanglement not be mediated by the Logos….. by mathematics of the organic/wholistic kind?



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My interest in Dreyfus and his influences were mainly due to his stand against materialism and elucidation of the nature of being.


David Bentley Hart is on the same page as Dreyfus in his book, “You are Gods.”

Really enjoying this book.

Have to read sections over and over and research new paths.

Fun fun.

My appreciation for DBH just keeps growing.

These are world makers.

Dreyfus was a real rebel and ultimately stuck to what he knew was true, he made a huge impact on philosophy and helped overturn the old regime. He held his line and was unpopular for a long time. Folks actively campaigned against him for decades, tried to keep him from getting tenure. He studied dangerous things and had the genius to overcome the big guys.

Huston Smith actually threw him a line and saved him.

I love that strength of Will and determination.

And he was a beloved teacher.

A great man in my view.

And he was right!

This shows you how stubborn and corrupt science can be.

How money has the real power and how dangerous it can be if you stand against big science and established views.

It will crush you.

Dreyfus is one of my heroes.

Yes, European philosophy is almost entirely phenomenological.

How much longer can the analytic remnants of the Anglophone philosophy hold on?

Quine sounded its death knell in 1950, and yet it soldiers on.

Yes, the influence of capitalism plays a big role, but there is also a palpable fear of the unknown.



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DBH points us to Cyril O'Regan who has done a considerable amount of work with Hegel, Heidegger, and Gnosticism. Worth a look.  https://theology.nd.edu/people/cyril-oregan/

O’Regan is one of DBH’s big influences.

Yes, you must start with your experience.

Ponty explored the role of the body and our perception.

Heidegger sidestepped the body.

Interesting.

Materialism is baloney.

Cartesian dualism is a trap.

Leibniz had a big part creating this trap too.

My god it’s so hard for us to break out of this.

There is a real war on.

I love this stuff

Wow!

Cyril O’Reagan has definitely gone off the deep end, with his very current take on Apocalypticism……. and doing this under aegis of Notre Dame Theology.

DBH disagrees with O’Reagan about the return of Gnosticism in modernity. He thinks he’s making a category error. Like a false memory. This error he thinks is due mainly to the German idealists reading of the gnostics that he feels is mostly fiction.

DBH feels there has always been a kernel of the Gnostic in aboriginal Christianity.

There is a growing fascistic theme in modern Christianity embodied by Jordan Peterson and his ilk, including the Hoover Institute sickos, who are trying to use Christianity to fight their sick culture wars that want to deny the core themes of aboriginal Christianity, social justice being a big one and loving your neighbor. Just listen to these Christian nationalist wackos. They know they’re lying. Anyway, they piss me off, but I’m not a Christian. Still, scripture after scripture refutes their deliberate rewriting of Christian dogma and the stupid polis just eats it up. They continue to surround themselves with teachers who tell them what their itching ears want to hear.

They think that to make equal is evil. The early Christians lived communally and everyone gave their money to the community. They were quite anti-capitalist. We are so far from aboriginal Christianity it’s ridiculous. Jordan and his crew are certainly of the katechon.

But I digress

https://ndpr.nd.edu/reviews/gnostic-return-in-modernity-and-gnostic-apocalypse/ …….

I must admit, that as a philosopher, I approached these books with a sense of excitement and put them down with a sense of bewilderment and disappointment. O’Regan displays enormous erudition and a great sensitivity to hermeneutic issues. He clearly has a deep sense that Gnostic myths can be analyzed structurally in terms of their narrative ‘grammar’ and that such a grammatical analysis can be usefully applied to theological and literary narratives, among others. But, the attempt to build a systematic theory and to develop ways of using concepts that depend so much on differentiating them from the same concepts as used by different authors, means that we are operating at a rarified level far from the texts themselves. Even if one succeeded in sharpening Baur’s account to fit the knowledge available currently about the western theological tradition, what is the end result? Philosophers will, I think, breathe a sigh of relief that modern philosophy followed Descartes and not Boehme, and that philosophy separated itself from theology.

Here we are seeing the nature of the pushback…….. yes, compartmentalization, departmentalization…… it’s the only way to hold the Truth at bay.

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Gnostic kernel in Christianity is a pointer to direct participation. They have tried to exorcise it from Christianity for millennia to its detriment.

I don’t know how anyone who takes Hegel, Husserl, or Heidegger seriously can continue to hold onto Descartes and Cartesian dualism. I was reading someone saying our modern logical analytical philosophy was based on misunderstanding Descartes. What is it they did, they pointed out the fundamental interplay of opposites in our perception ala Parmenides and Heraclitus.

We are not symbol ruled based machines.

We have intuition that can make instant decisions when trained.

I perceive therefore I am.

One of the greatest chess master of all time was asked how he decided on his moves. He said I don’t imagine all the moves, I see one move and it’s usually the right one.

This mysterious skill is the heart of Dreyfus’ argument against the AI overlords of the 70s, 80s and 90s.

John Searle also has some great thoughts on biological systems being required to perceive and allow real understanding.

“The argument and thought-experiment now generally known as the Chinese Room Argument was first published in a 1980 article by American philosopher John Searle (1932– ). It has become one of the best-known arguments in recent philosophy. Searle imagines himself alone in a room following a computer program for responding to Chinese characters slipped under the door. Searle understands nothing of Chinese, and yet, by following the program for manipulating symbols and numerals just as a computer does, he sends appropriate strings of Chinese characters back out under the door, and this leads those outside to mistakenly suppose there is a Chinese speaker in the room.

The narrow conclusion of the argument is that programming a digital computer may make it appear to understand language but could not produce real understanding. Hence the “Turing Test” is inadequate. Searle argues that the thought experiment underscores the fact that computers merely use syntactic rules to manipulate symbol strings, but have no understanding of meaning or semantics. The broader conclusion of the argument is that the theory that human minds are computer-like computational or information processing systems is refuted. Instead minds must result from biological processes; computers can at best simulate these biological processes. Thus the argument has large implications for semantics, philosophy of language and mind, theories of consciousness, computer science and cognitive science generally.”

The gnostic kernel is the seed of the Logos……. very personal, especially with the jguy on board.  

It’s also about the hieros gamos…… and the wedding feast.  

Yes, the Chinese Room argument has always been decisive for my understanding of artificial intelligence……..

Yes, it’s syntax versus semantics.  

Our glib facility with words too often pushes us away from any deeper understanding of the Logos……. the logos made flesh…… to paraphrase Merleau-Ponty.  

And, yes, the mathematical side of the Logos is a strong candidate for our final straw……. explain the source of mathematical intuition….. please, anybody!  


2240z……..

Here’s something to take a look at…….. https://hedgehogreview.com/issues/hope-itself/articles/gnosticism-in-modernity-or-why-history-refuses-to-end



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The plot thickens.

I’m reading the new translation of “The Enneads” and the opening translation is Porphyry’s “Life of Plotinus.” It’s funny and interesting.

One thing that strikes me. These guys suffered horribly extreme diseases and ailments and died horribly quite often. This must have influenced their philosophy.

Plotinus was quite the character and the Philosopher  
of the day. Interesting he was sharing secret teachings from his teacher, Ammonius, who taught Plato and Aristotle were sharing the same teachings.

Plotinus’, the father of Neoplatonism, last words were…

“Try to elevate the God within us to the divine in the universe.”

As a child, he wanted to suckle his nurse’s breasts until he was 7, his own admission.

That’s funny stuff.

We are animal and divine both.

Plotinus was kind and available and committed to teaching the youth charged to him.

This is a sign to me he was onto the good stuff.

He was an obvious genius who could hold several different conversations at the same time while working on other problems.

People thought he was god like. They gave him their money and devoted themselves to his teaching. Some renounced all their political work and sold their goods to follow him.

Quite impressive.

This speaks to the hunger in us for truth I think.

Some competitors hated him and sent magic attacks against him that would only rebound back on themselves.

Haha, that’s just too funny.

He was the real deal.

Now this next tidbit is fascinating.

An Egyptian priest came to see him and offered to invoke his guardian daemon before him. They did so at the temple of Isis in Rome. The priest invoked his daemon to appear, a member of said genus. And he then invoked Plotinus’ daemon and a god appeared.

Now what is this magic? I have come across such rituals. But some adepts could conjure these spirits to appear. The priest was astounded and noted how blessed Plotinus was to have a god for his daemon and not a common daemon. They were invoking the archons I suspect.

We have forgotten much in modernity.

But at the fringes, folks with these skills still exist.

Things are not just as they appear to us at all.

In Ennead 3 in “On Our Allotted Daemon,” Plotinus speaks more of this. It’s very imaginative stuff. So specific and detailed. He describes intimately how daimons/daemons interact with us.

Fascinating, reality is much richer than fiction.

His students often were trying to invoke this or that and he was often invited to participate, but he said, “They must come to me, not I to them.”

Do not go asking and looking.

I get him.

It is not just us who need them, it is they who look to us for reasons often beyond our perception and understanding.

Origen, an old fellow student, showed up for one of his talks and Plotinus said he could not speak before one who knew what he would speak of and left early.

He and his students fought false teachers left and right. He learned from Sethian gnostics himself and later turned on them. In particular, Plotinus seems to direct his attacks at a very specific sect of Gnostics, most notably a sect that held anti-polytheistic views, anti-daemon views, expressed anti-Greek sentiments, believed magic was a cure for diseases, and preached salvation was possible without struggle. Certainly, the aforementioned points are not part of any scholar definition of Gnosticism, and might have been unique to the sect Plotinus had interacted with.

He had quite a few criticisms of the Gnostic sects he disliked. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplatonism_and_Gnosticism

Very interesting.

“Plotinus himself attempted to summarize the differences between neoplatonism and certain forms of Gnosticism with an analogy:

There are two people occupying the identical house, a beautiful house, where one of them censures its construction and its builder but nevertheless keeps living in it, and the other does not censure him and says rather that the builder made it most proficiently, and yet he is waiting for the time to come when he will be released from the house and will no longer require it.

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It is possible, then, not to be lovers of the body, and to become pure, and to disdain death, and to know the higher beings and pursue them.”

It seems to me Plotinus believed this was the best possible world and no prison.

I lean towards Plotinus.

“The true human is an incorporeal contemplative capacity of the soul, and superior to all things corporeal. It then follows that real human happiness is independent of the physical world. Real happiness is, instead, dependent on the metaphysical and authentic human being found in this highest capacity of Reason.”

https://www.firstthings.com/article/2017/01/getting-to-larisa

I’ve just recently acquired all of Stephen R. L. Clark’s books. There are some YouTube’s of him. A fine mind.

I’m enjoying “Plotinus: Myth, Metaphor, and Philosophical Practice” as a companion while I read “The Enneads.”

Also reading his “The Mysteries of Religion.”

Philosophy must be a Way of Life and takes a total commitment.

May we become a Daemon, self-transformed through contemplation?

Plotinus was open and kind and a great teacher if his students are to be believed.

He provides some interesting spiritual practices.

I am dealing with some highly evolved human beings here.

I do not feel unworthy.

I feel welcomed.

For I come to this life with a focus now and will that I cannot claim to be entirely my own.

I am blessed and I receive it and I will be worthy of these gifts though it may take my entire focus the rest of my life.

Still, one should not leave themselves or their circumstances or commitments.

One becomes the best possible, the best they can be now.

Beams of light were sent to these people as guides.

I think mine is just arriving now.

Plotinus - Ennead I.6 wrote: Let us fly to our dear country. What then is our way of escape, and how are we to find it? We shall put out to sea, as Odysseus did, from the witch Circe or Calypso—as the poet says (I think with a hidden meaning)—and was not content to stay though he had delights of the eyes and lived among much beauty of sense. Our country from which we came is there, our Father is there. How shall we travel to it, where is our way of escape? We cannot get there on foot; for our feet only carry us everywhere in this world, from one country to another. You must not get ready a carriage, either, or a boat. Let all these things go, and do not look. Shut your eyes, and change to and wake another way of seeing, which everyone has but few use.

The best model of the world is the world itself.

You have to be in the world.

We don’t learn knew facts about the world, we observe and experience changes in the world.

What’s missing in AI is learning/understanding and consciousness.

Raw compute power is not the answer.

No one has any idea how matter produces consciousness.

Computers aren’t helping understand one bit.

As we can observe the outside world we can also observe ourselves and this is where Plotinus can help.

Through spiritual exercises and active imagination we can know ourselves.

Pascal said the god of Abraham is not the god of the philosophers.

Their god was a present god and knowable.

The philosopher’s god was a hidden one.

The Christians had Jesus.

If you see and know him, you know god.

We killed god by doing philosophy about god.

Teaching is learning.

Why is there something rather than nothing?

Heidegger said this is the wrong way to ask this.

You can’t find a rational answer.

We are already in the things that are.

He switched the position, don’t stand outside, you are.

This becomes mystical.

You can have a feeling about being.

Being shines through.

You can’t ask why being is here shining, appreciate it, you can’t analyze it.

So what is the meaning of life?

Having some commitment to some person(s) or cause/work gives you meaning.

This is found in our relationships within the world.

There is a way beyond materialism already percolating and spreading.

Our side step was the best possible one of course.

Neo-Platonism has much to recommend it…….

NP is sometimes seen as an intermediary between gnosticism and xianity.  

NP is emanationist.

NP deviates rather strongly from personalism in that it is absolutist and hierarchical.  

However, emanationism is much more conducive to immaterialism than is Creationism.  

The BPWH pretty much straddles the difference between NP and xianity.  

Instead of starting with an absolute godhead, the BPWH starts with an embryonic form of the I Am.  

How does the Logos arrive on the scene?  

The Logos emerges also in an embryonic fashion…… as the necessary matrix of interpersonalism.  

Can a personalist be a Platonist about mathematics?  

Are we asking about the transpersonal aspect of personalism?

Does it make sense to postulate the logical emergence of a transpersonal realm?  

Are the personal and transpersonal co-dependent?  

In the BPW, there is only one person.  

Where is the interpersonal coming from…….. let alone the transpersonal?  

We are merely invoking the co-dependence of Creator and Creation.  

We are instantiating a mutual Dreamtime as co-Creators.  

Philosophers speculate on the ontology of fictional mathematical objects……. such as infinity, say.  

Once reflexive recursiveness enters the picture, all else follows.  

This is just another way of understanding the necessary sapience of the primordial observer.

It’s like stepping into a funhouse of mirrors 🪞.  

The mirrors are not physical….. they are mental…. like everything else.  

The BPW emerges through constructive interference within the Dreamtime.  

The BPW is a kind of standing wave within Eternity.



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Recursion is incredibly powerful.

I use it in programming all the time.

…standing wave within Eternity.

Poetic.

I like Plotinus and Mr. Clark is right to see that he was giving us spiritual exercises.

You have to do the work.

I watched this today.

As crazy as I think Jorjani is, he’s crazy like a fox

I think he’s onto some very deep gnosis.

I had a thought that Prometheus and Jesus were two faces of something incredible to contemplate.

More and more I suspect we have lost huge pieces of our cultural memory.

Prometheus was forgiven by Zeus.

I guess he must still be causing trouble.

We live in an immanent frame.

That ole time religion just won’t do.

Oh, dear………

Is Chivo being led astray by Jason J?  

Jason is pumping for the Technological Singularity…… where humanity evolves to the next level…… Transhumanism.  

Transhumanism is just another face of the Katechon.  

Yes, technology has played a decisive role in preparing us for our close encounter with the Omega……. on a global scale.  

Technology is our necessary prelude to the global opening of the portals.  

Technology helps to synchronize our culmination of history….. our hatching out as we begin our return to the Source…… the primordial person.  

Technology only provides the stepladder.  

We have all the technology we need, already……. to coordinate our apperception of the interpersonal Truth……. to facilitate our global gestalt switch from materialism to immaterialism……..

This is the turning inside out, and upside down, of our co-Creation.  

This is the mother of all paradigm shifts (MoAPS).  

The MoAPS, on the historical scale, will take place in the flash of an eye.  

The ensuing descent into chaos and Tribulation will mercifully be cut short lest we succumb.  

The portals will open at their appointed hour……. we will enter into our final participation…….. our final Dreamtime.  

Aspects of metabolism will be inverted, along with the ‘eclipsing’ of the Sun .  
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I’ll be the first to admit that this does sound rather drastic……. and that is definitely an understatement.  

However, any form of preparation or preview is only likely to precipitate the event itself.  



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No, I don’t buy into the technological singularity stuff at all.

But some of it is interesting and resonates.

I’m more in line with Plotinus and the Sufis on most things.

I unlike yourself Dan, don’t guess the future.

The future is now.

You often remind me of my sad lost mother.

Bless your lost souls.



At this point, the lowest point of the Kali Yuga, I stand naked within eternity.

Naked as the day I was born.

Free.

Free to become the best I can be.

This is a blessing.

Though the world melt down around us, we shall not.

Not all attain this.

And my words will not be the evidence, my life is.

I swear before all the faces of god, I will rise to this moment, I will not feint nor squander this moment.

I will meet myself in the big blue sky, in the great wide open.

Jason Jorjani is not an advocate of the technological singularity per se.

Jorjani coined the phrase "Spectral Revolution"

It is a threshold humanity crosses where technological, majikal, spiritual and physical reality all mold into a coherent indisputable paradigm shift that transforms the world we live in now to a more elegant version of itself that unifies these opposites.

To me it's indistinguishable from Dan's Eschaton.

I’ve been reading this piece on Jorjani…… https://empyreantrail.wordpress.com/2019/05/24/jorjanis-spectral-revolution-the-logic-of-the-ghost/

Jorjani is a futurist, bordering on transhumanism, and is also a paranormalist.

He calls himself a Promethean, and disavows all other religion.



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Religion writ large is done, the contemplative heart is ascending.

The individual connection is the only way now.

Emerson has laid it out pretty well.

Promethian smethian.

I don’t care what Jorjani believes or not or what right wing lunatics follow him or not or his Aryan wet dreams.

We don’t need a new tradition.

We need to each know ourselves.

He sees lucifer as the savior.

Yahweh, an evil archon or Zeus himself.

Perhaps.

So what?

Make the rainbow connection.

Apocatastasis is an idea originally from Stoicism.

Zeus returning to self-contemplation.

Christians stole it.

JJ may have just a touch of ADHD…….. he’s a bit scattered.  

He pretty much sails right by the foundational issues, and then gets caught up in historical squabbles.  

The first priority has to be to settle on the ontological issues…….. until you pin those, you’re going to be blue sky dreaming.

I don’t think the small world ever shows up on his radar screen.  

He is perfectly aware of the IDH/UTH, but is not interested pursuing it.

He ends up lost in space and time.  

There is a cosmic Teleology……. without a Telos.

This is just where I was before my gestalt switch to immaterialism.

If JJ found his way to the other gestalt, it might turn a few heads.

I understand that we share a source relative to the visitor phenomenon.

But he is a long way from the physics side of metaphysics.  

He takes his postmodern existentialism a bit too seriously.



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He’s angry.

That is a hard thing for a muppet to overcome.

When he used to be on Thinking Allowed he was very calm and polite and measured.

It was an act.

He suckered Jeffrey Mishlove.

Now he’s embodying fiery Prometheus and he’s emotional.

He’s going through a lot personally it seems to me.

Not everyone can pump out books like he has.

I don’t think he is so ADHD.

He’s a vitalist.

He’s more like Julius Evola.

He’s a magical idealist.

On another note.

The Book of Revelation is not predicting the future, nor is it a book of hope.

Throughout history those who have predicted this or that and it hasn’t happened, don’t say, you know, I’m full of shit, I was wrong.

Nope, they double and triple down.

Cognitive dissonance takes over.

This is what happened to Trumpers and QAnon flowers too.

Poor muppets.

And I suspect this has happened to UFO Disclosure prophets too.

And I suspect it has and will happen to Dan when things don’t go the way he thinks they will.

Dan doesn’t have much time left alive, he’s sunsetting.

So he has nothing to lose really to prognosticate.

Smelly doesn’t predict any futures.

Smelly.

Jorjani does not have Aryan wet dreams.

Jorjani has made a very compelling case that entities that we identify as Nordic extraterrestrials are none other than the most elite and efficient slave masters on the planet Earth.

They're time travelers that posed as angelic beings to mold humanity into a specific construct.

They established the Hindu caste system .

They founded nation of Atlantis(America) in the future so that it may exist in the past.

And they use regular human beings as chattel slaves.

Contrary to what has been discussed is the fact

J,

I would not concede so much power to any of our visitors.  

They are mere ornaments of the Katechon.  

So what drives the Katechon?  

The force behind the Katechon is our willingness to attribute magical power to technology, particularly in the field of artificial intelligence.  

In further regard to the visitors……. when the cat’s away, the mice will play.  


Chivo,

Thanks for pointing to Evola…….

He is the mentor for every tin-horn dictator on the scene, today.  

Yes, the Cat’s away………

When will the Cat come back…….

Then He said, “Go out, and stand on the mountain before the Lord.” And behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind tore into the mountains and broke the rocks in pieces before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind; and after the wind an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake; 12 and after the earthquake a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire; and after the fire a still small voice.

The still small voice of the Logos will overturn every one of our empires…….. at the best possible moment…… and not a moment sooner.  

Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the more often and steadily we reflect upon them: the starry heavens above me and the Logos within me.

My money is on the latter.  

I think it's time we stop
Children, what's that sound?
Everybody look, what's going down?

In restless dreams, I walked alone
Narrow streets of cobblestone
'Neath the halo of a street lamp
I turned my collar to the cold and damp
When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence

Wait for it………  

This is what personalism is all about…… at the Alpha and Omega there is only one Logos…… only one person.  

If the internet can do anything……. it can eventually point to our Universal core.  

Everything else is just whistling past the Eschaton.

Yes, we have Parmenides and Plotinus…….. do we need any more?

Of course, P&P triangulate upon the jguy.  

Then there is the Vedanta……..

Is the Vedanta any less obvious than P&P?  

Mahayana Buddhism implicitly affirms the existence of a deep underlying reality behind all empirical manifestations in its conception of sunyata (the indeterminate, the void), or vijnapti-matrata (consciousness only), or tathata (thatness), or dharmata (noumenal reality).

The Buddhists’ and physicists’ conceptions of the void are not so dissimilar.

They both point to the cosmic noumena.  

Jung points to the collective unconscious.  

Are they personal?

Folks agree that they are transpersonal.  

Folks agree that we are transpersonal.  

Go figure.  

What could the noumenal be other than the seed or womb of the Logos?



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You haven’t read JJ clearly J.

He has pointed out Ukraine is the aryan root location where they sprung out all over Asia and Europe.

His whole project is restoration of Persia.

He aligned with the right wingers to help that come about.

He is a transhumanist.

He wants to use technology to do better than nature.

Do better J.

Parmenides/Heraclitus/Plotinus.

Can’t do much better and all is derivative of them in the west at least.

We rediscovered them in the 19th/20th centuries and that ended the reign of materialism and analytical philosophy.

But the materialists are a stubborn lot.

For them to yield would take a dark night for each of them.

That takes time.

If we are at the bottom of the Kali Yuga, we have a 13k year upswing coming.

We are living through the transition.

There are many versions of the Jguy, most are just horseshit.

The reasons a lot of ex Christians use to justify becoming an atheist is the problem of evil.

I think that’s just material horseshit too.

FTGM sends the following link……. https://www.amazon.com/MYSTERY-UTSURO-BUNE-ANCIENT-ENCOUNTER-JAPAN/dp/1797793144/ref=sr_1_1?crid=YJH6Q13VK4UK&keywords=utsuro+bune&qid=1679679228&sprefix=utsuro+bune%2Caps%2C107&sr=8-1

This incident was related to us when the subject of portals came up……. ~2016.  

It was immediately picked up by ftgm who had come across a reference, earlier.  

No, sorry, I’ll have to check on the exact sequence.  
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Chivo,

Evidently you don’t believe in magic.  

Magic, even on a global scale, can occur at the drop of a hat.  

I would be disposed to a bit of cosmic drama , when the time is optimal, of course.  

If our downward spiral were to commence in full swing, would that not be very likely to initiate an eschatological plan of action?  

Would this plan not have been written in the stars from the beginning……. if this is the big One?  

This could be an another trial run, but I think we may already have had enough of those.  

The eschatological intervention would have been calibrated from the beginning.  

Many suppose that we should hope for the best, and plan for the worst……. but in the context of the Eschaton?

I’m not sure that planning for our extinction makes any sense.  At most, you might extend your life span by a couple of years, but under what circumstances?  



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