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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    This is a topic reminder post……

    Personalism 102 is just a continuation Personalism 101…….. as we approach the limit of 40 pages.  

    The contention remains that the best possible world is necessarily based on the philosophy and ontology of Personalism.  

    The ontology is immaterialism, taken at it’s most fundamental level.

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    Post by dan Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:07 am

    Yes, all of you, including Ralph Waldo, are leaning away from Personalism.  

    I lean into Personalism.  

    So listen to Bentley Layton…….. Gnosis is much more about acquaintance than knowledge.  

    Prayer is simply acting on one’s personal acquaintance with the Source…… the center of our Being.  

    The jguy nailed that Center, personally……. and for all time.  

    We discount him at our personal peril.  

    Hobbit is my exhibit A.  
    ………..


    Qua Harold Bloom…….. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/harold-bloom-finally-betrays-how-little-he-really-understood-literature/

    Qua Emerson………
    We live in succession, in division, in parts, in particles. Meantime within man is the soul of the whole; the wise silence; the universal beauty, to which every part and particle is equally related, the eternal ONE. And this deep power in which we exist and whose beatitude is all accessible to us, is not only self-sufficing and perfect in every hour, but the act of seeing and the thing seen, the seer and the spectacle, the subject and the object, are one. We see the world piece by piece, as the sun, the moon, the animal, the tree; but the whole, of which these are shining parts, is the soul.

    For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

    But Emerson enacts as well as describes the succession of moods, and he ends “Nominalist and Realist” with the “feeling that all is yet unsaid,” and with at least the idea of some universal truth.  

    Does Trinitarianism not deny unity?  

    No.  Trinitarianism renders that unity palpably personal.

    But let us not doubt that many, within and without Christendom, have been abused in the name of the jguy.  

    Yes, the Katechon surely has fangs.



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    Post by hobbit Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:38 am

    I am an exhibit.

    Have You a glass case to put Me in?

    Where will I be displayed...Smithsonian?

    If You put Me in the Smithsonian ( please do) will escape the glass case and fire up Dr TT Browns fan, which is in there.
    It is more than any fan , and will then trip about in time.

    Maybe I know the tunes to play?

    https://www.ttbrown.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=548

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    Post by dan Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:06 am

    Hobbit,

    Your most precious possession is your personhood.  

    You willfully and gleefully deny it…… to what end?  

    You rightfully see the many who arrogantly abuse every privilege of personhood……. and often it is the deniers who are first amongst them.  

    Do you truly wish, however, to be remembered as an ingrate?

    In your 12 dimensional cosmos, you end up sitting on a goldmine, and can barely recognize it.  

    That’s alright, you will have all of eternity to contemplate 🤔 your best possible mistake.



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    Post by hobbit Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:39 am

    Don't fret Dan,

    This hobbit will be right there at the right time.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPTI4m6KcJQ

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    Post by dan Thu Mar 09, 2023 1:29 pm

    Well, I will try not to fret…… on God’s account.
    ………..


    Theologians have the following dilemma……. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/divine-simplicity/#N43DoleMystMove ……. how might Divine free will be reconciled with Divine simplicity?  

    Or how might the notion of possible worlds be reconciled with Simplicity?  

    This is not the sort of issue about which I lose much sleep 😴.  



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:11 pm

    I think you are getting into the spirit just now Dan.

    It’s mystical and deep, beyond deep.

    Feel it?

    I do.

    I tell you…

    Until God comes close to you, you are just flappin in the breeze.

    But if that moment does come.

    Don’t shrink back.

    Go beyond the Archons.

    Listen to yourself.

    There is a way back to the sky.

    Some nothing will call to you.

    I’d answer.

    I’d fall in love.

    Head over heels.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:20 pm

    Dan I am pointing to the most personal and utmost.

    The moist red clay.

    Hobbit isn’t so far off.

    Neither are you.

    There is room for all of us on this ship of fools.

    There is a higher love.

    A love beyond my understanding.

    I can only fall in the dirt weeping before it.

    And so I should, as all of us should.

    Bring me a higher love.

    We ignorant apes.

    Smelly and stupid before the source of all things.

    Seeing is seeing ourselves, our true self.

    Bring me a higher love.

    If only a brief phantom I be, it was a worth it to see this.

    Perhaps the most high will remember me once or twice.

    I sound like an Angel.

    That would be more than enough.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:36 pm

    Our closeness is natural, our distance acquired.

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    Post by dan Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:16 am

    Yes, in every person is the Soul of the Whole……. to paraphrase Emerson.  

    This is our Divine Simplicity.  

    This is Seed of the Logos…….. the cosmic Self…… the Source…… etc…….

    Any chatbot can say this, but show me one that understands it.

    Chatbots have their place in the world…….. their principal function may be to demonstrate that there is no soul in the machine.

    When enough of us take that limitation to heart……. reaching that threshold may well signal the collapse of scientism.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:08 am

    I would not want scientism to collapse, but I would like it brought to heel.

    Science serves as chatbots do.

    Soulless.

    It is unhealthy for us to be so dominated by reductionist scientific thinking.

    It is the poet who is the master of science.

    We as human beings easily miss the profound reality of being.

    Because it is so close to us.

    So intimate.

    We get way out in front of ourselves.

    But when we learn to always return to what we are, things are just so much more clear.

    The anger has no place.

    Fear becomes just the warning signal it is meant to be.

    It is profound.

    There is no enlightened state to become or find.

    Being is rather ordinary.

    It just is this.

    So easy to step all over and miss.
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    Post by dan Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:57 am

    Chivo,

    Correct, we are not confusing science with scientism.  

    Unfortunately, the scientific/academic establishment, all too often, does propagate that confusion.

    We no longer have the Cartesian (mind/matter) dualism to keep the peace.  

    Each side realizes that it is in a struggle for survival……. it is Monism or bust.  

    The principal meditating force is Buddhism……. saying that mind and matter are both empty constructs.  

    I, for one, take issue with cosmic Emptiness.  

    Is Buddha-hood nothing?  

    It is awareness of emptiness………. something very different.  

    What is emptiness, if there is no awareness of it?  

    Without that awareness, emptiness just implodes upon itself.  

    Sunyata is the primordial experience of the I Am.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:29 pm

    Nothing and emptiness have had so much written about it.

    Zen is where you want to look minus all the religious Buddhist stuff.

    Emptiness and nothing are much more than our western understanding.

    It’s fullness.

    This is one of the best things written about zen.

    https://terebess.hu/zen/Huangpo.pdf

    Search it for emptiness.

    Samsara is chaos, perfection is stillness, a calm lake.
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    Post by dan Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:46 am

    Thanks.  

    In special ways, zen/Buddhism is more personal than xianity.

    However, if I’m in a bind, I think I’d pick the jguy over Sidd……. just saying.  

    Yes, the jguy is my go to guy, especially in the vicinity of the Eschaton.

    Poor Sidd, he had nary a clue.  

    As far as Xi’s diplomatic success is concerned, he is merely exploiting the last gasp 😮 of the Katechon.  

    Yes, fools will rush in.

    Although, rumor has it that Xi, personally, may be tuned into the larger game plan.  

    Yes, he, personally, would have a significant role to play.  



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:01 pm

    Christ is the Aeon, not the Jguy.

    Get your Gnostic stories in order.

    The katechon and Eschaton are part of the Archon’s game.

    Christ is not playing that game.

    Christ is the bridge back to the realm of light.

    You go ahead and play the Archon’s game Dan.

    Or you can follow smelly 🐐

    Your choice.

    Or so the story goes Wink

    Who you gonna bet on Dan?

    The Archons or the Aeon?

    I thought you were Sophia’s boy.

    Choice seems easy to me.

    This is the Archon’s world.

    History belongs to the Archons don’t ya know.

    They will keep you here forever.

    Don’t you believe a half truth Dan?

    Have you just been chasing your tail for all these years?

    Perhaps.

    Xi only has a part to play in the Archon’s drama, which is a trap.

    You should be into what Ibn Arabi and Smelly 🐐 are on to.

    The Archons drove you crazy, but Christ can set you free.

    But that’s all silliness, right?

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    Post by dan Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:12 pm

    The Metanarrative is within Eternity……. it does not include Eternity.

    Poor Chivo, he still has a couple of minor details to take onboard.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:13 pm

    Any smelly 🐐 knows that 🍗

    You are quite confused on many points my good man.

    I assure you, smelly 🐐 does not share your confusion.

    You will be stuck in the metanarrative for quite a spell it seems.

    Enjoy, make the most of it.

    Have a margarita while you wait.

    I’ll send you a beam of light now and then.

    Eternity now.
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    Post by dan Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:59 pm

    True……. chick 🐣 makes a point of not ignoring the Metanarrative.

    It’s the only narrative that we have, this side of Eternity.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:22 pm

    The metanarrative belongs to the Archons.

    Anyone fighting for history, fights for them.

    They are part of us, no doubt.

    What Christ has done is done.

    Again, so the stories go.

    We do love our stories.



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    Post by dan Sun Mar 12, 2023 1:02 am

    Thank you, Chivo, for reminding us of the Archons.  

    The Archons are the rulers of the Katechon.  

    The queen of the hive comes to mind…….. incorruptible.

    But all narratives must have a resolution.  

    The resolution of the Metanarrative is the Eschaton.

    The Eschaton is the best possible resolution of our best possible Metanarrative…….. which is also the only possible.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Mar 12, 2023 1:04 am

    I’m just pulling on your 🐔 🍗

    I know how to live my life, not anyone else’s.

    Feeling it out everyday as I go.

    Still, being-in this world and time, is also being-with all that appears here.

    When one comes to feel, hey, I didn’t ask to be here, leads to the why questions.

    One can answer and treat all as absurd, they can drop out, they can revolt and try to make it the way they want it to be or they can do what Heidegger suggested and the Stoics, Taoists, and Zen do, accept it, make the best of it, get along, make this your home.

    Some of our Christian and Islamic brethren just aren’t going to take this anymore, they are gonna make the world the way they want it.

    Bless their little existentially tortured dualistic hearts.

    Heidegger suggests you can love this world as your home.

    Temporary it may be.

    This is not a prison.

    More and more I come to appreciate Heidegger’s depth.

    He trumped Plato and Descartes and all the other derivative philosophers.

    To bring out the best, we have to find meaning in what we do, to discover it by living and doing and interacting with objects in skillful ways.

    This becomes a form of prayer and makes the world sacred to us.

    A master of any kind knows the world in a way few do.

    Don’t just deal with this, love it, master this life and what you do.

    We can increase our skill through focus and even more so working with others.

    If you don’t love this, you are in rebellion.

    We are best working with others and focusing ourselves together using each’s unique skills.

    We can choose where we end up, if not where we start.
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    Post by dan Sun Mar 12, 2023 1:24 am

    The jguy is the Katechon/Archon buster.  

    How did he accomplish this?  

    His incarnation was written in the stars ✨….. into the paradigm shift….. gestalt switch.  

    Kant saw part of the Metanarrative …….
    Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the more often and steadily we reflect upon them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Mar 12, 2023 1:34 am

    Personally, I think the Gnostics gave the Archons a bad wrap and overly demonized the rulers of this world that created us.

    Making them stupid and petty and just chaos I think was a bit too far.

    The way we lived before the self emerged was literally ruled by the Archon’s thoughts and influence on us so the Gnostics suggested.

    A very good reference, https://gnosticismexplained.org/the-origins-of-gnosticism/

    https://gnosticismexplained.org/the-reality-of-the-rulers-the-hypostasis-of-the-archons/

    An excellent podcast covering Gnostic criticism.

    https://shwep.net/podcast/the-anonymous-commentary-on-the-parmenides-porphyry-and-the-sethian-gnostics/

    One has to look into Porphyry and Plotinus’ criticism of gnostics and their dismissal of Plato.

    It’s all fascinating stuff.

    Imaginal stuff.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Mar 12, 2023 1:39 am

    dan wrote:The jguy is the Katechon/Archon buster.  

    How did he accomplish this?  

    His incarnation was written in the stars ✨….. into the paradigm shift….. gestalt switch.  



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    Christ.

    Jesus was a vessel, a man.

    Christ possessed him or so the story goes.

    Christ made the way back through the spheres.

    Christ can’t die.

    It’s an Aeon.

    Resurrection and dying for our sins is nonsense.

    Christ allows us to know ourselves and see ourselves and choose.

    Where we were in darkness, Christ gives us the light to see ourselves.


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    Post by dan Sun Mar 12, 2023 1:44 am

    Of course, I agree……. we have the best possible Archons.  

    I used to know one of them….. incorruptible.
    ……….


    Chivo has trouble understanding that the jguy busted into history.

    He planted the Seed that was our get out of jail free card.

    All ye, all ye in free.

    Our game of hide 🙈 and seek is wrapping up.

    Now we will see as face to face.

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