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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Fri Dec 23, 2022 2:19 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    This is a topic reminder post……

    Personalism 102 is just a continuation Personalism 101…….. as we approach the limit of 40 pages.  

    The contention remains that the best possible world is necessarily based on the philosophy and ontology of Personalism.  

    The ontology is immaterialism, taken at it’s most fundamental level.

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    Post by GSB Sat Dec 31, 2022 5:49 am

    When common sense prevails ...



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Dec 31, 2022 11:51 am

    NE1 payin attention to the material only or books or the words of others IS NOT awake.

    NE1 claimin anything is a liar and a fool.

    NE1 claimin to be Christ or the Antichrist needs a long rest in a rubber room.

    That’s just the false light f**kin with ya.

    Don’t ever believe your own hype, ever.

    You are true comedy 🎭 gold Dan.

    No cheating is possible.

    You can talk a million years if ya like.

    There are no roads or words.

    I do hope everyone wakes up, I’m just not holdin my breath.

    I do not consider Dan as one who has awoken.

    All we can know is what we are NOT.

    He had a chance when he was scrambled, but he is just back to his old script.

    The guy learns nuthin.

    We are unlearnin, not learnin.

    He just doesn’t listen to himself.

    He is religious and there is no religion here.

    The Bible?!

    Haha.

    So no idea what he is talkin about.

    Just my smelly opinion.

    It is nigh impossible for muppets to let their biases and beliefs go without a true death.

    You tug on their beliefs and they get nasty.

    Just let your own go, that’s gud nuf.

    Baahhhhh, round and round we go.

    Keep at it muppets!

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    Post by dan Mon Jan 02, 2023 6:33 pm

    Let’s be clear that no one ever told me anything about anybody’s participation in any Las Vegas event.

    If there is a liar in this vicinity, it must be the chick 🐣.  

    It is my fault for ever getting off the philosophical path.  

    Could we please get back on track……..


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jan 03, 2023 12:22 am

    From here, there are no roads or tracks.

    Make your own.

    We are all liars.
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    Post by dan Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:37 am

    The Princess has wonderous stories to tell, even down here at the end of the world.  It doesn’t seem to bother her that they don’t have a context.  

    There is the assumed to be of some sort of hierarchy, which remains ill-defined.  

    There remain many who wish to know who we are…… in the larger scheme of things.  

    This is not being provided…… so I continue with the story of the small world.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:43 pm

    We are the music makers

    We are the dreamers of dreams

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    And also

    The makers of memes and the doers of deeds

    The scriveners of schemes and the intelligent machines

    Somethin’ along those lines



    We know ourselves best by our actions

    When we are doing our best work we are not there objectively speaking

    Our work speaks for itself

    And all is accomplished on its own





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    Post by dan Sat Jan 07, 2023 1:13 pm

    I am suggesting that the Princess is putting herself under a lot of pressure with respect to the opening of the 144,000 portals.

    Perhaps she should relax on that score.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:18 pm

    Enjoy your cruise scrambled eggs.

    I’m not worried about what has not come.

    There is no pressure really.

    There are no real threats.

    It’s all in our heads.

    To any who come to OMF and let it upset them, relax.

    Just be love.



    My thoughts on a philosophy of portals.

    The concept of portals suggests that there are multiple dimensions or realities that exist simultaneously, and that it is possible to travel between these dimensions through the use of portals. This philosophy holds that these portals are not just physical openings, but also metaphorical ones that allow us to shift our perspective and access new ways of being.

    In this philosophy, the use of portals is not just about traveling to new physical locations, but also about accessing new levels of consciousness and understanding. These portals can be found within ourselves, as well as in the world around us, and it is up to us to seek them out and step through them.

    By embracing the idea of portals and actively seeking them out, we can break free from the limitations of our current reality and access a limitless array of possibilities. We can use these portals to discover new parts of ourselves, to connect with others in deeper ways, and to experience the world in a more meaningful and fulfilling manner.

    Ultimately, this philosophy suggests that the ultimate goal of life is to continually seek out and step through these portals, in order to expand our understanding of ourselves and the world around us.

    “Protect yourselves, because you are in a place where spirits get eaten.”

    —John Trudell

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    Post by dan Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:19 am

    Enroute to Falklands

    Folks lean toward a quantitatively infinite world, because we can each be our own center.  

    Similarly we postulate an infinite hierarchy, evolutionarily.  

    For a world that is personal and quantitatively finite, there is some obligation to be cognizant of it…… to participate in the coherent unity…… even to proselytize.  

    There are overriding social obligations, since we are all soulmates.  Otherwise, our sense of obligation is merely genetically programmed….. an accident of our history.  

    Egocentricity is the only rational alternative.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:16 pm

    We long for reconnection, while we could not exist without connection to our source.

    There is a force in us, as many have found, that injects energy into us constantly.

    This is fed upon by a parasitic force in the world.

    Round and round we go.

    The ego clings to a name.

    What is a name?

    I have come up with my own unique way to immediately point back to yourself.

    Drop your name.

    This is similar to the headless way of Douglas Harding.

    Drop your name and you bypass the barrier.

    On Self-Knowledge

    —Khalil Gibran

    “And a man said, Speak to us of Self-Knowledge.
    And he answered, saying:

    Your hearts know in silence the secrets of the days and the nights.
    But your ears thirst for the sound of your heart’s knowledge.

    You would know in words that which you have always known in thought.
    You would touch with your fingers the naked body of your dreams.

    And it is well you should.

    The hidden well-spring of your soul must needs rise and run murmuring to the sea;
    And the treasure of your infinite depths would be revealed to your eyes.

    But let there be no scales ot weigh your unknown treasure;
    And seek not the depths of your knowledge with staff or sounding line.

    For self is a sea boundless and measureless.

    Say not, “I have found the truth,” but rather, “I have found a truth.”
    Say not, "I have found the path of the soul.” Say rather, “I have met the soul walking upon my path.”

    For the soul walks upon all paths.

    The soul walks not upon a line, neither does it grow like a reed.
    The soul unfolds itself, like a lotus of countless petals.”

    We live in a Zombie world seeking to devour us.

    We also live in a meaningful world that unfolds continuously.

    The Apocalyptic thread in our culture is just another echo of longing to be reconnected.

    Through self-knowledge, you will see you are always connected.

    An awakened one has no need of an apocalypse.

    There is an argument the church was the katechon and secularism is speeding up the return of Christ.

    Apocalypticism is not compatible with conservatism or any politics really.

    I think it is a form of madness.

    “All that remains is mimetic rivalry, and it escalates to extremes.” A society without religion, ritual, constraint, or limit, in which atomised individuals compete with each other in steadily worsening spirals of envy and hostility, is the clearing in which Christ will reappear some prophets say who suggest the decline of religion and the West makes way for the Christ.

    They are looking to the end of the dream without realizing they are the dreamer.

    What is the better investment?

    Build a bomb shelter and hide at the end of the world with weapons or get down to the hard dirty business of meeting your unconscious where you are.

    The coward ego runs and hides.

    The coward ego preps.

    The coward ego goes to the shooting range.

    The wise know themselves.
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    Post by GSB Tue Jan 10, 2023 5:49 pm

    By way of Jack's list (comments anyone?)

    [i]Exhibit from upcoming trial revealing CIA Deputy Director Ron Pandolfi’s earlier involvement in another technoscam via this alleged ‘briefing’ for the President of the United States and Hollywood’s Steven Spielberg.

    Former CIA Scientist and Analyst Dr. Ron Pandolfi, former U.S. Congressman Dan Marriott of the world famous Marriott Hotel chain, both could testify in California Superior Court in a trial for participating in a “technoscam” involving UFOs and a phony “anti-gravity”device that bilked investors.

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    Post by dan Wed Jan 11, 2023 1:33 am

    Besides a fundamentalism of some sort, existentialism is another alternative.  

    Existentialism is a very watered down form of personalism.

    Existentialism carries no obligations…… other than to act in a self centered manner, perhaps.  

    Suicide is an ever present issue with existentialism.  This alternative, however, is often offset by fear of the unknown.  
    ………..


    As long as personalism is a possibility, it is a distinct probability.  The Princess keeps that probability alive, despite personal setbacks, as, for instance, on this trip.

    We remain open to a paradigm shift…… gestalt switch….. coming from God knows where.  

    chick suggests it comes from the collapse of scientific materialism…… Disclosure.  

    It comes from the collapse of modernism, with its belief in indefinite scientific/technological progress.  

    This is particularly likely to happen in the recognition of the ontological distinction between natural and artificial intelligence.
    ………


    Gary,

    Whatever legal or extralegal pressures are brought to bear on foot, they seem only to augment his very longstanding mystique.  
    …………


    The historical developments in artificial intelligence have served only to highlight the ontological rather than epiphenomenal role of consciousness and the unconscious.  

    Consciousness can hardly be said to exist beyond the purview of a Self.  

    The existence of an isolated self presents intractable ontological paradoxes.  

    A self is nothing without a cosmic foundation….. without a transpersonal context.  This transcendental context is the basis of personalism.  

    The clearest way to invoke the transpersonal is  simply to ask….. who observes the quantum observer.  
    ……….


    In the context of personalism, it is useful to re-invoke the perennial question of ontology….. why is there something rather than nothing.  

    The non existence of nothing is underscored within personalism.  

    Personalism reinforces the ontology of Pratityasamutpada……. the necessary cosmic, holistic context of existence.  

    Such a context, in its turn, supports the sole existence of the best possible world.  

    The cosmic nature of existence precludes the possibility of separate or multiple worlds.  

    The personal, eternal, singular nature of existence is strongly suggestive of a qualitative bias……. towards melioration…… of some sort…… of a personal sort.  
    ……….


    Besides the problem with consciousness, we have the Anthropic problem and all the issues of fine-tuning that it raises.

    In particular, the alleged evolution of consciousness requires a teleological explanation…… a final cause.

    John Wheeler calls it the participatory universe…… the universe anticipated our arrival on the scene.

    The universe had to produce its own observers……. with a bootstrap operation.

    This is just the manifestation of Pratityasamutpada……. the entanglement of cause and effect…… of Creator and Creation.




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    Post by GSB Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:47 pm

    Gary,

    Whatever legal or extralegal pressures are brought to bear on foot, they seem only to augment his very longstanding mystique.


    Yes, but is this at the taxpayers' expense?! ;-)


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    Post by dan Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:06 am

    Thursday 1/12/2023
    ……………

    Enroute to Montevideo…….. on Saturday

    The penguin colony on the Falklands was a highlight of the trip.

    The trip around the Horn has not gotten us closer to any Disclosure that I am able to ascertain, despite the considerable anticipation.  

    The modern paradigm remains intact…… seemingly impregnable…… unperturbed by the diminishing prospects of material progress.  

    A viable alternative is not presenting itself.

    The BPW is wonderful to contemplate, but it is not putting food on the table.

    Can’t we have capitalism or just sustainability and the BPW?  

    Civilizations have existed for millennia in stasis, while entertaining various systems of transcendence……. usually including an afterlife.  
    ……  


    However, it is not clear that modern civilization can have a soft landing after centuries dependence on growth and material progress.  

    The pairing of capitalism and democracy appears to be giving way to a modern feudalism or autocracy.  

    Some of these transitions come about with a minimal use of force.  

    There is the additional problem of overshoot…… that our current numbers and rates of consumption will have to be scaled back in order to stay in line with the depletion of non-renewable resources.  
    ………..
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    Friday, 1/13/2023
    ………….

    Last of three days at sea.  

    NYTimes has an article on a Defense bill that has a Roswell rider.  

    NYTimes jumps on the ETH, just as it is being overtaken by the IDH……. signaling a calculated desperation of the liberal intelligentsia
    ………….


    Back in 2017, it was the tic-tac videos.  

    In 2023 it’s boots on the ground, with the near certainty that the insiders have had personal contact.  


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jan 13, 2023 6:46 pm

    ‘"Is", "is." "is"—the idiocy of the word haunts me. If it were abolished, human thought might begin to make sense. I don't know what anything "is"; I only know how it seems to me at this moment.’

    — Robert Anton Wilson, The Historical Illuminatus Chronicles, as spoken by the character Sigismundo Celine
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    Post by 101airborne Sun Jan 15, 2023 8:25 am

    "It happened that a fire broke out backstage in a theater. The clown came out to inform the public. They thought it was just a jest and applauded. He repeated his warning, they shouted even louder. So I think the world will come to an end amid general applause from all the wits, who believe that it is a joke." - Soren Kierkegaard. "A" in Either/Or, I, p. 30
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    Post by dan Sun Jan 15, 2023 1:25 pm

    In effect, the NYTimes is providing an opening to the Core story……

    The Core story focuses on the fact that there have been three main Visitors……. #1,2&3…… spread over 35 years…… 1940s to 1970s, featuring a philosopher, technician and historian.  
    …………..
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    Saturday 1/14/2023 - Montevideo.  

    The South American excursion does not appear to have brought us any closer to Disclosure.  

    The NYTimes article on the Roswell rider in the Defense appropriations bill may have provided such an opening, almost as if in compensation.  

    The likelihood of a meaningful interaction has been put on the table.  

    The follow up question is who are the likely recipients of this information, and why is it being withheld……. on whose authority?  

    Finally, the question has been raised in a definitive manner, although the implications have been with us for generations.    

    One might wonder who or what was behind the  story.    

    There was the Admiral Willson story where a high ranking intelligence official could simply be told that he didn’t have a need to know.  

    It Is said that Presidents have been told that they did not have a need to know.  Presidential curiosity does not constitute a need to know.
    …………
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    Today……..

    Buenos Aires…….

    There is an attempt to regain the initiative…… to put a positive spin on the southern excursion.  

    Ok, let’s say that Cape Horn is ours.  

    It fell to our blandishments.  

    The Sun will go out on time, with two or three weeks of Disclosure…… or twenty-three weeks.

    I’m still holding out for the elliptical model of Creation.

    We have a close encounter with the Eschaton.

    It would be much less dramatic.

    The Sun would gradually lose its…….. objectivity…… unremarkably so.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jan 15, 2023 8:04 pm

    “I'm just a human being trying to make it in a world that is very rapidly losing its understanding of being human.”

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    Post by GSB Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:10 am

    There is the additional problem of overshoot ... that our current numbers and rates of consumption will have to be scaled back in order to stay in line with the depletion of non-renewable resources.

    Here you go, Dan:

    BEIJING/HONG KONG, Jan 17 (Reuters) - China's population fell last year for the first time in six decades, a historic turn that is expected to mark the start of a long period of decline in its citizen numbers with profound implications for its economy and the world.

    The country's National Bureau of Statistics reported a drop of roughly 850,000 people for a population of 1.41175 billion in 2022, marking the first decline since 1961, the last year of China's Great Famine.

    Long-term, U.N. experts see China's population shrinking by 109 million by 2050, more than triple the decline of their previous forecast in 2019.



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    Post by dan Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:10 am

    The name of Happer continues to surface frequently, often in the context of a hapless lone penguin who happened to be standing sentry on the outskirts of a particular Falkland colony.  

    Magical thinking…… whimsical thinking.  

    And this is the final day in the South…… three weeks older, perhaps a bit wiser…….. perhaps 🤔.

    As far as any unwanted, unwarranted attentions may be concerned, the relevant gendarmerie have been duly tasked.
    ………


    We will be paying our due respects to Eva…….. don’t cry for me, Argentina 🇦🇷.  
    ……….


    NYTimes……… China’s Population Falls, Heralding a Demographic Crisis

    The Capitalists are screaming 😱 about the baby dearth.



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    Post by painterdoug Wed Jan 18, 2023 7:51 pm

    Hi Dan , take it you are back?
    I will say I enjoyed the calm restful rolling seas of the normally ravaging horn.

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    Post by GSB Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:12 am

    I had a dream involving Ron Pandolfi in which Dan's role was the minor 7 flat 5.

    https://youtu.be/-GIMT65miwI


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    Post by painterdoug Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:21 am

    Lol I just hit that chord on my piano. Somewhere between stressful and tragic. Certainly dissonant .
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    Post by dan Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:51 am

    An email from Ron……. Jan 19, 2023 - 4:25 am
    Hi Dan,

    ……….

    We are asking that you send an email to both Chris and Ryan Bledsoe correcting that you visited Chris without our knowledge, consent, or guidance; and threatened him without our knowledge, consent, or guidance. We are also asking that you correct that you sent Kevin Alber to meet with Chris without our knowledge, consent, or guidance. Moreover, we are asking that you correct that neither I nor Aliyah ever expressed any interest in harming Chris or restricting his freedom of expression. We are asking that you correct that you fabricated all claims that Aliyah or I had any knowledge of your actions before you met with Chris and that when informed we immediately and firmly asked you to cease threatening Chris and leave his premises. We also ask that you post the email to your blog.

    Thanks,

    Ron
    This email is referring to events that occurred in the Winter of 2017-18.

    They resurfaced on the first day of the excursion to South America, as allegedly implied in threats made to Ron and his family.  

    The threats continue.  

    I was seeking consultation with Diana Pasulka, philosopher of religion at UNC Wilmington……. Chris was known to me as her ufo colleague.  

    Chris, perhaps wisely, refused to be an intermediary.  

    I wrongly interpreted this as a refusal to take the (2017) situation seriously.  I was, of course, unaware that he and Ryan would be making this impromptu visitation a feature of their subsequent ufo presentations…… prior to my being informed about the threats, just three weeks ago.  Some third party individuals have, very recently, decided to insert themselves into the picture.

    I was making it very clear to Chris that I was seeking contact with Diana, hopefully, as a sympathetic outsider.  

    I never represented myself as an agent of any other parties.  

    That he might have construed me as something else should have come as no surprise, however.  

    That Ron wishes, now, to place maximal blame on me should also come as no surprise.  



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:39 pm

    Sigh, silly muppet games.

    Scrambled eggs still hasn’t figured out there is no one to talk to beyond himself and in that, he should listen.

    And if you are dreaming about Dan, get your head checked.

    I dream of lovely curvy blue beauties.

    Does anyone sing old fashioned love songs anymore?

    Hey Dan, maybe grow up, you don’t have much longer in this beautiful green illusion.

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